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Nasedo Letter: A Ticket Home
Now that we know Tess had that letter from Nasedo regarding the diamond, does this change any of your theories from S2 about her? If you did have any doubts (like I did), does the Nasedo Letter that they found confirm that she had her own agenda all along for you? You know how we were all wondering WHY Tess was just hanging around with labor pains and sweating and all that jazz while Max was trying to decode the book (which was a futile effort)? Well, could the reason be because she DID have a way home all along? (Meaning she knew where the rebuilt ship was as well as the diamond key). IF SO, then why take so long to implement her plan? WHOA! Did we get an answer from the S3 eps already to one of last seasons questions??? WOW! lol....
B-
I don't think she knew where the ship was...
I think she knew it existed, but she not where it was.
She may also have needed the Granalith... for whatever reason.
I have more but I'll be back.
Greg
Hang on: I don't get it. The letter that Nasedo left to Tess... did it tell her WHAT the diamond was for? For some reason I thought that he said it was a way to "communicate" with their home. Will rewatch tonight to double check.
One thing to consider is that if Tess was planning to use the ship to get home instead of the granolith then that means she isn't behind the decoding of the book (why would she do both). I'm fairly sure that Tess didn't know that the ship still existed. I really should go rewatch busted to do some reasearch.
Tess may have not known what the drawing was of. It took Liz 16 hours researching at the Albuquerque Public Library to discover what the drawing was of and to match it to the Diamond is owned by Delores Browning and is on permanant loan to the Tate Museum in London. It was only their good fortune that the Diamond was going on tour and would be in Santa Fe so they could steal it. As the owner of the diamond/ship's key, how does Delores Browning fit in to it? Is she this mysterious employer of the man who called the cops and threatened Michael. If she knew that the diamond was something more she may have realized that Max had switched the diamonds after the fact. That she knew what the diamond was for that is why she had him stake out the Quick Mart. Since Max and Liz used their own names during the diamond heist that would explain how the man knew to have Michael warn Max off by name.
quote:I agree i think she needed the granalith for some twisted plan with kivar.
Originally posted by greg5 B- I don't think she knew where the ship was... I think she knew it existed, but she not where it was. She may also have needed the Granalith... for whatever reason.
I have more but I'll be back.
Greg
I think Tess needed the granilith too. Remember bringing the granilith was part of the deal that Necedo made with Kivar. I have always thought, with most of the rest of you, that the granilith is a multipurpose machine/energy source/whatever. I think that the granilith is much more important that this "new" spaceship. Is it really their spaceship?
Wow... I knew I could count on you guys! Was getting scared when I waited around for an HOUR and nobody posted on this thread! lol...
I find it odd that the diamond was missing for so long. Why didn't Nasedo have it? I mean, Liz found the key just by spending the night in the library doing some research.
Interesting point: It reinforces the the theory that Tess HAD to have the granilith AND the child to get home. One without the other just wouldn't cut it.
Tess (in the F.Max version) did just "vanish to parts unknown). Could she have perhaps recovered the diamond and took off in the old ship??? HENCE, the reason the enemy was able to come back to earth to defeat the R3? I am drifting...
Anyway....
Good point about the book being decoded and how Tess wouldn't have to worry about recovering that old ship and find the diamond/key since the Destiny Book TOLD them that the granilith was a way home.
We really didn't get to see that darn letter. It would have been more helpful to know exactly what it said. Other than what Max read. There's lost of questions that needs to be answered. How long did she have that letter?? Did she have it after Nasedo's death?? Did he give it to her while he was alive? Something like in event of his death. With that note and the detail of the drawing of the diamond, she had to know what it was for. She could have known where the ship was, but was buying her time before she got the granith. It's something very important. Why else would everyone want it??
The devil in me is making me post this I think the letter was a plant. Put there after Tess left by....Nesedo who is not dead. OK, throw the tomatoes - just give me some salt. AR
AR the problem with that is we saw Nasedo turn to dust in "Ask Not"
LOL, AR! No rotten tomatoes are going to be thrown at you by me for that last post! Remember when Tess was in the jeep with the gang in "White Room" and she said how they had to turn back and go to the pod chamber? How Nasedo said if ANYTHING should happen to him, that she should go back there? Well, the quesiton was, "AND DO WHAT?!?!?". Why would Nasedo want her to go back to the pod chamber if he died? Note that the letter had a tone of "In the event of my death..." to it. If Nasedo had made arrangements for her to find the letter (in the event of his death) and follow the SAME steps that Max & Liz did in order to have transportation home, this would mean he did NOT know about the graniliths location (or else he would have used THAT instead!). Doesn't this mean he did NOT know the location of the granilith? He was expecting TESS to get pregnant and them zip off in the old 47' UFO. Basically the letter revealed the KEY to the old UFO. Why would you need the KEY to the old UFO if you knew where the granilith was and could go home that way??? Hmmmm....
You guys... I have a confession to make. I have a SUPER cheap VCR (since the one I used last season DIED on me...RIP!). When I pause the scenes, I get this white fuzz all over the screen and can't see the picture clearly. This means that I can't freeze frame the scene of Max holding the Nasedo Letter so I can try to read a bit of it! Totally bummed. Hope someone ends up doing that!
Hey B' If Nasedo knew about the Granilith's whereabouts he could have turned it and the unhatched R4 over to Nicholas and gone home years ago.
Alas-
But we also saw him go from being a wall to a person, when he was hiding in the Pod Chamber.
I wonder how much he can alter his shape...
Greg
quote:That would really be a neat trick if he could have pulled it off. Going from Ed Harding shape to campfire leavings.
Originally posted by greg5 Alas- But we also saw him go from being a wall to a person, when he was hiding in the Pod Chamber. I wonder how much he can alter his shape...
Greg
The problem with this is, we'll never know the truth because the writers are suchs whimps!
Nasedo...such a protector of mystery! lol... Because Nasedo drew the picture of the diamond (which is the key to the 47' UFO) and made a point to pass on that info to Tess, is it SAFE to assume that he DID know that the 47'UFO had been reconstructed??? Ed Harding's job was to renovate old military warehouses, right? Is that what he was scouting out while on the job? Interesting! So, he found the reconstructed UFO... but he didn't have the key. Yet, he made a point to leave Tess a letter before he died explaining that the key exsisted.... possilby with hopes of her following through with the Nasedo Pact mission and getting home with the unborn child??? Is that the way of it then? When Tess knew where the granilith was (thanks to Is and her wicker right arm! lol....), she didn't need to go in search of the 47' UFO. Agreed?
Nasedo is a "being" of mystery. He had to know about the ship and the key. Why did he even bother??? Unless he didn't have the granolith and finding the original ship was the first prioty in getting home. When she didn't find the key, then time was running for the agreement. The Granolith must have been the last resort. What about the book's traslation?? Did she have it done?? Or did Alex have it done, and then like someone said he had it sent to Serina, but Liz found it first. They should have Serina come in now. I mean why mention it, if it's not going to happen. F. Max was so sure that she'd be meeting Liz. Whoops, I kinda got off the subject there. LOL! I think that doesn't make any sense. LOL! If anyone wants to take that apart and discuss what I just said go ahead. LOL! I don't know what I was thinking. LOL!
ok I am dumb, I thought that Nasedo told Tess to go back to the chamber to get the stones that would bring him back to life......Am I missing something here..Him altering his self and coming out of walls was another very interesting feature..I still don't believe that Nasedo turned on them...I believe that Kivar got to Tess first and then Nasedo came for her and had protected her ever since. Tess had a very cold side, even coolder than Nasedo...I mean Nasedo was just the protector..A sloppy one if you ask me...But a protector and he did nothing but Watch/Protect the R4..He didn't think! He didn't plan,unless it had something to did with finding, hunting, or protecting the 4..If you think about it that is all he did..He didn't teach them how to use there powers, he didn't tell them about home, he didn't ever let the see his true self...I think Kivar is up to this, and what about the other alien..I think he is alive and is now watching them...Where is Riverdog??sorry I kind of lost track...Tess is bad an I think she was Switched with Ava, she was the bad seed planted by Kivar or the enemy to give them away!!She is the one who made there powers more mature!!She is the main reason so many threatening things happend to them...what do you guys think, Ihave to have atleast one sound opinion!
Bethalani- I checked out the Nasedo letter frame by frame. It is still hard to read but it does mention the Granilith, which indicates that Nasedo at least knew about the Granilith. Serina (Seven of Five)
Serina: Thanks for doing that! lol... I find that freezing the frames and trying to make out the writing gives me a headache...but well worth it if we discover some new info! At the time of Nasedos death, the gang didn't know what or where the granilith was... right? If Nasedo had written that letter for Tess in the event of his death, stressing the part about this diamond key... we can only assume he was giving her the letter so she could get off the planet. Right? Note that in the F.Max timeline, Tess disappears. This means that Tess would have HAD that letter in that time period and perhaps went off on her own hunt for the diamond key. Maybe she got back to Antar via the 47' ship in the F.Max version of things...ultimately leading to the enemy invading earth. Just rambling.... But interesting to note that in the F.Max version of time, Tess would have had that letter telling her about the diamond key and the possiblity of getting off earth...
I hoping the writers are so how working with season two. We maybe making more out of this then it really is, but maybe by chance the writers are giving us what we want. We can dream, can't we. LOL! Anyway, then if this happens to be happening like Future Max said, this could be the lead in for Liz to tell Max about his future self.
Does anyone find it TOO coincidental that Ed Harding restored old storage facilities for the military...
And how the rebuilt 47'UFO just happened to be stored in one of them?
Another question: That facility was sealed up... Max had to blow torch it open to get access. Didn't look like there was any way in or out of it to me.
Anyone know the time frame between Max and Liz discovering the UFO and then the time when Max was able to return to find it missing?
Trying to find out if this is a military kind of situation.... or if there is alien activity surrounding the ship. It couldn't have been disassembled so fast... It couldn't have been flown out of there, since they don't have the key....
Just suspicious! Do you guys have a feeling that we have another "alien" in our midsts?
b'-good thread! i luv these theories! it brings back memories of my first few weeks on blu before i hit a dry spell but anyway...i hadn't remembered about him working with army storage facilities...but that good be something significant...is it possible that he had been working on the ship? it seems likely that he had some contact with it...and if he did, thats means that he would know whether or not it actually worked, and we can assume that it did, or could, because why else would he tell tess about it? and why else would max go in search of it? although max didn't bring up the letter at all when michael and isabel called it a lemon...so maybe the letter didn't specify about whether or not it worked. but what i would like to know, is what is the dupe's involvement in all of this. did they know about the other ship? my guess is that they didn't because they and nicholas wanted the granolith badly, we can assume that they thought that that was their only way to get home. all of this seems really unclear to me, but i think it is something that the writers definatly need to address in future eps...
I don't want to say too much here because I'm a bit spoiled I do have one idea...as far as Nesado planting the paper after Tess was long gone. It is possible. Think Mindwarp If tess can mindwarp then couldn't it be possible that Nesado could do it too? (but if so why didn't he do it in Destiny?) Anyway, maybe Nesado (or Tess) made the podsters think that he died when really he is still around in the form of someone or something else...so then why would he plant the info about the diamond and not let the remaining podsters know that he is still alive? hummm....ok so maybe it isn't Nesado, maybe it is someone/something else...wow this gets complicated very easily.
Whoa! Some of you are SPOILED already? How? From where? Who are your sources and what are the sites??? lol... I am totally unspoiled thinking that it was too soon in the season to find any good ones! Link me up, Scotty! Lol... UD: yup... I feel the juices flowing. This was my very first THEORY sparking thread that I made! HOORAY! lol.... (((sigh))). Does bring back the memories, eh? Love it! Mel: Nasedo still lives? I have heard theories on Blu about it, but didn't think it possible! Ok... The final words of Nasedo told her that HE was her ONLY protector and that in the event something happened, the only way to communicate with their home was through this diamond. Yet, he didn't have the diamond. It was lost. So, he made a crude pencil drawing of what she was to be looking for. So, do we assume he has been searching for the diamond all that time? Yet, Liz could find it by spending ONE night at the library? I don't think so. Here I go: DO YOU THINK IT WAS A PLANT? Do you think that it was a safety net created by Tess so that in the event things didn't work out, she had made sure that Max had a way home? That whole Nasedo Pact... 47'UFO.... diamond key.... Nasedo Letter.... driving me nuts! lol...
okay...heres whats bugging me...i brought this up in an earlier thread, but no one really had an anser... nasedo says that it is the only way to communicate, but it was clear that max planned to use it as a way home...nothing made me think that it was gonna help him communicate with antar or his son...so was he just using it incorrectly? or can it be used for something other than the ship?
quote:I didn't get that either UD! The letter said that it was to COMMUNICATE... yet Max all of a sudden put together that it was the key to the 47'UFO and started hunting down military places that would house a UFO!! Anyone have any ideas how Max made that connection?
Originally posted by ultimatedreamer nasedo says that it is the only way to communicate, but it was clear that max planned to use it as a way home...nothing made me think that it was gonna help him communicate with antar or his son...so was he just using it incorrectly? or can it be used for something other than the ship?
quote:He got a flash from the letter? or the diamond?
Originally posted by bethalani I didn't get that either UD! The letter said that it was to COMMUNICATE... yet Max all of a sudden put together that it was the key to the 47'UFO and started hunting down military places that would house a UFO!! Anyone have any ideas how Max made that connection?
Clearly it's the key, but the key for what?? Did Max know this? Did Alex know this?? So many unanswered questions that need to be delt with!
well, think of our spaceships we send out into the universe. Everyone is familiar with the phrase "Huston, we have a problem" because the ship while out in space communicates to the people back on Earth what is going on. So in that way there must be some kind of communication system on the ship that Max was looking for. If he could get the communications system up and running again then could he "phone home" ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ spoilers: As far as spoilers go I didn't or won't post any on anywhere but on the spoiler board so any theory ideas that I post here are not from the spoiler board. Bethalani, My favorite source for spoilers is right here on blu. Mia has an amazing thread on the board that she regualaraly updates with any new info she has. If you want to be spoiled that is a good place to check out some info. She has it all organized and easy to find. There is info up to episode 8 already. Warning once you go there it is hard to not read everything.
I wonder who would be waiting at the other end of the communications thing???
this is great i'm not going to post cause i'm spoiled up to ep 4 and tid bits into 6 ... and i don't want to accidently say anything ... but great theories guys !!!
To spoil or not to spoil... that is the question! lol... Haven't been spoiled yet, but as we get into the swing of things I will probably wander over to the spoiler board...lol. Feeling itchy right now, actually after Gins post! Whheeee! lol...
haven't read the whole post yet..... but if Tess was mindwarping Alex to decode the book, and he was successful, then wouldn't Tess have known about it through the mindwarp?
We did get to see Alex reading the Destiny book to Tess in the flash that Kyle had. So there is no doubt that she knew that the granilith was a transport to Antar, either by that instance or through her warping Alex. Getting rusty here... the Nasedo Pact (according to Tess) stated that she was to deliver the three podsters to Kivar and the child. Did she mention the granilith??? Mel: thanks for the info! Been there, done that! lol... Also checked out Fan Forum and RAMS. Cha-ching!
Bethalani (so glad you're back!), the time between the ship being there and not was probably a matter of days. It could not have been thet long. Everyone was there, and they would not have all been able to stay for too long. The crystal as a communication thing kind of got us hung up too. Not sure yet what to make of it. Granilith and spaceship as ways to depart did not seem to figure into the communication sound of Nasedo's letter. Remember, nothing is as it seems in Roswell-land. Serina (Seven of Five)
see I saw the letter as a good sign...like a clue to what they are going to do with the season..si-fi ways
Sparky (who has been exiled from his computer by Queen) has this interesting observation:
If the ship is composed of the same bendable metal that was in `47, then presumably, the ship could have been...
well squarshed down into a box and carted away.
No! Sparky and I are serious!
It would have been a heavy box, yes-but that would explain how the ship could have gotten out of the hangar.
Of course, it also begs the question then, how did they put it back together in the first place if it was made of this miracle metal. Which actually brings up back to B's observation that if Nasedo had a hand (or tenticle) in this, he could have been the key to the humans (FBI) figuring out how to manipulate the metal.
Greg & and the soon-to-be iconned Sparky
Sparky gets a biscuit. Pure genius! lol... That is a totally possible idea. The "Liquid Metal Theory" has been born! lol... It is certainly something to build on at least. That ship was of mondo proportions. Just didn't make sense that it would be able to get out of the building in one piece. AND... it does seem to be a functioning ship, as the door was still able to operate via the key. So, this means whoever put it back together, knew what they were doing. Whhheeee heeeee! lol...
quote:Hmm the ship is starting to sound like the Space Bags sold on informercials
Originally posted by greg5 If the ship is composed of the same bendable metal that was in `47, then presumably, the ship could have been... well squarshed down into a box and carted away. No! Sparky and I are serious! It would have been a heavy box, yes-but that would explain how the ship could have gotten out of the hangar.
Greg & and the soon-to-be iconned Sparky
LOL, Alas... They probably are selling it on Ebay already. Heck, they already sell the zip lock bags of dirt from the Roswell crash site on there. Unbelieveable! Lol... Max: It was buried among tess' things. It's a letter Nasedo wrote to her before he died. It says, "I am your one and only protector on this planet. "I'll protect you until the end. "If I ever die, this is our only way to communicate with our home." What might be interesting to note isn't so much as what Nasedo's last words were, but what they weren't. Meaning, because he wasn't telling her where the key was, and how to get it... or about the reconstructed 47'UFO, it must mean he didn't know about it. Right? He probably thought the diamond key was lost in the crash. At the time of his death, we didn't know the location of the granilith. If he left that note for her in the event of his death and there was no mention of the granilith, doesn't this mean he DIDN'T know where it was??? Help!
Another thing (sorry so full of questions): When do you think Tess GOT this "Nasedo Letter"? And how did she find it? Nasedo died suddenly. Out of all the places that he could have gone in those last few moments of his life, he stumbled to Max's window to give him the warning. Not Tess. Yet, he DID have a letter for her in the event of his death. Perhaps this letter was written BEFORE Nasedo found Max and co. and he didn't update it?
Well the logical time for Nasedo to write the letter to Tess was when he was in Washington shutting down the Special Unit. That is the only time of that we know of that he and Tess were apart. He must have though that he was in danger of discovery being so close to all the other agents. Some of them I am sure were aware of the hunt for a shapechanging alien. If any of them suspected "Pierce" was not right that could have easily lead to Nasedo's demise. Though that the letter was addressed to Tess was interesting. We are all assuming that is because the Nasedo pact is true. When Valenti did a background check of Ed Harding it said his last address was in Virginia Beach, Va. Tess's last school transcripts were from Chicago. What if Tess was in some sort of boarding school and was otherwise on her own while Nasedo was in VA as Harding. He could have written the letter then and that would explain why it was addressed to her and not the rest of the R4. Though the flaw in that is that Tess said that Nasedo had never left her alone before.
I agree, Alas. We know that Nasedo feared Pierce. We know that Nasedo was upset that she brought the gang to the pod chamber. So, I am thinking that he would have written it BEFORE he knew Max, Is and Mike (as it was to only Tess and it did not mention the granilith or any other info that Nasedo should have been privy to if he were a bad guy). I am finding LOTS of holes with the Nasedo Pact. Seems like Nasedo was innocent in all of this, since he didn't KNOW enough to be guilty. Where does that leave us? Well, actually it puts us back to square one with the question, "What made Tess turn evil?". MITC. That's all I can come up with. They messed with Tess when she was alone. I mean, what other option is there? And she used the Nasedo Pact excuse to COVER UP the true identity of the evil one that was behind all of this. Ok... 40 min before SNL...lol.
Another interesting question might be whether or not Tess had known the letter was there.
When Max said he was rummaging through Tess' stuff, maybe he found something that Tess didn't even know she had.
Then again... the Skins set up the whole news report thing to lure the aliens to Copper Summit. Maybe this was a set-up too (probably place for Tess to find-assuming she didn't know it was there).
One reason Nasedo might not have mentioned the Granalith in the letter was in case it fell into enemy hands. That is if he knew where it was.
And surprisingly, I disagree Alas... the most logical time for Nasedo to have written that letter would have been before he and Tess had come to Roswell. In fact the letter may have been outdated material that Nasedo thought was too difficult or dangerous to obtain (because he didn't have Liz to help him). Regardless, I think had the letter been written after they got to Roswell, it would have gone to Max.
Greg
Tess, Nasedo, Kivar? Whose the bad guy here!
Okay the whole when did Tess go evil is a whole `nother question!
First... I present to you:
What if Tess wasn't involved in the S1 alien attraction weirdness that was going on between her and Max.
I mean she was involved, but what if she wasn't the one sending dreams and warps. What if that was Nasedo. Which makes sense if Nasedo is trying to get the two of them together. He would have built up in Tess' mind anyway that he was the one and then done his best to make sure that nature took it's course. Now as difficult as that may seem, it is a lot easier for me to believe that Nasedo could be behind the warps, etc. than Tess (who often seemed surprised and never seemed strained when these things were happening: T,L,V & Four Square).
Now this also goes along with the idea that it is one of Nasedo's goals (either for Kivar or as a Protector) to get Tess and Max together.
The Nasedo Pact
I have two thoughts on the Nasedo Pact.
First-it was all whooey and Tess made it up to cover he behind. The whole plan (warp Alex, etc.) came about from her and not Ed (because it wasn't really a good plan) and she started it sometime after Harvest.
Second-I'm not sure that Nasedo ever planned on actually carrying out the pact. In fact since he was afraid of, and eventually killed by the Skins, he may actually have already voided the pact. Now it's possible, because Ed and Tess didn't seem like they were very communicative that he'd told Tess about the plan years and years ago and he had never mentioned that it was ka-blooey... or that he wasn't going to betray his king.
He also may have decided not to go through with the pact, once he actually saw Max and the Pod Squad.
Pact Timing
What Nasedo knew when the pact was made and what he knew when he died are probably two completely different things. In fact what Nasedo showed us and what he knew are probably vastly different.
What did Nasedo know about?
Well that depends... if Nasedo was the lone shapeshifter that escaped in 47 with the pods, then he almost certainly knew where the Granalith was-since he put a set in front of the G-chamber.
But if the Big G is as coveted as it sounds, the last thing he's going to do is give that or the location of that away. Except maybe to Max.
And isn't the granalith on the cave map that Nasedo drew? Or is it just marking the Pod Chamber... and if it's just marking the chamber... I think it would be marking both.
He knew about the diamond. That much we know.
If he knew about the ship, he knew it was in custody. Who in their right mind would try to get an alien spaceship away from... uh, never mind.
What really gets me is the Granalith crystal. If Ed had it, why not give it to Max? Was he not ready to trust Max with it-because he thought Max wasn't ready? Did he not have it?
Maybe, whoever had it approached Tess and introduced her to the Nasedo pact (real or not). This would have had to happen between Skin and Bones and MITC (when we last see Alex before his trip). During this time we meet the Skins and the Dupes. What happened to the dupes again?...
That's all I have for now.
Greg
Here is another point for the collective ponder. Who was Nasedo? We know he was on the ship that brought the R4 and dupes to Earth. But we don't know what his position was on the ship. Was he an officer, a guardian of the R4 or Dupes, a medical officer to over see the pod's development, or could he be just a red shirted crewman, ala the orignial Star Trek who happened to survive the crash. Did he become the R4 defacto protector just because he survived the crash?
I think those are great theories. Need time to think about those.
quote:Greg you were about to say something, what was it?
Who in their right mind would try to get an alien spaceship away from... uh, never mind.
The Granilith Key!
Is it safe to say that Nasedo did NOT have the granilith key? He created his last will and testament without mentioning the key or the granilith. All he left Tess was info on the diamond. NOTE that the Nasedo Pact is quoted by Tess as being the following: To return home with your child, and deliver the three of you to Kivar. NOTHING is mentioned about the granilith in the Nasedo Pact. Yet, I find it hard to believe that Tess (who would warp Alex to decode the destiny book and go to ALL that trouble) would not spend the night at the library investigating the Diamond Key (like Super Liz did) to discover they had the 47UFO ready to roll. Something is fishy. My brain is fried on this one! lol... Tess never knew what the granilith was until she decoded the book. But even then, she emailed it to the enemy who had the key. When Alex came to her the night he died, what if that had been the FIRST time that she heard the actual destiny translation? (since he had Alex on "auto-warp" to immediately email the results to J.Coleman???).
BETHALANI IS THAT YOU??? SPeak to me!!!!!!!
HEY ----! lol... Yup. Still here. Just coasting along and trying to get out of the habit of talking to myself in my own threads...lol.
B
Thanks for posting the quote defining the pact.
Maybe Tess didn't know what the Granalith did and the key was just a coincidence... (I hate coincidences).
Could Tess have actually planned to go looking for the ship and the diamond? Or did she already know where those were and figured they would collect the diamond on the way out of Roswell (finally! She exclaims) on their way to the ship?
Did her preggerness actually force her hand and screw up her plan-which then got bailed out by the Granalith?
Re: Tess' investigation skills
With all aplogies to fans of Tess (FoTs in Special Unit Speak), I just don't think Tess had all that much going on upstairs.
She had some smarts but she probably didn't have Liz's years of training (c'mon I'm serious-she's a science student, research is what you do...) or the "where to start" know-how that we all probably take for granted.
Take her plan (of what we can see of it anyway) for example. I think she had a lot going on, but none of it was really well thought out. It may have even been reminants of plans that Nasedo had started that she picked up and ran with.
Be back. Have to post #57.
Greg
I agree Greg, After I read through all the posts and started trying to put all this together I came up with the conclusion that Tess didn't have all that much "upstairs" eiether. She clearly didn't think things through before she started on her warping and killing spree. When did Tess turn evil? I can hardly bring myself to say this, but maybe she wasn't evil. Maybe she was just being pulled in so many directions that she didn't know who to believe or what to do. Her actions are completly contradictory, as if she changed her mind several times about what she was going to do. Even after MITC she still kept up her friendly banter with Kyle and never flinched. Did she really plan ahead the events that unfolded last season? I don't think so. or did she just fool me too? Perhaps Nesado drilled into her that she had to be with Max, she tried and was still thinking it might work, Max did leave Roswell with her clinging to his arm to go to NY to see about "going home" Well, clearly the Dupes plus Nicholas did something (??) to her. Maybe that changed her plan slightly somehow. It is just shortly after that when she started to warp Alex. If she had planned to do that then why hadden't she started on it already? ... ...oops, I thought I had a point here, sorry for my rambeling...hummmm...this is way too complex. OH, ok so what I was trying to find a way to get to is that maybe she decide not to go through with the "pact" afterall...but then after her night out with Max she changed her mind again. Remember the strange way she looked in the mirror the next morning and said "oh" Maybe she realized then that she was on her way to fulfilling the pact afterall. hummm....
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Originally posted by Melandra I agree Greg, After I read through all the posts and started trying to put all this together I came up with the conclusion that Tess didn't have all that much "upstairs" eiether. She clearly didn't think things through before she started on her warping and killing spree. When did Tess turn evil? I can hardly bring myself to say this, but maybe she wasn't evil. Maybe she was just being pulled in so many directions that she didn't know who to believe or what to do. Her actions are completly contradictory, as if she changed her mind several times about what she was going to do. Even after MITC she still kept up her friendly banter with Kyle and never flinched. Did she really plan ahead the events that unfolded last season? I don't think so. or did she just fool me too? Perhaps Nesado drilled into her that she had to be with Max, she tried and was still thinking it might work, Max did leave Roswell with her clinging to his arm to go to NY to see about "going home" Well, clearly the Dupes plus Nicholas did something (??) to her. Maybe that changed her plan slightly somehow. It is just shortly after that when she started to warp Alex. If she had planned to do that then why hadden't she started on it already? ... ...oops, I thought I had a point here, sorry for my rambeling...hummmm...this is way too complex. OH, ok so what I was trying to find a way to get to is that maybe she decide not to go through with the "pact" afterall...but then after her night out with Max she changed her mind again. Remember the strange way she looked in the mirror the next morning and said "oh" Maybe she realized then that she was on her way to fulfilling the pact afterall. hummm....
Lol, Greg..."preggerness ". I don't see how the Nasedo Pact could be true. Do you think because Tess had that letter and didn't use it to find the diamond key and the 47UFO, that it meant she had already FOUND a way home (via the enemy when she cut a deal with them)? Don't you think that that would be the reason behind not investigation the diamond crystal that Nasedo tried to tell her about? But yet, this doesn't quite fit. I know that there is a good theory in here somewhere! lol... Especially since we know that the granilith was NOT the only means of transportation on this planet. QUESTION: I know we all think that the FBI dudes are trying to hide the fact that they reconstructed the 47UFO. But that doesn't make sense! We know that the Skins and Nasedo all were deep within the FBI and had access to that info. Help!
quote:B- That's not a question! Even so, I think my answer is-Yes, the FBI was trying to hide the re-constructed UFO. 1. I'm pretty sure it wasn't widely know in bureau how compromised they were 2. I think they were trying the hide the re-constructed UFO from... well, if from no one else-us and our kind. So, I do think they were defintely hiding the ship. The more I thinki about, the more I'm convinced that Tess had no idea (or lacked the resources) to launch an investigation. If all she had was that letter, it would have been really hard for her to track down the diamond. Literally, all she had was a drawing and some loose references-like I mentioned earlier for super-sleuth Enyclopedia Parker (or Serina for that matter) it might not be so difficult. But I'm not even sure Tess would know what to look for in the Library (I'm pretty sure I couldn't find the info on the diamond with what little she had). So my Tess: Diamond v. Granalith theory: At the time Nasedo shook this mortal coil, Tess had the letter and the description, but it was like giving my dog a can of food without opening it (sorry about the comparison Banjo). Tess had left overs from whatever plans Nasedo had shared with her before they got to Roswell (because it didn't look like he was sharing that much with her while they were there). Or she had access to some sparse files. Regardless, from this info, she formulated her plan: 1. She knew where the Granalith was. 2. She knew where the key was (assumption). 3. She had the book but needed to have it translated. 4. Her deal didn't include transportation home-but may have been part of a conspiracy to get the book translated. 5. While she knew about the diamond, it was say a needle in a proverbial haystack. The ship was in the same boat (so to speak). Tess' options left her with using the Granalith to get home, but she had to bring either Max or an heir to guarantee their safety. The enemy/co-conspirators were not in a position to offer transportation in return for her cooperation or she turned it down. The enemy probably doesn't know where the Granalith is-another testament to Tess probably not completely betraying the crew. If the enemy did know, there probably would have been a team waiting for our heroes when they were about to take off. Tess may have gotten help getting the book translated, but for all we know whoever Jennifer Coleman had set up in that house was a Skin who didn't make it through Wipe Out. In fact, the key could have been their part of the deal-period. Think about that-without the key, the book and the Granalith are useless. Okay. That's all for now. Baseball is getting too distracting to theorize...
Originally posted by bethalani QUESTION: I know we all think that the FBI dudes are trying to hide the fact that they reconstructed the 47UFO. But that doesn't make sense! We know that the Skins and Nasedo all were deep within the FBI and had access to that info. Help!
I'm beginning to wonder if the writers are trying to get away from the Nasedo pact and go with the Tess is evil card. I don't think that she was evil persay, she did kill Alex. We don't know is if she was even warp by someone else. She was to close to making home with the Valenti's to screw that up. Something is very fishy in Roswell! I think it might have to do with Jesse. It's my opinion not spoiler. Anyway, why would Jesse show up out of the blue so soon after Tess leaves?? Got any theories on this, or this another coincidence?
Well... are we sure Jesse just showed up? Was he with Mr. Evans' firm before or is he new to Roswell. I'd have to check...
One reason Iz may have let someone (Jesse) get close enough to date (after 2 years of not dating) was the aliens decision to stay on Earth.
On the other hand, I think he's really Nasedo's younger cousin, sent by Kivar to infiltrate the FBI, who then weaseled his way into the Special Unit and got assigned to Roswell.
But in his defense, who could resist:
Here's to hoping Jesse goes the Way of Sean... and soon...
Greg
hehe I figured out how to post pictures...
Tess had the Nasedo Letter and didn't share it with anyone. Most importantly, she didn't share it with anyone during the Hybrid Chronicles when Larek was telling them that they all needed to get off the planet. She didn't share it with anyone when Skins were beating them up (Surprise, Harvest). She didn't share it with them when Hybrids and a few humans were the ONLY ones left on earth (along with enemy skins in Wipe Out). Choice ops for leaving earth, yet she never let anyone know that she had a way to communicate with their home world. Even if she didn't know the diamond was a key to the 47UFO, she KNEW it was a way to communicate with their home planet... yet, even during a time when their lives were in danger from gandarium, she failed to mention the possibility of communciation between earth and Antar. They had to use Larek as a communication device...lol. This would mean she already had a plan. YET, I don't believe it was the Nasedo Pact. Doesn't this show that from the moment (or even before) Nasedo died, that she had her own plans? (Be back to check on ya! Gotta get some work done! Lol....)
She knew all aboutthe ship you see she couldn't be sure that Alex would be able to decode the book so she had a back up plan and maybe she was working with other Aliens and they were going to follow in the ship.
Well, the letter stated that this diamond was a way to communicate with Antar. If Tess had this letter as far back as "Ask Not" when Nasedo died, then apparently Tess did NOT want the gang to communicate with Antar. Even when the R4 were in dire need of contacting Larek when gandarium hit, she didn't offer the letter up. Interesting....So, why would Tess care if the R3 talked to anyone on Antar??? Long story short? By Tess NOT investigating this diamond key thing that Nasedo was trying to give her the heads up on, it means: 1. She didn't have any desire to dial up Antar. 2. She didn't have any desire to let the R3 dial up Antar. What's she hiding?
Maybe plans had changed between the time the letter was written and Nasedo's death.
Perhaps the letter was written with the intent that the communication (using the diamond) would go back to Kivar... which is also why Nasedo phrases his statement about being her only protector as well-because he was the only one who could protect her in the situation he'd put her in. In which case Kivar may not have any interest in saving or helping them.
Or the the letter was given to Tess with the idea that the other R3 would have something to do with his death-prior to coming to Roswell. Since they did not the letter may have directed communication to someone that the R3 would not receive or be received well by (presumably Kivar).
Perhaps the letter was written with the intent that the communication (using the diamond) would go back to the rebels... in which case, Nasedo may have told Tess about the plan (or parts of the pact) and thus made contacting Mom and her folk detrimental to the overall scheme of actually getting home (since there was no telling whether or not the rebels could have gotten them home yet). Tess may have been told subsequently to the letter being written that contacting the family might endanger both their pact and safety (with the Skins around).
Perhaps monkeys might fly out my butt.
Greg
My last post reminded me of something B had mentioned last week...
Maybe the ship in the Quick-E-Mart (in Aisle 9, next to the paper towels and motor oil) was from the Skin's arrival and not the crash... ? Whose to say that landed in one piece?
If that were the case perhaps that increases the likelyhood that the crystal contacted the Skins... who by the time bad things started happening, were already known or thought to be responsible for Nasedo's death.
Hello... Mr. Axe Murderer, can you come save me... there's someone trying to posison me... Okay... I'm sick... you have to forgive me if I've become completely silly.
Greg
quote:Well, didn't Serina post lasts years vacation photos of that VERY thing happening to you, Greg? So anything is now possible! Lol... Thanks for remembering the thought about the Skins UFO from 1950! I mean, Nicholas and Co. were SO gung-ho about going home, don't you think they would have a least thought about putting back together the old 1950 UFO? Just an idea... Keep thinking! Lol...
Originally posted by greg5 Perhaps monkeys might fly out my butt.
I've got an idea that may or not reflect the current theories. What if Tess found or knew she wasn't apart of the R4, but the defective one. Going along with Bethalani's theory, that could be why she didn't want to contact home. Maybe there would some type of scanning device that checks for the Royal Seal. I know it's a bit far fetched, but how do we know if she knew who she really was???
quote:EXACTLY ROSWELLFAN2! YES! During the summer, we tried to work with that very same theory! I like that one! It seems to fit! I mean, it is the answer to many a plot hole... Lonnies words to Ava are ringing in my ears right now: "Why are you here? Living, breathing in this car? Because I love you... that's why". Could there have been MORE meaning to that statement than we first thought??? If Lonnie had revealed to Tess what she knew about the whole Queen situation (when alone with her in MITC), then Tess would have acted on that... by trying to Max off the planet and having the heir to the throne ASAP! Just an idea!
Originally posted by Roswellfan2 I've got an idea that may or not reflect the current theories. What if Tess found or knew she wasn't apart of the R4, but the defective one. Going along with Bethalani's theory, that could be why she didn't want to contact home. Maybe there would some type of scanning device that checks for the Royal Seal. I know it's a bit far fetched, but how do we know if she knew who she really was???
Maybe, we are looking at this wrong. Maybe, it isn't the original ship. Here's what I think. I've always suspected that Nasedo did not spend all his time on Earth. There are huge blocks of missing time. But, conveniently, we do have a UFO sighting from Into the Woods and that's when Nasedo and Tess appears. What if the ship isn't the original ship? What if this is another ship? What if this is the ship from 1999 and Into the Woods? Here's my thinking. The Skins have been watching for the Royal Four unsuccessfully for some 50 years, then all of a sudden, Michael sends a message, and there's a UFO sighting -- not an alien sighting, a UFO sighting. We learn that from both Milton and Riverdog (plus various other witnesses). So we know it's a ship. On that ship are Nasedo AND Tess. Why? First, the paperwork and the stories on Nasedo and Tess' undercover don't match. Tess is supposedly going to school in Chicao, by Nasedo (as Ed Harding) comes to Roswell via Birmingham, AL and Richmond, VA. But Tess tells us that she was with Nasedo the entire time, that he never left her alone until The White Room. She also tells him not to do it again. Tess also had memories of Antar. Well, could it be that Tess' memories are based on the fact that she actually spent time on Antar and that's why she wanted to go back? Because, for Tess, Antar really was home? So let's say that Nasedo and Tess come to Earth, not via Chicago or Birmingham, but by way of Antar ... on the ship which arrived in 1999. They are dropped off in Roswell and the ship is stashed at the underground facility in Utah. This now implicates the FBI and government, that someone, an alien is working with the government. Nasedo and the Skins? Is this part of the Nasedo pact? The diamond is put in trust with Delores Browning. It's put in a location which is retreivable and irretreivable. Irretreivable by the pod squad in Tate Gallery in London, but not irretreivable to the jet-setting, wealth Delores Browning. When the plan to get Max back to Antar fails, this ship becomes Plan B. The letter is a plant , not written by Nasedo, but by Tess, as bait for Max. Could it work? Haven't had time to really work this out, but is it possible?
Good theory Momo. Can't wait to read more! Behtalani you could have something there. I mean that would explain alot of plot holes!
Disciple of Momo. That's me. Should I shave my head now or later?? lol... Missed you lots! Can't wait to hound you ALL season and pick your brain! lol.... Ok... now that I have scared you into probably changing your screen-name, gotta say your theory ROCKED! lol... Didn't put that one together about the possibility of there being yet ANOTHER ship to consider. Need to digest all that... But to the following:
quote:Totally possible. The planted letter would have been insurance for Tess that Max would follow her and the child to Antar. Tess probably figured that Max would do EXACTLY what he did in Busted and take the attitude that "I am stuck on earth, so why not just be happy with Liz and finally live happily ever after with her". ((((I mean, the dude didn't even try to contact Larek through Brody. There WERE still options)))). But then all of a sudden... The convenient "Daddy! I am in danger! Help!" message from his son. Man, the timing was so perfect, it reminded me of Tess's labor pains! Keep going with that theory Momo!
Originally posted by Momo It's (the diamond) put in a location which is retreivable and irretreivable. When the plan to get Max back to Antar fails, this ship becomes Plan B. The letter is a plant , not written by Nasedo, but by Tess, as bait for Max. Could it work? Haven't had time to really work this out, but is it possible?
I'm not sure how this plays into everything, but I noticed something the other day. I was watching some old season two episodes. At the end of "surprise" Iz finds the granolith and at the beginning of "summer of '47" she takes the pod squad to go see it. When they are looking at it Michael asks Tess, "did nesado mention a rock collection?" she does not answer, she kinda looks away and changes the subject mumbling some lame thing "I wonder if it can hear us" Also, in "TEOTW" she says to kyle, "They didn't even know where the pod chamber was until I got here" I think she knew exactly where the granolith was and never bothered to tell the group about it.
why? The pact was to get pregnant with Max's son and go back to antar...well what if she tells them they can go home whenever they figure out how to work the thing and they decide to go before she does the deed with max, then she is screwed. So she waits to tell them about it until she can get close to Max. oops, Isabelle found it first because Whitaker asked her about it. That put a wrench in Tess's plan. But, they still didn't know how to use it. It is in that EXACT SAME EPISODE where FMax comes back and tells Liz that Max has to be with Tess. (this may support the future tess theories) Why exactly then is it that FMax comes back with that message and not another message like "don't let tess leave roswell cause you all gotta be here" according to the other things FMax said that would have worked just as well if the ultimate goal was to prevent the end of the world...
So tess decides to get close to Max before she tells them about the granolith, but Iz finds it first. This hightens her timeline of when she needs to get pregnant. She needs to get pregnant BEFORE they figure out what the granolith can do and BEFORE they decide to go home for another reason.
Challenge one, figure out HOW the thing works before the others do. Challenge two, get pregnant. Challenge three, make the others want to go back to Antar with her.
Answer one, warp Alex to decode it for her. Answer two, push people away from max and move in on him fast, use fake memories and mind nudges if she has to. Answer three, "oh no, max the baby can't breathe in this atmospher, we have to go home right away"
I'm still trying to digest if this alleged "pact" is even real or if she just made it up on the spot to save her own ass. But at the same time, why would she say that and not something else, if it wasn't true.
ok, back to the original reason for this thread, the nesado letter. So she has this letter that tells her there is a ship somewhere and a key that looks like a diamont somewhere and if she found them both she could communicate whith someone back on Antar. Well if she has the granolith and knows it can take her home (once she finds out how to use it) why would she bother lookign for plan B at all. Let's say she didn't have the granolith key. Well she was at least halfway there, whereas with the ship she had nothing. Why bother. I totally agree with bethalani here:
quote:So eiether A. she just didn't need it or B. she left the note about it with her "stuff" so that Max would find it if he ended up not going with her. She did give him the chance to not go, maybe she also left him the chance to go afterall. Tess seamed so fickle maybe she assumed Max would be too.
Totally possible. The planted letter would have been insurance for Tess that Max would follow her and the child to Antar. Tess probably figured that Max would do EXACTLY what he did in Busted and take the attitude that "I am stuck on earth, so why not just be happy with Liz and finally live happily ever after with her". ((((I mean, the dude didn't even try to contact Larek through Brody. There WERE still options)))). But then all of a sudden... The convenient "Daddy! I am in danger! Help!" message from his son. Man, the timing was so perfect, it reminded me of Tess's labor pains!
Go Mel! You are on roll! Don't you just love it when you start replying to your own posts! Such a rush! BTW: love the sig! Major Anne fan here too! Nothing to add here... just in awe of all the fab ideas running around on the board! lol... Question: If the Into The Woods sighting was Nasedo in a ship arriving on earth for the first time, then how does it explain the stuff about him being captured at Eagle Rock ?(we know it was him because he knew the inside of the base intimately and admitted to escaping it once already). Trying to work out the Momo theory.
I mean there is a way to check the handwriting. There's the imfamous I love Max thing that she wrote on the paper, and the letter. If anyway can check that on zoom, you might be able to tell if she write the letter herself.
well one question there is that pierce never says anything about having captured nesado (and tess) recently....there was a theory some time ago that tess spent time at Eagle Rock as a kid, do you remember that one? What if...Nesado and Tess were on Earth, Nesado was captured and escaped, Found Tess alone in the pod chamber and decided to take special care of her because the others had left her alone. At some point they went back to Antar using a ship Nesado had stashed somewhere (maybe he didn't have granolith key) Antar is at war, Khivar wants to kill Tess (and Nesado for bringing her back) so Nesado makes a deal with Khivar. He tells them Go back to Earth, If you come back with the heir to the throne and turn him over to me I will let you live on Antar so, Tess really does have memories of being on Antar. The UFO sighting was Nesado and Tess coming back to Earth. They stayed in hiding for a while to scope out the hybrids and make a plan. They establish a cover story and Tess decides her way in will be to introduce herself to Isabelle at school. (they had an awful lot of pictures of Max and company in that box, like they had been watching them for a couple of months) This might also explain why Tess had advanced her powers beyond what the others seamed to be able to do. Not only had she spent time with Nesado who could have taught her, she also spent time on Antar and knows what she is capable of.(because she would have seen antarian's using their powers) The others don't really know what they could do if they tried so they haven't had the chance to let their powers grow much. (except that Tess was surprised when she found out about Iz's dreamwalking ability)
quote:Unless the Skins lost track of it too. Even having infiltrated the government they may not have been able to get to it. It's even possible that the ship was moved around periodically to keep just that from happening. Maybe that was why the ship was so easy to move. We assumed it was some big task, what if they did it periodically anyway and had regular schedule protocols for relocating the UFO. That's not to say that they were planning on moving it then... but this would at least explain how it was moved so efficiently.
Originally posted by bethalani Thanks for remembering the thought about the Skins UFO from 1950! I mean, Nicholas and Co. were SO gung-ho about going home, don't you think they would have a least thought about putting back together the old 1950 UFO? Just an idea... Keep thinking! Lol...
quote:Hmm... Tess doesn't claim to have memories until after she encounters the Dupes. Prior to that she denies it. We don't actually buy that she really had memories. Do you think then that Nasedo was on Earth and made the deal with the Skins and then went back to Antar? Or was on Antar when the Nasedo Pact was made? I don't think the diamond went Delores with any intent of safekeeping. Although perhaps the diamond has something to do with why Atherton was killed. Is it possible that Atherton was entrusted with more than the pendant and something fell out of his hands? Speaking of UFOs.. there still the alien sighting in 1958 (Milton). Could this be the ship (if there was a ship) that brought this alien to Earth? Goverment ties. I think we have to assume some connection between Nasedo and the government anyway-whether it's a skin established link or something he brought about himself. After all, the army moved him in. And he knew his way around the White Room base (whether or not he'd been there as a "guest" or a "prisoner" is up for grabs). I'd have to think about Tess coming from Antar a little bit more. I think if that were the case she would have been much better prepared. I stand by the idea that Tess' plans failed mostly because she was all over the place and didn't have a clear agenda that she had control over. She had left too many loose ends that needed to be swooped together to make it all work.
Originally posted by Momo Maybe, we are looking at this wrong. Maybe, it isn't the original ship. Here's what I think. I've always suspected that Nasedo did not spend all his time on Earth. There are huge blocks of missing time. But, conveniently, we do have a UFO sighting from Into the Woods and that's when Nasedo and Tess appears. What if the ship isn't the original ship? What if this is another ship? What if this is the ship from 1999 and Into the Woods? Here's my thinking. The Skins have been watching for the Royal Four unsuccessfully for some 50 years, then all of a sudden, Michael sends a message, and there's a UFO sighting -- not an alien sighting, a UFO sighting. We learn that from both Milton and Riverdog (plus various other witnesses). So we know it's a ship. On that ship are Nasedo AND Tess. Why? First, the paperwork and the stories on Nasedo and Tess' undercover don't match. Tess is supposedly going to school in Chicao, by Nasedo (as Ed Harding) comes to Roswell via Birmingham, AL and Richmond, VA. But Tess tells us that she was with Nasedo the entire time, that he never left her alone until The White Room. She also tells him not to do it again. Tess also had memories of Antar. Well, could it be that Tess' memories are based on the fact that she actually spent time on Antar and that's why she wanted to go back? Because, for Tess, Antar really was home? So let's say that Nasedo and Tess come to Earth, not via Chicago or Birmingham, but by way of Antar ... on the ship which arrived in 1999. They are dropped off in Roswell and the ship is stashed at the underground facility in Utah. This now implicates the FBI and government, that someone, an alien is working with the government. Nasedo and the Skins? Is this part of the Nasedo pact? The diamond is put in trust with Delores Browning. It's put in a location which is retreivable and irretreivable. Irretreivable by the pod squad in Tate Gallery in London, but not irretreivable to the jet-setting, wealth Delores Browning. When the plan to get Max back to Antar fails, this ship becomes Plan B. The letter is a plant , not written by Nasedo, but by Tess, as bait for Max. Could it work? Haven't had time to really work this out, but is it possible?
quote:See that's what Serina means when she says it's all there in front of us... You and Sparky just need to shut up for a while and listen... plot holes...
Originally posted by Melandra I'm not sure how this plays into everything, but I noticed something the other day. I was watching some old season two episodes. At the end of "surprise" Iz finds the granolith and at the beginning of "summer of '47" she takes the pod squad to go see it. When they are looking at it Michael asks Tess, "did nesado mention a rock collection?" she does not answer, she kinda looks away and changes the subject mumbling some lame thing "I wonder if it can hear us" Also, in "TEOTW" she says to kyle, "They didn't even know where the pod chamber was until I got here" I think she knew exactly where the granolith was and never bothered to tell the group about it.
quote:Interesting theory and tremendous observations. The only problem I have off the bat is why Tess/Nasedo would conceal the Granalith location. I'm still under the impression that they didn't know where it was. In spite that Tess takes credit for the PS finding it. The problems with the preggers pact. If the pact was made with Kivar and the goal was to get an heir back on the throne-presumably having Zan back alive would be preferable (to Kivar). Tess could assume that the aliens would want to rush back, but they would still need to translate the book. And just why did they (Nasedo/Tess) wait so long to translate the book? Why wait until they're established in Roswell... clearly they seemed to know right where it was... unless there was another allie or clue that they didn't have until they got to Roswell. Even if Michael's signal clued them in-why wait so long after to get it. Why have Tess do it so publically-and not pick it up ASAP instead? No, I think they knew exactly what was in the book (instructions, history, but not the G location-since it was written before the G was hidden) but because they didn't know where the Granalith was, there was no priority to translating the book.
why? The pact was to get pregnant with Max's son and go back to antar...well what if she tells them they can go home whenever they figure out how to work the thing and they decide to go before she does the deed with max, then she is screwed. So she waits to tell them about it until she can get close to Max. oops, Isabelle found it first because Whitaker asked her about it. That put a wrench in Tess's plan. But, they still didn't know how to use it. It is in that EXACT SAME EPISODE where FMax comes back and tells Liz that Max has to be with Tess. (this may support the future tess theories) Why exactly then is it that FMax comes back with that message and not another message like "don't let tess leave roswell cause you all gotta be here" according to the other things FMax said that would have worked just as well if the ultimate goal was to prevent the end of the world... So tess decides to get close to Max before she tells them about the granolith, but Iz finds it first. This hightens her timeline of when she needs to get pregnant. She needs to get pregnant BEFORE they figure out what the granolith can do and BEFORE they decide to go home for another reason. [/b]
quote:Well, she may have just blurted out anything-blaming anyone to shift blame from herself. She had a lot going on-it had been a really rough week and presumably she was just 16... Although I would say that there is some truth to the existance of the Pact-if for no other reason that she gave a timeframe for the pact. Not to mention that the date of the pact pre-dated her existance. If she were just deflecting blame, I don't think she would have included this detail. Given all the loose ends and clues that S1 and S2 left behind, sometimes I feel like I'm standing blindfolded with my hands on the rump of an elephant-trying to figure out what it is. It's so easy to write loose ends up as plot holes until something else that happens down the road makes something that was seemingly meaningless the answer to one of the other loose ends! Thanks for the great post Melandra!
I'm still trying to digest if this alleged "pact" is even real or if she just made it up on the spot to save her own ass. But at the same time, why would she say that and not something else, if it wasn't true.
quote:The problem with this theory is that it presupposes that Tess either knew (or thought that) Max might not go back with her. And if that was the case, I think that something more dramatic and reliable would have been set in motion. As a backup plan, it leaves a lot to chance and is completely unmonitored (for last minute direction). Lots of great ideas here. Such a fun thread. But I'm still sticking with the Diamond and the Ship (sounds like a Neil Diamond or Leonard Cohen song) was just too hard for her to find/use. She may have also avoided the ship because she was afraid of the government.
Originally posted by Melandra ok, back to the original reason for this thread, the nesado letter. So she has this letter that tells her there is a ship somewhere and a key that looks like a diamont somewhere and if she found them both she could communicate whith someone back on Antar. Well if she has the granolith and knows it can take her home (once she finds out how to use it) why would she bother lookign for plan B at all. Let's say she didn't have the granolith key. Well she was at least halfway there, whereas with the ship she had nothing. Why bother. I totally agree with bethalani here:
So eiether A. she just didn't need it or B. she left the note about it with her "stuff" so that Max would find it if he ended up not going with her. She did give him the chance to not go, maybe she also left him the chance to go afterall. Tess seamed so fickle maybe she assumed Max would be too.
quote:Okay... I've been off the board most of the day and I'm kinda' on a roll... Observation: It's possible that Nasedo had been on the inside of the Eagle Rock base but not been a prisoner. Pierce had gotten the name "Nasedo" from observing the R3 in Roswell (using that ultra-sneaky spy kit). They even focus on Pierce's learning the name... and then him using it to find out if what Max knows about Nasedo... isn't that what you call him... So it's possilble (and this is Serina's theory) that of the two original surviving glowie guys, Nasedo was actually the one that escaped. The other glowie guy stayed behind and sacrificed himself-to imprisonment, and eventually died in 1950. Nasedo on the other hand was probably busy hiding the pods. Making evil deals. And then may have (once he had the lay of the land) infiltrated the FBI trying to find his missing buddy. I use this sequence of events because I think it took Nasedo a while to assimilate himself into the human world and once he did he kept using the roads he'd built until he got killed. Which is also why he had some government help (army moving him) and it may have even been possible that they had no idea that he was an alien.
Originally posted by bethalani Go Mel! You are on roll! Don't you just love it when you start replying to your own posts! Such a rush! BTW: love the sig! Major Anne fan here too! Nothing to add here... just in awe of all the fab ideas running around on the board! lol... Question: If the Into The Woods sighting was Nasedo in a ship arriving on earth for the first time, then how does it explain the stuff about him being captured at Eagle Rock ?(we know it was him because he knew the inside of the base intimately and admitted to escaping it once already). Trying to work out the Momo theory.
quote:I still have problems with the idea that she went to Antar. I'm not sure Nasedo had anything to gain from going to Antar-with Ava and not any of the others. In fact, depending on his original assignment that could have meant he was failing miserably at his job as a Protector. Unless he was really only there to protect Ava. I am your only protector... Another thing, Tess claimed to have memories of Ava and Zan-specifically, she didn't recall the Grand Spires of Antar or the Great Cliffs of Zansilvania... she recalled memories of Ava and Zan-which she couldn't get any better going to Antar than she could from someone telling/sending them to her here. If the last two seasons are any indication, simply using their powers would be the fastest way to improve and increase them. The pics of Max are another thing too. If Nasedo had been in Roswell before (because he met Riverdog and made the cave drawings) he actually knew where the book was-contrary to my earlier suposition that Michael pointed it out to him. So why didn't he go and get it? Did he know the Granalith was in the Pod Chamber or was the icon on the map just marking the Chamber and not the Granalith. The only way to explain that would be that the Pods (this set anyway) had a pre-determined installation site-which happened to be on top of the Granalith. The Granalith arrived before the Pods and without the Protectors knowing. Hmm... Okay, it's a really bad sign when you've been posting on the same theory thread for so long that you start to disprove your own posts...
Originally posted by Melandra well one question there is that pierce never says anything about having captured nesado (and tess) recently....there was a theory some time ago that tess spent time at Eagle Rock as a kid, do you remember that one? What if...Nesado and Tess were on Earth, Nesado was captured and escaped, Found Tess alone in the pod chamber and decided to take special care of her because the others had left her alone. At some point they went back to Antar using a ship Nesado had stashed somewhere (maybe he didn't have granolith key) Antar is at war, Khivar wants to kill Tess (and Nesado for bringing her back) so Nesado makes a deal with Khivar. He tells them Go back to Earth, If you come back with the heir to the throne and turn him over to me I will let you live on Antar so, Tess really does have memories of being on Antar. The UFO sighting was Nesado and Tess coming back to Earth. They stayed in hiding for a while to scope out the hybrids and make a plan. They establish a cover story and Tess decides her way in will be to introduce herself to Isabelle at school. (they had an awful lot of pictures of Max and company in that box, like they had been watching them for a couple of months) This might also explain why Tess had advanced her powers beyond what the others seamed to be able to do. Not only had she spent time with Nesado who could have taught her, she also spent time on Antar and knows what she is capable of.(because she would have seen antarian's using their powers) The others don't really know what they could do if they tried so they haven't had the chance to let their powers grow much. (except that Tess was surprised when she found out about Iz's dreamwalking ability)
Question: Just because Max found the letter among Tess's things, does that mean the letter was for her? Max said it was a letter to Tess from Nasedo, but did the letter read, "Dear Tess..."???? Could have the letter been to Max (or a dupe, or anybody but Tess basically) and Tess intercepted it?
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Is a "Dear Tess..." Letter like a "Dear John..." letter?
Greg
Wow, Greg you've been busy. This is a really fun thread. I know what you mean about disproving your own theories though because I start to look at what I just posted and think but, what about??? lots to think about here.
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