Puppets
have Powers?Puppets
have Powers?Posted by Alastriona on 11-27-2001 09:56 AM:
Puppets have Powers?
Fido reminded me on another thread that Khivar spiked Jesse's drink to give
an upset tummy. He also dream walked Isabel and opened the transporter.
Khivar had kidnapped Denny and was using his body like Larek used Brody's. So
when you download your conscious into a human body you get to keep your powers
too?
Larek never displayed any powers. Is it possible that he is of a different people
than the Antarans and doesn't have any powers to begin with?
Or was Khivar using a different improved version of possession than Larek used?
The only example we have of a puppet master using powers is the emissary. Rath
told us that the emissary WAS in fact reaching out with his mind to the human...
but note that the emissary was able to work his magic on Max's head to reveal
the royal seal!
B' I had forgot about the Emissary playing slide projector with Max's head
Maybe Larek wanted to make sure that Brody didn't seem abnormal in any way so as not to tip off his possesion, so didn't exercise his powers through Brody.
Is Gonzo the real shape of an Antaran?
On puppeting:
Serina pointed out that Alex was obsessed with Thai food. Now, if Alex was puppeted-then
he would have been an alien in a human's body. We know from the Clapper/Langely
and Max's conversation that aliens don't have a highly developed sense of taste.
So whoever was puppetting Alex either tried a bunch of food or was drawn to
(or told by someone else) Thai food because it had a lot of flavor and spices.
Now if Alex wasn't puppeted... If he was "Super Mindwarped" he may have taken
on the liking for Thai food because Tess, his Warper had a liking for it.
On powers:
We know that the aliens had powers on Antar (specifically from Nic tells Max
he was much more powerful on Antar). But we also know that the hybrids get their
powers from the human portion of their brains (Nasedo). So if the aliens powers
on Antar are rudimentarilly the same as they are on Earth, it would stand to
reason that when they are using the human body, they'd have access to at
least the same powers that the hybrids have.
That's all I can think of.
Greg
This is frying my brain! lol....
I still think we have to have two forces at work here with Alex. Tess warping
him for a month??? A constant warp??? She never seemed to have that ability
before. Anytime she warped, she was sooo strained and drained afterwards.
The Thai Food:
It seems to me that it was just a matter of convenience. The host (Alex) needed
to be fed. The puppet-master didn't want to waste any time, so he kept having
Thai food delivered MORNING, NOON, and NIGHT.
Because of such a REGIMENTED food schedule of the SAME kind of food, it would
seem to me that the food had NO significance other than keeping Alex alive and
healthy to be puppeted.
I have NO clue who puppeted him or HOW Tess ended up getting involved... but
for what it's worth, it DOES seem to be a puppet situation and not so much as
a warp situation (until the end)... don't you think?
MEMORY INPUT:
Alex: You mindwarped me for two months while I decoded that silly book for you
and now there's nothing left for you to mindwarp. You destroyed my mind! How
could you do this to me?
He means the month he was in "Sweden" and then the additional month of him being
at home. He is stating that it was a CONSTANT warp from day one. What? He thought
he was in a virtual reality Sweden, yet was still able to decode the book? That
has NOTHING to do with warping. You can't MAKE people do things they don't want
to. You can only make them REACT to a situation put in front of them.
But... REMEMBER: When Brody is puppeted by Larek, he can't remember anything
that happened. It's dead space. IF Tess became involved AFTER Puppet Master
got the book decoded, Tess could have covered that "DEAD SPACE" with fake memories
of Sweden. That would have been her role in all of it... covering up the "lost
time" for the puppeted Alex.
Brody attributed his blank time to being abducted by aliens. If Alex said I
have some blank time I have been abducted his alien friends would immediately
know something was wrong. By filling in the blanks for him with the Sweden trip
his 'abduction' is explained.
If he was puppeted to decode the book why did they need the supercomputer. Shouldn't
the puppetmaster already be able to read Antaran and easily translate the book?
ALAS! YES! Ok... I am totally with you on that one... and you said it in less
words! Lol...
IT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY!
Alex having a VOID would have been a big fat red alien flag! So, Tess steps
in and aids puppetmaster (whoever that might have been) and "fills in the blanks"
with tales of Sweden and skiing! Lol....
But... that book was in code. I don't think it was written in the Antarian language.
Whoever wrote that book would have considered that it might fall into enemy
hands...
So.. they encoded it!
YAHOOO! lol....
quote:They not only filled the memory banks with tale of Sweden they provided lots of slides to provide the proof. The sheer number of slide carosels Alex brought home should have sent up a warning flag.
Originally posted by bethalani
ALAS! YES! Ok... I am totally with you on that one... and you said it in less words! Lol...
IT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY!
Alex having a VOID would have been a big fat red alien flag! So, Tess steps in and aids puppetmaster (whoever that might have been) and "fills in the blanks" with tales of Sweden and skiing! Lol....
B-
The Thai food regimen is a good theory. It makes practical sense.
Alas- Sorry B beat me to this one-while I was wrestling this post through
blu...
If the book were written in a language any Antaran could read, Nasedo
could have translated it as soon as Tess got it from the library. OUR assumption
was that, like a miltary secret, it was written in a code specifically for the
Royal Four.
On the other hand, it could have been written by someone else entirely-the symbol
on the book is the symbol that was burned in front of the library, which transforms
(in the opening credits this season) into the symbol that Isabel drew in her
notes about Kivar.
Sweden/Los Cruses Theory
I think that Tess did Mindwarp Alex. But I also think that Alex was at least
part of the time puppeted-probably for most of the time.
I think the Super Computer was used as a huge code-breaker. I'm fairly confident
that Nasedo could have translated the book if it were just in Antaran. So they
used the computer to develop a codex so that it could translated into... not
surprisingly-English.
English would have been chosen because it was easiest for the hybrids to read.
It wouldn't have mattered if Nasedo could read it after it was translated, the
target for this information would have been the Royal Four.
Why Alex?
Because Tess could give him the book.
Because he might be mindwarped into thinking he was helping the girls (Liz/Maria)
into doing this.
Because he had the computer background to move about the Super Computer more
comfortably than any of the others.
Why Mindwarp?
Obviously, it’s the easiest means for Tess to operate. But like B- points out,
it would be very difficult for her to sustain that kind of control for two months!
A mindwarp could push Alex the right direction-get him started so he could be
“prepped” for puppeting. Remember, there is a process to this-so they may have
mindwarped him to get him out of the picture-once they decided he would be their
subject.
Why Puppet?
I think there had to be an Antaran present when Alex was in Los Cruses. I don’t
think it was Tess or Nasedo (who could still be alive?). I think the alien was
the one who did most of the work and did most of the work as “Ray”… why else
go to the trouble to give Alex another identity. That would make a 2 month mindwarp
even harder.
If the book was coded-there may have been a need for Antaran input, as to sentence
structure, words, characters, etc. And that input would have had to be fairly
constant. The puppeting alien may also have access to all the things Alex knew,
which would make him the logical choice to puppet-since he knew something about
computers.
However it was done, Alex also had to have his cover set up in Los Cruses, which
would be fairly easy for an alien with a rough lay of the land to sneak
around and falsify things-especially if puppeting aliens can use the human portions
of their host’s brains (and the powers that are locked within them).
Alex may not have known what to call what happened to him. A mindwarp could
be used to cover up his memories (like Tess did to Kyle). The closet thing he
might be able to associate with what happened to him might have been a mindwarp-especially
since he had those fake Sweden memories.
What about Jennifer Coleman?
Greg
Yes GREG! lol... I agree with everything you said! lol...
The idea of it would be that Alex (when he broke free of the warp) woudn't have
even REALIZED he had been puppeted at one point. He would only be able to remember
Tess's role in it all and of course blame her for everything.
What I don't understand is the following:
WHY did Alex return to Tess's house when he broke free of his warp?
1. Orders Thai Food (a sign of the puppet fever coming on? a sign that the body
is having odd cravings because it is going to be prepared for take-over?)
2. Strumming fingers: A sign that Tess's WARP is wearing off.
3. Breaks out of warp...foggy memories...getting depressed... freaks out delivery
boy.
4. Goes to Tess's house in trance like state.
5. Recites the Destiny Book to her.
6. Totally breaks FREE of warp and/or puppet master.
7. Dies due to a fried brain.
I have asked this before in past threads... but is there ANY possible way that
Alex was being puppeted when Kyle saw him in Tess's room (reciting book)? And
Puppet Master paid his FIRST visit to Tess that night? Then Alex broke free?
And was just standing there blaming Tess for it all?
1. Orders Thai Food (a sign of the puppet fever coming on? a sign that the
body is having odd cravings because it is going to be prepared for take-over?)
The Thai food could have just been "remnants" left over from his puppeting.
After all the Thai food he'd eaten, maybe it was just habit.
2. Strumming fingers: A sign that Tess's WARP is wearing off.
I attribute this to Tess overwarping and the strain on Alex's brain from
all the warp/puppeting/alien-influence over the past year. It could also have
been that the warp hadn't really taken-because it was so extensive. She may
not have warped him for 2 months, but may have tried to cover up 2 months of
memories... which became spread too thin.
3. Breaks out of warp...foggy memories...getting depressed... freaks out
delivery boy.
4. Goes to Tess's house in trance like state.
5. Recites the Destiny Book to her.
Same as #2...
6. Totally breaks FREE of warp and/or puppet master.
Thin warpage finally becomes to challenged by his real memories and he snaps
free into remembering. Of course, he still may not be able to explain how
he translated the book, but he would remember Tess trying to cover it up.
7. Dies due to a fried brain.
Like picking a scab, Tess just tried to use her powers where there was no skin
left! She tried to make his brain stretch, but like a frailed rubber band, it
just snapped.
I have asked this before in past threads... but is there ANY possible way
that Alex was being puppeted when Kyle saw him in Tess's room (reciting book)?
And Puppet Master paid his FIRST visit to Tess that night? Then Alex broke free?
And was just standing there blaming Tess for it all?
Hmm... I think it was Alex just trying to put pieces together. He happened to
remember the book, because that's all he'd done for two months. He probably
remembered Tess being a part of it.
I think the Puppet Master already had the info (straight from Alex's brain)
and that Tess was alied to whoever was supposed to receive Jennifer Coleman's
email.
Now, I'm not sure why Alex wouldn't go to Liz or Maria... unless that had
something to do with Tess' warp. I suppose Tess could also have put a post-hynotic/nay-warp
suggestion that if he ever started to remember, that it would be best to come
to her...
Greg
quote:
Originally posted by greg5
7. Dies due to a fried brain.
Like picking a scab, Tess just tried to use her powers where there was no skin left! She tried to make his brain stretch, but like a frailed rubber band, it just snapped.
Greg [/B]
This is the first time I've really seen the logic of this being two processes,
working in tandem. Very cool.
Now... I usually refrain, these days, from dwelling too hard on possible hidden
details, because of how rarely the writers seem to take advantage of them, but...
Thoughts/questions...
1. WHY was Alex about to be puppeted again on that last day? I only assume this
based on the theory that Thai food=puppet food? The Destiny Book was already
translated... wasn't it? Why would the puppet master need to return? This is
what makes me wonder of it wasn't just a regularly scheduled "warp-wave", set
to wash over him at regular intervals, to keep him under? Or, maybe Alex just
dug Thai food, and the host essence accessed this and just fed him accordingly,
three times a day with it! The only reason I can see him coming out of the warp
is that his brain had become mush, "There's nothing left to warp!", etc. Why
haven't we heard what became of Amy, when Tess stopped warping to leave for
Antar? Shouldn't her memory of OTM events have returned at that point? If not,
why? And if Alex hadn't died that night... how would Tess have managed him after
that? Was she just concerned with getting in the G, then it wouldn't matter
if Alex later remembered what she'd done?
2. And B, it still bugs me what she said to Max that day about, "You won't remember
her (Liz) where we're going."...HUH? Their memories aren't effected by going
back to Antar, are they? Would Isabel have gone native and become full-on Vilondra
upon returning to Antar, not even remembering this life? That seems preposterous,
even by Roswell standards. I've just gone with the assumption that she meant
that he'd have no memory because he'd be DEAD, killed by Kivar on arrival. But
why didn't Max question that weird statement? GAH!
3. I agree completely with the logic presented here about the book being encoded
specifically for the eyes of the Royals. But how would they be ensured of being
able to translate it if they were helpless, unknowing Hybrids? How would AntarMom
expect them to accomplish this? Was a code breaking key sent along on the journey?
In what form -- Protector, blended essence, or something else? Is it locked
in the Hybrid brain just as the Royal Seal is? Could the Royal Seal be
the decoder?
4. Just to indulge my Liz-Myth fantasy a moment... she is exceptionally good
at puzzling through things, like the Gandarium, and the finger-tapping. She
has an awfully good knack for decoding...
5. The Book was in the Pod Chamber when Max & Tess went in for it and he was
wanting to get help about the baby's sickness. She was really the only one who
could've put it back there, right? Isn't it presumed that only an alien-powered
handprint can access the cave?
6. Tess needed something to get the ball rolling on Max's desire to USE what
she'd translated. The baby's sickness would've been a good device. I'm guessing
that's really all that was, a device to get Max desperate to return to Antar.
But if the baby isn't REALLY ill... (assuming it even exists, which I'm forced
to)... then what was the distress call in the lake? WHY DON'T TPTB SHOW US THESE
COMMUNIQUES?!? It seems odd not to have shown something, anything, in the form
of mind imagery. It doesn't take a huge FX budget to give us a little flashy
vision thing, now does it? And if Tess knew she had the completed English translation,
how are we thinking she was intending to introduce that to Max? Was he going
to be warped into thinking HE'D deciphered the book? When was she going to begin
introducing that part of the plan, since the baby's sickness was already advancing?
If she does in fact come back into the story (this seems like almost a given)
this will be merely one of the many things that girl can answer for us.
7. I agree with your idea of the puppet chosing his host body based on it's
innate abilites, ones that suit his particular purpose. It makes better sense
that the host body is chosen for it's talents and possibly it's station in life.
Brody is filthy rich, therefore useful and influential for that reason, if needed.
It allowed him to travel and spend with ease... (I wonder if it was Brody or
Larek that drove the purchase of the UFO Museum?)... The MITC puppets were presumably
chosen for their uses, too. Wasn't one a taxi driver? And one was a temp agency
person, right? So, why was Denny selected, I wonder? Do we know what he did
for a living? If Kivar has a more finessed mode of travel now, why would we
assume he chose his host haphazardly? It seems Denny should have something to
offer in terms of usefulness, other than a cute face, right? And now that Denny
has been used/prepped once, he's prime for a repeat puppet show. Hope so, anyway.
quote:
I have asked this before in past threads... but is there ANY possible way that Alex was being puppeted when Kyle saw him in Tess's room (reciting book)? And Puppet Master paid his FIRST visit to Tess that night? Then Alex broke free? And was just standing there blaming Tess for it all?
quote:
3. I agree completely with the logic presented here about the book being encoded specifically for the eyes of the Royals. But how would they be ensured of being able to translate it if they were helpless, unknowing Hybrids? How would AntarMom expect them to accomplish this? Was a code breaking key sent along on the journey? In what form -- Protector, blended essence, or something else? Is it locked in the Hybrid brain just as the Royal Seal is? Could the Royal Seal be the decoder?
4. Just to indulge my Liz-Myth fantasy a moment... she is exceptionally good at puzzling through things, like the Gandarium, and the finger-tapping. She has an awfully good knack for decoding...
I think Alex just assumed that he'd go to Tess with what he knew, and go to
Max right afterwards. He didn't think that she'd warp him anymore!
As for the timeline, I think that it was like Mia said... A matter of weeks!
I wish they'd let us know how long time has passed!
Mia!!!
Great thinking!
I like the Thai food explanation-like he's on a timer... of course, I say that
sitting here eating chips at 2 AM... hmm...
I like the Denny question too. Though, I think that may have been more for:
1. Appearance (had to be someone Kivar would think that Isabel might think was
striking)
2. Location
3. There's no telling how fast the plan went into motion
On the other hand, I had this time-released Kivar idea a few days ago,
that might only be triggered by Isabel/Vilandra getting married... The cat
still doesn't like this idea, I'm pretty sure Mia won't change her mind either...
About the Granalith. I'm not thinking it's something that was "just made" (in
terms of being "just a construct" or something that modern scientists built).
I keep going back to it's description as being "like the holy grail." I don't
think that it is necessarilly religious in nature, but I'm not sold that it's
only science either.
re: Decoding
The book has to have a codex or key to it's translation around here somewhere.
I would think that it would be with the R4 themselves, but may also be something
that has to be released. Remember, they aren't supposed to come back until
their ready. Now this could be time-relased (I'm going to get that in there
somewhere) based on their elapsed ages or could be waiting for a signal from
home-no sense having the kids come home just to get killed.
Okay, I really have to go to bed NOW!!!
Greg
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