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Posted 11-08-2003 03:43 PM by Mone
THE REBEL ALLIANCE: MAX/TESS 'SHIPPERS The Rebel Alliance, are the Max and Tess 'shippers. We like Max and Tess as a couple and we talk about that (among other things.) Some of our views may not be popular, but this thread is the place we have been given to express them. So if you don't like it, there Please keep in mind... As with all threads this one is moderated. Drcy is the kickass mod that has been assigned to us. But we are sure that other mods are also keeping an eye on us. Don't bash our ideas or what we support. Don't bash our ideas or what we support. Just in case you didn't get that the first time. Don't bash our ideas or what we support. Just in case you didn't get that the first and second time. It's not what the Rebels are about and not what Roswell is about either. Links The Rebel Board -> No, it's not a mindwarp: You can't register for this board anymore... but you'll find tons of great fan fiction about our favourite royal couple. The first person to post on page 11 is the starter of a new Rebel Thread. However if it's a special number you can call it. If you do get post 250 and don't want to do it, someone else will help you out gladly. If you're a newbie, introduce yourself.. we love fresh ideas and fresh blood ... anyone who loves Max and Tess and Roswell is cool to us. Please please (for the love of god) please! post your Max and Tess pic's, poetry, thoughts, theories and admiration pronto! TESS FANS: READ THIS. Hey there! If you are reading this you are obviously a Tess fan. We bet you were even directed here by a mod. If you're new to the Ros1 boards you've probably noticed and experienced the insane amounts of negativity our favorite fictional character has Whether you be Rebounder, Fifth Wheeler, Mindwarper, Catfighter, etc. etc. etc. you'll always be welcomed here. But if you're still wigged at the thought of hanging with Rebels, you can always head over to the land of Chocolate and Sunshine otherwise known as the... You'll find the above mentioned UC Tess ships with *gasp* their own threads, news about the upcoming projects of Emilie, a whole mess of Hussies (Tess Fans) talking, yapping and sometimes lamenting about Roswell or anything else. If you're a Tess fan, you'll definitely feel at home there. And finally, say it with me... It's just a tv show! IMAGE: www.fortunecity.co.uk/roswell/philosophy/63/2/heart/heart256.jpg Rebel on... [ 11-08-2003: Message edited Mone ] |
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Posted 11-08-2003 03:54 PM by Dobson
first post!!!!! MAx&tEsS4eVA!!!!!! |
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Posted 11-08-2003 03:59 PM by Mone
OMG, ITA!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted 11-08-2003 04:13 PM by Fehr_chick
Ever time i see that title I'm going to picture Max in a dress. I like that picture. One reason I liked Max and Tess at first was because with them it didn't seem like it was me me me.. |
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Posted 11-08-2003 04:15 PM by Tess Shipper Whore
Yay new thread! Ella. Max and Tess 4eva! |
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Posted 11-08-2003 04:34 PM by Dobson
that's true Fehr_chick..Tess even said she tried to get Max to see how important it was to go back home.... |
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Posted 11-08-2003 05:00 PM by Lori R
on the new thread Lori SASS |
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Posted 11-08-2003 06:17 PM by meretwins
i love the tittle ... |
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Posted 11-08-2003 06:28 PM by Dobson
What would be funny is if the Star Wars people hated us for using a reference to their fandom's characters...it would be rather fitting, wouldn't it |
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Posted 11-08-2003 06:40 PM by Mone
Dammit, there must be people out there that don't hate us! |
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Posted 11-08-2003 07:32 PM by Lucy Pearl
Now THAT is one hell of a title! Good job, Mone. |
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Posted 11-08-2003 09:15 PM by Dreamer 4 Ever
Rebels, There is a first ever Roswell Music Video Awards going on and here is what videos I am nominated for: Group Videos UC Videos Angsty Videos Crossover Videos Solo Videos Challenge Videos And here is where you vote in the different categories, don't forget to take out the star's: Going to now Jennifer |
Posted 11-08-2003 09:48 PM by Kathy W
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Posted 11-09-2003 01:19 AM by _gloria
I love your new title . peace & love G |
Posted 11-09-2003 04:21 AM by Mone
quote: *cries*
I'm glad you like the title. TSW said something about Tess being Darth Vader and I thought "But weren't Ani and Ami in soulmate-y truuuuuue luuuuuuurve 4eva?" *°*Glo*°*, I love your avatar. MmmmWill... |
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Posted 11-09-2003 06:02 AM by ukspacegirl
Morning guys! Great title! All hail the King and Queen ! BBL. uk |
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Posted 11-09-2003 06:33 AM by Mone
Don't mind me... I'm just picturing all of us sitting in front of the computer all stiff and old-fashioned like the British monarchy experts you see on tv. |
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Posted 11-09-2003 06:58 AM by Dobson
move along..nothing to see.I have nothing to add here |
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Posted 11-09-2003 05:13 PM by ukspacegirl
Hey,I see it's a quiet night for Rebel activity - or maybe it's because I'm in a different time-zone.. anyway, time for some pretty pictures - IMAGE: cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=168f73c0-6956-1e5d-7cef-3dc714d12377&size= IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=f9e07491-1411-2119-1d78-239e7e43261e&size= IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=305d7931-1682-23e5-39a1-234d606f4c8f&size= IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=666e565d-5e5d-4ae9-22c4-69d87835288e&size= IMAGE: www.printableexpressions.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=60af5037-302b-6721-3513-7db4510177c1&size= IMAGE: www.printableexpressions.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=60af5037-302b-6721-3513-7db4510177c1&size= IMAGE: cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=5b055f3d-e5a2-1bda-1869-770817622096&size=lg [ 11-09-2003: Message edited ukspacegirl ] |
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Posted 11-10-2003 06:29 AM by Snicker
uk: Never seen that first pic before. **saving** Jennifer: Ooh a music video contest! Cool. I haven't seen many Roswell vids so I don't think I'll be nominating. But I'll check out the ones that are up. **still snickering about the title** |
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Posted 11-10-2003 08:02 AM by Mone
Hehe, Snicker is snickering.
From HOM: Scene changes to Max's bedroom. He and Tess are both sitting on the bed facing each other. TESS: Okay, just think about everything that you remember. What did it look like? Feel like? Smell like? You're not concentrating. MAX: Yes, I am. TESS: Something's getting in your way. What's going on with you? MAX: Actually there is something I should probably tell you. Liz and I are going to the prom. TESS: So? Max, I, I don't care about that stuff. That's not what's important here. This is what's important and we can do it. Let's try again. And what happened once Max followed Tess's good example and forgot about the soap opera love triangle he was in? Yes, he remembered. The plot moved forward. MAX: We were just trying to find out things about where I came from, that's all. LIZ: I know, I know, I mean, you know, you keep saying that. but you um, keep on leaving out this really pertinent fact. That you were married to her. I feel like my whole life for the past year has been waiting for some really bad news. Oh, you know, by the way Liz, I remember Tess, and I love her. It's really paralyzing. MAX: I know it's not easy. LIZ: No, Max, it can be. It can be really, really easy. You know, we both just stop pretending. MAX: What do you mean? LIZ: You know, maybe we're both just holding on to something that'll never be. Max, maybe we should just let go. I have been in so much pain. This whole year. and it's like I'm suffocating. MAX: Liz. A very painful moment of finality comes over them, she shakes her head at him, then sees Maria standing by herself. LIZ: Um, I should go, you know, for Maria. MAX: Right. LIZ: She's all alone tonight. MAX: Go ahead. LIZ: Max. MAX: Go ahead. This needed to be said episodes ago to get the plot going again. They were going in circles and circles (and circles if you know what I mean). *sigh* Max isn't really into making decisions, is he? Unless his women push him. Kyle and Tess head out to the dance floor. Now we see Max sitting alone in the hall holding his corsage. Kyle and Tess come upon him. TESS: I'll meet you inside in a minute, okay? KYLE: Sure. TESS: You look sad. MAX: I think it's really over. TESS: You mean with Liz? MAX: Yeah. I mean I, I realize that, I guess that on some level that things were headed in that direction. I think it's really actually over. I'd love to know Tess's thoughts during this tidbit... The writers were handling this veeeery Max-friendly. There's one line that has me snorting every time: "I think it's really over..." "You mean with Liz? Of course, you dumbass! She broke up with you months ago! Everyone knows that! Moron! I know we are half-human now, but I didn't realize that deaf and dumb came with the package!" [ 11-10-2003: Message edited Mone ] |
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Posted 11-10-2003 08:24 AM by Dobson
Lol I'll hold him while you slap him a couple times to knock sense into him mone |
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Posted 11-10-2003 12:53 PM by Mone
Max group slapping... Wheeeeeee! ETA: Pssssst, ukspacegirl and all the other JB fans should check out his board. Oceana has posted details on his new job. [ 11-10-2003: Message edited Mone ] |
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Posted 11-10-2003 01:57 PM by Kathy W
Mone: I never realized how often Liz says, "You know". I wonder if all those "you know's" made it from page to screen. Parts 31 and 32 are up. (Forgot to post this last week. ) [ 11-10-2003: Message edited Kathy W ] |
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Posted 11-10-2003 02:11 PM by Snicker
Ah, please don't remind me of my horrid screen name I picked years ago based on a ship I don't even wanna think about anymore, thinking I'd just pick any name since I wasn't gonna post much anyway. Only reason I'm not switching is because I want people to know who I am. Oh yeah Liz said some really bright things there, stuff that should have been clear for both of them months ago. Sadly that little speach didn't have any lasting effect since they were back to their angsty self destructing sleep-inflicting 'relationship' first thing in season 3. We couldn't be devoid of the bliss that is Max-and-Liz-gazing-into-each-others-eyes for too long, could we. They should both probably spend some serious time in therapy learning about co-dependent relationships that will only end in disaster. Perhaps social services could step in and spring for an appartment for Liz on the west coast and one for Max on the east coast and cutting off their phonelines. FOr the sake of the rest of the world. |
Posted 11-10-2003 03:02 PM by ukspacegirl
quote: Mone! The word 'dumbass' makes me laugh every time I see it.. poor Max. There is to be Absolutely No Max smacking by anyone - unless I'm supervising That's an order by Queen Amidala, BTW.. Snicker - I agree - the M/L thing wasn't the most exciting thing, and for most of S3 Liz was just very MEAN to Max, IMO - I can hardly stand it sometimes.. I watched 'Samuel Rising' yesterday and the snarkiness of it is just - well - Very snarky.. co-dependent, unhealthy, I agree. At least with Tess it was honest-to-goodness uncontrollable passion. That's what I like to see.. News of the new JB project at last! He's gonna be a crazy rock-star! Yippee! Kathy - new parts! Yay! |
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Posted 11-10-2003 06:23 PM by just me
Hi |
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Posted 11-10-2003 07:06 PM by Lori R
I love the pics that were posted. Lori 'SASS' |
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Posted 11-11-2003 01:16 AM by ukspacegirl
Morning Rebels - Just Me - Hi Lori! I watched 'HOM' last night.. I'd forgotton how much M/T interraction there is.. TPTB really seemed to be 'clearing the way' for Max and Tess - Kyle discovers his 'sibling' feelings, Liz takes Sean's advice about letting go and moving on.. temporarily at least. At that stage, Max and Tess were remembering things about their past - Max was even so thrown by what he remembered that he had to get up.. obviously his past life memories of Tess disturbed him. So bittersweet/ sad.. BBL! |
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Posted 11-11-2003 02:50 AM by Mone
Hi Rebels!
quote: I loved it. Healing means a bit more to Liz than just undoing a physical wound and I guess watching this made her see that Tess can also do the fascinating/handy-dandy/saintly healing thing *and* she also uses it on the person she loves. Just like Max did. This little gesture made me feel all fuzzy and warm but also sad knowing that Tess was about to learn about Nasedo's death. Poor girl.
quote: I know that we are all married to MITC but HOM has all the elements normally used in screenwriting to gently go from one relationship to another. When I first saw this episode, it immediately struck me that a new viewer would love Tess and Max and would be very happy about them getting closer. They were so naturally and sweet and as a new viewer you would be quite confused as to why Max is torturing himself with a relationship that can never be when his lovely wife is right there. I didn't get any Tess-is-evil vibes from this eppy and I highly doubt that Decrapture was the original plan. Not with an episode like this. Makes no sense. Even for Roswell. |
Posted 11-11-2003 03:50 PM by ukspacegirl
quote: Mone - ITA. Over on the RBI thread they're having a good argument about Tess and the old M/W thing..
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Posted 11-11-2003 05:05 PM by Drcy
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Ok I will be honest the first thing I thought about was the dress Leia wore in the OT that had ahrm 'nothing' underneath. Jiggly jiggly pop. *dies* No? Oh well thats what I thought, and I had to come say I love the SW title. |
Posted 11-11-2003 07:21 PM by Kathy W
quote: Nothing but duct tape, that is. But I doubt Max would have that problem. ukspacegirl: I read about Jason's new project. He does like those dark, brooding types, doesn't he? MW theories. *Sigh* You know, I would happily have a MW theory discussion with someone willing to believe that some things weren't mindwarps. It's hard to discuss "what's a MW" with someone who feels everything was a MW, including stuff that happened before Tess even showed up. |
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Posted 11-12-2003 01:56 AM by ukspacegirl
Morning! Drcy - nice to see your pixels. Yes, the force is strong in that one - even in a dress.. Kathy, you know my feelings about MW theories.. most of them are just lacking something (like a balanced view, :lol I can't bear the POV that 'if it wasn't Liz/Max it had to be a MW'. If Max can be credited with 'real' feelings about Liz, then he should be credited with real feeings for Tess. Besides, I never saw Max drumming his fingers What I mean is, Tess was an integral member of the alien group. I've seen it said that Tess is the 'most talked about' character - for varying reasons, of course! I find it impossible to see Tess's character as simply the 'token baddie.' I know that 'bad' characters have an interesting time of it.. but Tess was never 'set up' to be bad, only in love with Max. Which is the same thing in a lot of people's eyes.. Anyway, I watched HOM the other day and I still find the 'early days' of their relationship very touching and very genuine. If Max's memory retrieval was a MW, why wasn't he instantly happy and convinced about it? If Tess could MW Max to do what she wanted, why wait? Maybe they were secret lovers for a long time.. like they were on Antar! everybody! BTW,I'm so excited about JB's new projects! Yay! |
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Posted 11-12-2003 07:38 AM by Dobson
I would think if she was going to mindwarp anybody it would have been liz...especially when they knew she was investigating alex's death...but then the way that played out tess must have wanted liz to solve that, so that liz could go to max and tell her that she killed alex..I tell ya that tess was an evil genius..she set it up for Liz to find the translation, rather then just tell everybody she remembered their language and translated it herself |
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Posted 11-12-2003 09:42 AM by Fehr_chick
Hey all, I made a Rebel AIM Expressions. [ 11-12-2003: Message edited Fehr_chick ] [ 11-12-2003: Message edited Fehr_chick ] [ 11-12-2003: Message edited Fehr_chick ] |
Posted 11-12-2003 11:32 AM by ukspacegirl
quote: Yes, that was an act of genius on the part of TPTB - not.. Charysse - your link doesn't work...
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Posted 11-12-2003 05:48 PM by Kathy W
quote: Well, you know, if everything was a mindwarp, then Max's feelings for Liz were a mindwarp too. *Ducks*
quote: If the memory retrieval was a MW, then Tess did a darned poor job. I would think she would concoct much more than just "feelings and impressions" if she were going to make it up, something vivid and easy to grab ahold of.
quote: Ah, the $64,000 question. If Tess was interested in nothing more than getting herself knocked up and dragging everyone back, why didn't she do that right away? Maybe because that's not what she was interested in? Maybe that conversation with Nasedo in the privacy of the pod chamber was *gasp!* real? Maybe she wanted Max to really love her? Nah. |
Posted 11-12-2003 07:09 PM by Fehr_chick
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Posted 11-12-2003 07:28 PM by Fehr_chick
quote: See that's why I never believed that Tess Mindwarped Max. I think maybe she did it at the begin because she said she did during the first season, but if she did it for a prolong time like during those months they were together then why wasn't he drumming his fingers.
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Posted 11-12-2003 08:24 PM by Lori R
No time for a well thought out post, but I am lurking and reading here Lori |
Posted 11-13-2003 01:27 AM by ukspacegirl
quote: You're absolutely right!
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Posted 11-13-2003 07:22 AM by Dobson
some days ya just got nothing to say... [ 11-13-2003: Message edited Dobson ] |
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Posted 11-13-2003 08:18 AM by ukspacegirl
Hi Dobson! I know what that feels like - even Roswell Philosophers 'like what we are' need to have a break from thinking deep thoughts.. MaxNTessie4Eva 'n eva.. IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=78203037-6c7b-3e0f-7e91-3b3934d17ecd&size= Max and Tess search for the Meaning Of Life, The Universe and Everything.. or Max and Tess peer over the edge of yet another Plot hole..
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Posted 11-13-2003 09:10 AM by Dobson
I think it's the second one uk |
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Posted 11-13-2003 10:01 AM by bad3appels
THE TITTLE ROCKS
after the whole sesoen..THEN he kind start getting,,he just realise : oooh noo,i`m stupid,she was here for me all long and i didn`t even see it and then the I TAKE YOU FOR GRANTED speech ..that made me wanna puke....and almost DID. and it was sooooooo late becouse he made soo many mistakes with tess about that time,after that he said that..they are not in love and they never have been...then the poor a$$ewhole come up with: DUH,I REMEMBER YOU,i mean..i thought it was soo lame. if i was there in that room,i would have shoot all the roswell writters,i mean ..WHAT WAS THAT???????????? didn`t anybody pay them? |
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Posted 11-13-2003 11:14 AM by ukspacegirl
Hi Bad - I think the idea of Tess - and a previous life where he had a deep love and marriage and relationship with an equal - who worshipped the ground he walks on, who wouldn't - just scared the bejeebers out of our poor Max and he just needed a 'time out' - (UK smacks Max on the back of the head) that's better - now where were we? Dobson - ITA. IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=76262df1-71eb-52f7-1469-27436e001bf8&size= IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=31e2165e-5990-59cc-252f-7a3627e572e3&size= BBL! |
Posted 11-13-2003 12:43 PM by Mone
quote: And you are letting this little, unimportant fact stop you?
quote: Max. Princess Leia nothing-dress. Duct tape. I really shouldn't drink while reading this thread. Too dangerous.
quote: Nobody has to 'ship or appreciate Max & Tess - but why denying the facts? If you are taking the Roswell references out of the plot or the premise, you'll get: "Character1 was married to Character2 in a previous life. They meet again." How can you automatically assume that they were a) not in love in that previous life and that b) meeting again does not touch their hearts AT ALL. When in doubt, I'd expect both because why else would you construct such a backstory in the first place...? It's like introducing a character that can fly but then have her bicycle her way through the plot and say "Oh yes, she can fly. But you see... it doesn't really matter. We just thought it would be cool. No, we are not planning on using this on the show. Why, do you think this would change her daily life?" Oh, and the theory that Max can only have feelings for Liz and no one else... not very attractive - but scary and unhealthy IMO. My ideal Max would have feelings/care about a lot of people including his adoptive parents, his birth parents, his son, his sister, his best friend, his Kindergarten teacher and so on... I would never want him to be all about Tess. It's boring and... rude. |
Posted 11-13-2003 01:22 PM by Snicker
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quote:Whoa she looks just like a lioness in this picture. Mone: You have a knack for finding and pointing out the best proofs of Max and Tess' love! |
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Posted 11-13-2003 03:40 PM by Tess Shipper Whore
Yes, I know this is a little late, but --
quote: Wow. I never actually liked that scene, because Max was staring at Liz throughout the whole entire thing, but now I can totally see it as a Rebel scene. Not that it wasn't before, but you know what I mean.
quote: Married to MITC! That's classic! I know somebody who started watching Roswell in season 2, and she ships Max/Tess. And no way was Decrapture anything more than a random and incomplete and unsatisfactory way to lead up into the fact that YES, there WAS going to be a third season. ( As if we needed THAT. Really. I would have been happy with a nice Max/Tess series finale at the end of season 2, as opposed to Garbageation.)
quote: I know, that's why I always say that what Max felt for Liz wasn't love, because it made him not care about anyone but her. In CYN, after he had fallen in love with Tess, he still cared about Liz and Isabel and everyone. Of course, he was "still in love with Liz" then.... I love the Max/Tess scene under the bleachers. That has always given me the warm and fuzzies. The way he only felt comfortable opening up in front of her..... |
Posted 11-13-2003 05:53 PM by Kathy W
quote: Max himself put this theory to rest in Busted, when he told Liz that he was attracted to someone who was like him. In other words, attracted to someone else.
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Posted 11-13-2003 07:04 PM by Lori R
Too tired to comment. But I'm reading some great comments Lori 'SASS' |
Posted 11-13-2003 07:49 PM by jayta
quote: Where is it? I want cookie dough! So... What did you think? Have you got a new chapter out yet? I'm slowly but surely working on mine! |
Posted 11-13-2003 10:12 PM by Mone
quote: Eeeeeek! *hides behind the other Rebels* Beware the Plot Holes of Unusual Size! |
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Posted 11-14-2003 07:43 AM by Dobson
I can understand why someone would say the hybrids are not the same people as before, but as posted earlier it is clear the intent of the plot was that they were, no matter how badly it might have been written... on a side note , i whacked a little mouse in my house last night, and i felt so guilty disposing of the body in Jersey |
Posted 11-14-2003 09:05 AM by Snicker
quote: Ishk! My stomach turns at the thought of it. How do you whack a mouse really? Do you step on it until you can hear the little bones crunch beneath the sole of your foot? *swallows hard* |
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Posted 11-14-2003 10:09 AM by Dobson
I slapped it around for a little, but then it gave me a look i didn't like so i pistol whipped it for awhile...actually it was set the trap and wait for the "whack"" sound in the middle of the night |
Posted 11-14-2003 10:20 AM by bad3appels
quote: Bad is wondering..... why are you always too tired to typ or comment? late me guess,you are an alien..aren`t you? |
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Posted 11-14-2003 12:35 PM by ukspacegirl
Hey Rebels - Dobson, that's a sad story about the mouse-raider in your house. Our cat caught a mouse once and he was teasing it in the little front garden outside the house - we had every kid in the street making a noise.. eventually one of our neighbours took the mouse down to the canal to set it free, and it bit her finger. I saw a girl at the bus-stop the other night holding a mouse-trap - it looked like a Kentucky Fried Chicken box with a hole in the top.. just an odd little image for a story somewhere.. Why did you have to put it in a jersey?(kidding. You know in the UK that means jumper/sweater, don't you?) Are you from NY, then? Jayta, Kathy, Mone, Bad, Snicker, Lori, any other regulars I forgot.. I got Dune on DVD today.. will post back when I've watched it. I'm reading 'Vernon God Little' and it's unputdownable.. teen angst at it's funniest! Sad too, tho.. Max N Tess 4 Eva! I watched 'Ch-ch-changes' today. What was it about, really? Why couldn't Liz embrace her alien-ness? I think I would have.. but then, the power to melt plates isn't going to have many practical applications.
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Posted 11-14-2003 02:19 PM by Mone
Ewwww, I'm still hiding! Poor Dobsie.
quote: She's couldn't embrace Max's alien-ness either. I saw a few minutes of this episode and I didn't really understand what was going on. She looked into the mirror and couldn't see her own face - it was blurred or something. Is this an alien POWER? What would it be good for? Methinks the writers or special effects people were seeing kind of blurry stuff themselves if you know what I mean. |
Posted 11-14-2003 02:44 PM by Dobson
quote: Nope, Canada |
Posted 11-14-2003 02:51 PM by Snicker
quote: Ooh, pistol whipping? Wonder what that might entail. quote:I was just gonna say. If she can't handle Max's alien sides, how will she ever deal with her own. uk: Yeah I've heard the cats play with the mice are pure instict and that they have no idea that they are making the mouse suffer. Doesn't make it easier to just stand by and watch though, despite your mother telling you to let nature run its course. Nature is cruel. |
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Posted 11-14-2003 03:26 PM by ukspacegirl
How about some pretty pictures? IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=6e3f6f71-11aa-46e9-4a26-47d77b0a6724&size= IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=fc7024df-7087-b674-2104-772a28ab5d36&size= IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=27761869-31c8-3714-705a-2eda479514b8&size= IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=1a3dec8f-3efe-5387-5150-1c62a165ea40&size= IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=1e735120-5ab7-73d8-4930-43c514f17f83&size=
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Posted 11-14-2003 03:48 PM by ukspacegirl
I found some more.
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Max & Tess = (sigh..) pretty.. |
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Posted 11-14-2003 03:54 PM by Dobson
Now that last picture shows how inconsistent the writing was...Tess laid there for hours , feeling her childs sickness along with him, max sitting worried about her..we saw that, no way was that a mindwarp....the baby being sick was real at first, a reason they had to leave so quickly..in s3 it was changed into a mindwarp so they could say it was human and ship that litle plotline out of the show.... ETA: It's sad that no fan base really got what they wanted from the show... [ 11-14-2003: Message edited Dobson ] |
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Posted 11-14-2003 09:54 PM by Algieba
Dobson. I always wondered what Max and Isabel's alien mom meant at the end of the mommygram when she told them she longed to hold them in her arms once again. That sounded to me as if she thought the hybrids were really her children, not just clones. Why would she care to hold them once again if they were not actually her children, Zan and Vilandra? And again means to repeat an action you've already done before. How could she say she wanted to do something she'd done before if the hybrids were actually just copies of her real children. You can't hold someone in your arms again if you've never held them in your arms before and I mean the real someones, not just a copy of them. It goes back to the question of what is meant by the word essence. I think, in season one, they were trying to give the impression that the hybrids were the true royals with new, improved bodies. Maybe later they decided to move away from that idea, but I definitely got the impression that alien mom meant it when she said, "You've lived before." |
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Posted 11-15-2003 07:57 AM by Dobson
It's nice to know i'm not the only one who saw it that way Algieba |
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Posted 11-15-2003 08:00 AM by Dobson
couple of things i got of my clan board How to be a successful evil overlord
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Posted 11-15-2003 09:17 AM by ukspacegirl
I love the 'How to be a successful evil Overlord.' My favourite is No. 98. '98. If an attractive young couple enters my realm, I will carefully monitor their activities. If I find they are happy and affectionate, I will ignore them. However, if circumstances have forced them together against their will and they spend all their time bickering and criticizing each other except during the intermittent occasions when they are saving each other' lives at which point there are hints of sexual tension, I will immediately order their execution.' That's my kind of Evil Overlord! |
Posted 11-15-2003 09:35 AM by Mone
quote: So this isn't what English usually looks like? And I was just going to look up the words in my dictionary... Kidding. You do realize that this might only be true for internet folks because they are used to reading and understanding comments like MXa+&tssE4evr!!?!§!...? |
Posted 11-15-2003 10:49 AM by ukspacegirl
quote: Wrod! Ttha's hte sorty of my lfei... Kidding. It's funny, but it does make a skim-reading kind of sense.. isn't the human brain a wonderful thing.. I'm researching Rock Stars (because of JB's new role). I have a DVD of The Doors best performances, and Michael Hutchence on CD.. I wonder what kind of rock star JB will be? ( a beautiful, tormented one, that's for certain..) I can just see Tess as the long-suffering girlfriend.. and Almost Famous is one of my fave movies. (No surprises there, then..)
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Posted 11-15-2003 10:56 AM by Tess Shipper Whore
OMG, it's the evil overlord list! Yay! (By the way, have any of you read the Harry Potter books? If so, I have a surprise for you!) And just to keep this on topic.....Yay, pictures! And I think you all missed my post on the bottom of the last page. |
Posted 11-15-2003 11:34 AM by Kathy W
quote: When your cat leaves said mouse right where your foot will go when you exit your car...yeah. You put your foot down on something kinda squishy, life pauses for a second while you wonder what on Earth you just stepped on, and then the little skull goes crunch. Then you look down, horrified, while your kids dance around you as if you were a maypole, alternately disgusted and fascinated. (True story. Ick. ) You are so lucky that your cat will chase mice in your house. Ours won't. She'll chase them outside and deliver them to our doorstep dead as doornails, but inside she just plays with them a bit, yawns, and goes to sleep.
quote: I think it was about Liz getting powers and Liz popping off at Max about Tess. I really can't blame Liz for freaking out at her sudden ability to melt plates. That must have been very frightening, all the more so because she couldn't control it. And....
quote: True. Neither could Max. And if the hybrids, who knew they were hybrids, had a hard time embracing their alien-ness, I can't expect Liz, who never expected to be anything other than human, to do much better. I didn't get the disappearing face either. I know they were trying to show that Liz was developing powers, but I think that "manisfestation" was off the mark. I liked her fizzling the radio with Kyle; that was a good demonstration of alien powers based on what we've seen in the past. Also liked the green sparking and her starting the fire. I didn't understand the face bit at all, unless they meant to convey that her vision was affected, which is possible because they also had her hearing affected. I'm mixed on having her hearing affected. Michael's hearing was affected when he was drunk, but it became more acute.
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Posted 11-15-2003 02:03 PM by ukspacegirl
quote: Yes, Kathy - it felt like the alien stuff reminded her a lot of Tess and what happened with Max, so Liz got angry about the whole 'alien changes' thing because it was something she perhaps didn't want to think about. I think the 'face disappearing in the mirror' reflects ( ) Liz feeling that she was losing her identity because of her involvement in alien business. I still think - for me as a character, that developing alien powers might be very cool. I'd definitely want Max to bring his healing stones and see what happened.. it can't have been much fun generating all that green electricity - I mean, that's what happened to Isabel when she got shot / and short-circuited.. so it was meant to convey that something serious was happening to Liz.. I wonder, if she hadn't been so mad at Max, how her powers might have developed then? I know the whole arc thing for those episodes was about Liz finding her independence without Max. They're not my favourite epis, tho. (I still have to watch 'Chant Down Babylon' from behind the sofa.. metaphorically speaking.. tho I approve of Max looking like a Tennessee Williams hero in his black pyjamas. ) |
Posted 11-15-2003 07:32 PM by Kathy W
quote: Ooooh, good one! I never thought of that. I'd love some alien powers , just as long as I could predict them and control them. I'd be very put out if they messed up my Harvard interview for me. (Yeah, like what Harvard interview? )
quote: Do you think that's why her powers intensified when she was around Max? Because she was mad at him? Or was it just sheer proximity to another sparking creature? I wonder if the same thing would have happened if she were near Michael or Isabel.
quote: *Sigh* And the black turtleneck from Panacea. If we could just get Max in his black turtleneck and Tess in her blue turtleneck from OTM together in one photo...*sigh*. |
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Posted 11-16-2003 02:44 AM by ukspacegirl
Morning Rebels! Kathy, that would be - a very pretty picture! They both looked adorable. TSW - what's this about Harry Potter? I saw 'Igby Goes Down' this week,and Igby wears a Harry Potter scarf! Algeiba, Jayta, Dobs, Mone, Lori, BBL. |
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Posted 11-16-2003 07:36 AM by Snicker
Hi Rebels! I've got work in half an hour so this'll be a quickie. Gotta use the upstairs computer where everyone is because the computer store has hogged mine to "fix" it. Yeah right. It always comes back with more faults than it had before. Anyway, I just wanted to post some pics of Emilie. I know these belongs in the Emilie forum but well, I never post there so it would feel wierd. There's no Jason in there so it's not even a little Rebelly but I could edit them later and write Max loves Tess in the corbers. Just wanted to post them cause she looks so gorgeous. It's form a show called the Handler, which I've never watched btw. Doesn't air in Sweden. Too bad, I would have loved to see this episode. *sigh* Anyway, caps are made by Vera and they are hosted at Zia's site Stormy Skies. IMAGE: us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/3f7bdea7_31e/bc/Emilie+DeRavin+-+The+Handler/__sr_/H-1.jpg?bcyj4t_ALOJNTBLP IMAGE: us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/3f7bdea7_31e/bc/Emilie+DeRavin+-+The+Handler/__sr_/H-2.jpg?bci24t_AtfF0OWa_ IMAGE: us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/3f7bdea7_31e/bc/Emilie+DeRavin+-+The+Handler/__sr_/H-3.jpg?bci24t_A7unMkK4I IMAGE: us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/3f7bdea7_31e/bc/Emilie+DeRavin+-+The+Handler/__sr_/H-4.jpg?bci24t_Ah6EpDhap IMAGE: us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/3f7bdea7_31e/bc/Emilie+DeRavin+-+The+Handler/__sr_/H-5.jpg?bci24t_Ar0Kgk9WB IMAGE: us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/3f7bdea7_31e/bc/Emilie+DeRavin+-+The+Handler/__sr_/H-6.jpg?bci24t_AM5u5FuxD
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Posted 11-16-2003 02:29 PM by Kathy W
Whaaaa! I can't see the pictures! I'll try again later. |
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Posted 11-16-2003 03:07 PM by ukspacegirl
Hi Snicker! I can't see the pics either.. Kathy Just watched Dune.. all 3 hours of Kyle McLachlan - it was good.. |
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Posted 11-16-2003 03:36 PM by ukspacegirl
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Posted 11-16-2003 06:23 PM by Algieba
Hi, Tess Shipper Whore. I went back and read your post at the end of the last page. There were two things that gave me that hmmm.... feeling. The first was your comment about Mone's comment about the healing scene with Max and Tess. I had always thought that was a Liz and Max scene too. But now I see it differently. Max is bruised and bleeding. Tess quietly heals him and then steps back. I thought that was so sweet of her. Everyone is questioning him and all excited but Tess thinks first of his pain and discomfort and gently makes it all better. No fan fare. No calling attention to herself. Just fixes the hurt. And she's suppose to be so evil. Max doesn't even say thank you or look at her. But Liz notices. I think the expression on her face says a lot. She looked like she suddenly realized that Tess cares about Max and can take care of him better than she can. The second thought was about the under the bleachers scene. I liked it that he could cry in front of Tess. He wasn't trying to hide it until the others showed up. He could let his real feelings show with her and not be embarrassed. [ 11-16-2003: Message edited Algieba ] |
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Posted 11-16-2003 07:13 PM by ukspacegirl
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Posted 11-17-2003 01:08 AM by Snicker
*sigh* Hating this. Seeme like the only account I can link to that other people than myself can actually view, is bomspeed. And they only offer 1000 kB. Isn't there any other account out there you don't have to pay to use, and that allows linking of course? Re-posting with boomspeed this time.
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Posted 11-17-2003 02:49 AM by ukspacegirl
Hi Snicker! I can see your EdR caps now, and they're beautiful! Thank you!
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Posted 11-17-2003 07:27 AM by Snicker
quote:Eeew! That sounds like something you don't forget quite so easily. IMAGE: www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/uhoh.gif
quote:Oh he won't chase them in teh house, he just brings them inside and drops them on the kitchen floor, expecting to et a treat for his stunning performance. Hrmf.. We've only ever had one mouse in the house and of course it had to make a home underneath my bedroom floor. Every night it ran around down there keeping me awake until dad found the hole it used to get in. Crepy was what it was. I kept imagining this huge rat that would eventually bite its way up through the floor and I wold wake with it leaning over my face with its jaws wide open. *shudder*
quote:Ehe, you sure? Sounds like a picture you mom would make you take, dressing up her children in matching clothes, thinking they're looking smart for the Christmas card they'll send out to all relatives. uk: Aaw thanks for posting that perfect cap from Hom with Max and tess sitting on his bed trying to remembe. They look so at peace and so in love in that pic. No "outsider" could argue that one. **saving to my permanent collection** Oh and also, a friend of mine burned 'Igby goes down' and sent it to me some time ao but I never got around watching it. Is it any good?
quote:*sniff sniff* I never saw it in quite that light before. That first description of Ask Not, speaks volumes about Tess and her feelings, and that second one from ITLAITB is real moving. Max had gotten much more comfortable around Tess than I had realised. I suppose he had finally gotten it through his brain that Tess was someone who would love and support him unconditionally. Someone who was always on his side, nomatter what side he was on. Sweet. |
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Posted 11-17-2003 09:14 AM by bad3appels
those pictures are really beautyfull,ooh, i take that back,emilie is beautyfull |
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Posted 11-17-2003 11:04 AM by ukspacegirl
Rebels ! Snicker, yes, Igby Goes Down is an excellent film. I liked it anyway ! Great performances, and apparently even tho it was a low budget indie people were falling over themselves to get a part in it. Burr Steers, who wrote and directed, was in 'Pulp Fiction' and studied acting with Jeff Goldblum. It's worth watching! Have to run.. be back later. |
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Posted 11-17-2003 11:38 AM by Mone
Hi Rebels! Good to see you. *loves the Emilie pictures* She's so pretty. And blonde. Snicker, you can totally post on the EdR board, honey. We don't bite.
quote: I could watch Kyle MacLachlan for days.
quote: I agree that the hybrids were definitely supposed to be the same people. Lightning will probably strike me again but I can easily link this to the religion I grew up with: Christians believe that only the body dies but the soul lives on because the body is only a disposable earthly thing and the soul is what makes a person a person. IMO the Roswell writers were trying to establish that the Antarians found a way to "conserve" the soul by putting it in a new body and thus bringing back the dead. Of course we don't know how good or flawless that Antarian method was and whether Mommy's speech was based on a lot of wishful thinking. I think the Destiny message was that they had lived a whole life before and that they had been murdered at a young age due to a war. I liked the idea of taking a look at how a person would behave or change after being murdered and I liked taking a look at the whole until-death-parts-us business by linking Ava/Zan and Rath/Vilandra romantically.
quote: ...she was regularly helping at her parents' restaurant. Try to explain the disappearing plates to Mom & Dad and curious customers!
quote: Word, Algieba. Tess gently takes care of Max's physical pain and he ignores it. Liz must wonder here whether Tess could also take care of his emotional (alien-related) pain much better than her - simply because she knows, feels and understands it more than Liz. And I think Liz wonders why Max also ignores the help that Tess has to offer emotionally (by simply talking about the alien business, sharing their fears and hopes and their memories). Liz is not stupid - she must realize that Max going La-la-la-I-only-care-about-Liz-la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you is only 50 % about her and 50 % about him being scared and trying very hard to hold on to a normal life. |
Posted 11-17-2003 03:19 PM by ukspacegirl
quote: Mone, ITA. For Mr -I-just-want-to-be-a-regular-human in-denial Max, Liz represents human normality. Tess represents the 'big bad'(not Spike, ) the alien chaos and stuff way too big to get hold of.. exotic and interesting, yes, and lots of alien emotions (in more than one sense..) Max was half human half alien, so it must have been a battle to see which part of him would win in the end. Bottom line, he couldn't pretend, or wish away, the alien side of him that Tess represented. And it was proved time and again that a part of Max longed for this alien side. I wish we'd seen more of Max's alien-ness.
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Posted 11-18-2003 08:36 AM by Dobson
quote: That's all you think about, isn't it uk, max's alien-ness
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Posted 11-18-2003 09:47 AM by jayta
New chapter guys! No time to post link though... you know where it is! |
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Posted 11-18-2003 10:18 AM by Mone
Speaking of funny Rebel thread titles... If Tess is Darth Vader and Max is Dark Pecs, then Max is the hilarious poor man's version of Tess? Works for me! |
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Posted 11-18-2003 12:27 PM by blueangel9903
Just wanted to drop by and say hi. It's been awhile. I love those Emilie pics! She's so pretty! I love her long straight hair. Oh, and Dobs, I hope you've recovered from your tramatic rodent experience. I'm sure you will see it in hell Evil man... |
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Posted 11-18-2003 01:43 PM by Moonlight Serenade
hey guys I just want to say that you came up with a great title. I love the SW references |
Posted 11-18-2003 06:43 PM by ukspacegirl
quote: Dobs Well, yeah... he's my alien boo, and don't anybody forget it.. Royal sceptre, huh? Antarian princes.. (shakes head..) Mone - you are funny.. poor Maxie.. Tell him to come (right away!!) and visit with his UK mama and we'll take care of all those naughty people who've been teasing him.. Blue! Hi! Guys, I've been doing my Rock Star research, and I've been watching The Doors in concert.. JB has an uncanny resemblance to Jim Morrison.. he's gonna be such a rockin' rock star! ETA - Jayta, Moonlight, Kathy, Snicker.. [ 11-18-2003: Message edited ukspacegirl ] |
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Posted 11-18-2003 06:50 PM by jayta
Okay. Now that I have more time.... Here is the link: Cookie dough? Where's the cookie dough? |
Posted 11-18-2003 06:51 PM by jayta
quote: He's such a hottie! I love him...could watch him for days! I love his accent. He was great in Dune...I also liked the girl playing Ghanima! [ 11-18-2003: Message edited jayta ] |
Posted 11-18-2003 07:06 PM by Kathy W
quote: "Royal scepter"? And I thought I'd heard them all.
quote: And what would all the Antarian relatives think if they got that Christmas card in the mail? Thanks for the Emilie pics! The first two are my favorites. blueangel: Hi! jayta: I come bearing cookie dough. You get half, I get half. But we have to wash our hands before we start typing again. Here I just got caught up, and there's another chapter! Great timing. Max is quite sure of himself now, isn't he? That's good to see. And I was absolutely not surprised that Tess was a good fighter. moonlight: Glad you like the title. |
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Posted 11-18-2003 07:44 PM by Algieba
I enjoy the pictures so much. Especially showing the tender scenes between Max and Tess. It's interesting, Mone, that you bring up the notion that the writers might have been trying to say that Antarians had found a way to conserve the soul by putting it in a new body. Isn't that sort of what happened in season three with Max and Clayton? I think we were suppose to believe that Max, in trying to heal Clayton, ends up with his soul or essence transferred into Clayton's body. I agree with Michael. That kind of creeps me out. Could it be instead that it was really that Max's body and soul and Clayton's soul becamed entwined when Clayton's aged body could not tolerate the power of the healing energy and it was his body, not Max's that crumbled to dust on the floor? Same thing happened with Liz. Max stated he couldn't heal her grandmother because it was a natural death but he could heal Liz because she had died before her time. Unlike the royal four, Liz didn't need a new body because her own body was not damaged beyond repair. This leads to a possible conclusion that Max had some special ability that allowed him to not die before his time and to prevent others from doing so also. His soul was able to hang around while it tried to claim what was rightfully it's own, first when Kivar killed him and again when Clayton forced him to use his power to do something he could not do without endangering his own life. I wonder if Ava, Vilandra and Rath had this ability too or did Zan's healing powers save them? Their death was similar to Liz's death. Their lives were taken from them before their time. It wasn't supposed to happen so perhaps there was a time period in which their lives could be restored. I would think there would be some moral taboo preventing the takeover of another body, so suitable, uninhabited bodies were formed and Zan, Ava, Vilandra and Rath became Max, Tess, Isabel and Michael. I'm not sure where the Dupes fit into this scenario. Were they somehow flawed and unable to absorb the essence of the royal four, thus becoming totally separate individuals? |
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Posted 11-18-2003 07:59 PM by Shell_belle
I love the Emilie pictures. She's gorgeous! I'm all for the Rebel loving! |
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Posted 11-18-2003 11:35 PM by Diosa
Hey, Diosa! Did you have your holiday yet? (Diwali? Divali?) As I recall, it was around this time. I just saw this Kathy...yes Divali was a few days before Halloween. I missed it though. I'm in New York, instead of diyas I had trick or treaters, they were adorable though.
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Posted 11-18-2003 11:58 PM by Citrus and Vine
Algieba, I always enjoy your discussions so much! I think the duplicates were like twins. Identical twins, as everyone probably already knows, are naturally occurring clones. Each identical twin has the same genetic identity. Likewise, I think New York Zan was a twin to Max; New York Rath and Michael were genetic twins, etc. Twins differ in some ways. They are separate individuals. They have their own identities. They each have their own separate, non-identical set of fingerprints. Some people would also say each twin has his/her own essence or soul. I think Zan of Antar’s essence was imbued into Max’s body. I think New York Zan had a separate identity/soul/essence from Max. Max passed the emissary’s test. Max carried the real essence of Zan of Antar. New York Zan did not carry the essence of Zan of Antar. When New York Zan died, the seal of Antar did not pass on to Rath, the way the seal of Antar passed on to Michael, after Max died. IMAGE: members.fortunecity.co.uk/orion27/3/wdking/wdmking212.jpg
I think Max’s essence transferred to Clayton’s body during the healing process. I think Max was so intent on healing Clayton, he was unaware of what was happening to his own body. I think Max used a template of his own cells to revitalize Clayton, and that is the reason Clayton looked the way Max had. Clayton’s memories and identity remained after he was healed. Clayton died, after he fell from the window. Max died, too. I think it’s possible that Isabel was next in line to receive the seal of Antar, since she was the Royal daughter of the lady who gave the message in the cave. Since Isabel was near death shortly after Max died, I think the seal of Antar bypassed Isabel, and then passed on to Michael. (Tess had left the planet, so she was not available to receive the seal; alternatively, she might have been fourth in line to receive it.) I enjoyed reading your ideas on how the essences of the Royal Four might have been maintained, even after their deaths on Antar had transpired. I think that the Antarian portion of the mixture that went to create Max, Isabel, Michael, and Tess carried the essence of who they were in their previous lives. I think the Dupes did not receive the essence portion in the mixture that comprised them. I think the Dupes had the identical genetic material to Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess, but not their essences. I also enjoyed your earlier post about whether or not the Royal Four were the same beings they had been on Antar. I think they were, too. I think the difference to me is that they also became new people, by virtue of living in a new time and place. For example, we have memories of our younger selves, but we are also different from when we were 3 or 4 years old. Our experiences make us different from who we were previously. I think Max, Tess, and the others would have been more in touch with their Antarian identities, if things had gone as originally planned. With the crash of the spaceship, the death of some of the individuals aboard, and the defection of Nasedo and Kal Langley from the original mission, the means of accessing their Antarian memories seems to have been denied to the Royal Four. Whitaker was surprised that they didn’t know their past, and so was Nicholas, I think. Tess said that Nasedo taught her some memory retrieval techniques, but really Tess had very few memories of Antar, herself, or Max. I think Nasedo did not teach Tess correctly, either because he didn’t want her to find her real memories or because he didn’t know how to teach her correctly. I think it was probably the original intent of those who sent them that they should know all their lives all about their previous lives on Antar. Like you Algieba, I think Max and Isabel’s Antarian mom expected that they would still be her son and daughter, when they returned to Antar. I thought it would make for an interesting story, if one day they woke up and remembered all about their pasts on Antar. Thanks again for your ideas Algieba and everyone! [ 11-19-2003: Message edited Citrus and Vine ] |
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Posted 11-19-2003 07:07 AM by ukspacegirl
Rebels and visitors! Citrus and Vine - nice to see your theories. When my head is less kerplooied I'll write what I think about the alien soul/essence question. It's a fascinating one, definitely. I was out late last night with some of the guys from my writing group! Maybe my head will feel better later..
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Posted 11-19-2003 07:08 AM by Dobson
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Posted 11-19-2003 12:35 PM by jayta
quote: Awwwwwwwww Mooooom do I have to? All right. *shows sparkling clean hands* See! Clean! I guess that *was* good timing on my part then eh? I don't know if you'll like this next part then....it's kind of a back and forth kind of emotion with Max... |
Posted 11-19-2003 12:36 PM by jayta
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Posted 11-19-2003 06:21 PM by Kathy W
Part 33 is up. (And Vanda's already been there! Thanks, Vanda! )
quote: Nah. I always like Max, whether he's being steady and stalwart or going back and forth. Or up and down. Or sideways. Or.....
quote: Absolutely. It's hard to feel connected to or responsible for a place or people you don't remember.
quote: Greer also commented on that. So many of the Skins commented on that that I got the impression the hybrids were expected to remember, and didn't for some reason. In addition to other theories, perhaps something went wrong with the hybridization process? How many Antarian/Human hybrids had they successfully made before? Or are we looking at "Zan 1.0" with all attendant bugs?
quote: I have always wondered how much Tess actually remembered vs. how much she knew just from being raised by Nasedo. For example, I can tell my parent's stories from the WWII almost as well as they can even though that was years before I was born. I've heard the stories so much they seem real to me.
quote: "Essence" or no "essence" (however one defines that concept), I don't see how they could ever be their former selves without their memories. They may share personality traits and habits with their former selves, but I don't see how Max could be Zan without Zan's memories. Ditto for the others.
quote: I have long suspected that might happen. And I'd love to be there when it does. Question: If the pod squad houses the "essences" of the Royal 4, does that mean that Isabel had Vilandra's true essence? Which might mean that Lonnie's scheming, murdering ways were not necessarily indicative of Vilandra's personality? Beautiful pictures, BTW. My kids loved them. [ 11-19-2003: Message edited Kathy W ] |
Posted 11-19-2003 10:40 PM by Citrus and Vine
quote: Right. I think when Max said to Tess that it was hard to believe that Lonnie and Rath had the same DNA of Michael and Isabel, it showed that Max saw major differences between the two groups. IMAGE: members.fortunecity.co.uk/orion27/2/maxcity/maxcty197.jpg Tess didn’t trust Lonnie and Rath. Lonnie and Rath seemed to lack consciences. They killed Zan and tried to kill Max. Lonnie was going to go to Antar without Rath. I think Nicholas told Lonnie about Vilandra’s supposed betrayal. (The Vilandra betrayal story seems to be a Skins and Kivar story. Whitaker told the story to Isabel.) I think Lonnie behaved the way she thought Vilandra had behaved on Antar. Being raised without loving, nurturing guidance seems to have resulted in the murderous beings Rath and Lonnie grew to be. [ 11-19-2003: Message edited Citrus and Vine ] |
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Posted 11-20-2003 01:04 PM by Dobson
nothing to post as you ladies have said it all for me. we must have a group delusional thing going |
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Posted 11-20-2003 04:22 PM by ukspacegirl
Dobson, yep, that's us - Shiny Happy Rebel People..
quote: Lonnie said to Isabel that the Podsters were the 'rejects' and the Dupes were the real Royal 4, because they had more alien DNA - I have to go back to the epi to get the quote - But I think the dupes were only ready to murder because of their 'street-rat' early lives. As Kathy once pointed out, being ready to kill to survive is just as much a human characteristic as an alien one. I went to a fancy Astrological seminar this year and we touched briefly on the subject of twins. There is a theory that twins can 'share' an astrological profile - one has the extravert, the other the interavert qualities, for example - until they separate, then each of them will 'reclaim' 'the part their twin was 'living out' for them. As the Dupes and the Podsters were never raised as twins, their personalities and qualities developed independently. (I wonder if Zan ever murdered anyone?) He seems to have had a lot in common with Max, actually, his reservations about trusting strangers, his absoluteness when challenged. I think the Dupes were meant to show us the extreme qualities of Michael, Isabel, etc. Ava's independent quality was interesting - Tess was independent too, but Ava was able to go into the world on her own, where the thing Tess wanted, IMO, was to belong somewhere. It's late here.. I need to sleep. Listening to Radiohead and Jim Morrison still. Obsessed with Rock Legends (sigh..)
Jayta, honey, could you post the link to your new chapter.. I seem to have misplaced it..
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Posted 11-20-2003 07:06 PM by Kathy W
quote: Many things are more fun in a group. Like being delusional.
quote: Michael remembered a different version, with Khivar telling Vilandra he wanted peace, and her letting him in under a white flag, whereupon he promptly misbehaved. Khivar himself referred to "one terrible night", or something like that, when his lover was killed. (Interruptus) He made it sound like an "oops!". ukspacegirl: I'm assuming you've been keeping up with the news of fans who are extras in JB's new movie? Dreamer4Ever might get to be an extra too! She was on the set and she got to meet Jason--she posted on the POD thread on page 7 about that. I'm off to read AlienWendy's story about her time as an extra! |
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Posted 11-20-2003 07:36 PM by Citrus and Vine
About Kivar…
Kivar said, “Don't make her kill you again. It would feel redundant.” Max replied, “She wouldn’t.” Kivar said, “She did before.” Michael responded, “No, she didn't. I remember something. You led Kivar into the city with his men, but he convinced you that he wanted peace. He said he wasn't going kill anybody, that he was there to call a truce. And once you helped him gain access, he killed all of us. You didn't kill us, Isabel. He did. He betrayed you.” So Kivar blamed Isabel for the deaths on Antar. He even said she killed them. After Michael remembered what really happened, Kivar had no response. |
Posted 11-21-2003 03:45 AM by ukspacegirl
quote: Absolutely, Kathy! Soo exciting.. Yeah, C&V, Kivar was such a badass.. you couldn't believe a word he said.. A Shakespearean baddie - intrigue, deciet, murder, betrayal, then to blame it all on Vilandra.. what a man, hey?
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Posted 11-21-2003 01:13 PM by Dobson
one fricken episode we get of kivar, and it's crashing a wedding |
Posted 11-21-2003 02:22 PM by jayta
quote: Here it is again! I hope you enjoy! |
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Posted 11-21-2003 03:37 PM by ukspacegirl
Thanks Jayta (runs off to read) Yes, that Kivar - the face that launched a thousand treacheries, mwahaha.. I've been watching Sinbad Legend of the Seven Seas but - in spite of Brad Pitt voicing Sinbad, I don't like cartoons!! I need to watch some Roswell. Any suggestions as to which epi? For future discussion, of course!
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Posted 11-21-2003 04:19 PM by Citrus and Vine
quote: um-um-um... I'm no help. I love them all! Thanks for all the caps you make! |
Posted 11-21-2003 09:15 PM by Kathy W
quote: Me too! I found this on a list of UC shippers: POD's - Protectors Of Destiny (Max/Tess & Michael/Isabel) Excellent! I can be a POD here and a POD there. |
Posted 11-21-2003 11:02 PM by shapeshifter
quote:Possibly this is owing to the genetic engineering (rather than a "right"?) And maybe, if this were true, Tess would rise like a phoenix from the fires of the military base. Perhaps even reincarnated on Antar. And, if this were true, would Dupe Zan be there too? And what would Dupe Zan and Tess think of each other? [ 11-22-2003: Message edited shapeshifter ] |
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Posted 11-22-2003 02:28 AM by Mone
Hi there! Just a fly-by to let you guys know that I enjoy reading all your posts. I'll be back with my thoughts later. Or maybe not - my Buffy S1/S3 DVDs just arrived. Wheeeeeee! |
Posted 11-22-2003 05:59 AM by ukspacegirl
quote: Shapeshifter, I wrote a fic about Zan and Tess.. in LA, not on Antar though! It's called 'Destiny and Desire' - and it just got wiped from the Fanatics board... I will be reposting it at some point! Mone - yay Buffy! Nice to see you anyway. I will also BBL.. |
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Posted 11-22-2003 09:50 AM by Lori R
It's me again....slinking in and being wowed by the comments being made. C and V I've enjoyed reading your thoughts I wish I had more time to come here. I love this thread. Lori |
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Posted 11-22-2003 01:27 PM by ukspacegirl
Hey Rebels. Okay, I think I have to watch MITC again, if only for the scene where Max runs through the tunnels looking for Tess. Kathy - POD - preserver of Destiny? I like that.. I found a site with online scripts, that has a 3rd draft of TSN (I know it's not Rebel,but it's such fun). Iposted some cut scenes over on the JB Obsessie board..
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Posted 11-22-2003 10:24 PM by Stefy
Hey! I just came in to tell you guys that I like your thread title. It's really funny and cute. |
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Posted 11-23-2003 07:21 AM by Dobson
The show really couldn't finish anything it started |
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Posted 11-23-2003 08:44 AM by ukspacegirl
Hola, Dobson! ITA. There’s a world of difference between ‘leave ‘em wanting more’ and the ‘WTF!?!’ factor that was so often Roswell. You got me thinking. Of course, everybody knows what an extremely low opinion I have of the ‘Tess was secretly plotting her evil schemes and it-was-all-a-mind-warp’ theories. Yeah, Riiight. It was more a ‘desperately seeking a way to let Max stay with Liz in-spite-of-the-fact-that-the girl-who-REALLY-loves him-and-who-happens-to-be-his-real-wife-is-having-his baby’ thing. The fact that TPTB let Tess go to Antar, pregnant and alone, is one of the most heinous things they did on Roswell. I don’t believe Max would have let her go. Absolutely not. In spite of the finger-tapping thing. Kivar didn’t want Max dead. He just wanted to get him in his power. Mwa ha ha.. AND, very importantly, as Kivar had the power to transport down and inhabit any human body he wanted, if he really wanted Max dead, there was nothing to stop him taking over some poor fool and murdering Max.. he could have done it at Isabel’s wedding reception if he wanted, or in La Jolla.. catching Michael and Max on Isabel’s honeymoon.. I had a sudden (not funny, actually, yikes) vision of Brodie climbing in through Max’s window, a dagger between his teeth.. (poor old Brodie, hey?) And why did Kivar have to lure Isabel out to the lawn to the transporter beam? Surely he could have sent it down anywhere and snatched Isabel at any time.. (okay, not such a good theory. And don’t call me Shirley..)
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Posted 11-23-2003 01:30 PM by Citrus and Vine
I think the reason Kivar originally wanted Max on Antar was to use Max. Nicholas outlined what Kivar wanted. He said that Max should convince his (Zan of Antar’s) followers to lay down their weapons. Kivar wanted Max to be king in name only. He wanted Max to get his supporters to support the new government, which would remain under Kivar’s control. Using Max to make Kivar’s rule easier was the only reason for keeping Max alive for a brief period of time. After that, Max would be expendable. As Nicholas stated to Lonnie, a nice public execution would follow. After Tess went to Antar without Max, Kivar knew that he couldn’t use Max the way he had hoped. Max now knew Kivar’s true intentions for him. So the question you raised—why didn’t Kivar kill Max when he went to Earth—is worth considering. Kivar’s objective in going to Earth was to bring back Isabel. I think his goal was to produce a royal heir by her. Tess’ child by Max had been unsuitable, because their child was human. I don’t know if Kivar considered having a child by Tess for his purposes. If he didn’t, it could be because Tess, while royal, was not a direct descendent, like Zan and Vilandra of Antar. Alternatively, Tess might have refused Kivar’s advances, preferring to protect baby Zan. Kivar devoted his entire course of action on Earth to getting Isabel to go with him back to Antar. He called Isabel “Vilandra”. It was Vilandra who Kivar now wanted on Antar. Kivar didn’t seek out Lonnie, even though she would have gone to Antar willingly, because Lonnie didn’t have Vilandra’s essence. Only Isabel had Vilandra’s essence. Max and Michael did not represent any threat to Kivar’s power, because they were on Earth where they had no power base. They also didn’t remember their past lives on Antar. Max and Michael had no way to go to Antar. The Granolith was gone. The reconstructed spaceship was useless. Max and Michael were Earth-bound. Possibly Kivar could have killed Max and/or Michael during his visit. However, I think doing so, before he got Isabel to go with him, would have been counterproductive to Kivar’s plans. If Kivar killed them before he got Isabel to go with him, Isabel would probably be so angry and so grief-stricken that she would refuse to go with him. Kivar wanted to use Isabel for his purposes. If Isabel didn’t trust Kivar, then he couldn’t use her the way he wanted to. Possibly Kivar could have killed Max and Michael, once he got Isabel into the stream that opened for their return. Once Isabel couldn’t see what was happening behind her, Kivar could perhaps use his powers and kill them. He could then enter the stream and return with Isabel. I think Kivar originally wanted the podsters back on Antar, so he could use them to improve his position on Antar. Rath described Antar as being “blood in the streets”. Nicholas’ offer from Kivar also supported the idea that there was unrest on Antar. The other summit members likewise described war-torn worlds in the Antarian planetary system. Kivar tried to get Isabel to go to Antar with him to improve his position, after his deal with Nasedo failed to work out the way he had hoped. [ 11-23-2003: Message edited Citrus and Vine ] |
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Posted 11-23-2003 02:06 PM by Citrus and Vine
You asked why did Kivar have to lure Isabel out to the lawn to the transporter beam? You say surely he could have sent it down anywhere and snatched Isabel at any time. I think it possible that Kivar needed to have Isabel docile for the new transport to take her. I think if Isabel had actively fought entering the beam, Kivar would not be able to take her. Even if the beam could take Isabel against her will, Kivar wanted to use her. If Isabel was taken to Antar against her will, she would not cooperate with Kivar to do what he wanted. Kivar wanted Isabel to think that she was going to Antar willingly. That’s why he didn’t have the beam snatch her up when he first came to Earth. He wanted Isabel to recall Vilandra’s love for him. Isabel was in the field outside the hotel, because that was part of the plan Max, Michael, and she agreed to earlier. Isabel wanted to be part of handling Kivar. The plan was for Isabel to get away from Jesse at dawn, find Kivar, and take him someplace secluded. Then they would get Kivar out of Denny Ridgeley somehow. IMAGE: members.fortunecity.co.uk/orion27/3/intrup/tn_intrupt084_jpg.jpg [ 11-23-2003: Message edited Citrus and Vine ] |
Posted 11-23-2003 03:00 PM by Mone
quote: And then they tried to finish a story in Departure and FAAAB which they never even had started. I would have blamed Colin Hanks's absence on Isabel: Isabel and Alex actually appeared on screen together (as opposed to Tess and Alex) and the Vilandra-was-evil story had at least already been established. Let Isabel/Vilandra walk on the wild side for the next season and you won't see the rabid Liz fans complaining about Isabel wedding screentime - as a villain she has to be shown plotting and scheming from time to time. Et voilà! You have an interesting villain the others are emotionally attached to and you have the pod squad dynamics change because Michael and Max are much more attached/loyal to Isabel than to Tess. So easy. Guess the writers didn't have time to think. |
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Posted 11-23-2003 06:33 PM by Dobson
They could have set Isabel up to spilt into two personalities.one good, one evil..that would have been a good storyline |
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Posted 11-23-2003 08:11 PM by Kathy W
Hi Rebels!
quote: Agreed. And it's interesting that after all these years, the name of Zan carried such weight with the Antarian people that even Khivar was forced to acknowledge that.
quote: Very plausible. That may be all Khivar ever wanted from Vilandra even on Antar--having the deposed King's sister at his side would have lent him validity then too.
quote: Ooooh, that would have been a great storyline! Isabel's memories of Vilandra come back, but she's so horrified at what she remembers that she splits, like you said. No one figures that out for awhile, and even when they do, they can't tell who's who. They're reluctant to harm her because they don't want to hurt Isabel. That one would have been good for an entire season. |
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Posted 11-24-2003 01:20 PM by Dobson
makes ya wonder why they did the things they did.. |
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Posted 11-25-2003 02:18 AM by Mone
Yup, if they absolutely had to get rid of Emilie... Why not killing Tess? That would definitely end the love triangle and make sure that no one would be "haunted" by this character anymore. Turning Tess into a betrayer had emotional impact on Max and the Valentis. The rest? Not so much. So that fell kind of flat. I don't understand why they established a new villain with Tess while knowing that Emilie wouldn't be on the show in the next season. -> insert big question mark here <- The Roswell writers are lazy, right?! Methinks that creating a villain and a backstory and then throwing said villain out of the window means that you have to establish a new villain. Which means more work. And writing. |
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Posted 11-25-2003 07:59 AM by Dobson
Not just the tess thing, but everything....i have never come across a more unfocused show..it would have a little spurt of focus and then pffftt, it would lose it [ 11-25-2003: Message edited Dobson ] |
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Posted 11-25-2003 10:41 AM by Mone
And it wasn't even good and I can't believe I watched almost two seasons of this... *hangs head in shame* |
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Posted 11-25-2003 01:37 PM by jayta
hi guys. Isn't it sad that we had to put up with all of this? *goes back to dream world where destiny did not fall off the edge of the universe* |
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Posted 11-25-2003 04:13 PM by Mone
Yup, it's time for Denial TV. |
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Posted 11-25-2003 09:47 PM by Kathy W
Part 34 is up.
quote: Not only that, but you're hanging around fan boards and talking about it. So there must have been something good about it, because I know you wouldn't be here if you disliked it completely. Anyone looked at the thread about Resurrecting Roswell? I gather "we" can all agree that Season 1 was the best. Only leave me out of "we". I'm so glad to have a thread where S2 is not only enjoyed, but felt to have addressed the bedrock of the story. And no, I don't mean the "boy who loved a girl" bit. |
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Posted 11-25-2003 11:10 PM by Citrus and Vine
everyone! Hi Kathy W! There sure are a lot of different "we's" around, talking about Roswell, aren't there! I love Season Two, also. So many wonderful things! IMAGE: members.fortunecity.co.uk/orion27/2/skin/skinbon065.jpg IMAGE: members.fortunecity.co.uk/orion27/2/asknot/askn082.jpg IMAGE: members.fortunecity.co.uk/orion27/2/asknot/askn086.jpg |
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Posted 11-26-2003 03:47 AM by Unico
Dropping by to say a quick hi! I loved Season 2 as well. I also love the last six episodes of Season 1. They had some of the best Rebel scenes ever. Of course this is one of my faves. IMAGE: www.unicohm.com/Images/Roswell-Four_Square008.jpg |
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Posted 11-26-2003 04:48 AM by ukspacegirl
Just a quick fly-by - C&V, Unico - beautiful pics. Kathy, new part, yay! BBL. |
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Posted 11-26-2003 08:41 AM by Dobson
resurrect it? <Dobson goes out back and digs up Roswell's grave(It's out back of us cause supposedly our couple killed the show so of course we would bury it in backyard..that is what murders do, correct?).. pumps a few shotgun shells into it, stabs it and kicks it a few times...as Dobson re-covers grave, hides amulets to protect against resurrection from magic, and the Alien thingy that stops alien powers from working> Let's see them bring it back now! [ 11-26-2003: Message edited Dobson ] |
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Posted 11-26-2003 11:10 AM by Mone
Dobson: My Hero.
quote: Of course you are right. But the thing with me and Roswell is that I never particularly cared for the show until I heard about the past life idea which made me watch the most boring S1 episodes only because I knew that things would get more interesting later on. And then things got more interesting - but the execution of their ideas was never that good and then I was forced to stop watching by the wildfeed summary of The Episode That Shall Not Be Named. *does the Rebel voodoo dance on Roswell's grave* So do you think that people will dare coming to our backyard to get it? Which is a loaded question... Do you think people will dare asking for a Roswell movie? Because - uh-oh - it might include a little science fiction plot and/or Zan jr. Let's face it: A movie needs a plot. It really, really does. Which network executive is willing to buy 90 minutes of staring and smooching? And if you were a tv boss, which storyline would you like to see in a movie? A random filler episode plot which is only interesting if you are already familiar with the characters or an action-packed Antar/Khivar arc? |
Posted 11-26-2003 11:19 AM by ukspacegirl
quote: Me too! Mone, I don't know about a Roswell movie. Remember The X Files movie - it was like 2 epis back-to-back - and way too much explanation and exposition. Roswell also has a lot of 'loose ends' to tie up. Do you think TPTB will let us write the script for the movie? I have some really good ideas... |
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Posted 11-26-2003 01:48 PM by LUSH
Wow. You guys are really dedicated. I used to be a die-hard Dreamer and Roswellian in general...but I lost interest half way through the third season. I can't even recall half of the episodes, never mind analyze them all! Obvsiously I know Rebels aren't the only ones still talking about the show, but I can't go near the M/L thread...too many lovey dovey poems and hearts for my taste (you guys have snark). So why am I posting this you ask? (Yeah, you did) I don't know, I think I'm going through a mid-mid-life crisis and miss my old obsessions and my fellow obsessed friends...I love you Dobson! I WOULD DIE FOR YOU! Ok...now I -know- I've been watching Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle waaaay too much (shut up, I only watch Justin Theroux's scenes). ETA: Dobs I need your mailing address so I can buy you a raccoon penis bone. [ 11-26-2003: Message edited LUSH ] |
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Posted 11-26-2003 07:49 PM by Algieba
I have been gone so long again. I'm trying to catch up. I absolutely love Roswell, every single episode (although some are extremely painful). I have never become so interested in a tv show before. I have never visited a fan forum for a tv show other than Roswell so I don't know if fans continue to chat about a show that they think is awful, disjointed, unfinished, and just plain bad, but that is what so many fans do with Roswell. They say this was awful or that was awful, why did I bother to watch and then start talking about what awful episode they're going to watch next. Is this normal behavior for fans? Since I don't go to other tv show boards, I really don't know. I think Roswell had beautiful love stories, exciting action, connections to real life situations that many can identify with, terrific actors, fantastic cinematography, perfectly matched musical background and most of all, a totally intriguing science fiction story. I know it made a lot of twists and turns and I throw pillows at my tv to vent my rage at plots that I didn't want to see happen but....I can't stop watching it. I think the idea of soulmates is terribly romantic and beautiful but I have my doubts about it. I think it is quite possible to love more than one person but a choice has to be made. I think Max loved both Tess and Liz, but in different ways. He said, "Not like I love you," in answer to Liz's question to him about Tess in Departure when she said "Do you love her?" Jayta. Thanks for the warm welcome back. I have been atrociously busy since school started back. I won what is turning out to be a dubious honor, teacher of the year for my school. After the thrill was over, I was presented with this packet of work suitable for at least two months of working till midnight nights. My only consolation is it would be impossible for me to win on a county level because I am completely blunt and honest about what I think, a trait that is not approved of by the public relations section of the judging board. So, I am content with my dozen, long-stemmed red roses and a reserved parking space right by the front of the school. Tess's powers were formidable though. Perhaps she could reconstruct her own body simply by manipulating its molecular structure. They do it all the time in the transporter beam in Star Trek. I know, it's late and I'm getting slap-happy but I do so want Tess to be alive that I'll accept any reasonable or not so reasonable solution. [ 11-26-2003: Message edited Algieba ] [ 11-26-2003: Message edited Algieba ] |
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Posted 11-26-2003 09:10 PM by Kathy W
Hi Rebels! Anyone seen the General Calendar for Roswell Fanatics? It has lovely art, plus a very nice page devoted to Tess. There are actually pictures of Tess and Max. Together. Gazing into each other's eyes and holding hands. I saw it.
quote: There certainly are. I have no problem with an assortment of "we's". I even like it that way. I only object when all the inhabitants of the known universe are included in someone else's royal "we". I have disliked being told what to think since I was 2. Ask my Mom. Unico: Hi there! I loved the end of Season 1 too. It was so exciting as they got closer to the answers they all wanted, despite how they felt about it sometimes.
quote: Oh, dear. We have an "Episode That Must Not Be Named"? I know Dreamer's do. Several, in fact. But I didn't know we did, and there are so many good candidates that I'm flummoxed. Can you just whisper it real quiet like? I know Roswell introduced a truckload of ideas that were never pursued much past their starting point, and I find that frustrating. But I feel most (although certainly not all) of them were well executed, which is precisely why I find myself missing their resolutions so much.
quote: Someone suggested a movie about Zan Jr. And I thought, uh oh. A movie that's not about a boy who loved a girl? What's up with that?
quote: ThankyouThankyou! *bows* C'mon, everyone, take a snark bow. Seriously, though--I'm a Drebel, so I like Max and Liz too, but believe me, I hear you. I enjoy the relationships, but I love Roswell primarily for the science fiction aspect, so lovey dovey ain't my style.
quote: Couldn't tell ya. I can tell you it's normal behavior for Roswell fans.
quote: *Kathy snuggles down with all her VCD's and basks in the glow of yet another 3-season fan.
quote: Oh, I'll bet it isn't. The world just doesn't appreciate we blunt and honest people. But--congratulations on your award. There must be someone out there who appreciates honesty, or you wouldn't have been picked to receive it. It's too bad it came with a deluge of work. They could've stopped at the roses and front row parking. [ 11-26-2003: Message edited Kathy W ] |
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Posted 11-27-2003 01:03 AM by Citrus and Vine
Hi Unico, ukspacegirl, Dobson, Mone, jayta, LUSH, Algieba, Kathy W, and Everyone! Kathy W quote: I agree with you entirely. I think some people like to bolster their own position by pretending to speak for everyone. Hence the “we” sometimes used to imply that everyone subscribes to a single viewpoint, one that is not “yours”. Each person posting is one individual. The attempt to make others think one person speaks for everyone is sometimes an attempt to keep others from posting differing ideas, I think. Or maybe there’s safety in numbers. I guess not many people like to stand alone against opposing ideas. Perhaps we feel stronger, if we have a group behind us.
quote: Super! No, I haven’t seen it. Where did you find it? Which pictures are they? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So great to see you, Algieba! Like you and Kathy W, I love all the episodes. quote: There are others who held your position from the beginning. I admit, I was one of those prejudiced against Tess, just for being a new element. I was surprised at the time at the number of people who defended her staunchly from her first appearance. They helped me understand what a truly difficult position Tess found herself in, coming to Roswell to meet those she already knew existed. I think you once asked if Max was choosing Tess over Liz, when he ran to rescue Tess in New York, instead of checking out whether or not Liz was really there. At that time, I didn’t really understand what you were saying. I was focused on whether or not people could distinguish reality from vision. To me, Max had already chosen Tess, when he invited her to go with him to New York. Max returned Liz’s gift to him, thus making things clear that he was no longer involved with Liz. People have also asked in the first season, if Max truly loved Liz, then why did he continue to be with her after he healed her, since he was an alien and she was not. The point being that if you love someone, you would not expose them to danger. I think we love who we love. Together, we are stronger than when we are apart. There are dangers in every life. I think you have raised points about things you would find difficult to accept in Max’s relationship with Liz. They are things that would also be hard for me to accept. For example, Liz doing things without consulting the others. I thought when Liz went to see River Dog on her own, that was a signal of possible future problems for her relationship with Max. You pointed out the inherent danger of doing things alone, like going to the Mesalika lands at night alone. In contrast, a lot of younger fans especially liked Liz’s independence and self assertiveness in searching for information on her own there. I wasn’t too worried about Liz’s safety. In my experience, life can be dangerous, even with others around. Also, sometimes people are very helpful, when you’re searching for answers. For me, I thought it would be difficult to form a relationship with someone who does things directly opposed to what you think is right. Max didn’t want Liz to go. Liz intended to go, regardless of what Max said. When you are an individual, the idea of doing what you think is right works fine. When you are a couple, I think it’s important to reach a consensus. I enjoyed Tess’ relationship with Max, because she so clearly loved him and respected him. She was willing to jump in and support him. She wanted to be with him. I’m sorry things didn’t work out for them. Max loved Tess. About the time Max was growing ever more deeply in love with Tess, she was becoming disillusioned about their relationship. Added to that was the problem that she hadn’t been open with Max about Nasedo and the translation from the beginning. Still, I understand how things like that happen. Sorry to go on and on. It probably sounds a bit like character bashing. I probably offend both Liz fans and Tess fans, without meaning to. I apologize in advance, if I’ve offended anyone’s feelings about Roswell. I also would love for Tess to survive the blast on the base. [ 11-27-2003: Message edited Citrus and Vine ] |
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Posted 11-27-2003 01:31 AM by Citrus and Vine
Congratulations Algieba! Teacher of the Year at your school! Wow! That is so IMAGE: pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage46/9.gif Way to go!!!! [ 11-27-2003: Message edited Citrus and Vine ] |
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Posted 11-27-2003 02:53 AM by ukspacegirl
Algeiba, CONGRATULATIONS! WELL DONE! Teacher of the year.. that's wonderful. Kathy, I'll have to go and take a look at the calender. I have to say I did think that most of it would be Max & Liz and that's not 'my cup of tea' ! Citrus and Vine - I can see that your a person who finds Roswell and the character and story arcs very interesting, and I'm glad that you can see and appreciate an 'alternative' POV - that is, that the relationship between Max and Tess was real. They're not even called a CC, but they were definitely together. Algeiba - I get snarky! Like you, I think, it's frustration at loose ends and unfinished business (or what feels like poorly-thought-through business). On the X-Files, for instance, everybody hoped (well I did!) that Mulder and Scully would get together in the end. Neither of them had any other 'significant other'. But Max and Liz weren't the same. As you said, Tess and Max had an actual pre-existing relationship, confirmed by witnesses (even Max's mum!) I know that Tess is alleged to have gone along with the 'deal' that Nasedo made with the skins - over 40 years ago - but to me, that was rubbish, because there had been no clues, no foreshadowing. It seemed like a clumsy plotline to get Tess out of the way. Which meant Max wasn't making a 'real' decision to leave her. He had no choice but to let her go.. or did he? Imagine the storyline - Max and Tess in danger on Antar! Kivar does the Mwa-ha-ha thing! Tess has the baby! Max and Tess plot a daring escape! They come back to Earth together! Then maybe somebody could tell us what really happened with the 'deal', also where Nicholas, Rath and Lonnie went, whether Zan really died, and why Langley didn't play a bigger part in all of their lives. C&V - you know I wrote a post-Graduation fic where Tess is rescued from the Base by Langley? BBL.. |
Posted 11-27-2003 05:02 AM by Citrus and Vine
quote: I think Max chose not to chase after Liz, after Liz pretended to sleep with Kyle, and then kept lying to him about it. I think if Liz had been able to accept Tess as part of Max’s past, Max and she might have made a go of it, even after she did what she did to Max. Liz was willing to help Max, but she just wasn’t there for him. She frequently shut him out. I wouldn’t know how to interact with someone who did that. Liz was willing to confide in Maria, but not in Max.
quote: I’d like to offer the way it was for me. I know it is contrary to your views. So, I’m not trying to change how you feel. Rather, I’d like to explain why for me, it wasn’t rubbish. Tess was raised by someone who didn’t love her. Most people raised without love are likely to have difficulty forming attachments. People raised without love are likely to be distrustful of others. Tess mindwarped Isabel, Michael, and Max. That doesn’t bode well for developing honest relationships from the beginning. Tess was raised by Nasedo, who dealt with Michael and Max manipulatively. Neither Nasedo not Tess introduced themselves to Max, Michael, and Isabel as to who they really were initially. Such subterfuge suggests hidden motives. In The Departure, the reason behind the hidden motives is revealed. Nasedo had raised Tess to get pregnant by Max and hand over their child, Max, Michael, and Isabel to Kivar. Once Nasedo died permanently and Tess moved in with the Valentis, she seemed to be less under Nasedo's influence. I think even before that, Tess had already figured out that Nasedo had only raised her to use her. I think the episode Crazy foreshadowed Alex’s death and Tess’ pregnancy. It is the first episode in which Tess appears. In Sexual Healing, the previous episode, there is a figure of an alien holding a baby in the Crashdown. In Crazy, the alien figure with the baby is again featured. Alex stands at the door, the alien figure with the baby is to his right, and lightning flashes behind him in the windows and the doors. Alex has just spoken with Isabel and Tess. I thought that scene and the scene that followed were very ominous. screencaps by momo at Momo’s Roswell
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quote: I think that would be a fun storyline, too. However, Tess lied to Max. There was no reason for her to go to Antar pregnant. Their child wasn’t dying. I think if Tess had stayed on Earth, Max and she could have worked things out in time, even after she revealed what she had intended. Max loved her. Tess planning to hand over their child to Kivar, though, would be impossible for me to move past, probably, if I were in such a situation. Max couldn’t go with Tess to Antar, because he knew only that he would be handed over to Kivar, once he reached Antar. He had no time to hash things out with Tess, before the Granilith had to leave. Max had no way to help his child, other than to let Tess go to the planet where Max thought his child might have a chance at life. Before Tess left, Max told her things weren’t over. If Max had been able to think of a way to go to Antar and not be handed over, then I think he would have gone on the Ganilith with Tess and their child. With a baby in the middle though, people can be coerced into doing things they might not otherwise do. Max couldn’t go to Antar with Tess. He couldn’t let himself be forced to betray his mother, his child, and all the people who once supported him as king, all just to spare his child’s life. Max knew that Tess no longer loved him, or she wouldn’t have been willing to hand him over to Kivar. Max and Tess together could have been a team. Tess supporting Kivar against Max and putting their child into the mix meant that Max had to stay behind. Again, I understand that you don’t like how the story went. So, there is probably no way of comprising on our differences. I would have preferred that Tess didn’t plan to betray Max, too. Still, I love Roswell. I enjoy what you write, and I am glad you love Max and Tess as a couple! IMAGE: www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/evildead/358/ac5a87e0.jpg IMAGE: www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/evildead/358/ae1a87e0.jpg [ 11-27-2003: Message edited Citrus and Vine ] |
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Posted 11-27-2003 12:59 PM by jayta
I miss you guys!
Dobs: Still here, eh? KathyW: Sorry I haven't had a chance to get to your new chapters. But I finally read a few of the newer ones and let me say, ! I am trying to keep up with your brilliance in writing...but it doesn't seem to be inspired...mine that is! I really have come to love Dee and all the shapeshifters! Algieba: Wow! Teacher of the year? I've never met someone that famous! Congratulations! And to think *you* read *my* fanfic! Now that's something to boast about! |
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Posted 11-27-2003 03:15 PM by Algieba
Thanks for all the hand clapping for me folks, but let me make it clear that I am the teacher of the year of one little school, about eighty teachers in all, in one school out of many in the county out of many in a state out of many in the whole country. And it will stop there. I like the roses and I am honored that my fellow teachers think enough of me to vote me in but I am not even a little famous, jayta. I mentioned it because the work load generated it is no fun and very time consuming. I can't imagine living a fish bowl life the way celebrities and others in public life do. To have to be perfect every time you step out of your home, to have others know intimate details about your whole life, how awful. TV and movie celebrities seem to enjoy it on the way up but become very disenchanted when it starts to take over everything they do. I just watched a taped episode of Enterprise where they deal with the subject of cloning. It gave me much food for thought on the question of the essences of the hybrids. I have no idea how to spell names and words from Enterprise but one of the characters, Tripp, the engineer, is injured and needs a transplant of brain cells to save his life. Dr. Flox has a creature in a bottle on the shelf that is a simbiote capable of combining with human DNA to form a clone of Tripp. The only drawback is the resulting clone will have a life span of only 15 days. It is a moral dilema but they go ahead to create this new life form because they need Tripp to save the ship and ultimately Earth. As the clone matures, it begins to have memories of Tripp's past life, parents, pets, etc. It is confused because it thinks it is Tripp. In actuality it is a new and distinct creation. It does not hold Tripp's essence, only Tripp's memories. It reminded me so much of the hybrids. I was leaning toward the conclusion that Tess was really Ava but now I can see strong possibilities for both sides of the question. Science fiction is great in that you can suppose so many possibilities. I guess only your imagination limits you. ukspacegirl. I remember when I fist watched the Prom and Liz broke up with Max, I still didn't get it that he was actually no longer trying to get her back. Earlier, when she had him meet her in the closet after seeing Alex's slides of the Northern Lights, he had turned her down when she wanted him to come with her to see the world. I kept missing it that he was refusing all her advances to get back together even when she so obviously was showing that she wanted to be with him. At the Prom, she clearly states that she has been in so much pain thinking she might hear some day that he remembered Tess, his wife, and that he also remembered he loved her. This was the perfect opportunity for him to deny his love for Tess since by this time he was regaining his memory of her. The flashback episode of Off The Menu makes a strong point at the end that Max remembers Tess when he climbs into Tess's room and tells her "I remember you". Even though it was aired after the Prom, it only makes sense to place it as a flashback happening before the Prom. The Prom begins with Max saying he's remembering their life on Antar, especially Tess. This confused me tremendously until Citrus explained how it could be a flashback of what happened. If Max truly loved Liz and preferred her over Tess, I think he would have jumped at the renewed interest she was showing in him. Instead he let her go. You don't let your soulmate, the one person you love most in the world walk away from you after they have just made it clear that they love you. Not unless you love someone else more or you've chosen a life that cannot include your supposed soulmate. I think it was both for Max. I think he had grown to love Tess, was remembering how much Zan had loved Ava, and also was feeling more drawn to his alien past with all its responsibilities. I believe also though, that he still loved Liz and the human side of him could not let her go. I think he still had flashes of her, as Tess said in 4AAAB, for that reason. But didn't Max also have flashes of Tess while he was kissing Liz? I think that is explained away as a mindwarp, but since Liz didn't have Tess's ability to see everything in Max's mind, we don't really know. I remember Michael telling Maria in Departure that she hadn't had flashes like Liz because he didn't let her. He didn't want her to see him as he really was. Then he deliberately opened himself up to her so she could see him. Wouldn't Max have had the same capability to hide images of Tess from Liz when they were kissing? I'm glad I'm a Drebel because both relationships have merit but I would hate to be Max. To love two women so much, to retain memories of both while trying to decide which one he wanted would be too painful. I think I would be forever haunted by the one I left no matter how much I loved the other. Closing the series leaving Max thinking Tess was a schemer and murderer gave him a way out because people do fall out of love when they think they've been deceived by someone they thought they knew. I understand the rationale but I am not and never will be convinced that Tess betrayed anyone. [ 11-27-2003: Message edited Algieba ] |
Posted 11-27-2003 05:20 PM by ukspacegirl
quote: Algeiba, I love you! And this is exactly my point.. In 'Departure' one of the cut scenes (ie, in the script but not shown in the final aired version) Tess tries to persuade Max to stay on Earth - to find Leanna - but he refuses, and then goes off to Las Crucas with Liz to find Leanna.. nobody can know at this stage what TPTB originally had in mind, but it wasn't a definite thing at all that Tess wanted to hand Max over to Kivar. She loved him enough to try to make him stay, and go to Antar without him.. TO SAVE HIS LIFE. That must have been hard, expecially with the baby on its way. In the White Room, Tess demonstrated to Isabel that she could mind warp - but Tess never agreed or admitted that the alien flashes the podsters were having were anything to do with her. I don't believe they were. It was the proximity of another alien, and the podsters denial of anything that got in the way of their 'normal' lives. Also Nasedo - it was clear from The White Room that he had an agenda that didn't include Tess - he didn't tell her his plans and went ahead and acted on his own, leaving Tess to clear up the mess he made. He would have died at the base if it wasn't for Tess. Nasedo wasn't infallible, but at that stage he seemed to have the interests of the podsters at heart. If he had a heart..
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Posted 11-27-2003 08:12 PM by Kathy W
quote: There's a General Calendar and a Dreamer Calendar. Here's the link for the General Calendar: Fanatics General Roswell Calendar ukspacegirl: I only looked at the General Calendar, not the Dreamer Calendar. Certainly there is Dreamer art in the General Calendar, but surprisingly little of it--it's quite balanced, including some general art that's shipper neutral. And one of my POD friends told me she was thinking of me when she voted for the pretty Tess page. (Hugs to Cookie!)
quote: My impression was that Tess and Nasedo were trying to joggle the other hybrids' memories, and introduce themselves slowly. I'm not sure it would have been a good idea to breeze into town and announce, "Hey! There are really four of you, here's the fourth, I'm your protector, got all that?" I'm also unclear as to what the motive behind such brief subterfuge would be. Tess wasn't there long at all before the other three discovered who she and Nasedo were. If they wanted to hide their identities by not introducing themselves immediately, they must have changed their minds in (very)short order. I always wondered about Nasedo's reaction to Isabel's visit to the Harding household during that "introduction time". He said to Tess, "What is she doing here?" as though he were angry with Isabel. He must have known who Isabel was. I wonder if he was really mad at Vilandra. |
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Posted 11-27-2003 10:10 PM by Dobson
Tess and Nasedo were introduced the way they were so the discovery of Tess being the 4th and Nasedo their protector would be more dramatic plot wise..... [ 11-28-2003: Message edited Dobson ] |
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Posted 11-28-2003 03:30 PM by Dobson
Where are you ladies.....? Ah of course..you all like tess, so by extension your approval of her evil ways means you emulate her, so your all out killing some poor girl's friend, then stealing her boyfriend, getting pregnant by him, and then taking him out of town only to have him killed.......you evil women .... [ 11-28-2003: Message edited Dobson ] |
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Posted 11-28-2003 05:11 PM by Kathy W
Dobs: There is no way I'm getting pregnant again. Done it twice, that's enough. The rest of it? Well, I'm not tellin'..... jayta: Please, don't ever apologize for not getting to my story. Honest, I'm not keeping track. Besides, you're writing your own story, and that's more important than reading mine, because that's the only fanfic I'm reading right now.
quote: That was an very good episode. Enterprise has been getting so much better this season (although I liked it the previous 2 seasons also), so I was sad to hear its ratings are still down. I think it was harder for Tripp's clone because the original Tripp wasn't dead yet; he was right there in sickbay. As you said, Tripp's clone had experiences the original Tripp didn't have, thus creating a separate existence. The hybrids took that further--they developed relationships and attachments to people their predecessors had never met. This experience illustrates how things may have worked out even if the hybrids had retained all or most of their Antarian memories. Perhaps if they'd been "born" as adults, remembered right from the beginning, and didn't develop separate lives and attachments on Earth they could have just returned to Antar and been their former selves. Any additional experiences and attachments their original selves did not have muddy the waters. And the way it worked out, with the hybrids hatching as little children and actually being raised by humans while having little or no memory of their former lives....well, let's just say I'm not the least bit surprised things worked out the way they did. |
Posted 11-28-2003 06:28 PM by ukspacegirl
quote: Well, Dobs, my day has been something like that.. but I'm not telling, either.. The last part makes me think of Juliet's bird - 'I should kill thee with too much cherishing..' wherefore art thou Romeo? Max Montague and Tessie Capulet - but their families weren't at war.. only everybody else on earth against Tess.. Kathy, I agree. Being born into a world with hardly any memories must have meant starting with a 'clean slate' at some level. And it was Michael and Tess, in their own seperate ways, who were actively looking for memories of home, because they didn't have the family connections on Earth. Jayta, hi! I've been trying to sort out my writing this week. It seems that 3 of my stories got wiped in the last blackout over at Roswell Fanatics, so I really should put them up on the repost board. I also have a couple of fics that are still unfinished.. I'm thinking about them! Goodnight, all. (it's 01.30 here; I've been watching 'Secrets and Lies' and 'Control' while I did the ironing. )
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Posted 11-29-2003 07:39 AM by Dobson
So what makes us what we are...is it our physical bodies, our life experiences, a soul? In real life, notice how in some of organ transplant cases..the donor's family like to think that there is a "little bit"( not the actual part,but a "piece" of who they were ) of the donor in the person helped... In real life, do we not hold ceremonies for dead people, performing rituals involving bodies? In real life we have a religion whose leader is a single soul, constantly being reborn in a new shell... In real life we have cases where people lose their memories, and no longer seem to be the same people, but they become that person again if they are lucky to regain them, granted with additional experinces but basicly the person we used to know is there.. Now in science fiction,you have to go by the rules or intent of what the creators of that reality intended..All scifi can be picked apart if you set your mind to it...examples...why do you need the transporter pads in Star Trek?...they constantly show a teleport being intitiated without a person standing on them...In the Matrix, if they need to use a telephone to jack out, would they not need one to get in? I could go on and on for all scifi. Which leads back to Roswell...What was the intent of the PTB?..we have constant references to the 4 being the Royal 4, leading one to believe the intent is that of the writers is that the four are a continuation of who they were back on antar..In fact they use all three of my real life statements..dna, soul, experiences do they not? I apologize for the long post..I usually make my joke and move on, but your recent posts caused these thoughts to occur...when dealing with fiction, especially science fiction, you have to be able to accept what realities the creators give you....or you will never enjoy it... [ 11-29-2003: Message edited Dobson ] |
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Posted 11-29-2003 12:16 PM by ukspacegirl
Dobson, you mustn't feel you have to apologise - your views are always interesting.. I don't know what it is that makes us what we are. I'm interested in astrology, for example, the natal / birth chart is supposed to be a map of potentials, talents, and even obstacles to our personal development. But you could have 2 babies born at exactly the same moment in the same hospital who have completely different lives - because of life circumstances, because of their genetic inheritance; because of their own personal choices. I do believe in the existence of the soul, and I think that has a large say in who we are in this lifetime. But it the soul, or essence, of a person, could be divided or reproduced or shared out like DNA, who knows what the outcome might be? I think it would be like our 2 babies born at the same moment.. the same potentials, but different actual life experiences. In terms of Roswell, you're absolutely right. Fans and viewers, however analytical, can only really work with what TPTB ended up giving us. Of course, that's also subject to interpretation! I mean that people who want M/L to be together will see a certain significance in something that happens, and people who perhaps want M/T to be together will see that same happening in a different light. Movie-makers often say that each member of the audience will see a 'different' movie, even when they're watching the same movie, if you know what I mean. So there is no 'definitive' Roswell. Without precise explanations and notes from the programme-makers, we'll probably never know what arcs or plotlines were originally planned, changed or carried through. It has to be a positive thing that the storylines we got are still provoking so much thought and discussion. I'd still like to know more! And I still get upset when people say 'it was always meant to be M/L'. Because I don't feel there's definitive evidence of that.. It's subject to interpretation, again!
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Posted 11-29-2003 12:48 PM by Mone
It's Christmas - Wham! are in the charts again. Ahem, just a quick from me. I'll be back later. And Dobson... welcome to the Roswell Essay Club. |
Posted 11-29-2003 05:18 PM by Kathy W
quote: I'm with Mone. Welcome to the Roswell essay club. I tend to go by not what the writers intended, but by what the characters in the created reality intended. (These can be two different things. ) I do believe whoever created the hybrids on/on behalf of Antar meant for the Royal 4 to be recreated. I also believe the hybrids did not turn out that way. Why they didn't turn out as intended is up for grabs.
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Posted 11-29-2003 05:48 PM by Dobson
Why do you think they never turned out the way as intended kathy.... Now the way their enemies were confused about the hybrids not remembering who they were would tend to support this...everybody alien thought of them as if they should be the Royal 4 again, except for the original 3...but then I would point out that the Destiny plot was never given time to play out properly, and at some point the Royal 4 would indeed become a combination of what they were were, and are now, or even do a turn about, submurge the "now" them and let the "old" them come to be the dominant reality...granolith....I still believe at some point this powerful religious artifact would restore them to what they were... But then that never happended, except for bits and pieces here and there... [ 11-29-2003: Message edited Dobson ] |
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Posted 11-30-2003 12:11 AM by Citrus and Vine
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Posted 11-30-2003 04:41 AM by ukspacegirl
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Posted 11-30-2003 12:24 PM by Citrus and Vine
ukspacegirl, thank you SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!! You made my day! |
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Posted 11-30-2003 01:01 PM by Kathy W
Ooooh! Pretty pictures!
quote: Sorry about that, Dobs. Want one of my headache kits? Perhaps I should clarify. I think the hybrids have not turned out as intended so far. I feel that way for the following reasons: The hybrids remember precious little of their former lives. Remembering their past selves seems crucial to me if they are to fulfill their intended destiny of helping their people. I have a hard time believing the hybrids were intended to be raised by humans. I would think the Antarians would have wanted to avoid this. Three of their Royal 4 now have attachments to humans that pull them in two different directions. So--were the hybrids supposed to be raised by the shapeshifters and wound up raised by humans because the shapeshifters lost/abandoned them? Did they hatch too young, resulting in a disruption of the whole process? (Kathy pauses as a few more of Dobs's brain cells float by. ) Whatever the permutations, I do believe the hybrids were intended to be the original Zan, Ava, Rath, and Vilandra, and they certainly weren't as of the end of the series. But--I also believe that may change at some point in the future. I have always wondered if their memories or, as you say, an emergence of their old selves would kick in at some point in adulthood. Hey...that would be a good movie idea. [ 11-30-2003: Message edited Kathy W ] |
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Posted 11-30-2003 02:21 PM by Algieba
Finally, I've caught up on the fanfics, Loving Destiny and Alien Sky. jayta. I love the spiritual dimension you've bnought to the story. So few scifi stories dare to combine scifi and current day spirituality. Or if they do, the spirituality is made unrecognizable and strange so as not to offend. I think they are trying to appeal to the greatest number of readers possible. I like the idea that an alien race might have the same concepts as Earth. Kathy W. I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to see what happens to Dee. I thought I had the shapeshifters figured out but now I'm not so sure. Thanks for all the pictures everyone. My favorites include any from Off The Menu where Max climbs in Tess' window to talk with her at the end. The look on Max's face when he tells Tess he remembers her is such a touching moment. I think Jason Behr can say more with the expression on his face than a lot of actors can with words. I love the one of Tess where Max has his hands on her face wiping away her tears. [ 11-30-2003: Message edited Algieba ] |
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Posted 11-30-2003 03:28 PM by ukspacegirl
Hey all.. Just a fly-by to say I've re-posted two of my old fics on the FF board - here: I'm sure you've already read them, but they got deleted during the last purge over there.. so I've re-installed them.
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Posted 12-01-2003 08:13 AM by Dobson
Ah yes. "I remember you"...waiting to be let out by those 3 words was all that Destiny entails, but which we never got... |
Posted 12-01-2003 12:53 PM by ukspacegirl
quote: Well, this spacegirl would be doing a happy dance, and 'I told you so' - but also because we wouldn't get to see it.. O/T: I've really been getting into 'The Doors'!! I just have this feeling that JB's performance as a Rock Star will have something of Jim Morrison about it.. 'cause compared to Morrison, any other rock star I've seen - they're just lightweights.. Back On Topic.. I would love to see the Podsters getting their full memories back.. even so, surely they'd still be unprepared for the duties of royalty on another planet.. I still think Tess is absolutely the right partner for Max. They just look so good together (sigh).. BBL! |
Posted 12-01-2003 01:30 PM by jayta
quote: Like that's not a feat in itself though! Take your kudos Allie - do you mind if I call you Allie? Just a nickname that popped into my head! Anyway, I know good teachers are hard to find...I've known a lot of teachers (whom I love and respect) and what you do is hard. So to me, you are famous! Anyway, you have to be smart at least to have such deep thoughts...you and everyone else on this thread. I'm not so much One or two line thoughts on Tess and Max. Don't have much insight. Don't have much time to think about these two nowadays! [ 12-01-2003: Message edited jayta ] |
Posted 12-01-2003 01:34 PM by jayta
quote: Wow! Really? Ack! That's scary! And flattering at the same time! Yeah, but I would love to have the time to read your chapters. It feels like I'm always rushed and can never get to it! I *want* to read it!
Well, I'm going to go bake you some cookies...since I've almost got another chapter ready to go. Then you'll have something to munch on while you read! Dobs: I have done none of those things.... although I suppose I still have time to... hmmm, i'll think about it... uk! [ 12-01-2003: Message edited jayta ] |
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Posted 12-01-2003 05:11 PM by meretwins
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Posted 12-01-2003 05:49 PM by Mone
quote: Don't walk - run to EdR Country! The pics are amazing and Emilie looks so great. |
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Posted 12-02-2003 10:27 AM by Dobson
She looks , how shall i say, rather fetching... |
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Posted 12-02-2003 11:52 AM by ukspacegirl
THanks Mere,Mone! Dobson Yes, Emilie looks absolutely beautiful. (sigh) Our little girl, all growed up..
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Posted 12-02-2003 06:16 PM by Kathy W
Purty Emily pictures. Thanks, Mere!
quote: Oh, goodie! Chocolate? (The cookies, not the chapter. If the chapter is chocolate, I'll eat it instead of reading it. ) |
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Posted 12-02-2003 08:12 PM by Algieba
Dobson. Your essay was thought provoking so perhaps using up some brain cells is a good thing. Besides, aren't brain cells kind of like lots of things in that you lose em if you don't use 'em? jayta. I love the nickname. Allie it is. I'm in short essay form tonight so hi and bye to all. I so enjoy all your comments. |
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Posted 12-02-2003 08:54 PM by Dreamer 4 Ever
mere Thanks for the link to the new pics, Emilie looks great! |
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Posted 12-03-2003 07:53 AM by Dobson
wow... on the resurrect roswell thread they are now complaining about a picture in a sites's banner..... |
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Posted 12-03-2003 03:09 PM by Mone
[small voice]Hehe, I'll check out the banner discussion asap. I love lurking on that thread. It is really, really fascinating. [/small voice]
Max & Tess = SuperDuperTrueSoulmatesPenPalsDestiny4EVA!!!
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Posted 12-03-2003 03:27 PM by ukspacegirl
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I've been for a small lurk - Dobson, you love to put yourself where the action is! I can't get on to the Roswell movie site to see what all the fuss is about.. Anyway, I want to write the script for the Roswell movie!!! (It might not have many of those pesky humans in it, tho... ) Kidding.. |
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Posted 12-03-2003 03:59 PM by Mone
Dobson, make sure to have your can opener with you!
quote: Of course you are kidding! The humans *are* the plot. The Roswell fandom is indeed fascinating... Aren't most people usually crazy about the cool vampire slayer/the sexy SpyBarbie/the blushing Supie/the charming witches/the kickass Manticore soldiers and so on? On the other hand... I watched the whole Dark Angel series without especially liking the title character. But there were other supporting characters (who were part of the premise/plot) that I really, really loved... So I was able to appreciate the show as a whole in spite of neither liking the title character nor her love interest. Personally I am not interested in seeing a Roswell movie. You can't even get me near season 3. Sooooo... Should I head over to the resurrection thread and complain? I don't think so. |
Posted 12-03-2003 09:06 PM by Kathy W
quote: Every time I think I've seen it all, I haven't. Unfreakin' believable. And it won't just be the font next, Dobs. It'll be the size of various actors in the photo (She's smaller! Are you trying to make her into wallpaper?), their placement in the picture (Why did you put him in front?), what they're wearing (She looks terrible in that shirt! Why did you pick that shirt? I knew it! You hate her, don't you? Don't you?!), etc., etc., etc. And don't even get me started on the whole idea of objecting to a photo of aliens on a movie web site about a show about aliens. I hear the photo will change in the future. When a photo of the human characters goes up, I vote we organize a massive, worldwide protest. |
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Posted 12-03-2003 09:19 PM by Dobson
It's just, wow..the whole thing just blows me away... |
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Posted 12-03-2003 09:30 PM by Dreamer 4 Ever
Rebels, Bringing over an old pic I found IMAGE: thepromise.eternallove.org/images/es-s2/42-01b.jpg |
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Posted 12-04-2003 01:42 AM by Mone
Now that's a picture I like. Aren't the podsters supposed to be half-alien and half-human? So technically a picture of Tessie and Max means you have in total one human and one alien...? I know, I know. I'm a bad evil person and I'm going to burn in hell. Jennifer, you are a mod now! Congratulations! I wouldn't want to do your job - but I wish you all the best. You'll do great. |
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Posted 12-04-2003 07:50 AM by Dobson
Just have to check something..the sky I see is blue...that's what you all see, correct?.. cause when I venture out onto the "board", I'm always worried the insanity out there is gonna suck me into it's world.... [ 12-04-2003: Message edited Dobson ] |
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Posted 12-04-2003 12:50 PM by Mone
Positive on the reality check. The sky is still blue. (But if Mr. Bush keeps refusing to sign the Kyoto Protocol, it's likely to turn grey or yellow soon. ) |
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Posted 12-04-2003 05:42 PM by Kathy W
Part 35 is up.
quote: I went to high school with someone who would have argued that the sky wasn't blue, it's azure. She became a lawyer. No surprise. D4E: I love that picture of Tess in the blue turtleneck! And I love pictures of Max no matter what he's wearing. Or not wearing. Mone: I was never good at math. Alien math or human math. ukspacegirl: I keep forgetting to mention this (and if you already know this, my apologies for repeating it), but I think they don't touch the Repost section of Fanatics, so your stories might be safe there. I've got mine in Work by Author, but I think that has to be diddled every 90 days or so, or else it gets purged. Something like that. |
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Posted 12-04-2003 06:27 PM by Dreamer 4 Ever
Kathy I totally agree with you, how about this picture: IMAGE: www.cartogra.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=60496897-5863-6698-1186-4ffc1e0b1551&size= Jennifer |
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Posted 12-04-2003 07:59 PM by Dobson
so how long did it take you to stop smiling jennifer? |
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Posted 12-04-2003 08:41 PM by Dreamer 4 Ever
Dobson I haven't stopped |
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Posted 12-05-2003 08:03 AM by Dobson
So how did this all come about? |
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Posted 12-05-2003 11:18 AM by Mone
Awww, you look so happy. A few FanForumers were on the set for his new rockstar movie if I'm not mistaken. Jennifer, are you able to tell us whether he was "in costume" in the pic or is that regular JB gear? Tess sure looks great in the blue turtleneck. Dammit, I could rant for pages and pages (again!) that we never got a flashback-y costume & wig episode. *sniff* |
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Posted 12-05-2003 11:56 AM by ukspacegirl
Oh my goodness D4E- Huggies with the Rock-Star Boo. Definitely a have-I-Died-and-Gone-To-Heaven moment!
Kathy, a new part, yay! And thanks for the info on the FF board.. I have 2 stories on the Work by Author board and 'Summer' is on the repost board.. I still have to re-instate 'Destiny'. Also my new fic is almost ready to meet the world. Almost. BBL! |
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Posted 12-05-2003 03:03 PM by Dobson
I've never met anybody famous myself |
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Posted 12-05-2003 04:14 PM by ukspacegirl
Well, you're famous yourself, Dobson.. I met Bill Saddler and Nickypoo at the Heathrow Convention. They were nice.
Oh yes, I saw Meg Ryan, Jane Campion and Mark Ruffallo at the In The Cut premiere in London, but I didn't get to meet them. And a couple of years ago, before I started watching Angel and Buffy, David Boreanaz was signing autographs at The Forbidden Planet store in London. My son was going along, and I remember saying 'That's nice, dear' not knowing quite who the Boreanaz was at that time.. kinda kicking myself now, tho!!
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Posted 12-05-2003 04:38 PM by jayta
quote: Oh, I was going to tell you that... Double chocolate fudge chip! Yum! ::hands Kathy plate of cookies:: and as well...here is the new chapter! Good timing eh? |
Posted 12-05-2003 08:59 PM by Dreamer 4 Ever
quote: Here's my Behrian encounter!!!! This happened on November 19th: Its almost 6:00 p.m. so I am worried that I might have missed Jason. I head over to where they were possibly filming and the place is empty so I ask one of the employees so he was nice enough to tell me where exactly they were, so I found this bar and I saw one of the workers outside and I asked her if I could go in and see my friend and she said yes. I head downstairs trying to find Wendy and also trying to find Jason Found Wendy but no Jason. So Wendy finally sees me and she is rapped up for the day so we head upstairs and I asked one of the girls if Jason was still there and she thought that he was. So Wendy is getting ready and this guy comes out of the dressing room and starts walking towards me and its JASON!!!!! So I introduced myself to him and then he said "Hi I'm Jason" I was gonna say, I know that So we started chatting. I told him about FF and you guys and how excited we were to hear him filming in NY and he was blushing a little. I told him how great I think his work is and he thanked me. I also told him about the Bowl A Thon and he seemed really interested. I then got to take a picture with him and his hand was on my shoulder And I took one with Wendy and then one with both me and Wendy, Jason suggested it And then he was kind enough to sign an autograph for each of us. He signed mine: To Jennifer: Great to meet you! Best Wishes Always Jason Behr And Jason also gave us a Crew Call Sheet which was so sweet of him. I also told him I might see him Saturday since the Casting people are considering me for an extra as well. He told me it was great to meet me and he gave me a hug so I got to feel his strong back and I swear I could feel his spine The man is so gorgeous, his eyes said it all. He looked amazing, true he was skinny, but such a sweetheart. A total gentlemen IMAGE: www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p7f6e3761316af22cd7fcf4f5618e732a/fa8424cb.jpg IMAGE: www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/pcbc82a3e97773205966ae13101485abc/fa794bb0.jpg Enjoy! |
Posted 12-05-2003 09:09 PM by Kathy W
quote: I'll bet you haven't! I see that hand of yours there by his waist. So tell us--what does the Behr feel like? (ETA: Ooooh, you already answered that above! ) ukspacegirl: I love your avatar! Let us know when your new story is up. jayta: Double chocolate cookies and more story? You spoil me! (I'm not complaining. ) [ 12-05-2003: Message edited Kathy W ] |
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Posted 12-06-2003 10:18 AM by Dobson
if it had been uk..well what would you have you done if you had that chance UK? |
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Posted 12-06-2003 04:00 PM by ukspacegirl
Well, Dobson, I can't imagine really! I’d be trying very hard not to feel overwhelmed; to be talking to somebody who is so talented and inspirational an actor Tho I'm sure he'd extend the same professionalism, kindness and courtesy he shows everyone who meets him.. I'd like to be smart and funny and make him smile.. probably I'd just be lost for words.. Maybe I‘d ask him whether he felt it should be Max and Liz or Max and Tess!!! Yay Rebels! |
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Posted 12-06-2003 04:08 PM by ukspacegirl
How about some pictures - IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=78203037-6c7b-3e0f-7e91-3b3934d17ecd&size= IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=31e2165e-5990-59cc-252f-7a3627e572e3&size= IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=5dc46779-1bcd-513f-7b3c-494841247b72&size= My favourite alien flash! IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=76262df1-71eb-52f7-1469-27436e001bf8&size= V. |
Posted 12-06-2003 05:33 PM by Kathy W
quote: No pressure, huh?
quote: I really, really hope Emilie had fun filming that one. (I wonder if they got along?) |
Posted 12-06-2003 06:02 PM by ukspacegirl
quote: I kind of think from the on-screen rapport between the two of them, they did get on.. Just flying by to say I've read your two latest installments of Alien Sky - fantastico! And Jayta - I've caught up with yours too.. yay! Is this good news for Max and Tess.. can't wait to find out! I went to see 'Master and Commander' today - and Billy Boyd, one of the Hobbits from LOTR is in it.. and I was thinking, yeah, your friend's in NY filming 'Livien' with JB.. small world,isn't it I've been re-reading 'Roswell Survivor', archived on Nicole's site. Sooo funny! everyone else. |
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Posted 12-06-2003 06:27 PM by Mone
Hi all! Pretty, pretty pictures. I own exactly one autograph - but I'm very proud of it: It's a tour programme hand-signed by the three leads of the coolest German radio play ever: The Three Investigators! I don't know whether radio play is the right word for it (not really trusting my dictionary) since you can't listen to it on the radio but they sell the episodes on tape and on cd. Anyway, it's a story that you listen to with sounds and different characters/speakers based on the young adult "Alfred Hitchcock" novels about The Three Investigators, Justus (Julius), Peter and Bob from Rocky Beach. (I think there is even an English version of it - but I heard it's not as good as the German one.) After producing more than 100 episodes they thought it would be cool to do a live & unplugged tour. A radio play live & unplugged? Freakin' hilarious! I swear. Especially because the three actors are *so* not teens anymore (and only one of the three still has enough hair to say that there is hair) - but they still pretend in the stories that the characters are 16. Which is getting a bit tiring IMO: The fans in the audience were all fans of the first hour, i. e. they were mostly of my age (twentysomething) and there were only like five kids. So who's the target group here? Afterwards, they signed autographs... They were pretty exhausted and tired but they seemed really cool and snarky. And my favourite out of the three looked up at me, didn't quite hand me my autograph yet and gave me the cutest smile. So I did what good girls do... I blushed, grabbed my autograph, mumbled a thank you and walked on. And that was me coming out as a nerd. Thanks for listening. As for JB liking M/T or M/L? Hmmm, difficult. M/T made him look damn cool and grown-up and sexy and M/L earned him a lot of MaaaxErrrrmJasoooonIWuvU4eva! I can't tell! |
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Posted 12-07-2003 11:07 AM by ukspacegirl
Mone! JasonIwuvvvyou4eva.. that would be me, I think! I went shopping for decorations and our Christmas tree today. We got a 5 ft Norwegian pine and it's beautiful. We can't decorate it yet tho because my middle son isn't well and we usually do it together... hope he feels better soon. BBL! |
Posted 12-07-2003 11:26 AM by Tess Shipper Whore
quote: I would love to know the answer to that question! I've never met anyone from Roswell..... Actually I've never met anyone.... |
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Posted 12-07-2003 03:32 PM by ukspacegirl
My number 2 son is feeling better - but it's late, so we'll decorate the tree tomorrow. 'Pay It Forward' is on TV - love Mr Spacey, love the film! Goodnight everyone.. |
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Posted 12-08-2003 12:35 AM by fetch
::waves:: Too late to join? |
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Posted 12-08-2003 07:46 AM by Dobson
join the party fetch and welcome aboard |
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Posted 12-08-2003 12:42 PM by Mone
Welcome, fetch! One more to join the dark side. Wow, Vanda, do you always decorate the tree this early in the UK? Interesting. For how long do you keep the tree? I have one more - probably pretty unpopular - thought on whether JB liked M/L or M/T. As an actor I'd probably prefer a pairing that still leaves room for my character to be seen as *Max* and not as Max&Liz or Liz&Max or Liz's Max. I'd hate for my character to just be seen as an eye-candy trophy that has to shut up about his own life and only care and live for somebody else. What I'm trying to say is that fan reaction to both pairings probably plays a part in whether he liked one of the pairings better job-wise. |
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Posted 12-08-2003 02:17 PM by Kathy W
Hi Fetch! Fetch is the creator of some really lovely alien-themed avatars.
quote: I had a devil of a time deciding which one to use first. Maybe I'll cycle back and forth every week.
quote: I don't know when they put up trees in the UK, but ours is up! It'll stay up till mid-to-late January.
quote: If fan reaction factors in, it would seem JB has two major choices: 1. Duct tape his mouth shut so no one ever knows his opinion, or... 2. Run for the hills. ukspacegirl: Glad to hear your son is feeling better. It's never fun to be sick, but being sick around holidays just adds insult to injury. Quarantine: I just started this Roswell book, and I've run into an interesting theme running through it. (italics mine) *****Liz sighed. If only that were true. But she knew that Max's life was full of things--and people--that were more important than she was.**** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ****As she (Liz) spoke, her gaze fell upon Max. He was watching her adoringly, but she knew he would leave her in a moment if he had a chance to find his son. "He can't put me first," Liz thought sadly. "So maybe it's time I put myself first."**** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ****Until Max. With Max nothing was under control--least of all her (Liz's) own feelings. She simply melted whenever he was near her. "As if he were my desitny," she thought. "Too bad I wasn't his." Liz shook off the bitterness. Tess was Max's destiny. Liz had known that for more than a year now. Max hadn't asked for it. It wasn't his fault Tess had turned out bad. It wasn't even his fault that he'd slept with Tess. Well, not entirely. After all, on their home planet she was his wife.**** Granted, I'm only about a third of the way through it, so this incarnation of Liz could change. But it's nice to know the writer realized a few things a number of people don't. Or don't want to. [ 12-08-2003: Message edited Kathy W ] |
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Posted 12-08-2003 04:35 PM by ukspacegirl
Welcome Fetch! Hi Mone - some UKers put their trees up as soon as December starts -I think people with little kids do this (we used to..) ours is up now, a joint effort.. I tend to err on the side of the dramatic when it comes to Christmas decorations but we do have a giggle about my taste (or lack thereof..)so what's wrong with purple tinsel anyway? Dobson, TSW, Kathy, I'm glad that one of the Roswell books is showing some sense when it comes to Tess. Of the books I bought (the new ones set post-Graduation) I found the Dreamer schlockiness unbearable! (witness the book flying across the room syndrome) Max couldn't help it when it came to Tessie, huh? I knew it all along |
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Posted 12-08-2003 05:45 PM by Dobson
Lets see..girl #1 bought a dress a year in advance for a dance, while girl #2 tried to make a person accept who he really is. I guess they viewed the guy and what their relationships with him were all about in vastly different ways. [ 12-08-2003: Message edited Dobson ] |
Posted 12-08-2003 05:45 PM by Citrus and Vine
quote: Hi Everyone! I’ve been looking for more screencaps. Some sites have some really great ones! Haven’t had any success finding good caps of Max telling Tess he remembers her in Off the Menu. Roswell Screen Grab Galleries has two caps, but Max isn’t in frame. Crashdown at media*blvd has a few more, but they can’t be posted here. Momo’s Roswell has some good caps of Tess in other episodes, but very few with Max and Tess together. (The scene at the end of Off the Menu is noticeably absent.) The scene is at night, so maybe it’s difficult to get good caps. If anyone here would like to cap the scene, I would love to see it! I know Algieba would love to see it too! For now, some caps IMAGE: www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/evildead/358/bbda87e0.jpg IMAGE: www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/evildead/358/bbba87e0.jpg IMAGE: www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/evildead/358/be8a87e0.jpg IMAGE: www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/evildead/358/beaa87e0.jpg IMAGE: www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/evildead/358/81ea87e0.jpg IMAGE: www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/evildead/358/826a87e0.jpg IMAGE: members.fortunecity.co.uk/orion27/2/offmenu/offmenu298.jpg ____________________________________________________________ [ 12-08-2003: Message edited Citrus and Vine ] |
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Posted 12-08-2003 05:55 PM by Tess Shipper Whore
Yay! Hey fetch! Recognize me? I love this avatar.... IMAGE: www.angelfire.com/ego2/desultory/stars1.gif As soon as I can I'm gonna use it. (After I've used all the other avatars I have saved on my computer already, that is......) All those screencaps are blurry-ish. I hate all screencap websites because they don't have many pictures that aren't of Max&Liz. I only love Vanda's caps. I don't remember that from the book....... But if you say it was there than I believe you. Doesn't exactly fit with the fandom's beliefs that Max's universe has to be centered around Liz...... |
Posted 12-09-2003 05:54 AM by fetch
quote: Thanks And thanks everyone for welcoming me. |
Posted 12-09-2003 12:53 PM by Tess Shipper Whore
quote: Yeah, that's true. Which is why I enjoy writing about AUs where that didn't happen. And where Max and Liz were never together. 'Cause I HATE Max/Liz. I hate it more than any other couple. |
Posted 12-09-2003 01:05 PM by ukspacegirl
quote: I agree. I like the differences, actually. Tess's character has been seen in many different ways, but she was never, ever, boring. Some pictures, all of remembering.. IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=368420fc-eb67-4352-7da1-39d9575c48c1&size=lg IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=1008540d-42fe-4549-2674-7e6c74b7139f&size=lg IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=2236502f-4b47-69f3-690a-344a16d94d7f&size=lg IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=62c87f5d-51da-6cbf-100e-750067e73952&size=lg IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=749373e5-15d7-678b-44ee-2f7c5e495705&size=lg IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=53006b5f-50e9-7848-4b59-598458174cbc&size=lg IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=54f81ea5-7884-591e-7995-31cc5c746e4a&size=lg IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=364e7c5b-2dcc-1eb8-4496-7d471b896e49&size=lg
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Posted 12-09-2003 01:54 PM by Mone
*happy sigh* Sometimes I get all distracted by the lovely pictures and forget what I want to say.
quote: I'm glad they used the sad-Tess-in-blue-cave-light shot from MTTM for the opening credits. I love the conversation with Nasedo, sniff. Kathy and Vanda must have very nice and expensive Christmas trees. Or a good vacuum cleaner. Dry Christmas tree needles are evil. Purple tinsle? I'm glad I finally convinced my mother that pink decorations are uncool. My nephew is going to experience his first Christmas this year and I got him a cute set of yellow rubber ducks for the tub.
quote: [Ross]You were ON A BREAAAAAAAAAK![/Ross] I like this incarnation of Liz. She's clever and able to see things from other POVs. And it doesn't ruin her love for Max. Go figure!
quote: I have Max issues for the very same reasons, too. But since there are so many moments that show that he felt something for Tess and was drawn to her, I feel sorry for him. IMO he never really gave her a chance because somehow his life on Earth had made him believe that he was an unworthy monster. He felt he had to hide where he came from in order to be good and loved. So I think every time he pushed Tess away... he not only hurt her but also himself because he didn't allow himself to listen to his feelings. [ 12-09-2003: Message edited Mone ] |
Posted 12-09-2003 04:07 PM by ukspacegirl
quote: I agree Mone.. one of my absolute favourite Roswell moments is Max's 'Monster speech' at the Observatory in ITLAITB.. he just conveys that sense of being lost, and needing so much to find out who he is and where he belongs.. (well, that would be with a certain Spacegirl who could give him detailed directions to his home planet, ) I like that Tess could forgive him,(in the epi that shall-not-be-named *cough* Departure *cough* - she said 'where we're going none of that will matter.' (BTW I don't think she said this because she planned for Max to be in one of Kivar's dungeons or assassinated ). I'd rather think she was adult enough to feel that on his home planet, away from all of the distractions of Earth, maybe Max would remember his wife at last (sniff!!) BTW - I've been watching some Sherman Oaks epis today.. I'm completely delighted! JB is so funny and adorable in them.. soo talented an actor..
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Posted 12-09-2003 09:39 PM by just me
hi there i finally got internet at my own house so now i get to come here whenever i want which means i can also get caught up with KathyW's fic...finally! i like all the pics. and i'm also here to sing: I’ll take the position, assume the missionary part Gentlemen mark your opponents, fire into your own ranks. oh and Overcome just came on my computer...such a Rebel song!! |
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Posted 12-10-2003 07:29 AM by Dobson
welcome back just me Page 10 thread title time! |
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Posted 12-10-2003 02:25 PM by Mone
The first one to suggest a title gets a cookie! just me! Glad that you have unlimited 24/7 Rebel access now... [ 12-10-2003: Message edited Mone ] |
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Posted 12-10-2003 05:20 PM by Eternal*Believer
Hiya Guys! New rebel poster over here! I have no clue for thread titles tho Leanne x |
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Posted 12-10-2003 07:05 PM by Kathy W
Part 36 is up.
quote: Welcome new Rebel poster! just me: Welcome back! Mone is right--24/7 Rebel access is very important. Dobs: I still love your "Destiny is the answer to why they exist" title.
quote: Expensive? I don't know. What's an expensive Christmas tree? I think ours was $39 U.S. We do put a sheet under it to catch needles, keep it watered, and it's right in front of our sliding glass door. So when we're done with it we don't have to carry it through the house dropping needles all the way. We just push it out the door.
quote: Yup, yup, yup.
quote: It never occurred to me that Tess said that because she was planning to participate in Max's death or imprisonment. I thought she just wanted to get Max somewhere where Liz wasn't an option. [ 12-10-2003: Message edited Kathy W ] |
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Posted 12-10-2003 09:29 PM by Dobson
welcome Eternal*Believer |
Posted 12-11-2003 04:41 AM by ukspacegirl
quote: Yeah, me too! Kidding. Kathy, I'm not sure why I was being so defensive.. I've seen that (totally wrong and misguided) theory elsewhere, but of course none of the thinking people who post here have such outlandish ideas.. Yay, new part! About Christmas Trees - the trees with the bigger needles seem to be fashionable this year - it's quite hard to get hold of 'traditional' trees with the little needles. I love Christmas! And once the tree is up, you really feel it's nearly here.. Actually, my eldest son is away in Scotland - I'm planning to get a Christmas tree for his flat and decorate it to surprise him when he gets home this weekend.. I agree with the suggestion for the thread title by Dobson.. it's a good one! BBL. |
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Posted 12-11-2003 08:16 AM by Citrus and Vine
Hey Everyone! THANK YOU, UKSPACEGIRL for the great screencaps! Hi Algieba, if you’re around! I wanted to leave a message for you here. It’s off topic, but it’s in answer to the very perceptive point you raised months back on the General Discussion thread, when the thread still existed. The reason why Kivar didn’t kill Max, when he came to get Isabel, is that Isabel hadn’t yet produced a child that could receive the Seal of Antar. The Seal of Antar was necessary to prove legitimacy. Baby Zan couldn’t receive the Seal, because he was completely human. He had no Antarian blood. (Max lost the Seal, when he went into Clayton’s body. The Seal could only be held by those with some Antarian parts to them.) Max and Isabel were lineal heirs to the throne. Kivar needed a child with some Antarian in them from Max or Isabel, so the Seal would go to the child’s brain, thus proving the child was the true heir. In cases where the true heir was dying or dead, the Seal could pass on to another person, as it passed on the Michael, after Max died. Michael was an interim king. He gained the powers of the King, but he wasn’t of the direct lineage. The Seal appeared on Michael’s chest, so everyone would know that wearer was a temporary king. When Max grew enough Antarian Royal characteristics in his new body, he was able to take back the seal from Michael. Since Max was the true King, the Seal again went to Max’s brain. Again, the reason Kivar didn’t kill Max yet is because he wanted Isabel to have a child with some Antarian blood in the child, so the child could receive the Seal as the true King (or maybe true Queen) of Antar. Kivar needed a true royal heir to legitimatize his rule. IMAGE: www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/scarface/458/16bba87e0.jpg IMAGE: www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/scarface/458/16b7a87e0.jpg IMAGE: www.fortunecity.com/millennium/smiles/224/36c5a87e0.jpg screencaps from Momo's Roswell [ 12-11-2003: Message edited Citrus and Vine ] |
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Posted 12-11-2003 02:10 PM by Mone
Welcome Leanne!
quote: Me too. So are you two willing to share co-ownership of the promised cookie? Here you are...
quote: Sweet idea - he'll be very happy. |
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Posted 12-11-2003 05:11 PM by ukspacegirl
Thank you,Mone! C&V - I thought the Royal Seal of Antar went to Michael because Max actually died.. Michael was the next in line - of the hybrids living on Earth, that is.. remember Liz thought they'd have to kill Michael so that Max could get the seal back.. but Max was able to take it because he overpowered Michael, and after all, he wuz the King.. And in 4AAB, Max gave the seal to baby Zan, didn't he? IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=7bf42be9-2f72-bbd2-60a6-609c723e643b&size= Tho Max told his mum it was 'just a memory'. Kivar rejected Zan jr because he was human, but also perhaps because the child didn't have the seal when he was born. I think Kivar wanted Max dead. It was just a matter of bad timing on Kivar's part..
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Posted 12-11-2003 05:14 PM by ukspacegirl
Mone, I think you might like this ( the pertty pictures, anyway ) - a song cap, For Emily, if ever I find her IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=728fab4d-5209-28c3-3bcf-17ff37ea7648&size= What a dream I had IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=6e5f26d8-6ff8-7844-3308-7d3610ac310d&size= Softer than the rain I wandered empty streets IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=67c64d8e-1a40-4b7c-132d-d8a0520d1957&size= I heard cathedral bells IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=2cd63f8c-6118-3f2c-7f5e-4e6f6dd688b4&size= And when you ran to me IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=620d20ac-624e-4a49-5d55-6bf3471e694c&size= We walked on frosted fields IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=2a727170-4b4d-55cb-4173-575a25d6487e&size= I held your hand IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=7a2d6732-124a-403c-58a0-a85b3fb33d40&size= And when I awoke IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=32c16b5f-747f-44fd-5440-2a28411c675b&size= Oh I love you girl IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=4e9d1f1c-13dd-36e4-1890-730659c41906&size= Oh I love IMAGE: www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=62982550-7227-7a92-d30d-56f782f56272&size= You..
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Posted 12-11-2003 05:15 PM by ukspacegirl
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Posted 12-11-2003 07:25 PM by jayta
KathyW: Yup. I thought the cookies would make it a good reading I hope you liked it! When I get the time, I'll head over to your fanfic and sit down and read it all...I promise Waiting for a new thread! I'm never here when they start EternalBeliever! |
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Posted 12-11-2003 07:29 PM by Kathy W
*Sigh* Got my Firefly DVD's. Three unaired episodes, behind-the-scenes stuff, a gag reel. The only bad part is it's Thursday, so I can't stay up 'till a million o'clock and watch it all.
quote: I've never heard that particular theory before, but I'm not surprised. Everything Tess ever said or did from birth onwards is held suspect, so why not that? I think our tree is a Douglas fir. Is that a long or short needle? I haven't a clue. It's big and bushy and it smells great. I hope your son enjoys his Christmas tree surprise. He has his own flat? What's it like to have a child move out? My eldest just got his PSAT scores back (a practice college entrance exam), and he's sulking in his room. Simon and Garfunkel--one of my favorites! Citrus and Vine: I'm having a great deal of fun with the royal seal in the (backstory) fanfiction I'm writing. The seal is just beginning to form on one of the Zan hybrids, and the shapeshifters are getting all excited. I must admit I was kind of surprised when the emissary blasted that light through Max's head and all the dots started dancing. I was expecting a "V" shape, but I wasn't expecting a dancing "V" shape.
quote: Dobs came up with that at the beginning of the last thread, so he gets the whole batch. But I won't object if he wants to share. |
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Posted 12-11-2003 07:58 PM by Dobson
i'll share this time |
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Posted 12-12-2003 05:50 AM by Mone
That's the Christmas Spirit! When's our Rebel Christmas Party? Loving the songcap, especially the crystal clear pics. I approve! in Tessie's words. I think that maybe the royal seal wasn't something Zan had had back home on Antar. It could've been inserted into the alien-human hybrid mix to identify the king and/or the other royals. And that's why it didn't get passed on to Zan with Max's DNA. The seal could've been designed "to jump the nearest podster" in case of Max's death. The Antarians probably wanted to be able to identify their "offspring". Why else would Khivar and Nicholas be interested in a nice public Max execution? They could just execute a completely random guy. The podsters don't look like their former selves. That's why they needed someone with the seal. What's interesting is that it transferred to Michael, the second in comand. According to Earth royalty, it should've been Isabel. I like Citrus & Vine's idea of an intelligent seal that left out Isabel because she was severly injured when the seal was looking for a new host. Or the rebel skins were not the only ones that saw an alternative king in Rath. Which is very interesting... But it's Roswell, so the interesting plots don't matter. Don't get me started on Max passing on this (in many different ways dangerous) seal to his little child - without any alien guidance or protection for the baby in sight... Grrrrrrrr. So Liz thought if Michael died, the seal would go back to Max? I'd say it would pass on to Isabel or Tess. But I'm probably forgetting the fact that everything is about Liz and thus everything is about Max. [ 12-12-2003: Message edited Mone ] |
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Posted 12-12-2003 04:58 PM by ukspacegirl
Mone - I never thought of that - as Tess/ava was Queen, if they'd been following Earth rules then the Seal would have passed to Tess,or Isabel, as the sister (older in Earth years, but on Antar who knows!) - I'm okay with it being all about Max, BTW! (Liz who?) Kathy - I did go and sort out the Christmas tree today for my son. It looks lovely, too! It's odd to have a child leave home.. My son got his own place 2 years ago, but I still plan nice meals for when he visits. I'll always be his mum, I guess! Rebel Party! We certainly know how to party.. bring on the karaoke! Dobson, will you be DJ? Jayta, JustMe |
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Posted 12-12-2003 09:24 PM by Kathy W
*Breaks cookie in half* Thanks, Dobs! Wow. Cookies from Dobs, cookies from Jayta, not to mention all the Christmas cookies. I hope I fit into my jeans come January. Mone: I always wondered if the seal was a way to identify the king on a planet full of shapeshifters, any one of whom could have taken the king's form. I'm still wondering. I don't think Max gave his son the royal seal. The dots didn't look right for the royal seal, and he called it a "memory". He was giving up his son so his son could live a normal life. Max knew what a burden that seal is; I don't think he would have dumped it on his son. I'm not even sure he could have. The baby's completely human, right? Is it possible to pass the royal seal of Antar to a human? (If so, should Antar advertise for a new monarch? ) |
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Posted 12-13-2003 01:47 AM by ukspacegirl
(If so, shound Antar advertise for a new monarch?) Kathy, maybe this was to do with the fact that the aliens weren't intending to go back to Antar.. from a report on the Obsessie thread, apparently the intention for S4, if there was to be one, was for the aliens to settle in San Francisco, embrace their alien-ness, and use their powers to help people.. BTW - on the OTO thread - LTL and Michelle just spend the day filming on 'Livien' with JB in Central Park! Wow! Soo exciting!!
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Posted 12-14-2003 08:40 AM by Dobson
anything they did would have been kept on earth |
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Posted 12-15-2003 12:44 AM by ukspacegirl
Dobson, yes, I agree. would they have had to rename the show 'San Fransisco' I wonder if they would have brought back Kivar, Lonnie and Rath, or Tess? Probably the FBI wouldn't have finished with them..
Rebels! BBL! |
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Posted 12-15-2003 07:41 AM by Dobson
Well as tess's Queen, Max would be in the right city ...... |
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Posted 12-15-2003 08:52 AM by Mone
Happy Monday, everyone!
quote: From what I've read about the European royals I think that they all go strictly by the blood line. In the UK and in the Netherlands they have a queen and their hubbies' are/were officially titled "Prince" because they are only the significant others and not direct offspring of the royal family. However, in Sweden and I think also in Spain they have a king *and* a queen. But I'm pretty sure that also in these countries the children are always next in line and never the significant others who married into the family. So Ava may have been the queen - but only because she was his wife. She wouldn't get to rule the planet after his death. Her children would be next. That's why it is weird/intriguing for me that the seal passed to Michael. Of all of the Royal Four I'd say that he's the one who might not have been re-created out of sentimentality/mourning and duty/loyalty/devotion but because he was a well-respected warrior who would help the others to survive and to return. Zan had trusted him and Vilandra had loved him. That's enough reason to re-create him but I don't think it was ever intended for him to become king. Sadly they never addressed it... but I was very interested in finding out about Rath's and Ava's origins. We know that Zan and Vilandra were part of the royal family of Antar. But did the others even come from the same planet? Were they even royals? They could've easily found convincing motivation for Tess here: Let her reveal in Decrapture that Ava was actually from another planet and that Zan's decisions got half her planet killed. I'd say that's something that would damage her loyalty to her husband and something that would make the re-born Tess place her return to *her* parents above her attraction and loyalty to Max. The same goes for Michael... By the way... Anybody else in love with Max's "And that makes her the Queen!" line?
quote: What if Max wasn't exactly giving up little Zan entirely? Maybe he gave him something (wacky alien name tag or spyware) in order to easily find his son in the future because it was never his intention to give his son into the custody of others for good. Maybe Max wanted to find and live with Zan jr. happily ever after once it was safe. He lied to his mother when he said something about a memory. He would never do that: The whole vague memory business didn't exactly work well for him and Isabel and Michael. *waits for lightning to strike her* |
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Posted 12-15-2003 09:47 AM by Eternal*Believer
Wow! Look at all the in depth discussion going on in here. I think it possibly could have been a memory, cos it would mean that Zan would eventually want to know about his 'real' parents and come looking for them. With a memory he would more likely know somewhere to start. But it would also mean that he wouldn't be able to look untikl he was a little bit older. After all the pod squad had a few memories which helped them out a little. Not least when Max remembered Tess being in the pod chamber with them. |
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Posted 12-15-2003 09:51 AM by Eternal*Believer
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Posted 12-15-2003 11:29 AM by Mone
quote: You're welcome. Sooooo... Let's assume that Max planted a visual memory in Zan's head. Does that count as a mindwarp? IMAGE: www.fortunecity.co.uk/roswell/philosophy/63/3/4alien/fbaby159.jpg ETA: Page 11. I already started the last thread, so if any of you guys would like to have the honour to start the next one... go ahead! [ 12-15-2003: Message edited Mone ] |
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Posted 12-15-2003 12:48 PM by Dobson
new thread |