Topic: The Science Fiction of Off the Menu
By LSS 05-14-2001, 08:29 PM


Hmmm--a lot of SF in tonight's eppy...

1) HUMAN CELL PHONES. We learned a lot in "Off the Menu" about the mechanics of communication between earth and aliens on the home planet. The electric shock that Brodie suffered allowed him to access the unused part of his brain that Larak utilized in prior communication processes. That in itself is interesting...does it mean that such communication involves an exchange of memories? Or is there a link that now allows some type of access?

Also, I know that our aliens were in a crisis situation--but didn't you want to ask some questions? And why did Max all of a sudden deny the so-called truth of his love for Tess? Only, in the end, to come back and tell her that he remembered her? Was what he saw in Brodie's mind that persuasive?

2) DEMARIOUS ROCK AND RED SEAS. Crimson seas and rock outcroppings...sigh...but no visible sign of alien habitation. Can't help but wish we'd see more than scenary!

3) GENERATORS AND POWER OUTAGES. While power was out all over Roswell and backup generators were called on by humans, a different kind of generator was used for a different kind of "power" outage at the UFO Center.

How did tonight's eppy correlate to the previous one in which we saw that same generator activated? Of course, previously Michael did not report anything that he felt had happen. But then, would Max and Tess even have realized their power loss had Brodie not mentioned it?

4) WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BABY? Little alien Jr was conspicuous in his absence. Remember, we are talking about a one month gestation period...and last week we saw in that sonogram a pretty developed fetus. It was odd that the whole pregnancy theme simply dropped out of the storyline this week wasn't it? I mean, both Max and Tess were thrust back and Max didn't even see if she was OK.

5) JUST SURVIVING. Max's words really blew me away. In Destiny we learned of the alien grand plan in the momogram. And we've had glimpses of that far off conflict throughout Season 2. And now Max is talking about going home as if there is no conflict at all? This just doesn't make any sense!

Just surviving...it seems like that is what we are all doing right now...both our aliens and the viewers watching them. Hope the finale ties up some loose ends!

What did you think folk?

LSS

By Qfanny 05-14-2001, 08:47 PM

Well, LSS, it was obvoius to me that this episode was out of place. It makes more sense in the original order before HoM. Anyway, I digress;

I want to talk about Larek/Brody in this episode. The access to alien memories is triggered by a large electrical force? Was Whitaker really trying to kill Isabel then or was she just trying to get Isabel to remember her life as Vilondra. Never understood that scene. This one with Brody/Larek was closer to a dead squirrel. Brody should have been fryed. I wonder if his body has been altered to withstand that sort of electrical shock. When people are struck by lightning, it is for a moment. But Brody/Larek's electric shock was longer lasting. I dunno. Reggie - what's your take on Brody as the dead squirrel?

Also, the alien 101 lesson Maria gets about the brains capacity to work. I thought that Nasedo/Harding was pretty clear that they (podsters) had full function of their brain because of biology. There was more evidence that powers were like an electronic function in this episode. Frankly, I liked it, but it doesn't fit in the entire canon.

Now, something that will scare many a poster: If any episode has made me reconsider my position as Liz being 100% human, this is it.

1) Brody/Larek says he can tell the difference.
2) He says that Liz is one of them, says she has alien powers, says that she's an alien.
3) Then Tess says, "EVERYTHING that Larek has said is true."

I don't know. I really want Liz to stay human, but as Maria DeLuca's chalkboard lesson said, there was a Key to everything in this episode.

By justsmile 05-14-2001, 08:49 PM

Hey LSS

I just don't know where Sean got his confidence... It's like he had no Worry's and was shocked when brody stabbed him. And did you notice that not only was it not serious but It didn't cause him pain... yah there was blood but other then some OH AUGH looks NOTHING.

I don't get it

Oh yah the reason this ep. was moved was so it didn't land on that April week with all the tragic anniversories that happened in America...

justsmile

By StrawBehryApplesauce 05-14-2001, 08:54 PM

I just wanted to post this...

I was very interested in the trithium (or tritium? Trithium isn't a word) amplification generator, so I looked up the three separate words (for a more scientific answer than "a machine thingy") and stuck them together. This is what I got:

Trithium (Tritium?) Amplification Generator


Trithium (was not found), and it suggested:

Tritium: a rare radioactive hydrogen isotope…prepared artificially for use as a tracer and as a constituent of hydrogen bombs.

Amplification: Physics - the process of increasing the magnitude of a variable quantity, especially the magnitude of voltage, power, or current without altering any other quality.

Generator: a) One that generates, especially a machine that converts mechanical energy into electrical energy. b) A circuit that generates a specified waveform.

Basically, it’s a machine that converts a rare radioactive isotope which increases the magnitude of power into a waveform.

Or...something less confusing. I may be wrong. Actually, I think I'm wrong.


Lindsay


By SexyOne 05-14-2001, 08:58 PM

quote:Originally posted by LSS:

4) WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BABY? Little alien Jr was conspicuous in his absence. Remember, we are talking about a one month gestation period...and last week we saw in that sonogram a pretty developed fetus. It was odd that the whole pregnancy theme simply dropped out of the storyline this week wasn't it? I mean, both Max and Tess were thrust back and Max didn't even see if she was OK.

That's because this took place BEFORE all of that. Before the baby, before Alex, before Prom, before Everything. That's what Maria said in her little introduction. "Something happened a few weeks ago...I didn't think it was important to tell you at the time. But if you watch closely, it contains the key to everything." That's what Maria said. Notice the part in bold.

By StrawBehryApplesauce 05-14-2001, 09:01 PM

quote:That's what Maria said in her little introduction. "Something happened a few weeks ago...I didn't think it was important to tell you at the time. But if you watch closely, it contains the key to everything."

I didn't even realize she said that! Thank you

By plumeria 05-14-2001, 09:02 PM

Wow, a lot of Sci-Fi in this ep...

My question about Brody -- The way he was talking, when he spoke to Max about "why are we here" and "we get to go home?" made it sound like Brody IS Larek, the way that Max IS Zan. But until today, I'd always thought of them as completely separate. Brody was a convenient vessel, but Larek was still very much in existence and *still on* Antar. But today it sounded as if Brody/Larek were the same person, almost a multiple personality in the same body, with the different areas of memory on Brody's brain. What do you all think?

And did anyone else think of the classic Far Side cartoon "May I be excused? My brain is full." It describes Brody perfectly.

Yes, some elements made more sense when viewed in light of it being originally scheduled for before HoM, like Max not remembering Tess until then, and the absence of the baby, and the fact that Maria implied Liz was still sort-of with Max (which, in the current timeline, she definitely is not, sigh...)

The Pentagon Thing -- what did Brody call it? The Trithiam Abdification Generator? Do you think it has some other purpose, other than to turn alien powers off? And it seemed like it only affected the aliens in the building -- Michael and Iz still had their powers once they left again. What's the range of the gizmo?

Sean - yes, the inconsistency with the severity of his injury bothered me. Was it serious or not? Did he ever receive treatment?

Ok, I'm off to the CHAD thread and a few others. Back later.

By plumeria 05-14-2001, 09:38 PM

Oh! Is *that* how they're explaining the rearrangement of eps? This was supposed to be a flashback of sorts, a re-creation of what happened "a few weeks ago"? I somehow missed that that's what Maria was trying to say. I knew that this ep was supposed to air before HoM, but didn't realize that they set it up as if it had taken place in that order. Good catch!

I'm going to bed. 'Night all!

By estherterrestrial 05-14-2001, 10:22 PM

Good evening everyone,

Thanks for the observations LSS! Here are the things that I noticed during "Off the Menu:"

1) Tess can erase memories. She erased Amy DeLuca's memories of the hostage situation somehow, and I don't think that we had seen this power before.

2) As LSS and Plumeria mentioned, the pentagon device blocks the aliens' powers within a certain radius. Either the radius is not that big, or else it is blocked by walls, because Michael was able to use his powers in the alley behind the UFO Museum. Is it possible that someone in close proximity to the Pod Squad was using the device when Max tried to heal Alex?

3) We finally had an independent source (Larek) confirm that Max loved Tess in his former life. Thus, it was not an arranged marriage after all. (sniff!)

4) Larek described Zan as having been shy/bashful in his youth. This is not the trait of a despotic leader. Either Zan had a dramatic personality change (due to a bad marriage perhaps?), or Courtney was wrong about Zan when she told Michael the reasons for the rebellion.

5) We learned that the aliens use an unused portion of the human subject's brain when the take control of the subject's body, and that they even store memories there. These memories may be accessed by a strong electrical impulse. Is it possible that kissing Isabel caused an electrical imbalance in Alex? In other words, did the kiss trigger memories from the formerly possessed portion of his brain? (This assumes that Alex/Ray was possessed in order to perform the translation of the book.)

OT, at least we finally learned why Liz was on a date with Sean!

By LondonLuvs 05-14-2001, 10:39 PM

quote:Originally posted by estherterrestrial:
Is it possible that someone in close proximity to the Pod Squad was using the device when Max tried to heal Alex?

Is it possible that kissing Isabel caused an electrical imbalance in Alex? In other words, did the kiss trigger memories from the formerly possessed portion of his brain? (This assumes that Alex/Ray was possessed in order to perform the translation of the book.)

Ok..you made some good points...if someone really wanted Alex dead, they could have had one of those thingies....they could have blocked Maxs power...but.....Max tried to use his power tonight, and he couldnt. I think if he had tried then, he would have realized it wasnt working then either..it didnt work cus Alex was already dead. In my opinion.

Secondly...was Alex playing with his guitar in his room? Ifso, that could have caused a shock...

and lastly...everyone is making a big deal of Tess power of erasing Amys memory...about how her powers seem stronger...but..in case people have forgotten...in season one, Max somehow allowed Liz to speak to her grandmother while she was on her death bed. In my opinion, that is a much bigger power..even though it hasnt been mentioned since. I think that all the aliens have powers they havnt honed on to yet.

By brainchick 05-14-2001, 11:06 PM

quote:Originally posted by estherterrestrial:

3) We finally had an independent source (Larek) confirm that Max loved Tess in his former life. Thus, it was not an arranged marriage after all. (sniff!)[/B]

I wouldn't go that far. I suggest you watch Tess again if you can. She is sitting there with her eyes closed while Larek relates this information. I think she implant the memory, just like she erased Amy's memory later in the show.

Don't give up yet. All will be revealed (fingers crossed, hoping) next week.


By Lorrilei1960 05-14-2001, 11:15 PM

Hey all...
Just a little thought...
The whole bit about using humans as "intergalactic cell phones" makes perfect sense if you think about what Max(?) said about humans not using their full brain capacity. To tap into an unused portion of a human's brain would be much simpler than trying to contact Max & co. directly, because their brains are already "full"....if you see what I mean.
Can't wait for next week...sigh....

By fourfiftyone 05-14-2001, 11:22 PM

My only question is what the "key to everything" could be? The only thing that I can put my finger on is Tess and how powerful Maria sees she is. In the scene where Tess erases Amy's memory you see Maria looking at her with a suspicious glare. That is my only theory. Any others?

By LondonLuvs 05-14-2001, 11:30 PM

quote:Originally posted by fourfiftyone:
My only question is what the "key to everything" could be? The only thing that I can put my finger on is Tess and how powerful Maria sees she is. In the scene where Tess erases Amy's memory you see Maria looking at her with a suspicious glare. That is my only theory. Any others?


Um..I dunno. I didnt really see the suspicious glare. I kinda saw a look of relief that Maria wasnt going to have to barter her car in exchange for her mothers silence or something *lol*

By fourfiftyone 05-14-2001, 11:33 PM

LOL. Agreed.

So what is the key?

By Nighthawk 05-14-2001, 11:36 PM

I figured the key was either Tess's erasing Amy's memory, or else something to do with Sean. Something about that guy bugs me...plus, his memory was very conspicuously NOT erased. Hmmm.

By LondonLuvs 05-14-2001, 11:39 PM

This might because Im a Tess fan, but I find it more likely that SEAN has something to do with this, than Tess being the "evil" that everyone says she is.
I think the "key" has to do with Liz, and the fact that Brody said he could tell the difference between humans and aliens, then saying they sent an alien in(speaking of Liz)

By fourfiftyone 05-14-2001, 11:43 PM

I'm not really anti-Tess that just seemed to make more sense. The whole Liz-alien-Brody can tell thing could be that Brody/Larek was sometimes talking and sometimes just being totally paranoid and irrational. That's what I thought about when I Brody/Larek said that...

By Nighthawk 05-14-2001, 11:46 PM

I figured Brody was just saying that Liz was an alien because he realized the food was cooked by alien means...I don't think he could really tell who was an alien and who wasn't, except from the memories he had from his "abductions". See, he said he knew Max and Tess were aliens because they were with him at the Summit. And there, Larek had mentioned a few things about their past on Antar...not when he introduced them, but he was clearly feeling nostalgic, and maybe some of his thoughts then stuck with Brody. (Am I reaching, or what?) So that could explain the memory of T&M's first meeting. Later, when Brody was talking to Max about going home, he said "and the others?" I took that to mean that he knew there were others, but didn't know who they were--why didn't he say "and Michael and Isabel?" or "and Rath and Vilandra?"

'Course, I could be wrong. Liz has obviously changed because of being healed, so who knows?

By LondonLuvs 05-14-2001, 11:52 PM

quote:Originally posted by Nighthawk:
I figured Brody was just saying that Liz was an alien because he realized the food was cooked by alien means...I don't think he could really tell who was an alien and who wasn't, except from the memories he had from his "abductions". See, he said he knew Max and Tess were aliens because they were with him at the Summit. And there, Larek had mentioned that he introduced them (I think...I have to check the transcript). So that could explain the memory of T&M's first meeting. Later, when Brody was talking to Max about going home, he said "and the others?" I took that to mean that he knew there were others, but didn't know who they were--why didn't he say "and Michael and Isabel?" or "and Rath and Vilandra?"

I would agree with all of that, but he knew Isabel was an alien, even though Michael was the only one who used his powers in front of Brody when they came inside the building.

By Nighthawk 05-14-2001, 11:57 PM

Did he say they were aliens? I don't remember.

I need to rewatch this whole ep...I keep forgetting things! I'm so annoyed by the whole cryptic intro thing--it's making me obsess even more than usual!

By fourfiftyone 05-15-2001, 12:00 AM

When Brody/Larek referred to "the others" I think he meant "the others" he had mentioned from the Summit.

By Luna G 05-15-2001, 12:02 AM

quote:Originally posted by plumeria:
My question about Brody -- The way he was talking, when he spoke to Max about "why are we here" and "we get to go home?" made it sound like Brody IS Larek, the way that Max IS Zan. But until today, I'd always thought of them as completely separate. Brody was a convenient vessel, but Larek was still very much in existence and *still on* Antar. But today it sounded as if Brody/Larek were the same person, almost a multiple personality in the same body, with the different areas of memory on Brody's brain. What do you all think?

I've been thinking about this, and I'm wondering if it's as simple as a multiple personality disorder(simple, yeah, ok). Rather than it being Brody, then Larek, then Brody, I tend to think it was as if Brody was not himself, but not Larek either. A different person all together, due to the strange combination of memories. The idea I'm tossing around here is that a person is the sum of their experiences, which we can only make sense of through our memories. Take away certain memories, and the person is different. So, when this NEW person was asking Max about "am I an alien" and "will we go home", he was just trying to figure out who and what he was.

Could something like this have been happening to Alex?

Remember at the summit in New York? A dazed Brody arrived in New York, looking bewildered. In retrospect, I'm not sure that Larek was entirely in charge at that point. Maybe Brody was in another one of these half&half states. Because, if you think about it, why would Larek & co. possess bodies across America, transport them to the summit, and then tell Max he has to make a very important decision in just 20 minutes? That short of a deadline makes it sound as if every moment counts.

Do you all think that Larek's entire memory has been downloaded into Brody's head? Is that why it was so "full"?

And, finally, about Tess' mindwarp of Amy. She did more than just erase Amy's memory, she must have added memories too. As soon as Amy, Maria, and Sean entered the UFO center, she knew something bad was going on with Brody, he had a gun and was threatening them. After the mindwarp, she appeared to think they had been trapped in the UFO center by the power outage for some time. What do you all think?

Edited to say: Who wants to take a crack at why the water is red? And why the big rock looks suspiciously like Vasquez Rocks, um, I mean the pod chamber


By fourfiftyone 05-15-2001, 12:09 AM

The whole Tess adding memories thing really goes to support the Tess mindwarping or adding memories to Max.

By estherterrestrial 05-15-2001, 08:15 AM

quote:Originally posted by LondonLuvs:
Ok..you made some good points...if someone really wanted Alex dead, they could have had one of those thingies....they could have blocked Maxs power...but.....Max tried to use his power tonight, and he couldnt. I think if he had tried then, he would have realized it wasnt working then either..it didnt work cus Alex was already dead. In my opinion.

Yes, LondonLuvs, I think that you're probably right about Max not being able to heal Alex because he was already dead. I guess I was just trying to find "the key to everything" in last night's eppie!

By estherterrestrial 05-15-2001, 08:18 AM

quote:Originally posted by Nighthawk:
I figured Brody was just saying that Liz was an alien because he realized the food was cooked by alien means...

That's what I thought too, Nighthawk. (Sorry Qfanny!)

By estherterrestrial 05-15-2001, 08:23 AM

quote:Originally posted by brainchick:
I wouldn't go that far. I suggest you watch Tess again if you can. She is sitting there with her eyes closed while Larek relates this information.

But what about the scene where Max heals Brody and gets the flashes of kissing Tess by their rock? Wasn't Tess in the other room at that point? I guess I'll need to watch this episode again.

quote:Originally posted by brainchick:
Don't give up yet. All will be revealed (fingers crossed, hoping) next week.

Okay, brainchick, I'll keep believing and I'll keep my fingers crossed too!

By plumeria 05-15-2001, 08:45 AM

Thanks to those of you who gave their theories on my Brody/Larek question.

Re: The "key". I think it might be Tess erasing Amy's memories, as a key to Alex losing his own memories. I like Tess when she's on her own, doing her own thing, bantering with Kyle, helping the group, being slashed with Liz or Iz (oops -- did I say that out loud? ) etc, but when it comes to Max ... she seems like a different person, more capable of being manipulative in order to get what she wants. So I reserve judgment on whether or not she might have a sinister role in all this or not.

Re: Alien-cooked food. Perhaps Brody noticed only because it didn't taste like it had been cooked on a grill, and by then he was so suspicious of all things alien, that was the first (and correct) lucky guess he made. It doesn't seem like humans can tell the difference, re: the burger that Isabel cooked in LN. Of course, that burger had at least partly been done "normally", whereas the food in OTM was entirely done by aliens.

By LSS 05-15-2001, 11:12 AM

quote:Originally posted by SexyOne:
That's because this took place BEFORE all of that. Before the baby, before Alex, before Prom, before Everything. That's what Maria said in her little introduction. [b]"Something happened a few weeks ago...I didn't think it was important to tell you at the time. But if you watch closely, it contains the key to everything." That's what Maria said. Notice the part in bold.


[/B]

Hi SexyOne!

Thanks!

That makes a lot of sense out of something that made no sense at all!!!

LSS

By Juniper 05-15-2001, 11:39 AM

Plu, you mentioned Larek/Brody's confusion about going home. I interpreted Max telling him they were trying to go home as his attempt to comfort him/talk him down from a ledge. I certainly don't take it to mean that Brody and Larek are now one and the same. (And Max didn't have any interest in going home until 'Baby, It's You.' What's with that?) The other human cell phones at the summit aren't going to ever be mentioned again. However, I can't recall the episode, but after Max in the City Isabel and Co. forced Larek out again ("this body has not been prepared for communication...its heart has stopped.") Perhaps their rather cavalier use of Brody has caused him some residual problems.

On Brody's assumption that Liz was an alien, well, seemed like the paranoia talking to me, Qfanny.

So, this Trithium Ampli...pentagon thing. If it has an electrical effect, you'd assume there would be an effect on anything within range, human or alien or vegetable or mineral. If it's an effect on the alien brainpower, like let's say it wipes out 90% of brain function, then humans would be unaffected and aliens would be reduced to ordinary human function. It's clearly a weapon, but where did he get it?

And about the pentagon, if we are leaning toward suspecting that Tess was working the warp at different times during the ordeal, does that mean it didn't affect her? I tend to think she was powerless too, which means that the memories Larek described about their first meeting would be genuine. Except now that I suss this out, I'm thinking, why would Brody be unaffected by the pentagon? Why would he have access to memories as long as the thing was in effect?

I'm not sure what exactly to make of his virtual reality gear, but I got the impression he's been trying for a while to program what little he remembered with the aid of computer imagery. This seemed relatively fictionalized to me. Anyone? Can you, for example, describe a dream and get a visual rendering with the help of VR?

So Sean knows now? But in Heart of Mine, this was not brought up. Does he just figure Brody's a nutcase and Tess and Max would just say anything to get themselves out of this mess? Why wouldn't Tess try to alter Sean's memory too? Or did Amy the squeaky wheel get the only grease?

My theory on the key: I don't really have one. But I accept all possibilities involving Tess.

By Sword9 05-15-2001, 12:36 PM

Here's my take on the whole Brody/Larek thing. It seems to me, that when the aliens take over a body they like to have their own memories to use for their visit. So the memories are just stored there for use whenever his persona is just downloaded into the donors body. Kind of like how it's alot easier to keep all your operating system on your hard drive rather than reinstalling it every time you booted up. imagine that, having to install windows every time after you shut it down?!?! yuck.

I think the electric shock combined with his probing his mind about the whole alien issue just let Brody hit the parts of his brain where they were. I doubt that an electric shock could have done the trick every time. This was a freak accident. Therefore, when this happened, he couldn't tell any difference between his own memories and Larek's. With this occurring, he essentially became a Larek/Brody mix. That's why he knew about aliens yet still called Max by his Roswell name and not Zan. Most of the time.

I think the little pentagon shaped device is probably similar to a radar jammer like you'd use in your car to stop cops from reading your speed. it doesn't take away powers, it just stops them at the source from being used.

I think the whole "key" thing is related to max realizing his former relationship with tess.

By shwabogy 05-15-2001, 12:39 PM

I have to agree that I think the key is Tess and the memory deleting.

MY ONLY POINT IS IF MAX IS REALLY WORKING OFF HIS OWN MEMORIES AND NOT THAT OFF WHICH TESS AND DELETED/AND OR CHANGED......THEN THE QUESTION IS....WHEN MAX REMEMBERS KISSING TESS BACK ON ANATAR AT THE ROCK AND THE RED OCEAN.....THEN WHY DO WE SEE MAX AND TESS IN HUMAN FORM? WOULDN'T THEY BE IN ALIEN FORM IF IT INDEED CAME FROM HIS OWN ACTUAL MEMORIES? I THINK THIS IS THE KEY!

Peace

By shwabogy 05-15-2001, 12:39 PM

I have to agree that I think the key is Tess and the memory deleting.

MY ONLY POINT IS IF MAX IS REALLY WORKING OFF HIS OWN MEMORIES AND NOT THAT OFF WHICH TESS AND DELETED/AND OR CHANGED......THEN THE QUESTION IS....WHEN MAX REMEMBERS KISSING TESS BACK ON ANATAR AT THE ROCK AND THE RED OCEAN.....THEN WHY DO WE SEE MAX AND TESS IN HUMAN FORM? WOULDN'T THEY BE IN ALIEN FORM IF IT INDEED CAME FROM HIS OWN ACTUAL MEMORIES? I THINK THIS IS THE KEY!

Peace

By FlyOnTheWall 05-15-2001, 12:54 PM

Hi all:

I haven't posted in a LONG time. Here's my take on it for what it is worth. We all know that Tess can implant thoughts, if not memories, in a person’s head. Remember when she did that to Max in Season 1 in their chemistry class. I remember Max clearly telling Liz (after he kissed Tess in the rain) that “it’s like I cannot control myself when I am around her (Tess).” This season, Tess’s mind control powers have been less used but this situation with Amy reminds us all of her power. There is clearly a lot more there than meets the eye. I think Tess may have put those thoughts and memories into Brody’s head so that when he discussed them, it would help trigger Max’s memories. It is kind of odd that what Larek would remember of his lifelong friendship with Xan is Xan’s first kiss with his wife— weird!

I also think there is something going on with Sean but I am not sure what. I want to believe that Liz is human but perhaps Brody calling her an alien is the KEY?!

By LondonLuvs 05-15-2001, 12:54 PM

quote:Originally posted by shwabogy:
THEN WHY DO WE SEE MAX AND TESS IN HUMAN FORM? WOULDN'T THEY BE IN ALIEN FORM IF IT INDEED CAME FROM HIS OWN ACTUAL MEMORIES? I THINK THIS IS THE KEY!

Peace


I think the human form was for the viewing audience. It would confuse people to see two alien forms kissing and groping on tv.

By Juniper 05-15-2001, 01:08 PM

Like Springer, I have a final thought. Tess couldn't mindwarp Brody, and we know this to be true, because the directorial choice was to let us "see" the inside of his head and the jumble of thoughts there. Significance of this, if any, is TBD.

By Rebecca 05-15-2001, 02:46 PM

quote:Originally posted by estherterrestrial:
Good evening everyone,


5) We learned that the aliens use an unused portion of the human subject's brain when the take control of the subject's body, and that they even store memories there. These memories may be accessed by a strong electrical impulse. Is it possible that kissing Isabel caused an electrical imbalance in Alex? In other words, did the kiss trigger memories from the formerly possessed portion of his brain?


Very interesting idea. Reminds me of the Kisses and Flashes between Max and Liz in SH.
Could it be the same kind of electrical trigger that enables Liz to see flashes?

By shwabogy 05-15-2001, 03:27 PM

quote:

By estherterrestrial 05-16-2001, 09:00 AM

quote:Originally posted by Rebecca:

Very interesting idea. Reminds me of the Kisses and Flashes between Max and Liz in SH.
Could it be the same kind of electrical trigger that enables Liz to see flashes?

Thank you Rebecca! I was wondering the same thing. Do you think that maybe Max stored some of his memories in Liz while he was healing her? Memories that he may not be able to consciously access himself?

By Jamethiel 05-16-2001, 12:35 PM

I rather liked this episode for the speed in which the action happend, even if I remain unhappy with the logic. I think there are two things that could be the "key" referred to by Maria.

1) Tess's mindwarping abilities in all their glory are displayed in this episode. She tries to manipulate Brody/Larek but fails (so she says). The interesting thing about Brody/Larek's mind (as shown to us) is that some of the memories are Tess's. I'm referring to the "V" symbol drawn on a board by Rath. Brody/Larek wasn't there, but Tess was. I think it points to the fact that Tess was implanting some memories as well as trying to sort Brody/Larek's images. (You can see the separate images if you "pause" your tape of this episode)

2) Sean's stab wound. It looked pretty gory initially, and Liz is keeping her hand on it to stop the bleeding. (Good example of first aid). But as we go along, Sean seems to heal quickly. Now how did that happen? I think Liz was unconsciously speeding up Sean's healing. I don't think the pentagram thingy affected her. She's human, not alien, so the device wasn't directed at the way her powers work. Anyway, it's a theory!

Of course, others have pointed out that Brody/Larek accuses Liz of being an alien. So, perhaps Brody/Larek can sense some difference in Liz, and the odd tasting hamburgers just convinced him.

Sean didn't see Max do anything suspicious, but he heard him talk about being an alien, and he knows "Aunt Amy" certainly seems suspiciously unconcerned about the whole hostage situation.

I like Tess, I hope she's being manipulated by some outside force to do dastardly things. Since I don't like Sean, I'm going to nominate him as the latest hidden villain alien.

Maybe, I'll believe again, in UPN!
Jamethiel

By Juniper 05-16-2001, 02:24 PM

According to ign.com (because I won't take credit), the black sweater is the key to it all. I should have known.

Just a little levity to spice up this topic.

By estherterrestrial 05-16-2001, 02:55 PM

quote:Originally posted by Juniper:
...the black sweater is the key to it all. I should have known...

I actually wondered that earlier this afternoon! I was rewatching "Meet the Dupes," and noticed that Lonnie pulled a black sweater out of Max's closet when she and Rath were first snooping around his room and trying to find out more about him.

By Qfanny 05-16-2001, 08:46 PM

I don't know for sure if there was a spoiler posted, but I would kindly remind people not to post spoilers on Ros1 threads.

By CosmicCandy 05-16-2001, 08:51 PM

very nice!

if i had known about the tabasco bottles earlier, i would've been able to send some in.

By Aeneas 05-17-2001, 05:18 PM

Thanks LSS for starting this thread.

One other fact that we have gotten from this eppy is that alien cooked hamburgers taste different. What can we deduce from this? I would speculate that the "normal" burger cooking processes (frying or grilling) involved chemical processes (oxidation?). When Michaeal and Iz use their powers to cook the burgers they end up tasting different. Why should this be? Iz melted the cheese on her burger, this would appear to be a simple thermal reaction. The burgers Michael cooked appeared as though they were normally cooked. What would have to occur for the meat to change appearance without undergoing the chemical reaction?

By Juniper 05-17-2001, 05:20 PM

quote:Originally posted by Qfanny:
I don't know for sure if there was a spoiler posted, but I would kindly remind people not to post spoilers on Ros1 threads.

I hope you're not referring to the black sweater line -- as that was a joke. My attempt to liven up the thread. Which has been quiet. Too quiet. I'm just going to nod off now. Jamiethiel, Estherterrestrial, someone, will you wake me when it's Monday again?

By AlexEvans 05-17-2001, 05:47 PM

It sounds like they directly heat the burgers - akin to microwaving them instead of grilling them. I think someone mentioned this.

If they'd thought, they could have used their powers to keep the grill heated, and grilled the burgers. Would probably have been harder, and would have taken full-time instead of being nearly instantaneous, but the burgers would have tasted normal.

I finally post on the SF of OTM thread and it sounds like something that should go in a book called 'Cooking for Aliens.' Speaking of which, surely Tess used her powers a lot - she wouldn't know how to cook all that stuff the normal way, right? Maybe Jim and Kyle hadn't had a real thanksgiving dinner in so long they couldn't tell the difference, but wouldn't Amy notice? Or maybe she just has good manners.

By Jamethiel 05-17-2001, 07:46 PM

quote:Originally posted by AlexEvans:
It sounds like they directly heat the burgers - akin to microwaving them instead of grilling them. I think someone mentioned this.

If they'd thought, they could have used their powers to keep the grill heated, and grilled the burgers. Would probably have been harder, and would have taken full-time instead of being nearly instantaneous, but the burgers would have tasted normal.

I finally post on the SF of OTM thread and it sounds like something that should go in a book called 'Cooking for Aliens.' Speaking of which, surely Tess used her powers a lot - she wouldn't know how to cook all that stuff the normal way, right? Maybe Jim and Kyle hadn't had a real thanksgiving dinner in so long they couldn't tell the difference, but wouldn't Amy notice? Or maybe she just has good manners.

Laughed at the "Cooking for Aliens" cookbook title. This is the first time we've been told that alien "cooking" of meat causes it to taste "different." When Tess cooked the "turkey" in ARCC she took it out of the oven and then used her powers to "slice" the turkey. Which by the way, was a really creepy scene because the sound effects were a bit off.

Michael must have experimented a bit with cooking with his powers because he knew the burgers wouldn't taste right. Isobel, though, must not have done it much, because she seemed surprised at the taste.

I'm not sure which spoiler topic QFanny is talking about because I'm "unspoiled", pun intended.

The black sweater bit I took as a joke. I think the writers are making Tess look dastardly and mean. After all, shotgun weddings are the oldest trick in the book, in my humble opinion. I think better of Tess and hope she is being manipulated by some baddy alien.

I figure the aliens powers are a bit like microwaving and that is never as good as grilled.

I'm still more interested in Tess's rapidly expanding mindwarp powers. What if she made the other podsters forget what happened to all the skins in WipeOut? Maybe Max was tampered with after Liz saved him in Max in the City and he just doesn't remember? The problems are endless if we look back and presume that Tess could just wave her magic "wipeout" wand.

And finally, my sister said that when Kyle changed from liking Tess romantically to liking her as a "sister" in HOM that Tess was behind the change....I'm beginning to believe my sister's version of the facts (in light of OTM).

I'm believing, I'm believing!
Jamethiel

By shapeshifter 05-18-2001, 12:40 AM

Well, like Qfanny, I thought the sweater was a spoiler too. Anyway, I am wondering if there's any significance to the fact that she got it on sale.

on the liz/myth thread, 4everyoung posted that there's a green flash at the end of Tess's attempt to mindwarp Brody, and again at the end of Max's flash of the Antarian kiss. Going to sleep now, so you guys'll have to check it out.

By Dark_Angel 05-18-2001, 07:23 AM

Whassappening, y'all...I'm new to the board and I wanted to throw in my 2 cents as far as the key: I think it all depends on the writers' direction with Tess, so here's my scenarios --

1. If Tess is good, then the key would probably be the Max flashback where he remembered Tess back on Antar. However, even IF this is true, it's still obvious that Max is miserable in this relationship with Tess. NOTE: I know that this would leave some questions about the human form kiss flashback but I'll address that at the bottom.

2. If Tess is bad (or being manipulated), then the key is her being able to delete and add memories. BTW, if Tess had done that to MY mom, I would have turned back on that trithium amplification generator and got to whupping some alien butt... (I'm laughing but I'm serious)

Despite the fact that I have no ill feelings towards Tess, I would probably bet on #2. Oh and about the human form kissing: I don't know if anybody took this into consideration, but they may have been flashed in human form for "OUR" sakes...so that we know that it was Tess and Max kissing, not two alien forms we have no privy of. Also, it could have been a budget thing, to where those 1/100th of a second flashes didn't warrant spending the extraneous amount of money trying to recreate the aliens or even a time issue where they didn't have the time. Or maybe the fact that JK probably hadn't DECIDED yet what they look like on the other planet. Another possibility is that the flashes are changed for "Max's" sake...like the Mom-o-gram, Max and Tess appeared to Max in the form most familiar to Max, especially subconsciously since Max hasn't come to terms with his alien side (ITLAITB hadn't occurred where he accepted it yet, so his mind may not have been ready to accept a flash of this form). Just some thoughts on it...

(Edited to put smilie in)

By estherterrestrial 05-18-2001, 11:31 AM

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Angel:
Oh and about the human form kissing: I don't know if anybody took this into consideration, but they may have been flashed in human form for "OUR" sakes...so that we know that it was Tess and Max kissing, not two alien forms we have no privy of. Also, it could have been a budget thing, to where those 1/100th of a second flashes didn't warrant spending the extraneous amount of money trying to recreate the aliens or even a time issue where they didn't have the time. Or maybe the fact that JK probably hadn't DECIDED yet what they look like on the other planet.


Welcome to Crashdown, Dark_Angel! You have some good ideas. I tend to agree with you about the flashes that Max got while healing Brody/Larek, but there's some interesting alternative analysis on Zero's thread at http://bbs2.fanforum.com/Forum3/HTML/007683.html . Several people have looked at each frame separately and think that there are some memories that may have come from Nicholas, etc. You might want to check out the discussion over there. --Esther

By Dark_Angel 05-18-2001, 12:14 PM

Thanks for the welcome esther! I saw that thread and was really impressed with the theories; I still don't know what to think about the flashes, but it seemed like nobody took into account these alternatives...I know I sometimes look too far into things, and I did the same with the flashes until I had the thought that maybe the flashes were just not necessarily supposed to be slowed down but just supposed to give the watcher a general synopsis of what was going on in Max's brain. Anyway, I may post my thoughts over there. Thanx.

By shapeshifter 05-18-2001, 05:29 PM

This is sort of a humorous bump: Over on the Liz/Myth thread, Meta observed that Brody's flash back device was constructed primarily from a bicycle helmet! Hope they get a bigger budget at UPN, but not at the *expense* of our campy hilarity.

By Aeneas 05-18-2001, 05:36 PM

Interesting thought on the microwave oven theory for cooking the burgers. OK what do we know about how a microwave works? Microwave ovens work by exposing the food to electromagnetic fields at the H20 resonance frequency. (somewhere in the 2 GHz range) This causes the water molecules, which are strong dipoles, to oscillate back and forth. This causes friction which heats the food.

So the aliens can generate microwave EM fields. In Ask Not Brody did mention a high frequency microwave pulse (when the Orbs were activated). This also agreeds with Nascedo cooking the internal organs of FBI agents. The bad part about this is that it gives us a way to "track" our friends. Microwave receivers that work in the 2 GHz range are known as your household cordless phone, at least the new ones.

What can we say about the mechanisms required to generate EM fields at 2 GHz? Hmmm. Our poddies don't look like they carry around magnetron or Klystron tubes, so I would have to think about any chemical, biological, physical processes that generate microwave energy. Hmmmm.

By Qfanny 05-18-2001, 09:10 PM

Okay, this is off topic from this episode, but with Tess's pregnancy, I wonder about whether or not Liz can get pregnant now that she's been "altered". Oh my, maybe I'll take it to the Liz Myth thread.

By Sword9 05-18-2001, 11:50 PM

supposedly the "aliens" have the ability manipulte objects on a molecular level. The composition of a cooked burge is different than that of an uncooked one. Iz just tapped a couple of atoms around and broke the proteins down like it had been cooked. I'd say this is why they taste different. The sudden transformation is just not the same as a slow cooking process.

By Arctic Lurker 05-19-2001, 12:29 AM

I just wanted to point out that the flashes that Max gets of Tess, while he is healing Brody are the exact same flashes that Tess planted in his mind last year in the episode Max to the Max. These were experienced by the jeep, at the rocks, while Max and Tess were discussing the fact that they had to reproduce "the human way" and how she hoped that Max wasn't disappointed.

Now that is either a major chad or a definite case of Tess mind warping Brody...since he could not possibly have seen these events. Very curious indeedy.

By Unico 05-19-2001, 06:31 AM

Nope, all it means is that they didn't have enough money or time to film makeout scenes of Max and Tess so they took different takes of the MTTM flashes and added effects to them to make them alien like.

By superpoohb 05-19-2001, 08:56 AM

I used to be a huge fan of the "Liz as an alien" theory(I was hoping she was actually Max's alien wife) ...but I'll tell you what changed my mind: the episode (sorry, everyone, I have a hard time remembering the titles) in which all the humans were disappearing. I was SO SURE that the jig would be up, Liz wouldn't disappear and everyone would find out she's not human. But my theory was thrashed...Maria was the only one who lasted long enough to fix whatever was wrong with that billboard. So I think it's VERY safe to say Liz is definitely a human...I think it was just the alien-cooked burger that flipped Brody out.
I know the black sweater remark was a joke, but I do think it's weird that the power at the UFO center went haywire just as Tess arrived. Maybe Tess isn't always the same Tess? Mad Eye Moody anyone?
Sean is definitely sketchy. Even an ex-con isn't that calm in a hostage situation. Plus, can he want to go out with Liz so bad he's willing to keep his mouth shut about the whole thing? Especially if this episode had aired in original order...Sean doesn't even ask any questions about what happened. That, to me, is bizarre behavior. If Alex can be possessed without anyone realizing, than so can Sean. And it is weird that he was stabbed, layed around bleeding for a while and then got up and walked out like he was fine. We know Liz is "changed" since Max healed her (dupe Tess told us so) but does she have healing power? And if so, why doesn't Kyle have any powers?
I'm sure the key has something to do with Tess's powers and the pentagon power inhibitor thing. Did she attempt to mindwarp Brody before or after the pentagon thing was on?
Questions, questions, questions!
Blessed be

By PepperjackCandy 05-19-2001, 10:42 AM

I think that Juniper's onto something. The sweater is the key!

The sweater is either:

(a) some kind of evil shapeshifting genetic mutant that sucked Max's love for Liz out of him when he put it on (my theory); or

(b) the insignia of the King of PSAWN, and by persuading Max to accept it, she's forced him to take the throne of PSAWN, kind of like how they are reputed to have forced Lady Jane Grey to take the throne of England by encouraging her to try on the ring (dh's theory).

By BehindTheTree47 05-19-2001, 03:49 PM

I don't remember where but someone so astutely pointed out that when Brody is Larek, DA plays him without affect. Brody's played very animated by this actor. The Brody seen in OTM is animated, but he seems to have memories from the home planet. Somehow it's almost like those memories are being filtered through Brody. The power surge seemed to have erased his own memories and Larek's are replaced. Here again I have a problem because why would Larek have images of Zan/Ava in some heavy duty make out session. Is the memories a plant from someone else?

By Lizzybell 05-19-2001, 05:20 PM


The part of the simulation where Brody says 3 women and 3 men was really bugging me so I went back and watched that part as well as the corresponding parts from MITC. What I found could be nothing but I thought it was interesting.

Brody does not begin in his own seat when he says this. He is standing over Max’s right shoulder. The same place Tess was standing during the first meeting. When the simulator puts Brody into his own seat we never see that angle again, just Max’s chair alone. Of course, this could be a coincidence, but I thought given the shadow in the end of that scene and the fact that Tess does not come down the stairs but from behind them, it was worth mentioning.

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By estherterrestrial 05-20-2001, 08:18 PM

quote:Originally posted by Lizzybell:
Brody does not begin in his own seat when he says this. He is standing over Max s right shoulder. The same place Tess was standing during the first meeting.

That's a really interesting observation, Lizzybell! To further support that, didn't Brody/Larek come into the summit room from the same direction as Nicholas (rather than through the door that Max and Tess entered)? I can't wait until tomorrow's episode!

By maxcedo 05-20-2001, 08:51 PM

This is really shapeshifter borrowing maxcedo's account while mine gets fixed by Goldenboy (thanks, guys!).

Anyway, am I the only one who didn't think that when Liz put her hand over Sean's over his wound that she may have slightly healed him? Maybe as a human the trithium abdification generator doesn't impair her abilities.



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