1. ALIEN PARASITES AND CRYSTALINE STRUCTURES. In tonight's show we moved from some crystal in the closed crime scene (which obviously was not there before) to a substance that could be transfered via cotton swab from a baggie to a microscope slide. A substance that moved and pulsed under magnification. A substance that, as we saw in the preview, can change forms and is referred to as an "Alien Parasite" that may (or may not) be of danger to the human inhabitants of Roswell.

Of course this is not the first time we've seen crystals. Remember the healing ones that glowed a warm yellow/gold? Are these different from the glowing blue ones we now see? And are the glowing blue crystals of season 2 "alive"? And are they sentient? And what in the world do they "do"? Are they alien friendly but human hostile?

2. LAURIE AND THE ALIEN CONNECTION. Laurie knows about aliens. And recognizes the visage of her grandfather as a boy in Michael's face (circa 1935). If, as some folk suggested last week, we are looking at the DNA donors for Michael and Izzy in Lauria's family, then where are the donors for Max and Tess? And does that mean that Michael and Izzy are "related" on their human side? Kind of blows away the genetic foundation on the human side for a M/I pairing doesn't it?

3. MIND WARPS. How did Tess know what was coming down in a room to which she had no access? Did she day walk into Kyle's psyche? I must say, I like the T/K pairing...it is sweet and promises to aid in the development of both characters.

Well folks, quantitatively, there is not a lot of SF tonight. But what there is is rather spectacular in terms of the long range SF horizon. The possibility of finding out about the human part of our aliens' heritage is tantalizing...What do you think?

LSS

Then at the last scene, we see that the Michael looks like Laurie's (human, we're supposing) grandpa?

Please unconfuse me.

Then at the last scene, we see that the Michael looks like Laurie's (human, we're supposing) grandpa?

Please unconfuse me.

Hi Mimi!

Well---we know that Laurie does NOT freak out when she sees Izzy and Max. It is ONLY when she sees Michael that she says "You're dead" and then makes for the window. Later, we (the audience) see that photo in the de Prie family's estate/remains (?). It is Laurie's grandpa and the photo is dated 1935.

Last weel several posters suggested that the cellular glimpses that Izzy had of Laurie was due to a cellular "bond." And the previews have repeatedly referred to our finding the human origins of our aliens. Combine these ideas and you have the suggestion that Laurie's family represents at least part of the origin for the DNA component of our aliens. Or at least TWO of our aliens (Izzy and Michael). Of course the problem is that while Michael may look like his DNA donor (ole grandpa), Izzy does not look like Laurie. Moreover, if the pods are part of the 1947 crash, then Laurie would not have been born. (Of course, we have time travel via the granolith.)

Does the above help?

LSS

What I don't understand is why Isabel and Michael's DNA would come from the SAME family? I mean, if they're truly destined to be together, wouldn't their "engineers" have chosen different human DNA for each of them?

People are repulsed by the Outsider 'ship, but if this is to be believed, it's Michael/Isabel who are the genetic "siblings", and Max and Isabel have no genetic relation to each other at all.

I am also confused by Laurie's behavior -- that she would associate a duplicate of her grandfather with aliens. Makes me wonder if someone has shapeshifted to Michael before to do whatever tortures Laurie has already experienced. (What was that with the needles and injected material she was talking about? -- the blue stuff?)

LSS, I don't remember what yellow "healing crystals" you are referring to.

Hi LSS!

Alien Parasites and Crystaline Structures
Sentient? I hope not. What would that say about human viruses (or computer ones for that matter.)

I was puzzled that Max had a student microscope that could view the matter in the first place. If the substance is parasitic, wouldn't you need something more powerful than the microscope you get for Christmas at age 10? It is obviously not a valuable or unique microscope, thus the honorary location of Max's closet. (Probably under the underwear.)

Alien friendly but human hostile? Are we talking about Tess or crystals? I have no ideas on this subject. Having no science ability myself, and particularly with geology (crystals) and viruses, I don't feel I'm very qualified to answer. Perhaps and idea will trigger a thought when others post.

LAURIE AND THE ALIEN CONNECTION.
....And does that mean that Michael and Izzy are "related" on their human side? Kind of blows away the genetic foundation on the human side for a M/I pairing doesn't it?

That only walks under the assumption that Destiny plan requires mating. All last summer we talked about that damn Saturn book. (Sorry for my french, I just looked at my estimate.) I could be that Destiny plan never wanted offspring. (Still doesn't explain those dreams from TLV.) Perhaps the dreams were to awaken them to their pasts, not their future.

Mindwarps
I also like the Tess/Kyle pairing. I think I had my first joy-gagism as the Tess/Kyle shippers call it. Those two work well together. Perhaps Kyle's possible altered status made it a lot easier for Tess to connect to Kyle. At first I thought Kyle was doing a mind warp, until he saw Tess. I think Kyle was wondering about it too.

Hi Mimi!

You said this...
Please unconfuse me.

This thread promises only more questions than answers. I think Laurie was freaked out because she thought Michael was her grandfather. And her grandfather is suppose to be dead.

Funny thing is, when I saw the picture of "Grandpa", it reminded me of Topolsky in Missing stating Liz's Journal wasn't from a "crack pot-farmer." I wonder if Laurie's grandfather was that crackpot farmer. All that picture needed was a prim ole lady and a pitchfork and it would have been "American Gothic."

I too was confused over how Tess new what excuse Kyle was going to use. But then I think that maybe part of her powers allow her to see things like that. If she had to be in the room to know what was going on, I don't think she would be very effective. How would she know how long to hold onto the Mind Warp, or whether her Mind Warp was even working? Maybe her Mind Warp is sort of like Isabel's Dream Walking, except that she can do it while everyone is awake. Maybe Tess' Mind Warp is just forced 'Day' Dream Walking.

BT quote:Originally posted by plumeria:
What I don't understand is why Isabel and Michael's DNA would come from the SAME family? I mean, if they're truly destined to be together, wouldn't their "engineers" have chosen different human DNA for each of them?

You know, the "destiny" line for the M/I coupling has really fallen by the wayside in Season 2. But yeah--you'd think if they were "destined" they'd come from two different DNA sources.

quote:People are repulsed by the Outsider 'ship, but if this is to be believed, it's Michael/Isabel who are the genetic "siblings", and Max and Isabel have no genetic relation to each other at all.

Maybe--we still don't know about M and T's genetic origins. And we are only guessing about the cellular link between I and L. But I think the link between Mi/grandpa is pretty firm at this point.

quote:
I am also confused by Laurie's behavior -- that she would associate a duplicate of her grandfather with aliens. Makes me wonder if someone has shapeshifted to Michael before to do whatever tortures Laurie has already experienced. (What was that with the needles and injected material she was talking about? -- the blue stuff?)

Remember that L has been institutionalized. I bet that when we find out what that is all about we will understand why she is so quick to shout "alien." Is it because no one believes some experience she's had?

Shades of abduction and operating tables!!!

quote:[b]LSS, I don't remember what yellow "healing crystals" you are referring to.[/B]

Sure you do. Remember when Michael was sick? Remember when they brought Nesedeo/Harding back to life? The stones are dull unless activated and then they glow a ytellow/gold. They are not crystalline with sharp facets (like the blue) but they are rystals.

LSS

LSS... about Michael looking like his donor and Isabel not looking like Laurie -- would this mean that the human DNA donors would have to look exactly like our pod squad (like Grandpa)? Because in human terms, no child looks exactly like the parent.

Qfanny, you're right about raising more questions than answers. And that makes this show even more addicitve! I might agree with you about why Laurie freaked out, but that doesn't explain why she would stop trusting the sheriff at that moment.

Oh, I just saw Stargaze's post. "I also think that she might have assumed that they were all aliens because how else could her dead grandpa be running around chasing her down the street?" Okay. Which brings me to something Plumeria has mentioned... that perhaps she's encountered a shapeshifter before.

Here's another question... when Laurie was referring to the needles stuck on her arm , why couldn't Isabel see them? This made me think that perhaps Laurie truly is a little mentally unstable (but then again, so would I after going through the trauma she's just been in). But perhaps the needles are buried too deep under the skin.

quote:Originally posted by Mimi:
[b]LSS... about Michael looking like his donor and Isabel not looking like Laurie -- would this mean that the human DNA donors would have to look exactly like our pod squad (like Grandpa)? Because in human terms, no child looks exactly like the parent.
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You are absolutely right about parents/offspring. But the fact of the matter is that Granpa (1935) looks like a replica of Michael. Perhaps rather than thinking of parent/child we ought to think of clone? But if clone then why isn't Izzy a replica of Laurie?

LSS

Anyway, maybe those "cells" are slightly out of phase. Or pulse in and out of phase. Or are mulidimensional. If that makes any sense.

Sort of like how they explained why the aliens didn't disappear in Wipeout.

I just got done watching it again, and I am surprised Max would jump to the conclusion that if the cells of the matter looked like his cells, then it was from his world. I am from Earth (aren't we all) and I know that my cells would not look like a plant cell or a crystal. I am sure there are things from Twilo that do not look like Max on a cellular level.

anyone care to pm me...

btw: loving the hybrid chronicles. love to see what the human donors were like (if they show that)

Yes! Stargazer, that makes perfect sense to me. If Laurie's grandma looked just like Isabel, then that resolves the "are Isabel and Michael biologically related" issue. And it makes sense that the aliens would use the human DNA of two people already in love just to reinforce the destiny.

And why are we calling them donors? Did they sign a card and attach it to their driver's license saying, "in case of emergency, I give myself over to aliens for experimentation and cloning?" Personally, I still hope that they just copied Laurie's grandpa's genes & didn't hurt him. I keep coming back to last weeks words spoken by Is & Laurie: "NO! You don't have to do this!" And who would be doing it at this late date? Nicholas?

Were these random samples that Mom snatched to whip out the clones? Or purpose collected? The former makes more sense. Because, if it was the later, the aliens have;

1) Very very long lifespans.

2) Move slowly and cautiously by nature.

Because resurrecting your kids has to be done PDQ. Mom couldn't afford a long wait time. The war was over. The coup accomplished. The Royal Four were dead. Whatever mom did, she had to do fast. While I can't guess about the technology, it doesn't seem that blending that DNA, getting a viable result, and incubating it to the point where they were moved to Earth, is something you do on the run from the likes of K'var.

I got the feeling that this green goo is really another alien lifeform. That for some reason Lauries family DNA has something that the aliens are looking for or need. I think in the mental institution that these aliens were injecting Laurie with their essence, slowly taking over her body. She escaped but they weren't done with her treatment. I think the nurse in the hospital at the beginning of this episode injected her again with this substance. If you noticed she put the needle in her pocket.

Now to get why Laurie was buried. Maybe this completes the process of making her alien. Something in the earth completes the transformation.

I don't think that Mom & Co. killed Laurie's grandpa, I think that they just removed some DNA. I think we are looking at 2 different races trying to help their kind survive on earth.

Now to get why Laurie was buried. Maybe this completes the process of making her alien. Something in the earth completes the transformation.

I don't know about that nurse, but I agree with the rest of what you've said about Laurie's injections. As for her being buried... well, Laurie has amply demonstrated that she's able to give captors the slip and run away... so maybe they buried her so she couldn't run away?

I've been thinking, too, about the DNA basis for Izzy and Michael. From "Grandpa's" picture, it seems that the podsquad were cloned. If this is the case, then Laurie should have recognized Isabel as being a (presumably) dead family member as well -- but she didn't. Very perplexing.

Another reason Laurie might associate Michael with aliens... what if another family member witnessed aliens come and "harvest" (for lack of a better word) Grandpa's DNA -- killing him or absorbing his shape or something. That story would have been passed down to Laurie.

Qfanny, that Destiny book showed a pregnant Tess and Isabel, so I think it's implied that the "destined" matings (whatever they are) would produce offspring.

LSS, duh -- THOSE crystals. Sorry -- I was thinking so much on the molecular level last night that I forgot about the large crystals they used to revive Michael and Nacedo. Thanks for the reminder.

Tess and Kyle - Clearly they have an emotional connection now, as friends, romantic partners, something. Perhaps Tess just had "a feeling" that Kyle was going to get himself in trouble so she followed him? If she was standing outside the office, it wouldn't have been hard to eavesdrop.

I would have loved it, though, if Kyle had managed to make that change to the paper on his own, with his new abilities, whatever they are. Ah well.

stargaze, that's exactly what I was thinking. It would definitely make more sense than Laurie being the donor. But if Michael's resemblance to her Grandpa triggers such a reaction, then why does she have no reaction to Isabel? Maybe she doesn't have a picture of her grandma circa 1935. I know I have no clue as to what my grandma looked like when she was very young.

Perhaps the skins have been experimenting with the descendants of the original donors to try to find vulnerabilities. Or perhaps to try to apply the technology to solving their problems with their expiring husks. If Laurie had been the subject of such experiments, that might explain her knowledge and fear of aliens. Maybe she doesn't know that there are other kinds of aliens.

If she has seen other aliens in the bodies or skins of humans, perhaps seeing a person looking exactly like her Grandfather is what convinced her that Michael is a bad guy. Also, she hasn't seen Tess yet. Maybe the genetic material was mixed up and they used Laurie's grandmother's DNA to make Tess.

Just a few thoughts.

It may not have been that just any ol' human would do; somebody has already suggested that Laurie's family is special in some way. A certain genetic something is present in the donors. It could mean that all our Podsters got their DNA from different people/family lines, and thus it would explain away Tess's physical differences, when the other three do look somewhat similar.

By the way, the Tess/Kyle relationship is my favorite thing right now. Every time they share the screen, I know I'm going to be entertained...

tanchel

3. MIND WARPS. How did Tess know what was coming down in a room to which she had no access? Did she day walk into Kyle's psyche? I must say, I like the T/K pairing...it is sweet and promises to aid in the development of both characters.

the best part of the episode!

I noticed the nurse and the green goo too but I thought she was taking a blood sample at first until Tess said that the bloodwork came back normal.
Did anyone else think Laurie could somehow "See" Michael and Tess in the hospital? The way they filmed the scene and the way the two scenes spliced together at first I thought Laurie was having a vision or a flashback.
My head is spinning after this ep!

You mean that an alien is "possessing" him, like in MITC? An interesting idea.

Of course this is not the first time we've seen crystals. Remember the healing ones that glowed a warm yellow/gold? Are these different from the glowing blue ones we now see? And are the glowing blue crystals of season 2 "alive"? And are they sentient? And what in the world do they "do"? Are they alien friendly but human hostile?

I haven't yet finished reading the thread, so my apologies if this is a repeat. I'm beginning to wonder if we don't need to return to the energy alien idea. (LSS, I remember you bringing it up again after Summer of '47). There's a definite relationship between the crystals and energy. What if the original aliens are less than ulitmate energy aliens? By that I mean that they can't move across space and time instantaneously, that they're not immortal, nor can they retain their consciousness in pure energy, they have to store their consciousness in an energy storage device. In normal conditions this is some biological membrane?? or structure [I'm thinking of the glowing aliens] or if that containment structure dies their consciousness/personality can be stored in some crystalline structure, i.e. the blue liduid-crystal.

Lets not forget the crystal in TEOW that IMHO encoded the time co-ordinates for the granolith. Maybe the crystal structures innate resonance frequency dictates the type of energy information it can store and it's ultimate function. Yellow crystals are actually energy conduits, red crystals are for data storage or program execution, and blue crystals can hold "essence." That doesn't mean that all blue crystal/liquid parasites are sentient (contain "essence"), but those ones that do would be sentient.

Max really threw me for a loop at the start of this season when he spoke about human and alien DNA. I liked the flexibility of "essence" from the Mommogram, it means we don't have to be tied to current genetic theory or technology. The Mommogram said "You perished in the conflict that enslaves our planet but your essence was duplicated, cloned, and mixed with human genetic materials so that you might be recreated into human beings." (Qfanny will remember our discussion). Duplicating and cloning are a tautology. Duplicating just means a generic copy, and cloning is a biological copy. Applying both words to the "essence" creates some difficulties, even though in the context of the sentence, they do both apply. My interpretation of what we've seen so far is that their human component was cloned. Michael is the genetic clone of Laurie's grandpa. Their original selves did die, but their "essence," their unique energy that stored their personality and consciousness, was stored in an "essence" storage device [blue liquid-crystal parasite??]. The storage device was duplicated, providing the two essences for the NM4 and the NY4.

This is the second time this season we've been introduced to the idea of parasites. The "skins" parasitized their husks. IMHO the small size of the husk entry point did indicate a liquid parasite. Soemthing like a blue crystal-liquid parasite could flow through that small hole. ST-DS9 (Moore would be familiar with this) had both symbiont aliens (Dax) and liquid aliens (Odo). If skins, shapeshifters and the hybrids are actually all the same type of less than great energy aliens [they all appear to be from Twilo], then we might have three different methods to cope with Earth's corrosive atmosphere. Reading between the lines, it has to be corrosive to their normal outer layer/membrane.

Making a hybrid may require some extra special process, and so was used exclusively on the royal fours, there also might be some reproductive component here. Their alien energy/essence is resident in all of their cloned human cells/or just the plasma, but it is throughout them. I've always felt that Max's healing imprint was absorbed by the people he healed, and spread throughout their bodies, initiating changes.

The skins created an external barrier that they parasitized using some kind of liquid "essence containing" parasites (identical to blue liquid-crystal parasite???).

My guess for the shapeshifters is that they created a new membrane or skin for themselves out of some kind of liquid crystal, maybe with energy from the granolith, and the liquidity of their external covering allowed them to change their external appearance at will, aided by their internal energy -- that's why we saw bright light when they changed, the inner energy alien visible through the changing external structure.

Are they alien friendly and human hostile?? If the blue liquid-crystal parasite can be absorbed into a human being creating a hybrid, with or without an alien personality, maybe they actually spell the end of the human species. Human parasitized by the alien blue liquid-crystal may in the long run outcompete pure humans. So the parasite is not innately hostile, but the powers it brings it's host may cause the demise of the human species?? Generally speaking, parasites are bad. All parasites are ulitmately detrimental to their hosts. The host-"parasite" relationship of commensals are neutral and of symbionts are positive. The fact that they call it a parasite is not a good sign.

quote:Originally posted by LSS:

2. LAURIE AND THE ALIEN CONNECTION. Laurie knows about aliens. And recognizes the visage of her grandfather as a boy in Michael's face (circa 1935). If, as some folk suggested last week, we are looking at the DNA donors for Michael and Izzy in Lauria's family, then where are the donors for Max and Tess? And does that mean that Michael and Izzy are "related" on their human side? Kind of blows away the genetic foundation on the human side for a M/I pairing doesn't it?

We know Laurie's "Michael" grandfather is dead, but he was alive in 1935. The (royal 4) x 2 looked like third trimester human foeti in 1947. If Michael's human component is a clone of the grandpa, then the cloning material was harvested prior to 1947.

I do not think Isabel recognizes parental source material in Laurie, she's recognizing descendant material. If the dead "Michael" grandpa was paternal, then Isabel's source material could come from Laurie's maternal
grandmother (or vice versa), and then there's no genetic problem with M and I pairing up. It wouldn't be that bizarre for both her maternal and paternal grandparents to be from Roswell.

At the end of TSAP Laurie says she came to Roswell to see her grandparents. Given that in WAF she's showing paranoid delusional behaviour, I don't know if we can take that at face value, but it does seem to indicate that there are a grandmother and grandfather alive in Roswell. So potentially Isabel could actually meet up with her human DNA donor, or the person she's cloned from.

Since all roads lead to Roswell, the human DNA donors for Max and Tess, dead or alive, were in Roswell before 1947.

Sorry this is so long. I look forward to anyone's comments.

SF

Stargazer and Mimi, excellent points. Much more elegant than paternal and maternal grandparents, and I really like the idea of reinforcing the hybrid couples by harvesting dna from couples that are in love!

SF

Kudos to all of you who discussed the idea of Izzy's DNA coming from Laurie's ancestor. That makes sense to me. It would mean that the cellular material that Izzy resonates with is simply inherited. We'll have to wait and see if we're correct--but we shouldn't have to wait too long.

LSS

Since the preview for next week mentioned an alien parasite harmful to humans, I was wondering if maybe Laurie was buried in an attempt to cure her? Perhaps she inherited parasite/virus (?) because her ancestors were the donors, and so the aliens have been trying to cure her throughout her lifetime via injections, etc. without success. Soil is one of the most cleansing substances on this planet (we humans use it to decompose nearly all of the toxic substances we produce). Hence, maybe she was buried and supplied with O2 so that her skin would expel the dangerous parasite/virus. Perhaps the glowing goo formed because Laurie was removed before the transfer was complete? I guess I prefer to think this way because we have already learned that the aliens who abducted Brody chose to cure him of cancer.

wasn't she just eavesdropping?

I don't think that Tess was eavesdropping because she seemed too far away. She was not in the next room, she was in the corridor outside the next room. But maybe we are just supposed to assume that she overheard and then stepped outside into the corridor before beginning her mind warp?

I am editing this message because I had a question, which may be totally off track, but does anyone think that Max's statement to Liz that she needs (or should be allowed?) to grow was a reference to her new found powers? Just as maybe Future Max's statement about her not allowing herself to change maybe was?

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the soil and transformation theory makes sense, whoever buried her must have wanted her to be close to her grandparents (she might be lying though, because how come her grandparents haven't been contacted or her real parents either) or the 4

Yes, SF. I remember our conversation. You have such a wonderful way of making this seem more complex than my original idea. Great thoughts overall, but I'm going to have to reread your post. I glossed through making sure no one has posted this thought below.

Qfanny's rationale
Ok guys. Driving home on I-80 I was thinking about Laurie, Isabel and Michael and the idea LSS asked about whether or not Isabel and Michael are brother and sister. As you know, I approach things backwards, a la FANNY.

To maintain bloodlines, Egyptian royalty used to take brothers and sisters and pair them together to be mates. (Gross, I know.) Now switch your paradigm. Aside from this being gross, why would incestual relationships be discouraged? The answer is in recessive genes. I have blue eyes because my parents (brown eyes) had the recessive blue eye genes. I got only the two blue eye genes from my parents. Thus I have blue eyes. The brown eye gene is dominant over the blue eye gene. Had I gotten one of the brown eye genes, I would have brown eyes. Brown is dominant over blue. Blue comes through if both genes are present.

**WARNING---THE BELOW DOES NOT SAY MUCH FOR ALIEN ETHICS**

What if Michael and Isabel are humanly brother and sister!!!! Their human DNA donor has one or more recessive genes that Destiny designers want to come out in their offspring. Offspring from incestual relationships is a sure fire way to cause recessive genes to become dominant. Yes, Michael and Isabel were engineered, from the same donor (sperm X&Y). But their engineering was only the first step for the Destiny planners. Their offspring was specifically designed too. (Now that's foresight for you.) Assuming "Grandpa" donated the X & Y (Mi/I) chromosones, this explains why Isabel recognized Laurie (cellularly) and why Michael looks exactly like "grandpa". It explains why Laurei, Michael and Isabel look so similiar to each other. Not to mention all the little things that indicate a sibling relationship between Mi & I. It was Isabel that cried every night for three years when Michael was gone. And scarier yet, both of them had exactly the same dream at exactly the same time. That's the sort of thing that happens with siblings and close relatives.

Now, if it is true that Michael and Isabel are humanly brother and sister, then here's all the other stuff it implies.

Destiny planners not only engineered the podsters, they also engineered their offspring. I wouldn't be surprised if Tess pulled another book out of the human sexuality section of the library and it had pictures of their kids.

Humanity has a very important role in the events of Twilo/Antar. We have desirable DNA.

Max and Tess are not likely to be from the same donor. They look nothing alike, unlike Michael and Isabel. This suggests carriers of this recessive gene(s) occur naturally in the human race, but are still quite rare. Thus the most important podsters, King and Queen got their own donors. But Vilondra and 2nd in Command had to share.

It's possible that the gene was a forced mutation from alien experimentation that got carried down from generation to generation. (Anyone want to speculate aliens had been among us for a long time - eons?)

Normal humans that have this mutated gene that is not recessive (blue eyes) could possibly have "powers" because "powers" are suppose to be human.

If Isabel can recognize her cellular relatives, perhaps Max recognized Liz the same way. What if Max and Liz were related? They sort of look a little alike. Is that how Max knew to save Liz in pilot? What if Max recognized Liz to be a decendant?

Now, if you understand what I'm saying, you should be heading for the alka-seltzer. I hope that I am wrong, but this logic agrees with me too much, and now I'm nausated.

Now, the goo is planted on them. It's a parasite, we are told, and dangerous. It's biological warfare against the podsters! One question: are the state police / FBI agent(s) in with the bad aliens, or are they human anti-aliens (like the FBI Special Unit)?

What if Michael and Isabel are humanly brother and sister!!!! Their human DNA donor has one or more recessive genes that Destiny designers want to come out in their offspring. Offspring from incestual relationships is a sure fire way to cause recessive genes to become dominant.

Destiny planners not only engineered the podsters, they also engineered their offspring. I wouldn't be surprised if Tess pulled another book out of the human sexuality section of the library and it had pictures of their kids.

Now, if you understand what I'm saying, you should be heading for the alka-seltzer. I hope that I am wrong, but this logic agrees with me too much, and now I'm nausated.

Qfanny, you have such a wonderful imagination... and sense of humor!

But put away the alka-seltzer. Recessive genes are harder than that to display. Suppose you have two parents, whose genes are AB and ab. There are four possible genotypes for the offspring: Aa, Ab, Ba, and Bb. You are looking for a Bb offspring. There is only one of those, in the four possibilities; thus, the odds of any single decendant having the desired genes is one in four.

There is no way to "force" the genetic outcome of any particular breeding, unless both parents carried double copies of the desired genes, thus: AA and BB. Then, the only choice is AB. But this would not show a recessive gene, since the other one would dominate it. You'd have to have both parents carrying two copies of the same gene: AA and AA. The only possibility is AA, just like the parents. If you are after a particular recessive gene, though: both parents are already showing it! No need for breeding it.

Feeling better?

Could brystal somehow be related to Nacedo’s shapechanging abilities? When he died Max said that whatever the Skins did to him was something they couldn’t reverse. What if they somehow extracted this substance from Nacedo, and since it was an essential part of his physiology he couldn’t survive without it. Then the Skins modify it to use as a biological weapon: an infectious agent (like a bacteria) that has shapeshifting abilities at the macromolecular level. As soon as your body developed an antibody for it, the pathogen could just shift, rearrange it’s surface proteins so your body couldn’t recognize it. There’d be no stopping it. As I’m typing this I realize it’s a stretch, but . . .

quote:I just got done watching it again, and I am surprised Max would jump to the conclusion that if the cells of the matter looked like his cells, then it was from his world. I am from Earth (aren't we all) and I know that my cells would not look like a plant cell or a crystal. I am sure there are things from Twilo that do not look like Max on a cellular level.
Qfanny
True, but if anything from Twilo is here then you can bet that it’s probably related in some way to Max and the other Podsters. It would be natural to assume that whatever it is could be like him (or modified to be like him) since it seems that the aliens can’t exist here without some kind of protection (skins) or genetic manipulation. Of course, you wouldn’t think that would matter (no pun intended) if that thing is a crystal, or a rock, but it looks like it’s alive.

quote:Now, if you understand what I'm saying, you should be heading for the alka-seltzer. I hope that I am wrong, but this logic agrees with me too much, and now I'm nauseated.
Qfanny
I believe that Isabel "recognized" Laurie because she was able to sense her relation to Michael, not because she’s directly related to Laurie herself. I believe this because any other explanation turns my stomach. That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it no matter what the writers say.

quote: Personally, I like the fact that a dark haired, dark eyes, even somewhat dark skinned female is the heroine and love interest, it flies against all convention . . .
Iagz
I agree. Nothing against blondes, but I’m sick of seeing them parade their peroxide-enhanced way across my screen. But, uh, Liz is as pale as milk pudding. Speaking of Liz, wasn’t Shiri looking incredibly beautiful in this episode?

"Blond everywhere: I surrender myself to this pitch pine of senses, to this concept of a blondness which is not so much a colour as a sort of spirit of colour blended with the accents fo love...Blond resembles the stammerings of ecstacy, the piracies of lips, the tremors of limpid waters. Blond takes flight from definitions sown a wayward path where flowers and seashells greet my eyes. It is woman glinting upon stones, a paradoxial shadow of caresses in space, a breath of dishevelment of reason."

L. Aragon

What does that mean? I don't know, it's just something from a book

but I think all the blondness deals with their race one their home planet, maybe laurie's blond cause she's related to one of the aliens or maybe it's because Brendan, Katie, Majandra and Emilie (and all the guest stars (4 blonds i think)) did the best job trying for the part

It's possible that the kidnapper(s) knew Laurie had what it takes to play host to the crystal virus. Why else would you keep her so she would stay alive? The kidnappers want to introduce the crystal into Laurie's system.

It could also be that whoever does the experiments on Laurie know about this special quality. I would think they want to stop Laurie's contamination. What if the people who institutionalized Laurie where keeping her "safe" but doing tests to develope an antidote.

The nurse could have injected this antidote into Laurie or something else to see if she had been infected.

A side note - I thought right after the nurse closed the curtain to leave the camera quickly showed a figure hiding. I wasn't surprised to find her missing in the next scene. I was surprised to find her at Valenti's. How did she know where he lived if someone didn't take her.

On genetics. I don't think Michael and Isabelle could be considered siblings even if it turns out they have a common human ancestor. Laurie's grandfather is a combination of his father and mother's genetic material or XY. I think the aliens could have taken one half of his gentic make-up for each. Also, each has their alien genes which I think it's safe to assume is not from the same donor.

It's possible that the kidnapper(s) knew Laurie had what it takes to play host to the crystal virus. Why else would you keep her so she would stay alive? The kidnappers want to introduce the crystal into Laurie's system.

It could also be that whoever does the experiments on Laurie know about this special quality. I would think they want to stop Laurie's contamination. What if the people who institutionalized Laurie where keeping her "safe" but doing tests to develope an antidote.

The nurse could have injected this antidote into Laurie or something else to see if she had been infected.

A side note - I thought right after the nurse closed the curtain to leave the camera quickly showed a figure hiding. I wasn't surprised to find her missing in the next scene. I was surprised to find her at Valenti's. How did she know where he lived if someone didn't take her.

On genetics. I don't think Michael and Isabelle could be considered siblings even if it turns out they have a common human ancestor. Laurie's grandfather is a combination of his father and mother's genetic material or XY. I think the aliens could have taken one half of his gentic make-up for each. Also, each has their alien genes which I think it's safe to assume is not from the same donor.

It's possible that the kidnapper(s) knew Laurie had what it takes to play host to the crystal virus. Why else would you keep her so she would stay alive? The kidnappers want to introduce the crystal into Laurie's system.

It could also be that whoever does the experiments on Laurie know about this special quality. I would think they want to stop Laurie's contamination. What if the people who institutionalized Laurie where keeping her "safe" but doing tests to develope an antidote.

The nurse could have injected this antidote into Laurie or something else to see if she had been infected.

A side note - I thought right after the nurse closed the curtain to leave the camera quickly showed a figure hiding. I wasn't surprised to find her missing in the next scene. I was surprised to find her at Valenti's. How did she know where he lived if someone didn't take her.

On genetics. I don't think Michael and Isabelle could be considered siblings even if it turns out they have a common human ancestor. Laurie's grandfather is a combination of his father and mother's genetic material or XY. I think the aliens could have taken one half of his gentic make-up for each. Also, each has their alien genes which I think it's safe to assume is not from the same donor.

Well, that's the way it's supposed to work.
I didn't address dominant or recessive genes. I'm just saying that you can't predict the genotype of a particular offspring, even given the complete genotype of the parents.
Thus, Qfanny can relax. Hey if the idea agreed with her, why'd she need the Alka-Seltzer? I could understand, if it disagreed with her...

Is Liz getting so distracted that she's letting her normal grooming go? These things are usually taken care of on the set by hairdressers, so if the hair is different, it's on purpose!

Reggie, I think that the style is called "crimping." It's the same look that she had during "Heat Wave," and I think that Liz is really cute that way. Overall, I think that she's looking cuter & younger again (vs. the sophisticated look at the beginning of the season).

I like your idea that the Brystal (kudos to the poster that termed it) is a vessel to hold conscienceness. Even if the function of Brystal is something different, I bet there is something that can hold this type of data.

Brystal is like a beaker glass.

Reggie: The nausea still looms in my belly, but I didn't need the alka-selter after all. Even thought the "science" of my post does not make sense, that has not stopped the creative Hollywood writer from making it true in the past.

Like an ORB????!