Fanforum - How closely were you paying attention? plumeria Level2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 93
05-22-2000 05:34 AM
I was rewatching the pilot the other day, and I noticed that when the first scene opens looking at the night sky, if you look reeeealllly closely, you can see that V star formation.
So that got me thinking -- what other little tiny details were put in the show here and there, things that only a few people would notice? I know you all are huge fans, watching and rewatching the eps, so you must have noticed other little things like that. What did you see?
plumeria Level2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 93
05-23-2000 12:36 AM
OK, this isn't as tiny a detail, but I noticed (and liked) the fact that for every scene shot in the science classroom, the teacher is talking about something that can be applied to what's going on with the characters. Adds a subtle dimension to the scene, I think.
plumeria Level2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 93
05-25-2000 09:34 AM
We seem to have lost a couple of days' worth of postings, so I'm bumping this up in hopes that you who posted those lost replies will post again.
Thanks!
StephStephSteph Level4 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 707
05-25-2000 09:37 AM
I just thought I'd tell you how interesting that is! Now, I have to go back and rewatch these eps and notice these things. I must be REALLY unobservant because I rarely see anything that everyone else didn't see
guerinschick Level3 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 173
05-25-2000 10:10AM
I was watching the pilot myself the other night. Has anyone notice in the very first scene in the Crashdown before liz is shot how small the Crashdown seems compared to what it looks like now. It just seemed long in that first scene now its expanded to be wide. Anyone notice or am I just nuts!!
GraceKel Level4 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 603
05-25-2000 10:19AM
Plumeria yes I have noticed so much more. B4 when I watched the eps I couldn't take my eyes off Max and Liz love story. But lately I have been watching the eps from a purely SCI FI angle and have noticed quite a few things. My daughter picked up Liz saying to Larry and Jen "well I guess it would be alright to show you guys this!" and right after that in the background SOMEONE says "okay we've gotta get rid of her!" Well I think this means that Liz getting shot was NO ACCIDENT! Like I originally thought!
I think the people who work at the CRASHDOWN who melt into the background all the time but they are still there are protectors of some kind. I think the Exit signs cue a presence just not sure who's presence it is yet but they are in every episode!
I have found many things but posted already on various SCI FI of EP threads so....
And yes they did redo the CRASHDOWN from the PILOT up to now-it does seem wider.
plumeria Level2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 93
05-25-2000 06:48 PM
Glad to see I'm not the only one who wondered about the size of the Crashdown. I thought maybe it was just the angle they were filming at...
In one of the "lost" postings, someone noted that (if I'm remembering it correctly) that in the Pilot, when Valenti is trying to arrest Max, there's a sign in the background that said "Alien Zone". Wow, it's amazing what the creators snuck in...
taovande Level4 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 825
05-25-2000 06:57PM
the crashdown has completely changed since the pilot---the door is now wood instead of metal, the cash register isn't at the front in the pilot
shapeshifter Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 157
05-25-2000 10:11PM
I still don't have taping capabilities (hope to before Monday), but on page 5 of The Sci-Fi of Destiny Thread, GraceKel shared:
In watching eps for the millionth time I noticed "CAUTION HAZARDOUS WASTE" on Nasedo's supposed dead body-I don't think this was an accident----also noticed that when TESS says "the four of us should go back to the pod chamber and Nasedo will protect us, they don't want the humans(not exact quote) the sign "DANGER" shows right behind her! They use these signs quite a bit more than I had ever noticed.[Edited by shapeshifter on 05-29-2000 at 03:03 PM]
Lending creedence to the idea that TESS is the substitute for Liz and not the other way around in "MAX TO THE MAX" when Max says to Tess "I have a lot to think about" and she says "I'll be here for you!" she gets out of jeep and in background the sign says "NO SUB" Could this mean -no shes a sub?
BYtheSEA Level3 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 432
05-26-2000 12:02AM
I THINK, in another thread that mentioned the Exit/Danger signs, someone pointed out in Michael's apartment (or was it somewhere he and Maria were making out, possibly both) a sign that read "High Voltage". Hmmm ... interesting, considering his new power and what he did to Pierce.
Or maybe I'm not remembering this correctly, it's late and I should probably go to bed.
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Dagaz Level4 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 555
05-26-2000 12:33AM
This is another reason why I love this show so much: just about everything in it serves as a foreshadowing device or is somehow relevant to the current storyline. I really like the attention to detail that is paid to the sets, etc.
I never noticed some of the things you guys have mentioned. Very observant! Just gives me yet another good reason to sit down and have another Roswell marathon.
Chas_00 Level3 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 265
05-26-2000 01:06AM
the doors changed and then all of the sudden and of course the exit signs Chas
Dark Ilk Level2 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 71
05-26-2000 03:24 AM
Is it just me or what?
When I was watching the SH epi, I noted that when the camera was panning the locker room (during Liz's fantasy), the handles to the lockers or (whatever they were) looked like alien heads.... you know, the type with round round and black eyes...
She was saying how she was changing, before Max showed up in her fantasy....
really... I'm not kidding!!
Spacker Boy Level3 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 105
05-26-2000 04:53AM
Thats so cool....i wish i had the episodes on tape so i could watch them again.....
plumeria Level2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 93
05-26-2000 05:04 AM
This has been bugging me for some time -- it's both a small detail and a blooper, as far as I'm concerned...
When Max heals Liz, note where the bullet hole is and which hand Max uses to heal her. Then look at the subsequent handprint -- it's not on the same spot, and it's not the same hand! Did anyone else catch that?
ILoveRoswell Level3 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 203
05-26-2000 08:13AM
I noticed something totally sick. In White Room, when Michael was trying to change his fingerprint, Nasedo puts his watch on the dead guy's face! I was screaming when I saw that! We should keep this thread going! The more posts, the more people will look, and we'll get so many more things that we missed! I have to watch all the eps and I'll get back to you about more things. I think these things just show us how much care and consideration are put into this show. Well, I'll have to get back to you on that.
~Donna
elena28 Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 6
05-26-2000 08:34AM
Anyone notice in the episode "Independence Day", when Michael is having the confronta- tion with his father after offering Isabel a drink and she throws it back in his face and Michael starts throwing things around with his powers -- when his dad raises the rifle and it goes, off, there is someone standing behind him who kinds of jerks at the noise--looks like Max but I don't think it is. Anyone else see that?
Love the show!
Cassandra Level3 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 282
05-26-2000 04:40PM
Well, I posted on this thread a few days ago, but I just it got sucked into the abyss that was the crashdown this week. Oh well!
In Riverdog during the scene where Michael and Isabel divert Topolsky so Max and Liz can go to the reservation we see the theatre markee. The films that listed were "The Secret Agent" and "The Lady Vanishes" I thought that was a cute bit of symbolism.
Oh, and I did notice the locker room alien face things in Sexual Healing. I don't think they were the locker handles, but I know what you're talking about Dark Ilk. You're not crazy.
ILVtheFAB4 Level3 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 247
05-26-2000 04:54PM
I wrote this on the 'experimental board' that is gone, so I'll post them again.
Someone else mentioned that in Crazy, when the anchorwoman on tv is talking about the fire that Topolsky supposedly died in, she says, "This is Thania St. John, reporting live." Thania St. John is a co-executive producer on the show.
Then, in The White Room, I noticed Pierce mentioned an Agent Del Bianco. There is a lady that works in the production office who's last name is Del Bianco.
I love all the little stuff they throw in!
hookt Level5 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 1469
05-26-2000 05:20PM
This is pretty interesting-- In Blood Brothers after Alex leaves the bathroom after fixing his bloody nose, you see a poster on the bathroom door with a picture of a guy on it. He's wearing a long shirt and a brown and tan vest. That's the same outfit Eddie wears! :p
karem Level3 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 111
05-26-2000 05:31 PM
Wow you guys I'm gonna have to have a Roswell marathon tonight so I can point something out and now I'm gonna have to go look for all this stuff.
GraceKel Level4 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 603
05-26-2000 05:54PM
Okay guys here are a few more. In 285s when Valenti is talking to Kyle in his room about lying to their parents, something weird is going on---in the background camera pans to WARNING and a second later it pans DON'T MISS THIS----the only thing is I can't figure out what they wanted us to see yet--maybe someone else can review and figure it out.
Also in TLV when Max is telling Tess you are doing something to me blah blah behind them are the words shoe service but it is partially blocked out only to show us the words HOE and VICE-so now what do you think of TESS?
In the WHITE ROOM when Liz says lets go enlist SHERIFf's help and Michael and Tess say no---the word "TRUST" is behind Liz which to me meant that YES they could TRUST the sheriff.
Michelle in Yonkers Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 34
05-26-2000 07:25PM
Really cool about the background words, which I have only occasionally noticed!
Also, I had missed the boom microphone that got into the "They have Max!" scene at the end of M2TM.
From all our comparisons on this and other threads, I've been making *connections* I hadn't seen before. Yesterday I posted on the "Favorite Roswell Moment" thread that Liz & Max have each had a time when connection took place and, unintended, her/his true feelings were revealed to the other. In both cases, it only brought them closer: 1) the "reverse connection" in the pilot ep: Max asks, "Did it work?" and is seemingly unaware of all that has been communicated; Liz has seen that Max has always loved her, the depths of his feelings for her, and her transformation is begun. 2) in the locker room scene, SH ep: Liz asks, "You saw my fantasy?" (unintentional revelation); and Max tells her "I didn't just see what you saw, I felt what you felt when you saw me. . . "
Michelle in Yonkers Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 34
05-26-2000 07:34PM
Oh, I'm sure everyone's been noticing this, but, just as the words in the background seem to mean something, the music they play is *always* significant.
The one that comes to mind at the moment is: As Bad Max leaves the Crashdown, pulling a trusting Liz by the hand, the song in the background throughout the scene goes into its refrain of "Open your eyes, Open your eyes"
There were lots like that in the season, and I've assumed they were product placements for WB recordings, but I've always admired how they work them into the scene so meaningfully.
There's also a song by Jewel that was heard at the end of The Balance, when Max had told Liz he had to "take a step back" - - it seemed appropriate, but I can't think of the words at the moment.
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Momdawg3 Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 47
05-26-2000 07:41PM
Wow, this is all so interesting! I have every episode on tape and have Roswell marathons every once in awhile, too! One of the things I noticed was in Blind Date when Max is kissing Liz and she's seeing those special moments they've shared. Did anyone else notice that right before Max completely breaks off the kiss that Liz is seeing the "v" formation over the rock formation that houses their pod chamber? Is there any special significance to this? I'd like to think that Liz is the only person Max is so able to open his heart and soul to that she can see things that he isn't even aware he knows.
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pieface Level3 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 136
05-26-2000 07:55 PM
Momdawg3- I'm going to definitely check that out tonight. Great thread-great stuff. I have noticed a lot of these little things, but not all and now that we have seen Destiny, a lot more is going to fall into place-it is never too soon to have another Roswell marathon. Thanks. pie
evans Registered: May 2000 Posts: 5
05-26-2000 08:10PM
from Destiny:
When Max saves Kyle, there is no more blood on his shirt, just the hole. If he would have done that with Liz, he wouldn't of ever had all this trouble to start with. It was Valenti's suspicion that got him in trouble with the sheriff and the FBI when he found the dress. If Valenti had seen the hole, it could've just been a torn in the dress. Of course, there would have been no story!
And when Isabel says "she is so beautiful" referring to their mother, this isn't her real form. She only assumes that form not to shock them! So her being beautiful is irrelevant.
evans
Nemo Level3 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 311
05-26-2000 08:35 PM
Was ever a show scrutinized so minutely as this one? Visions that occupy only one video frame, or sounds barely audible with headphones, get discussed on the Science Fiction threads. I hope the show's creators are having fun finding out how subtly they can hide something and still have someone here post about it within 72 hours. (Do they get extra points if it takes us a whole week?)
I like this game of finding connections. It takes the same concentration as finding bloopers (disconnections), but it's even better fun because both sides win. We know the writers see some of our posts; I wonder how often they think "Yes, the viewers got that one," or "No, they still haven't noticed," or "Wow, their take is more interesting than what we had in mind."
Many of the contributions on this thread are new to me, like the signs about Alien Zone or NO SUB or TRUST. The HIGH VOLTAGE sign I thought was a reference to the Michael/Maria sexual tension at the time, but now I see it was also foreshadowing Michael's recently displayed powers. Thanks for pointing that out, BYtheSEA -- apparently I have some reviewing to do this summer. (Incidentally, I think that handprint on Liz didn't really reverse and migrate, it only seems that way because we see it sometimes directly and sometimes in a mirror.)
The alien-face things on the shower walls I pointed out on the SF thread and got no response. I'm glad others see them the same way. I took that as a hint that more aliens might be living all around, unsuspected. Similarly, there's a scene in TLV (about halfway, just after Max finds the camera in Michael's room) where the lights suspended from the ceiling of the cafe look like a formation of flying saucers (four of them), suggesting that there have been (or may yet be) many alien landings.
I hope someone will publish an "Annotated Roswell" -- a book explaining the symbols and connections. I would buy it. Meanwhile, I hope this thread continues. At least one background item still puzzles me: in Crazy, when Ms. Topolsky leaves the restaurant (after meeting Liz), what's that red thing in view for a moment after T. disappears? Could it be a picture of a chili pepper -- a sly acknowledgment of the Roswell is Hot campaign? (could the timing be right for that?) Or is it something else?
Michelle in Yonkers Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 34
05-26-2000 09:05PM
Yes, Yes to Momdawg(sp?)
About the V formation: It does appear when Max and Liz kiss (the film editors on this show must have a field day, with their almost subliminal images!) which bears out my hypothesis (fingers crossed, I hope I hope I hope):
I think that Liz IS changed by her interaction w. Max, and that there was a crucial time for development of a life-bond (hence the V-formation in the sky); when that time came, Tess was not there, Liz was. Like certain other species, maybe Max and Liz have patterned on each other, and nothing will break them apart.
Reinforcement: In 4S, Max and Liz are looking up the constellation Aries (part of the V) on an astronomy computer pgm. Liz says it doesn't look quite right, and Max says, "Put in today's date," and when she puts in May 27, 2000, the constellation looks familiar.
The screen has large writing on it which Liz reads aloud so we won't miss it: that this pattern has been significant in springtime mating and fertility rituals in many ancient cultures (as in pagan and native American).
As someone above noted, when the writers want you to notice something, they often make sure to point it out - pointedly.
I just hope it means something, but after Destiny, confidence is low.
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shapeshifter Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 157
05-26-2000 10:20PM
I think it would be even more interesting to discover that all of the background words and images and songs were coincidental.
Michelle in Yonkers Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 34
05-26-2000 10:44PM
Sorry to be posting a bit, but I'm leaving work on vacation (I'm actually free now, and still sitting here) and no computer at home, so I'm easing withdrawal...
Here's something else I got from watching Destiny closely (repeat for some): When Valenti goes over to Pierce and says, "He's dead," (thereby assuming the coveted Leonard McCoy role), *Pierce's face is in total darkness*. There's plenty of ambient light in the room; it's not easy to achieve a pool of total darkness in an otherwise clean, well-lighted place.
So we can conclude this means: 1) Pierce is not dead, is either one of the newer, badder aliens, or the missing 4th crash alien, hereinafter called, "Tic-Tac"; (this would also mean that the baddies had already come up with the idea of infiltrating the FBI Special Unit; that sometimes we were seeing "Tic-Tac" when we thought it was Nasedo... the possibilities are endless) 2) Nothing. Another glitch of the now-beseiged creative team, because they're too busy waving the white flag. They forgot to do this shot, Pierce had already left the set, so they had the janitor lie down and take his place and had to hide his face.
Discuss?
plumeria Level2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 93
05-27-2000 04:55 AM
I disagree with the handprint-didn't-move-or-change-hands-it's-just-reflected-in-a-mirror theory. You only see the handprint in a mirror once. After that, Liz clearly shows the handprint to Max, no mirror, and it's still the wrong hand in the wrong place.
Dark Ilk Level2 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 71
05-27-2000 08:27 AM
All the Jason/Max fans ought to love this one. I posted it up before as a new thread, but it was ignored so I'll post it here again anyway.
In Balance, when the gang were at the basketball game and Liz cheers/screams for the other team, Michael wryly remarks about how 'humans love throwing a ball through a hoop', and Max has this little smile on his face.
All Jas fans will know that he's a real basketball nut --> proving his human status!! Therein lies the irony of it all...
hookt Level5 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 1469
05-27-2000 11:01AM
That's right, Dark Ilk! And to add to that, in "The White Room" Isabel used a picture of Max spinning a basketball on his finger to dreamwalk!
suesangel Level2 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 77
05-27-2000 11:06 AM
Okay for all you JB/SA lovers out there.
If you watch Blind Date closely, when Liz is making the phone call for a taxi - she turns away from the camera, looks at Max and rolls her eyes which makes Max/Jason laugh.
Isobel Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 78
05-27-2000 11:51AM
Whoa! I never noticed a lot of the things you guys have posted. I'm gonna have to have a Roswell marathon and see what else I can find.
As for the background music, I love how the song lyrics almost always connect with the scene and situation. In "Into the Woods" the song "Everything You Want" by Vertical Horizon fit perfectly. And Sarah Mclachlan's "Fumbling Toward Ecstacy" at the end of SH was also a great choice. Of course, there are plenty of other examples in every episode...
A little irony- On Roswell, William Sadler plays a sheriff. But before, he played a prison inmate alongside Tim Robins & Morgan Freeman(sp) in "The Shawshank Redemption." (one of my favorite movies) Just thought I'd point that out.
I was gonna point out "The Secret Agent" & "The Lady Vanishes" (isn't that what it was called?) but apparently I'm too late.
Yes, I know this is a *very* obvious one, but I can't help but say it. The songs the Whit's played at the audition for the Blind Date concert was about Alex & Isabel's relationship. "Love Kills." "Wasn't that the first one you played?" "No, that was Hurt By Love."
-Dreamgirl Danni "I said sit down dog boy!"
Oh yeah, Are we ever going to learn the mystery that is Nesado's tic-tacs?
fehr_4ever Level3 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 310
05-27-2000 05:14PM
I can't believe that I've noticed about about half of what everybody said!!! I had no idea how observant i was!!!
just to add to the whole change of crashdown thing, i just want to say that the first thing that made me notice the change was when liz was serving larry and jen in the pilot and then maria offered the trucker guys refills, that there was no bar sorta thing at the side of the restaurant. and everything else just seemed so DIFFERENT, but i just didn't know what it was that made it different until i really thought about it.
Edee Level4 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 733
05-27-2000 07:42PM
The pilot Crashdown was a different place all together... I like the one they have now.
In SH when Max says are you scared? and Liz says I know I should be but I'm just gonna put myself in your hands... I love the way he looks like he's going to bite her nose! lol!!!
GraceKel Level4 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 603
05-29-2000 05:13AM
Shapeshifter I hope you're wrong about these clues being just coincidences because part of the fun of the mystery of a show is trying to fit the pcs to the puzzle together. I hope I am not going to all this trouble searching for clues if they don't mean anything.
IT SEEMS WE LOST SOME OF THIS THREAD--BYTHESEA found something interesting in INTO THE WOODS when Max says "why would the sheriff mark off a 4SQUARE MILE near the Indian reservation? Interesting referring to the words 4Square I think---now I wonder is the P Ranch in that area or not cuz that could be significant.
MichelleInYonkers--I also believe that Max and Liz sharing that vision of the V CONSTELLATION is what set off their biological drives where they could not stay away from each other---it was only delayed because of Michael's problems with Hank but even in the ep--Liz says "I try to stay away but I can't help myself" Max walks in and she says "he obviously feels the same way!" The very next ep was SH. The only difference I believe in our opinions is that I don't believe that Liz is a substitute for Tess-I believe Max's true destiny is to be with Liz(who I still believe is fully human-not an alien)---I do think that Max reversing the connection in the Pilot improved her brain cells (powers we supposedly all have but are not tapped into because we are simply not advanced enough yet). This would explain Liz's new found ability to see not only Max but NASEDO.
Jei Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 335
05-29-2000 07:32AM
Great thread!
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet. I haven't read through everything...
In SH when Max and Liz are out in the desert.There is a shot of them ground to sky shoot of them with the star filled night sky in the background. (and I believe the rock formation) if you look closely there are a few stars that are brighter than the others - in the shape of a V.
shapeshifter Level 3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 157
05-29-2000 07:53AM
quote: Originally posted by GraceKel:
Shapeshifter I hope you're wrong about these clues being just coincidences because part of the fun of the mystery of a show is trying to fit the pcs to the puzzle together. I hope I am not going to all this trouble searching for clues if they don't mean anything.
Whoops! I guess I
was assuming you all could read the rest of my thoughts when I posted:
I think it would be even more interesting to discover that all
of the background words and images and songs were coincidental.
I meant
that it would be even more interesting if the coincidental words and images
were not planned by the writers/camera people, but had a life of their
own--that Katims' and others' creations were manifestations of a real
but normally invisible universe. I have an overactive imagination that
always looks for meta-meanings. For instance, since I posted a comment
similar to this one that got lost in the board upgrade, my thoughts run
to thinking that a Nacedo-type does not think you all are ready to face
this alternate reality.
TeddyBehr_Y2K Registered: May 2000 Posts: 3
05-29-2000 02:09PM
I noticed that there is a repitition of lines in "Max To The Max" and "White Room." In Max to the Max, when the group (minus Liz, of course) goes to look for Liz, they stop to pick up Tess. When Michael leaves the Jeep to get her, he says something about what had happened, she replied "I can't tell you what I don't know." Then, in White Room, when Pierce tells Max to make the orbs work, he at one point replies, "I can't tell you what I don't know." This could have been a forshadowing as to thier destinies. Another thing that's starting to get to me is something in "Destiny." In the scene where Liz and Max are running from the FBI and Michael and Valenti pull up in a Jeep, there is a shot of Max and Liz running and then a shot of Michael putting out his hand to direct an energy burst towards the FBI vehicle. At the tail end of the shot of Max and Liz, one can see a flash of light on the two of them, then the shot changes to Michael putting his hand up. Weird, huh?
Rain Level 2 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 98
05-30-2000 12:33AM
HI ALL!! I just wanted to say that I too noticed the repetition of lines in M2TM and White Room. And I thought I was the only one who noticed the eerie presence of alien heads in the locker room in SH. (yay-I'm not going crazy!) I notived a tiny error in editing in SH. When Liz says "comon, lets go", when they head out to the desert, her mouth isn't even moving. I can see how they only shoot with one camera at a time and try to piece it together as best they can. Nemo: I think that you should be the one to write the "Annotated Roswell" book! I've seen first hand how you seem to notice every detail! I would buy it too! I disagree with you though about the handprint in the pilot - it's all over the place! I think the continuity people really overlooked that one... Rain
Hailey Angel Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 52
05-30-2000 01:10AM
in Toy House, when Michael makes a napkin holder for Maria... on the wall at school there is a big sign that mentions a "random act of kindness"... thought that was relevant to the story
plumeria Level 2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 93
05-30-2000 04:50 AM I was re-watching the pilot last night and I noticed that when Valenti is questioning Liz, he has a wedding ring on. Isn't he supposed to be divorced? I haven't noticed -- does he have a ring on in other episodes? Also, when Liz first gets to her room and puts her finger through the bullet hole in her uniform ... there are two holes (she puts her finger in one and out the other). Shouldn't there only be one hole?
Miss Roswell Level 3 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 265
05-30-2000 06:27AM
Has anyone tried to put all the 'signs' in order to see if they spell out clues about the future of the show (i.e., DANGER, EXIT, TOXIC WASTE)???? I don't have all the eps taped to determine if they are really some sort of significance. Can someone help?
Nemo Level 3 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 311
05-30-2000 07:34 AM Rain, thanks for the compliment. I now see that I was mistaken about the handprint and you and plumeria were right. At first I thought the issue was the mainly the location, and that looked fairly consistent to me: the wound was a little to the right of the navel (Liz's right, our left), the palm of Max's left hand was over the wound, the fingers extending toward Liz's right. But now I see that the print is of the wrong hand, as plumeria pointed out. It's consistently a right hand print (reversing appropriately in the mirror), thumb down. Whereas Max's right hand was under Liz's head.
LadyJ Level 3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 118
05-30-2000 08:12AM
I orignally posted this on the Pilot General Discussion thread and someone suggested I post it here.
I'm pretty new to the boards so this may have been discussed before, but can someone please tell me how Liz died five days before September 23rd and September 24? The actual lines are: "September 23rd. Journal entry one. I'm Liz Parker and five days ago I died. After that, things got really weird.... " Voice over at introduction of pilot. "It's September 24th, I'm Liz Parker and five days ago I died. But then the really amazing thing happened. I came to life." Voice over from end of pilot. This stumped me the first time I watched it, but I thought I must have just misheard the first date. Is this just a mistake or is it somehow important to the plot later? By the way, did anyone else notice the way they lit up Liz's face when Max told her he was from "up north" and she looked up? Between the lights playing across her face and the swelling background music, I thought we were about to see a spaceship land.
FehrChick2002 Level 2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 86
05-30-2000 09:29AM
I noticed the hand thing too Plumeria. Also in the scene when Max healed Liz, it was his left hand that he healed her with. Then he tossed the keys to Michael with his left hand. Where was all the blood?
ALICIAROSWELL Level 1 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 19
05-30-2000 01:25PM
I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE POSTED THIS BEFORE, BUT WATCHING THE PILOT AGAIN LAST NIGHT, I NOTICED AT THE FESTIVAL, I BELIEVE THE ANNOUNCER IS JONATHAN FRAKES. PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG!
asdf Level 3 Registered: Nov 1999 Posts: 482
05-30-2000 01:37 PM I don't know if this counts as noticing the little things but in Destiny, when Liz and Tess are in the jeep talking and Tess makes the agents see Pierce, Liz has Max's coat wrapped around her. I just thought that was a nice detail that they added. Also in The Balance, when Max and Liz are playing pool, Liz tickles Max underneath the armpit right before he shoots the ball (it's a very quick shot, you have to keep your eyes peeled to see it). I don't know if that was stage direction or a little ad-lib/friendly teasing on Shiri Appleby's part.
wb fan Level 3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 262
05-30-2000 02:28 PM ALICIAROSWELL, You are correct, that was Jonathan Frakes. Pretty cool, huh? Wow are you guys observant. I was happy to be able to watch the Pilot again. I'm glad I've taped episodes so I can go back and look at everything you've all pointed out!!
fehr_4ever Level 3 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 310
05-30-2000 06:42PM
Ok, I didn't get to read all the posts yet, but i don't think anybody mentioned this yet...now how do i explain it??? it's kinda hard to...well, here goes: in "the toy house", during the basketball game, when isabel and two of her cliquey friends came into the gym and asked if there was any room for them, and then alex gets all happy and gets up to try to find room for them, the camera kinda moves to the left, goes by very closely to isabel's head so that her head is covering the screen completely, and as the camera continues to go left and her head starts disappearing, you see the people behind her, which is alex (getting up) and maria a lot more up close than they were before the camera went by isabel's head...did ANYBODY understand what i just said??? i hope so...just watch that scene REALLY CLOSELY again and you'll know what i mean, and maybe you can explain in better words for others!!!
fehr_4ever Level 3 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 310
05-30-2000 06:47PM
Ok, I didn't get to read all the posts yet, but i don't think anybody mentioned this yet...now how do i explain it??? it's kinda hard to...well, here goes: in "the toy house", during the basketball game, when isabel and two of her cliquey friends came into the gym and asked if there was any room for them, and then alex gets all happy and gets up to try to find room for them, the camera kinda moves to the left, goes by very closely to isabel's head so that her head is covering the screen completely, and as the camera continues to go left and her head starts disappearing, you see the people behind her, which is alex (getting up) and maria a lot more up close than they were before the camera went by isabel's head...did ANYBODY understand what i just said??? i hope so...just watch that scene REALLY CLOSELY again and you'll know what i mean, and maybe you can explain in better words for others!!!
marph222 Level 3 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 139
05-31-2000 04:02AM
not 100% positive on this one... in the pilot scene at the crashdown festival, there is a woman who is standing close to the stage, right underneath jonathan frakes as he is counting down the "crash"...look closely at her. she's only on for a flash cut-- but i'd swear she is the same actress who played hubble's wife. anyone else notice her?
plumeria Level 2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 93
05-31-2000 04:31 AM I knew there was something else I noticed in the pilot... When Liz and Kyle are saying goodnight at her door after their date, where is that door? It doesn't look like the employee entrance to the Crashdown, and yet where else could it be? BTW, I concede to the evidence (See pics on Pilot Gen. Discussion Thread) - the handprint IS in the correct location (I thought they had moved it).
gabriella Level 1 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 13
05-31-2000 09:47AM
Good Afternoon, This thread is interesting in the small details we notice. One small but neat detail that my son and I noticed was from the Destiny episode. As they are carrying Max through the fence, Michael passes the weakend Max to Isabel and Liz. Liz is on his right side, Isabel on left. Once Max got his footing, he looked directly at Liz and lifted his arm up from her neck to hug her. This is a quick shot but it shows how happy he is to see her. Did anyone else catch this???
HollyLou Level 3 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 392
05-31-2000 12:29PM
Originally posted by plumeria[Edited by HollyLou on 05-31-2000 at 12:39 PM]
This has been bugging me for some time -- it's both a small detail and a blooper, as far as I'm concerned... When Max heals Liz, note where the bullet hole is and which hand Max uses to heal her. Then look at the subsequent handprint -- it's not on the same spot, and it's not the same hand! Did anyone else catch that? Max using his left hand;thumb pointing up The thumb is pointing down now It's in the same place on her stomach but it looks like Max used his right hand. Now the mirror is confusing but it's supposed the be backwards but the thumb is still going to wrong direction...Very annoying.
plumeria Level 2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 93
06-01-2000 04:22 AM Another thing I've been wondering in the pilot -- in the "reverse connection" scene, when Liz sees through Max's eyes, we see Max watching Liz as he walks down the hall, and he bumps into someone. Looks a little like he bumped into Kyle, but it's so quick it's hard to tell. Anyone else see that? If so, it would be amusing imagery, forecasting the future Max/Kyle conflicts (i.e. in LN)
smiles150 Level 3 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 373
06-01-2000 05:45AM
Who understands spanish? I want to know what Maria was saying to Liz at the beginning of the pilot when she holding Liz's face in her hands.
Nightowl Level 5 Registered: Apr 1999 Posts: 1184
06-01-2000 06:15AM
I believe the Pilot was filmed on an entirely different lot than the rest of the eps, because at the time Fox had ownership of Roswell or something. I'm likely wrong though. Eden
Nightowl Level 5 Registered: Apr 1999 Posts: 1184
06-01-2000 06:20AM
Originally posted by asdfThat scene originally had more on the start of it, and it started with Liz reaching into the back of the Jeep and putting on Max's jacket. Eden
I don't know if this counts as noticing the little things but in Destiny, when Liz and Tess are in the jeep talking and Tess makes the agents see Pierce, Liz has Max's coat wrapped around her.
Ryal Level 1 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 31
06-01-2000 06:51AM
I believe the pilot Crashdown and other earlier scenes were shot at a set in the studio. Later on in the season, after the restaurant in Covina where external shots of the Crashdown had been filmed closed, they started filming internal Crasdown scenes inside the restaurant. I believe that explains some of the changes (e.g. the bar/counter) that some of you had noticed.
Cassandra Level 3 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 282
06-01-2000 07:11AM
Someone mentioned the door to Liz's apartment in the pilot. I noticed it too, it was just to the left of the Crashdown's main entrance. You can she this in the scene where Maria runs out screaming. This has been changed, as has the entire Crashdown and Liz's room. There wasn't a ladder to her balcony in the pilot either. Oh, and I did notice the 23rd/24th date change. Maybe when Liz started writting it was the 23rd, but by the time Liz got to the end of her journal entry it was after midnight, so she said it was the 24th. I know it's a strech! I'm sure it's just a blooper.
smiles150 Level 3 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 373
06-01-2000 08:02AM
I noticed the difference with the Parker's front door also. The balcony was definitely different. It was more open and spacey during the pilot. One thing that struck me was the term "Arrive alive". I think that I've read that on certain threads throughout the season but never realized where it came from until I saw Valenti saying it in the pilot.
moongazer Level 1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 18
06-01-2000 08:03AM
After reading this thread, I have to start a Roswell marathon right now. I've noticed a few of these things, especially the hand thing...but there is so much to see!! This is so interesting...like a whole new program to watch.
ALICIAROSWELL Level 1 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 19
06-01-2000 10:44AM
Smiles150, What Maria says to Liz, while holding her face in her hands at the beginning of the pilot, is "Preciosita tan linda", like saying " You beautiful, pretty thing".
smiles150 Level 3 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 373
06-01-2000 10:49AM
Originally posted by ALICIAROSWELL Smiles150Thanks for the translation!
What Maria says to Liz, while holding her face in her hands at the beginning of the pilot, is "Preciosita tan linda", like saying " You beautiful, pretty thing".
LKEVE Level 1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 37
06-01-2000 10:55AM
Here's something that I thought about the other day. I was watching that episode when Tess leads Max and Liz to the library where she is with Kyle and she pulls that book out of the wall. I'm not quite sure what the name of the episode was but I did realize when Liz and Max were in the school on the computer looking for that v formation in the stars, Max read that it had started moving into its current formation about the time Tess arrived or the last full moon. Tess wasn't there the whole time though so how is it that that star formation appeared in each of the episodes leading up to her appearance.
StrainOfDestiny Level 2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 78
06-01-2000 12:32 PM In "Max to the Max" Nasato/Max gets into the bus first but when they cut to the interior Liz is coming up the steps first.
HollyLou Level 3 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 392
06-01-2000 10:06PM
This tidbit is probably just laziness on the writer's part but I just wish they would keep better track of incidental info they give us about characters instead of making stuff up every episode. 1. In the Pilot, Max's driver's license says he lives on Morton Ave (it really is hard to see) 2. In Crazy, the address listed on the rolodex card for Special Agent Stephens is 6025 Murray Lane. 3. In White Room Max tells Pierce he lives at 6025 Murray Lane. I wonder which writer's address is 6025 Murray Lane???????
Michelle in Yonkers Level 1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 34
06-02-2000 12:38AM
Constellation stuff: Michael sees it in The Balance Also in TB, Liz tells Max (chinese rest. date) that "My parents are away for the weekend on an astronomy outing...something about Venus being in the morning sky." (Not unusual in reality, but in light of later eps, a hint at some kind of alignment in progress) When Max says to "take a step back" and parts, Liz looks wistful, and then her eyes sweep up to the sky overhead - the Vee Liz & Max see the Vee when they kiss in BD (but Max forgets) Michael lights a signal on the library lawn. (BD) But before he does, he explains to Iz that he's figured out it's the constellation Aries, and it's most visible in April (implying that it's now) SH, Liz says that something's happening inside her, something undeniable, strong, scary, etc., and that she's changing Max & Iz in 4S say thay something's happening inside them, they're changing, something's awakening, etc. "Primal" "Instinctive" Max & Liz investigate the Vee on the computer at school (4S); it "doesn't look right"; Max says "Put in today's date" (5-27-00), and then as the screen is painting, Liz says, "Oh, look! *Venus*! It completes the V-shape!" (Alignment complete) She reads the screen which says that Aries "is associated with ancient spring and equinox rituals, mating and fertility rituals in pagan and Native American lore." In M2TM, Max tells Iz that he has gleaned from Tess that the "dreams" are just to tell them their "destinies" (doesn't anyone else balk at that word?), but that *the alignment of the constellation has awakened their biological drives.* Food for thought
Michelle in Yonkers Level 1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 34
06-02-2000 12:53AM
In the Destiny finale ep, when Liz and Max start off in the getaway car (Maria's mother's, it seems), Max says, "Liz, if we ever get out of this..." and then the Evil Unit shoots out the back windshield. What do you suppose he was going to say?
GraceKel Level 4 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 603
06-02-2000 12:12PM
Michelle In Yonkers right there with you on all the V constellation stuff. Interesting isn't it? I was wondering what Max was going to say as well but I thought it was going to be something like we are going to stay together no matter what and that he would never let go of her---or maybe that is just wishful thinking----------what BOTHERS me is did EVERYONE including Max forget that Nasedo kidnapped Liz? Why do they all suddenly trust him? Does it bother anyone else. I am hoping against hope that Max questions everything right away in SEASON2 because he should be--he has never trusted them b4 and kidnapping Liz should have made him trust them less right?
KatLee Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 3
06-02-2000 12:25PM
The reason the doors changed... After Liz got shot they changed the doors because if I remember the windows shatterd, but it wasen't from a bullet. I can't remember how the shatterd but I am sure they did. Or did I mix that up with an other ep. KatLee
Roswell_Amanda Level 3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 148
06-02-2000 01:01PM
Just a question... why does Maria speak Spanish. Now I know that kids take it in high school but I speak some spanish and her's seemed natural, not school taught. Does any know if Majandra is spanish or what?
LadyJ Level 3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 118
06-02-2000 01:31PM
Quick question. In Crazy when Valenti and the "Doctor" go to meet the Pod Squad at Buckley Point the doctor is really Nasedo. This forces so many questions. Why did Nasedo keep the teens from getting the other communicator? How did Nasedo know that the FBI would put Topolsky in a mental hospital? And finally, why would Nasedo help the FBI? That last question is because Pierce said "Good work, you lead me right to them" to Topolsky and I took that to mean that he had seen the teens. Thanks for helping clear this up.
shapeshifter Level 3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 157
06-02-2000 07:20PM
just bumping so the Things I've noticed that no one has mentioned.... thread people can find this thread.
Ryal Level1 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 31
06-02-2000 09:22PM
Originally posted by Roswell_AmandaI beleive that Majandra's family comes from one of the South American countries - El Salvador?, Columbia?, whatever - I'm not sure. Her last name is Delfino, which I believe is Hispanic. A Covina resident I know has communicated with her and Majandra has apologized for not knowing Spanish better than she does.
Just a question... why does Maria speak Spanish. Now I know that kids take it in high school but I speak some spanish and her's seemed natural, not school taught. Does any know if Majandra is spanish or what?
Shannon1979 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 3
06-02-2000 10:00PM
Okay as my first post I thought I would point something out to you all. In the episode where they plot out the constellation and Liz says it's used in fertitlity rituals, especially Native American ones well if we all remember back to the beginning of the season Liz's Grandma studied Native Americans I don't know if this has any real significance but I think something similar is up on the significance of Liz in the aliens mythology.
Roswell_Amanda Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 148
06-02-2000 11:05PM
From THE BALANCE:
LIZ: My parents are away for the weekend. They're at a stargazing camp-out. SOMETHING ABOUT VENUS BEING IN THE MORNING SKY.
MAX: I thought SHE was RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
OK So I changed the caps to show importance. Now my thoughts, either the writers are playing some kind of sick "hidden clue" game with all us fanatics or something has got to be up. I mean all these clues! I can't take much more! Hurry up and get here new season!!!!!!! Any thoughts?
I just read this and from what he says there will still be 3 aliens?????
"Roswell" star Jason Behr promises a deeper exploration of his alien side now that WB has renewed the show for a second season.
"It feels great. It feels wonderful," he said. "We still have a lot more story to tell. There is still a lot left with where we can go with the three aliens and the relationship."
[Edited by Roswell_Amanda on 06-03-2000 at 02:41 AM]
MyAh Level3 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 405
06-03-2000 12:52AM
Roswell_Amanda - I think he was referring to Max, Isabel, and Michael when he said the 3 aliens.
plumeria Level2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 93
06-03-2000 09:49 AM
I've been wondering about the science class Max and Liz share. We've seen it as a bio class (where Liz checks Max's cells), an astronomy class (in SH), a chemistry class (Monsters - Max and Liz are doing some chem-related thing). And the teachers keep changing. Is there such a thing as a general science class, or is it just an inconcistency on the part of the writers to use whatever science to enhance the story as they see fit?
Also, can someone from NM answer this -- when I was in high school (in CA), sophomores were 15 going on 16. In the show they're 16 going on 17. Does NM have different age ranges for each grade?
fehr_4ever Level3 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 310
06-03-2000 09:53AM
Majandra is half Cuban, half Venezualan. she was born in venezuala and raised in miami.
*Maria* Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 216
06-03-2000 10:55 AM
OK, I don't know where else to post this, but this has been bugging me since I saw the "Destiny" episode (I'm probably crazy for even thinking this).
Alright...how did Tess know the agents' names when she was going in their heads to make them see Pierce? I know she could do it, but she would have to be informed of the mens' names first. Remember in "The White Room" when Isabel came out of dreamwalk and had to tell her that Pierce wanted the orbs to work? There's no way she would have known the agents' names in Destiny unless she was told. And from what I know, Valenti didn't hear their names on the radio, just Pierce saying Kyle should be checked on. I think it was just a bit too convenient.
Also....what happened to Pierce's shot? He got shot by Valenti, and the next day suddenly, he's all better? (I think someone brought this up before).
Anyway, I have to rewatch my eps for more clues...LOL
Cassandra Level3 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 282
06-03-2000 11:03AM
Well, Pierce did have his arm in a sling in Destiny. But, you're right, he didn't act like he was in any pain and he had just been shot the night before.
MaggieMagpie Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 64
06-03-2000 11:27 AM
OOh! This is so much fun. (Jumping up & down with delight). I just finished a marathon and only noticed all the "v" formations...thinking I was so clever! So, I guess I need to get my mushy heart away from the "heart scenes" and check out the background. (I'm working on how to make the little smilie hop...I'm sooooo computer challenged!)
Mags
Roswell_Amanda Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 148
06-03-2000 02:08PM
I understand that he was talking about Max, Michael, and Isabel when he said the three aliens but why didn't he say four? If there are supposed to be 4 now? If Tess is going to be included in their journey as a part of them shouldn't he have said 4? Ok Well if I'm mistaken...nevermind. maybe just wishful thinkning.
Roswell_Amanda Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 148
06-03-2000 11:42PM
::BUMP!!!!::
hookt Level5 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 1469
06-04-2000 12:18AM
Max (along with Michael and Isabel) is 17 and a sophomore because the Evanses found then when they were six, and they got behind in school.
Ailina Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 1
06-04-2000 01:18AM
quote:I thought the same thing about that scene. It looks like Kyle that Max bumps into but I can never hit the pause button on my VCR to make sure.
Originally posted by plumeria
Another thing I've been wondering in the pilot -- in the "reverse connection" scene, when Liz sees through Max's eyes, we see Max watching Liz as he walks down the hall, and he bumps into someone. Looks a little like he bumped into Kyle, but it's so quick it's hard to tell. Anyone else see that? If so, it would be amusing imagery, forecasting the future Max/Kyle conflicts (i.e. in LN)
GraceKel Level4 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 603
06-04-2000 07:54AM
Ailina just for the record it is not Kyle that Max bumps into in that connection vision, I checked it out-I just think they were showing us that he was so captivated by Liz that he wasn't paying attention to where he was going. That's all.
bluecornmoon Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 36
06-04-2000 10:11AM
Just watched 285 South again and noticed that the skylight in Atherton's geodesic dome bears the SAME CHRYSLER LOGO that the bad aliens have on their communicators! Does that mean Atherton was a bad alien and that is why Nacedo killed him? If so, if the autopsy didn't show any difference, does that mean they can shapeshift into undetectable humans? Any other bad aliens, besides the ones that shot Liz in the Pilot? ("We have to get rid of her!").
hollygolightly72 Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 41
06-04-2000 10:26AM
I think Atherton was the good alien and Nasedo killed him to take his place. I think Nasedo tricked Atherton into trusting him and probably got him to reveal where The Pod Squad was. But when Nasedo got there it was too late because they had already hatched and went out into the world.
Anyone know when Atherton died?
Faith
twilightlurker Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 15
06-04-2000 10:30AM
1. When Topolsky asks Alex what happened in the Hospital (BB), the sign behind Alex says: "YOU CAN CHOOSE" and when she is talking to Agent Stevens, the same sign appears on the other wall, only then you can read: "YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO OVERCOME!". The sign on the original wall says "LEARNING ZONE". 2. When M/L go looking in Kyle's room, the sign says "No Tresspassing" (Missing). 3. In 285 S, when Kyle speaks to the Sheriff about Liz' behavior, the sign behind him says: "DON'T MISS THIS!". 4. When Max leaves the store in 285 South and the FBI guy is on the phone, the sign on the door says "RUSH!". 5. The name of the Motel in 285 So. is Sultan HIDE AWAY! 6. Right after M/M's first kiss in RD, you see the sign outside the Crashdown. It says: Closed - PLEASE CALL AGAIN! LOL! 7. In SH, Michael put a sign behind the fridge, right where the FBI would later put the TV camera and it says: "DANGER ...AREA!".
Boy, I love the writers!
bluecornmoon Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 36
06-04-2000 10:45AM
Faith, Atherton died in November 1959.
MaggieMagpie Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 64
06-04-2000 10:45 AM
quote:I just watched that pilot, listening for "We have to get rid of her" and didn't hear it!!! Any trick to help me? At what exact moment!? I don't mind watching again! Since I'm already gonna watch 285 South to see the logo....
Originally posted by bluecornmoon
Just watched 285 South again and noticed that the skylight in Atherton's geodesic dome bears the SAME CHRYSLER LOGO that the bad aliens have on their communicators! Does that mean Atherton was a bad alien and that is why Nacedo killed him? If so, if the autopsy didn't show any difference, does that mean they can shapeshift into undetectable humans? Any other bad aliens, besides the ones that shot Liz in the Pilot? ("We have to get rid of her!").
bluecornmoon Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 36
06-04-2000 11:33AM
MaggieMagpie: Liz is talking to Larry and Jennifer and they ask her if she has any alien crash stories. Liz says, "I guess it will be okay to show you guys this" (and pulls out a picture). Right then, in the background, you can hear them say: WE HAVE TO GET RID OF HER!!!
hollygolightly72 Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 41
06-04-2000 11:34AM
You here it the background as soon as she takes out the alien picture to show the couple.
Turn your volume up really loud.
Faith
Rachael Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 5
06-04-2000 11:56AM
This might have been talked about before, so if it was just ignore this...but are Max and Isabel considered twins? (I've been reading fan fic need I say more)
Also non related..JB was doing an interview on the Oxygen network and the interviewer said something about she didn't like Max not going after Liz.. and he said that he thinks Max will proboably still pursue Liz next season. I don't have the link but it's on another thread somewhere..I also didn't see the interview so those aren't exact quotes.
But I thought It might cheer some dreamgirls up!
Roswell_Amanda Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 148
06-04-2000 01:14PM
It helps to watch the cast members interviews. Sometimes they say things that help to make a conclusion. Yay! I hope he still persues Liz, I mean how could he not right? They're perfect for each other!
MaggieMagpie Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 64
06-04-2000 04:38 PM
: WE HAVE TO GET RID OF HER!!!
I heard it! Once I knew exactly where, it was as clear as a bell! Who catches this stuff the first time around? Sheesh! So, there are some who believe that Liz getting shot that day was no accident?? Very interesting...
GraceKel Level4 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 603
06-04-2000 04:49PM
MaggiePie MPie my twelve year old daughter caught this one I wish I could take credit but she did she said the only reason she caught it was because she had it on but was not looking at the screen only listening doing something at the time and suddenly there is was! What a catch! Now maybe it means nothing the writers can do what they like but I think it is a very big clue.
MaggieMagpie Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 64
06-04-2000 04:52 PM
Grace, that makes perfect sense that you'd hear it if you weren't watching. I probably miss everything cuz I'm so intent on watching eyes. That's incredible. Now that I have them on tape, I'm trying to look into the backgrounds more for info! Good job! BTW, can you tell me what a "bump" is? I've looked all over and haven't been able to find out what it means.....duh....sorry.
GraceKel Level4 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 603
06-04-2000 04:59PM
MAGGIEMAGPIE a bump means you don't have anything really new to say on your post but you want the thread to go to the top of the page because so many of us are lazy and will not go back 3 or 4 pages to find very interesting threads so we bump the thread just to boost it to the top of the first page.
MaggieMagpie Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 64
06-04-2000 05:09 PM
Thanks, Grace! I get it now . Now I understand how the threads move around too. I was going crazy trying to figure out why the darn things were never in the same order! I've said it before....I'm a little slow!
shapeshifter Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 157
06-04-2000 05:10PM
Have any of you tapesters noticed if either of the Beavis & Butthead-type gunmen resembles the homeless-looking guy that the shapeshifter took on in Independence Day?
FehrChick2002 Level2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 86
06-04-2000 05:13PM
I don't know if anyone else caught this one, but, in blood brothers when Liz is talking to Alex in the Crashdown she was like "We've been friends since the 5th grade", and then she said "if 5 years of friendship mean anything to you..." ~ Well isn't that 6 years of friendship ~ 5th grade, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th ~ That's 6 years! Did anyone else catch that?
Roswell_Amanda Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 148
06-04-2000 08:03PM
BUMP!!!!!!!!!
plumeria Level2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 93
06-05-2000 05:22 AM
Twilightlurker, thanks for pointing out all those background signs! I totally missed all those -- I'll be watching for them in the re-runs this summer. That's the sort of thing I was hoping people would point out in this thread; love all those little details!
I noticed in 285South (end) that Maria's car must still be broken because the 5 of them all crammed into the Jeep to get to Atherton's house. But then, after making their getaway (in RD), you see them driving home in both cars. If they were in that much of a hurry to get away, when did they stop so that they (presumably Max or Isabel) could fix the Jetta?
Star Gazin' Gal Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 6
06-05-2000 06:42AM
Okay caught another sign last night (after rewatching the Pilot for the upteenth time =P) At the Crashfestival, at one point, behind Liz is "Protect". I was like awww..isnt that sweet? lol...So was is my imagination, did it say something else entirely?
Oh and it -still- cracks me up whenever I get to the part where Alex says "Nice cones" to Isabel...I can't -believe- he said that!
Also...anyone else wonder how Max got -behind- Liz so quickly after he sees her (facing him) through the fence?
Roswellian360 Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 160
06-05-2000 07:31AM
I don't know if someone else has said this, but I was watching the pilot last night and I noticed that at the beginning Liz says It's September 23rd and five days ago I died and then at the end she says It's September 24th and five days ago I died. Just a little something I noticed.
LKEVE Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 37
06-05-2000 11:27AM
About the handprint. Not only did it change location, it was the wrong hand
LKEVE Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 37
06-05-2000 11:50AM
quote:
Originally posted by Roswell_AmandaMaria/Majandra is Venezuelan. She speaks fluent Spanish.
Just a question... why does Maria speak Spanish. Now I know that kids take it in high school but I speak some spanish and her's seemed natural, not school taught. Does any know if Majandra is spanish or what?
I'd like to point out that when Michael and Isabel used a rope soaked with gasoline to light a symbol on the library lawn, was there some particular reason they didn't set the library on fire. Gasoline on grass! And none of the grass outside the symbol was even scorched.
[Edited by LKEVE on 06-05-2000 at 11:56 AM]
KayCM Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 30
06-05-2000 03:17 PM
I think it was in Four Square that Michael went to look up Tess' school records and Maria joins him. Well anyway Tess'birthdate is shown as 3/07/83. How come Max's birthdate in Blood Brothers was 3/15/83? According to the new "coming out of the pods" story, Max, Iz, and Michael left Tess in the cave. Wouldn't that make her "birthdate" later, not earlier, than theirs?
mattia Level4 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 868
06-05-2000 03:42PM
first, Liz told alex they had been friends since 5th grade, but alex corrected her and said they really did not become friends til 6th. ( i think so anyway)
here is another one: This could be used in support of the "Tess was the one who crated the mother-vision" arguement. I don't buy it though. Usually the writers throw stuff in our face to make it blanatly obvious that is occurred, but here it is anyway:
after Tess tells the FBI to go to Hondo in Destiny, Liz says, "you can do that? tell them both at the same time" or something to that effect, anyway, they are telling the viewer that tess can cantrol more than one mind at a time, meaning it id possible that she controlled Liz and the pod squad in to seeing the mother-vision.
Dana_21 Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 31
06-05-2000 06:55PM
Speaking of Hondo, in the end of Destiny, Max tells Nasedo/Pierce that the agents are both in Hondo, but one is still locked up in a closet at the Valenti's.
Was it me or was Liz driving Maria's car in Destiny... It at least looked the same. Maybe it was just because it was so dark.
One huge thing that hasn't been addressed much is that Nasedo told Michael that he was a really advanced human. I can't remember if he said that they were all human or just a part human (and i don't have the tape of WR to watch it). But if he had said they were all human and just really really advanced, doesn't that make it a little strange that Max's cells looked so different from Liz's in the pilot?
BTW, I also noticed that Liz said both Setp. 23 and 24 and I was confused by that as well.
Roxy7 Level1 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 43
06-05-2000 06:57 PM
quote:I think originally they were making some of the characters hispanic. I know in the Roswell High Books, Liz's last name is Ortecho. The setting is Roswell, New Mexico. It does have a large hispanic population.
Originally posted by Roswell_Amanda
Just a question... why does Maria speak Spanish. Now I know that kids take it in high school but I speak some spanish and her's seemed natural, not school taught. Does any know if Majandra is spanish or what?
Roxy
hollygolightly72 Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 41
06-05-2000 07:12PM
This probably means nothing. At most, the writer's trying to be clever.
In the first episode, when Sheriff Valenti was showing Liz pictures of the 1959 murder victims, the date on the folder was NOVEMBER 16, 1959.
Well, today, I bought "In Cold Blood" at the bookstore. Truman Capotes account of the murder of the Clutter family in in a small western town.
The back of it read
"On NOVEMBER 15, 1959, in the small town of Holcomb, Kansas, four members of the Clutter family were savagely murdered by blasts from a shotgum held a few inches from their faces. There was no apparent motive for the crime, and there were almost no clues."
When I saw the date, I instantly thought of Roswell. The date is off by a day but I just thought it was interesting.
Faith
Roxy7 Level1 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 43
06-05-2000 09:54 PM
I'm sorry if someone already mentioned this but watching the Morning After tonight with my sister and she pointed out that Topolsky never does a full roll call. After asking about Michael she goes right to teaching. Roxy
BYtheSEA Level3 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 432
06-05-2000 10:14PM
quote:I think it's a bit much to think that Tess could use mind control on all four of them (Liz, Max, Isabel and Michael), but where did Nasedo/Pierce go after he shapeshifted and left the cave? He might have helped Tess with that, if they are "evil" and/or working together. BTW - I am all for the "Mom-o-gram" being manipulated by Tess and Nasedo.
Originally posted by mattia
after Tess tells the FBI to go to Hondo in Destiny, Liz says, "you can do that? tell them both at the same time" or something to that effect, anyway, they are telling the viewer that tess can cantrol more than one mind at a time, meaning it id possible that she controlled Liz and the pod squad in to seeing the mother-vision.
shapeshifter Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 157
06-05-2000 10:21PM
My daughter noticed the abbreviated roll call too. She also wondered why Liz went along in the Jeep with Max to spy on Topolsky at Michael's...besides just to be with Max.
Oh, and only tangentally related to this thread, but she also told me that "Dido" is the name of a mythical heroine queen from the Aeneid who was rejected by her people for having a love affair with an alien who crash landed on her kingdom (in a boat). Dido the Queen commits suicide
[Edited by shapeshifter on 06-05-2000 at 10:31 PM]
Roxy7 Level1 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 43
06-05-2000 10:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by shapeshifterThat's right. I didn't realize that and I did the opera a few years ago. How interesting....
Oh, and only tangentally related to this thread, but she also told me that "Dido" is the name of a mythical heroine queen from the Aeneid who was rejected by her people for having a love affair with an alien who crash landed on her kingdom (in a boat). Dido the Queen commits suicide
BYtheSEA Level3 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 432
06-05-2000 11:36PM
quote:First - I believe it was Maria's Jetta that Liz was driving in Destiny. What will Maria tell her mother?
Originally posted by Dana_21
Was it me or was Liz driving Maria's car in Destiny... It at least looked the same. Maybe it was just because it was so dark.
One huge thing that hasn't been addressed much is that Nasedo told Michael that he was a really advanced human. I can't remember if he said that they were all human or just a part human (and i don't have the tape of WR to watch it). But if he had said they were all human and just really really advanced, doesn't that make it a little strange that Max's cells looked so different from Liz's in the pilot?
Mr. Harding told Michael their bone structure was 100% human, that's why Michael could get through the security scanner.
Later, he told Michael that they (the Pod Squad) were engineered to be highly advanced humans and that everything they can do is human. I have a problem with this - why do Michael and Nasedo have the same power (remember in White Room when the "agent" found Michael, Isabel and Tess in the morgue?) Also, why did the sweat (from The Balance) effect Michael the same way it affected Nasedo? And, of course, the - to borrow a phrase from Pierce - "completely not human" cells?
So, I believe the Pod Squad are part alien.
BYtheSEA Level3 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 432
06-05-2000 11:42PM
OK, one more thing.
* * SIGN ALERT * * SIGN ALERT * *
Watching The Morning After, I noticed in Max's room (at the beginning when Michael "breaks in" to talk) that there was a certificate or something on a bulletin board over Michael's shoulder. I thought it said "Captain" or maybe it was "Capitan."
Could anyone else make out what it read?
Dark Ilk Level2 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 71
06-06-2000 02:37 AM
was just re-watching SH when I realized there was a blooper in terms of placement... of our hero, Max, nonetheless!!
When Max was telling Michael how he was having trouble with 'making use' of Liz (in Michael's apartment, something to the effect of 'treating someone I love as a thing'), Max had advanced into the room such that Michael would be on stage LEFT.
There's a short exchange (really short)between Max/Michael or Iz/Michael (I don't remember which.. sorry ) and when Michael next speaks to Max about "how he has available to him one of the best 3 lines being it'll help me find my home planet", Michael sits down next to Max and amazingly, this means that Michael was originally stage RIGHT of Max!!
Is it just me??
plumeria Level2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 93
06-06-2000 04:24 AM
I don't have ID on tape anymore, so I can't be sure, but wasn't that a different Mr. Evans in Morning After?
And, wow, good point about the fact that they're supposed to be "advanced humans" but the cells still look so different. Remember, though, that although they were designed to be the same as advanced humans, their "essence" (to quote Mom) still comes from an alien source. That's probably why the cells are different -- a side effect of the hybridization.
BTW, I also noticed Liz using the different fluid in the lab for Max's cells.
brianh Level3 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 104
06-06-2000 06:31AM
The certificate on the board behind Micheal's shoulder said Capitan in last nite's ep.
Nemo Level3 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 311
06-06-2000 07:41 AM
That certificate is one of the reasons I think the Destiny message, or most of it, was intended to be in the story from the start, not a recent imposition. A few more clues like that have been added to the Science Fiction of Destiny thread. http://www.fanforum.com/forum/upload/showthread.php?threadid=23216&pagenumber=5
Did you notice Grandma Claudia's necklace? Doesn't the piece in the center look like the orb?
[Edited by Nemo on 06-07-2000 at 10:28 PM]
Stokley Level3 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 156
06-06-2000 08:13AM
Hey all i'm a newbie on this thread...and this comment is concerning the songs
Over here in Australia we've only just seen Blind Date and in it the scene where Isabel is lying on her bed and the Blink 182 song "Adam's Song" is playing in the background, one set of lyrics really stood out for me it was
"I never thought I'd die alone.... I took my time, I hurried up, The choice was mine i didn't think enough, You'll be sorry when i'm gone
I never conqured, rarely came, 16 just held such better days Days when i still alive, We couldn't wait to get outside, The world was wide, too late to try, The touor was over i'd survived I couldn't wait till i got home"
I think maybe this has some bearing / insight to Isabels relationship with Micheal and Max and her Family
Well just food for thought
Peeps
"sit dog boy, sit!"
LKEVE Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 37
06-06-2000 10:26AM
In a post someone said that they were confused about Max's and Liz's blood cells since Nacedo told Michael that they were all advanced humans in White Room. They wanted to know why the cells were so different. I have an answer.
In destiny Max and Iz's Mom said that they were engineered to be humans but they were made using their essence. So of course if she is their mother they would be alien wouldn't they?
wb fan Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 262
06-06-2000 02:43 PM
Saw a blooper in The Morning After rerun last night.
The scene in Max and Iz's house right before their parents walk in. One of the characters is sitting in front of a window. You can see the boom mic in the reflection of the window. The only reason I was "looking around the room" is because of this thread and everything you guys notice. Thanks!
BYtheSEA Level3 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 432
06-06-2000 08:13PM
quote:Yes, he was different. Hmmm ... maybe he's Nasedo.
Originally posted by plumeria
I don't have ID on tape anymore, so I can't be sure, but wasn't that a different Mr. Evans in Morning After?
Roxy7 Level1 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 43
06-06-2000 08:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by plumeria
I don't have ID on tape anymore, so I can't be sure, but wasn't that a different Mr. Evans in Morning After?
He looked different didn't he? I think it is a different actor.
Michelle in Yonkers Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 34
06-06-2000 09:23PM
The Sept. 23/24th thing: She's up very late, it just turned 12:01, so now the date is bumped up but it's still "5" days time ago?
The Agents: Yup, that bothered me, too. She *could* just be making them see what they expect to see, without controlling the exact input, so the victims of her mind control supply the specific details. (Ex: sending Max a general feeling of arousal, and stimulating his mind to supply whatever comes naturally)
*Or*, in M2TM, while they're following Valenti down the highway, Tess recognizes the agents (mile marker 67) immediately and says, "Don't slow down, they're from the Special Unit." She tells the other 3 that she's been hunted by the Special Unit all her life and now they are, too.
When Iz asks Tess what her part will be in the rescue, Tess makes her see an agent capturing her, etc.: that agent is (I think) one of the two from the road, but he's definitely one from the Mirror Maze (the ones who captured Max, which event Tess did not see).
So either the revolving membership at the Special Unit is pretty lax, or she and Harding have some connection with them. Tess seems to be very familiar with particular agents. (And they do use the same actors from one episode to another.)
(How could Harding have a government job ID? I just can't buy that. Complete with camo-clad goon brandishing an M-16 on his doorstep? Very theatrical.)
[Edited by Michelle in Yonkers on 06-06-2000 at 09:30 PM]
plumeria Level2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 93
06-07-2000 03:53 AM
And while we're on the subject of date inconsistencies, I noticed that on The Morning After, Liz opens up with "It's Sept. 27 ..." If she was shot Sept. 18/19 (whenever "5 days ago" was), how could 9/27 be "the morning after"?
And about Mr. Harding as a gov't employee - I was thinking that he killed the real Mr. Harding and took his place (like in Destiny). On the other hand, he was explaining in M2M that his was a very low-level, boring gov't job, so if that's really true, I suppose I could see how he could have a job like that without any trouble. He and Tess (well, Tess for sure at least) have to eat, don't they?
jen_a4 Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 17
06-07-2000 07:45AM
ok i've noticed a couple of things! Ok in um tess lies and video tape when max is talking to micheal in the bathroom, if you look closely at the garbage can it says decendent. So what does that mean. Then in Max 2 Max when liz is in the car with nascedo/max at the gas station is says alignment. So what does that mean. Then in the white room when nasedo says he has four of them to look after it shows michael and he's wearing a top that says 3 so these are all weird things. If you have any suggestions please post them and e-mail them to me at jen_a4@hotmail.com THANKS!
ILVtheFAB4 Level3 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 247
06-07-2000 08:17AM
KayCM- about the birthdays...
Since Max and Is were found in the desert at 6 years old, their exact birthdate is unknown, so it could be any day. It doesn't have to coincide with Tess'.
violet Level1 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 16
06-07-2000 08:36AM
I always found it funny in "Crazy" when Tess (grrr) first met Max and Michael, she told Isabel "don't forget the extra sugar" as a 'hint,hint', but of course (as far as I know), Isabel "forgot" the extra sugar!
-violet
MaggieMagpie Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 64
06-07-2000 08:44 AM
I was watching Heatwave last night and Maria was trying to cover her hickey with a turtleneck in 105 degree weather.....I have a question....How come Maria's hickey didn't glow? (Thank goodness mine never did when I was young either....can you imagine trying to hide a glowing hickey? lol)
ALICIAROSWELL Level1 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 19
06-07-2000 10:15AM
I'M NOT SURE IF SOMEONE POSTED THIS BUT, HAVE YOU NOTICED THE SCAR ON JASON/MAX'S FACE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE? BTW, IT LOOKS GOOD ON HIM! BUT, WHAT DOESN'T?
LKEVE Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 37
06-07-2000 10:33AM
I'm notn completely sure about this one but I believe that in Independence Day the first room you see when you walk in the door of Michael's trailer is the kitchen. In the Morning After it was a living room sorta place.
Roxy7 Level1 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 43
06-07-2000 12:01 PM
quote:That's true. Maria didn't have a glowing hickey or see visions. It adds to the theory that Liz is somewhat "changed" since Max healed her in the first episode. Makes you wonder how "changed" Kyle will be next season.
Originally posted by MaggieMagpie
I was watching Heatwave last night and Maria was trying to cover her hickey with a turtleneck in 105 degree weather.....I have a question....How come Maria's hickey didn't glow? (Thank goodness mine never did when I was young either....can you imagine trying to hide a glowing hickey? lol)
Roxy
Roswell_Amanda Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 148
06-07-2000 12:19PM
About the glowing hickey and visions that Liz had and Maria did not... I think it supports the theory that Liz is more important to the Alien Mythology than we realize.
neurogirl Level1 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 2
06-07-2000 04:57 PM
I know this thread is way down the page by now, but can someone comment on Max and Liz's date location? I know the first date was at a Chinese restaurant. But when Topolsky has Liz meet her at the location of the first date, it doesn't look like the same place.
And when Max/Liz/Michael/Maria double dated, where they supposed to be at the Chinese place? That was definitely a Mexican themed restaurant from the look of the waitress uniform
Sorry to be so vague but its been a while since I've seen the eps. Can anyone comment? Thanks, Neuroscience Girl
StrainOfDestiny Level2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 78
06-07-2000 05:18 PM
Can someone help me make sense of the conversation in "Crazy" when then gang walks in on Maria and Michael making out in Michael's apartment. Liz said something like, "No Michael, she was really scared. I believed her." Then Michael said, "Let me remind you Liz that you believed her the first time."
When did Liz ever believe anything Topolski said?
mattia Level4 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 868
06-07-2000 05:25PM
um the restaurant is senor chows, both mex and chinese.
in the pilot, the cd Isabel is listening to is suppose to be Hole, but it is not. It is a diff cd. I understand the music was added after the scene was shot, but it is not the right cd!
BTW, on my last post, i was just pointing out the Tess-mind control stuff. I do not believe that she manipulated them into seeing the mother-vision
LadyJ Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 118
06-07-2000 05:55PM
quote:
Originally posted by Roswell_Amanda
About the glowing hickey and visions that Liz had and Maria did not... I think it supports the theory that Liz is more important to the Alien Mythology than we realize.
Maria did not have any visions, but Michael did have visions of Maria. I believe this actually says more about Michael and how guarded he is than about Maria or Liz.
MaggieMagpie Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 64
06-07-2000 07:20 PM
Oooh Roxy, I never thought of that. Good point! And, your next one about Kyle next season, too! I can already see the boards light up after the first ep in fall...talk about traffic jam!!!
Dark Ilk Level2 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 71
06-07-2000 07:22 PM
All the signs that we try to figure out; here's another one, but not sure if it means anything....
Sign: "Exit" (one of our favs.. LOL!)
Where: Opening Credits, near the very start with M/L cross-reflections.... you know, the one where he's got this intense gaze with Liz moving forward towards him through the window.... near the bottom of the screen, you can actually just make out the green words in Max's reflection... LOL.. probably means nothing... buy just fun to note...
can't believe I even saw it...was actually feeling kinda sleepy when I spotted it...
Roxy7 Level1 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 43
06-07-2000 07:39 PM
Maggie, now wouldn't it be funny if Kyle falls in love with Max too? Just kidding! lol.
It'll be interesting to see if Kyle gets visions while kissing another alien or human? Has Liz kissed a human since she was "changed"? We know she's kissed Max and Nacedo (evil Max)........
Nemo Level3 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 311
06-08-2000 07:26 AM
jen_a4, I salute you. I have been studying these little details for months, especially since SH. (Usually my findings get posted on the Science Fiction threads. Some sharp-eyed people who study the flashes frame by frame also post there.) The DESCENDENT sign I posted about at the time, but your other details are new to me. About "Alignment": there was a rare alignment of the planets on 5 May 2000; it won't happen again for hundreds of years. The episode MttM aired on the Monday of that week. And the alignment of Venus within that V star formation was prominent in the story at that time. ~TTYL.
[Edited by Nemo on 06-08-2000 at 07:28 AM]
Roswell_Amanda Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 148
06-08-2000 07:38AM
About Kyle, maybe if he gets visions:
Maybe he will meet a girl (evil alien) and kiss her and get a scary vision and go to Liz and tell her, "I kissed her and it was like all these evil, dark, emotions inside of her"
And maybe it will help them spot out a bad alien.
Just a thought
estherterrestrial Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 24
06-08-2000 09:36 AM
Originally posted by plumeriaI was wondering the exact same thing about the Sheriff's ring, Plumeria.
I was re-watching the pilot last night and I noticed that when Valenti is questioning Liz, he has a wedding ring on. Isn't he supposed to be divorced? I haven't noticed -- does he have a ring on in other episodes?
Plus, aren't Max's cells green because Liz adds a green stain to the slide (also during the Pilot)?
LKEVE Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 37
06-08-2000 09:40AM
quote:
Originally posted by StrainOfDestiny
Can someone help me make sense of the conversation in "Crazy" when then gang walks in on Maria and Michael making out in Michael's apartment. Liz said something like, "No Michael, she was really scared. I believed her." Then Michael said, "Let me remind you Liz that you believed her the first time."
When did Liz ever believe anything Topolski said?
I think Michael was referring too how Liz believed she was a guidance counselor
LKEVE Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 37
06-08-2000 09:45AM
quote:
Originally posted by StrainOfDestiny
Can someone help me make sense of the conversation in "Crazy" when then gang walks in on Maria and Michael making out in Michael's apartment. Liz said something like, "No Michael, she was really scared. I believed her." Then Michael said, "Let me remind you Liz that you believed her the first time."
When did Liz ever believe anything Topolski said?
I think Michael is referring to when Liz believed she was a guidance counselor.
By the way does anyone want any dialogue wav. files from Roswell. There's some on aol keyword downloads under i think sci fi shows and then regular tv shows. if you dont have aol i dont think you can go to it but if you post your email address or send it to me ill be happy to send the files
theres one of kyle saying this is none of your business and youre looking at 150 pounds of geco roman varsity football player thats gonna keep it that was or something like that
also: Maria singing on Blind Date- not full song (if you want the full segment she sings i can send that)
1 or two M&M files
i think 1 or 2 liz max files
CKQ Level3 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 190
06-08-2000 10:03 AM
You guys really have me thinking now.
I have a question about Destiny. Liz and Tess are sitting in the Jeep waiting for Tess to make the agents think they are talking to Pierce. Tess says something like "I can manulate anyone in to thinking what I want HER to think." This quote is not exact, but Tess stresses the word HER. So does that mean that she is manulating Liz's mind too? It looks like Liz was caught off guard when she says that too. Did anyone else notice this?
sherbet Level1 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 7
06-08-2000 11:47AM
i don't know if this has been mentioned before but i noticed that there was a sticker on the refidgerator that said "i love Aliens" during the stawberry scene i just thought that it was kinda cool considering the situation and liz's feelings towards Max
sherbet Level1 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 7
06-08-2000 11:49AM
i don't know if this has been mentioned before but i noticed that there was a sticker on the refidgerator that said "i love Aliens" during the stawberry scene i just thought that it was kinda cool that they showed that because of the situation and liz's feelings towards Max
jennspazz Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 149
06-08-2000 12:01PM
I was wondering if anyone else noticed that The Crashdown Cafe only has two waitress? Liz and Maria. I think they need more staff! Considering its such a popular place and all!
StrainOfDestiny Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 114
06-08-2000 12:10 PM
Another waitress can be seen in the background in "Crazy" (behind Isabel)
Cassandra Level3 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 302
06-08-2000 02:06PM
There are other waitresses too, remember "Agnes" from Leaving Normal? I also remember a scene where Liz is expalining her scheduling chart to all the other waitresses.
CKQ Level3 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 194
06-09-2000 04:26 AM
page one we go!
Lameduck Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 31
06-09-2000 08:05AM
I just noticed while rewatching Missing, in the UFO center after Liz gets her journal back and is telling Max what's in it, and that she doesn't want him to read it, there's a sign behind Max that says REAL FACTS.
rocklowery Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 66
06-09-2000 08:35AM
I'm surprised that nobody else has picked up the connection in the "connections." In the visions Max sees when he is healing Liz there is one of her seeing him for the first time, and when he does the reverse connection she sees the same thing, only from his perspective.
ILoveRoswell Level3 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 265
06-09-2000 09:01AM
OK, I posted this like a million years ago, but I think it got lost. In The White Room, when Michael is trying to change his fingerprints, Nasedo puts his watch on the dead guy's face! Just keep looking, it's not the first time he tries. When I noticed I was screaming! I have another thing. In The Morning After, when Topolsky first walks into the classroom, someone says, "Wow, she's on fire!" She dies in a fire. Aw. I also noticed that they got a new actor to play Phillip Evans. I love this thread! Let's keep it on the first page!
~Donna
ILoveRoswell Level3 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 265
06-09-2000 09:08AM
Oh yeah, and I don't think that Kyle will change too much, because he didn't have the reverse connection with Max. Which brings up another very important topic. Max didn't need to rip open Kyle's shirt. Does that mean that Max is a pervert and he just wanted to see Liz without her shirt on? Ha ha ha! (Don't worry, I'm a dreamgirl through and through!) And Max didn't see any flashes from Kyle. He just healed him. If you don't understand me, it's ok, I have my own way of speaking! lol.
~Donna
Nemo Level3 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 372
06-09-2000 10:16 PM
Originally posted by jen_a4
in tess lies and video tape when max is talking to micheal in the bathroom, if you look closely at the garbage can it says decendent. So what does that mean.
I have 3 guesses.
1. When I was in school the old-timers kept warning us that the path of least resistance often leads to trouble, and taught us the Roman proverb for this: Facilis descensus Averno [the easy road leads to Hell]. So when I saw that sign DESCENDENT, in the same episode with all that other stuff about VICE and temptation and those demonic-looking things on the wall at Tess's house, that's the first thing that came to mind: maybe it warns of evil to come. Especially since the sign is on a slant.
2. DESCENDENT is (was?) a rock group that seems to like images of violence. Maybe this hints at the battle on the home planet.
3. AlienMom says Max was the ruler of their people, and it sounds like a family thing, so he's apparently a descendent of the royal line.
Nemo Level3 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 372
06-10-2000 10:44 AM
quote:
Originally posted by jen_a4
in the white room when nasedo says he has four of them to look after it shows michael and he's wearing a top that says 3
Thanks for pointing that out. I think this is another clue that Tess may not be one of the four original characters mentioned by AlienMom, but a later substitute, probably engineered by Nasedo. If this is true, she may not know it yet, and may be badly shaken if she finds out.
[Edited by Nemo on 06-10-2000 at 10:48 AM]
shapeshifter Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 263
06-10-2000 11:22AM
Originally posted by Nemo quote:
Originally posted by jen_a4
in tess lies and video tape when max is talking to micheal in the bathroom, if you look closely at the garbage can it says decendent. So what does that mean.
Well, does anyone know of a garbage can manufacturer that has the word "descendent" in its title? If not, I would suspect that if Max impregnates Tess, his descendents will be wasted.
Nemo Level3 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 372
06-10-2000 10:18 PM
shapeshifter: actually, I think it was the towel dispenser. But your version is funnier.
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 318
06-11-2000 06:48AM
when Michael is trying to change his fingerprints, Nasedo puts his watch on the dead guy's face! Just keep looking, it's not the first time he tries. When I noticed I was screaming
I don't understand what you were screaming about. What's the big deal with the watch?
behrfehr Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 61
06-11-2000 02:28PM
Thank you so much for starting this thread! I never noticied a sign before I read this other than that High volatage in SH. Anywayz, I was rewatchin the vids & I found 3 more signs!!!! Yay! I felt so proud! 1) In Heat Wave when Liz & Maria are talking about Michael & Maria making out, there is a sign that says, "Working together means winning together." 2) In White Room when the aliens leave to rescue Max, there is a sign near the stairs that says "refuge" 3) In Morning After when Liz is talking to Kyle, she leaves suddenly to bump into Ms Topulsky. As Liz leaves we see a sign that says "Live with care, life has no spare."
Ryal Level1 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 32
06-11-2000 02:37PM
What's the matter with this BB? You used to be able to click on a number to get to the page of the thread you want from any other page on the thread. That selection has seemed to disappear.
BYtheSEA Level4 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 583
06-11-2000 03:00PM
Signs, signs, everywhere are signs ...
Re-watching Monsters last night, when Max walks into the UFO Center there is a sign over the door "Where did they come from?"
It's pretty obvious and probably not that important.
Hawn grl Level3 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 110
06-11-2000 03:08 PM
Sorry if I'm going over someone else's idea because I only read the first page and not the rest yet but I just wanted to post my reply. So if someone else brought up this idea I apologize again.
This might not be anything but in The Morning After when Liz and Maria are at their lockers and Maria warns Liz that Kyle Valenti is walking towards them I noticed that on the inside of Liz's locker there was a sticker or something that spelled WHINE. I'm not sure if the last letter was an E but it sure looked like it was.
Anyway what happens after is that Kyle starts whining to Liz about how people who care for each other should be punctual and actually show up for dates. I'm not sure if that was one of those subtle clues or if I'm just reaching for something. What do you guys think?
shapeshifter Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 263
06-12-2000 10:36PM
My teenage daughter watched with me tonight (at least she'd rather watch a rerun of Roswell that she already saw than a rerun of Ally McBeal that she already saw) and she noticed in the hiding place of the Dome (think Corrie ten Boom) an empty Tabasco Sauce bottle.
LindaBB Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 202
06-13-2000 12:58AM
Tonight watching 285 south, I noticed when Kyle and his dad/sheriff were talking about the kids, after his phone calls trying to track down Liz...there's a very large sign behind Kyle that says..."Don't miss this!"... the conversation was important? the imformation was important? OR just a sign? :-)
Miss Roswell Level3 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 330
06-13-2000 04:15AM
When I rewatched 285 South last night, I noticed (I don't know if it had any significance or ont) but when they were at the dome, and it showed that Chrysler symbol in the roof of it. Remember that symbol that Howie D. had in Destiny?????
That could mean that Atherton was a bad alien???/
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 318
06-13-2000 04:54AM
After re-watching Four Square on tape and 285S last night, I saw a couple more things...
4-S: That "High Voltage" sign that someone noticed in M&M's makeout scene is now in Michael's apartment -- it was visible behind him when he sees Tess breathe on the window.
I also noticed that the newspaper clippings that are featured in the theme song/opening credits are actually hanging on the walls of the Crashdown.
When Liz follows Tess into the bathroom, I noticed it said "Women". When I was in h.s. they said "girls"; we didn't get "women" until college. Those of you still in hs -- has this changed? Also, there was a poster on the bathroom door that said something like "You Will Never ..." but I couldn't read the rest of it. Did someone else see?
In 285 S: As Maria pulls into the gas station/UPS office to mail her box, I noticed that there's a filthy sign that says "clean". I thought that was funny.
I also noticed, as the agent is first pulling out after M,I&L, that there wasn't any front license plate. Here in PA we only have 1 plate, rear -- is this true in NM also? Or was that a blooper?
Maria's car has a Saturn sticker on the back of the rear-view mirror, which was clearly visible every time you saw Michael driving. It also had an alien head on the antenna.
GraceKel Level4 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 718
06-14-2000 09:24PM
Plumeria I also noticed in Four Square the high voltage sign but what stuck out the most with me was the word "DANGER" High Voltage. I noticed you had questions about this ep and I just want to weigh in with my opinion that Tess was in fact at Michaels window but she did plant that vision about the PuLman Ranch (I forgot how to spell it)---later in the episode Max says are you sure Nasedo didn't---Michael interupts "I had a flash you're not the only one who gets them" getting all defensive but I believe this is very telling---I believe Tess planted all those visions about the pods---Isabel's hair is longer in the flash than it actually was when it really happened and eventually I believe she will remember it.
asdf Level4 Registered: Nov 1999 Posts: 513
06-15-2000 09:21 AM
After rewatching Destiny, I noticed that whenever Isabel dreamwalks someone, she always has a picture of them (Maria/Alex-high school yearbook, Max-basketball photo)
However when she dreamwalks Pierce she doesn't have one.
Inconsistency of the writers? I think the impression was that Isabel needed something to touch or a picture of that particular person in order to get into their minds. But not so with Pierce.
asdf Level4 Registered: Nov 1999 Posts: 513
06-15-2000 10:18 AM
I forgot to add one, those this is more like a blooper.
At the end of Destiny when Nasedo shapeshifts into Pierce, Max says the other agents are at an abandoned gas station in Hondo.
But there is only one agent there! The other agent is still locked in the Valenti's closet! What are they going to do with him?
Just another minor blooper.
huggybehr Level2 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 86
06-15-2000 11:57 AM
Sorry if this has already been pointed out, but I noticed in 'Blind Date' Michael points to a symbol on the map, and says Nasedo left this symbol for us outside the cave. But, the symbol he points at is the one he and Isobel leave outside the library, not the one from 'Into the Woods'.
behrfehr Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 61
06-15-2000 05:58PM
Hey guys! I found another sign!! Yay! >still feels proud< I was rewatchin the vids and in 285 South, in Kyles room when him & his dad are talking about the girls, as valenti leaves, you see a sign that says "pawns". Hmmm............what do you guys think that means?
Lindy Level2 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 63
06-15-2000 08:42PM
OK! I have just finished reading all 5 pages of this thread to see if a question I have has been asked and or discussed. I didn't see it, so here goes. In Sexual Healing where Michael and Maria are making out near the bleachers and Maria "fakes" the vision, you can hear voices in the background. I know it's supposed to be other kids outside , but I heard Maria's name loud and clear. Does anyone know what was said?
Phaedra Level3 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 135
06-15-2000 08:48PM
This is my first post, so I hope I do it right! Just rewatched the Pilot and Morning After and noticed some new things. I'm not sure if anyone else has written about these - if so - apologies.
In the Pilot, in the first few seconds of the opening scene, there is definitely a V in the stars. Have I completely forgotten astronomy, or wouldn't the stars change positions as the season progressed?
I find it amusing that Roswell High is the home of the Comets.
In the Morning After, when Ms. Topolsky stops taking role she says turn to page 228. Now, given the green grass outside, I'm assuming it's fairly early in the school year. So how could they already be to page 228? I've heard of magnet courses, but this takes the cake!
Other weird things about the school: Liz's locker is on the first floor, but when she's blowing off Kyle, the room closest to her is 305. Shouldn't the room numbers start with a one on the first floor? How is it that Kyle is the student athlete of the year when he's only a sophomore? To be able to see into Topolsky's office, Max removed a panel in the second floor eraser room. The grate opening seems to be almost half way up the eraser room wall, but in Topolsky's office, the grate is at ceiling level. I guess the second floor is more of a split level. Does that make any sense?
When Michael broke into Valenti's office, he pulled out at least 3 empty file drawers. But the FBI only loaded 2 boxes into their trunk. Also, weren't they just supposed to remove alien/paranormal files? If so, I could see only having two boxes of files, but that doesn't make sense with the 3 empty file drawers.
Also, don't you find it strange that Valenti didn't hear Max and Michael crash into the dumpster when they jumped from Valenti's office window? If Valenti didn't hear anything, that must be some pane of glass! One I wouldn't mind having around when the garbage is picked up at 5 a.m. LOL!
I know, I know. This seems picky! But with everyone's wonderful posts to this thread, I can't seem to stop myself. I agree with Nemo about liking this game of finding connections, but I didn't realize it would be so addictive.
Maybe someone should post a warning about this thread: Will Cause Extreem Wear to Your VCR. Thanks to everyone for the lovely, informative posts.
BYtheSEA Level4 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 583
06-15-2000 10:27PM
Originally posted by PhaedraOK, this may be a bit of a stretch. After watching that scene many times (I don't know what it is about it but I like that shot of them jumping), when they land in the dumpster, there is a quick cut to the sheriff as he is raising (or lowering?) the metal venetian blinds and it makes a sound (metal blinds can be quite noisy) that covered up the sound Max and Michael made when they landed. Maybe?
Also, don't you find it strange that Valenti didn't hear Max and Michael crash into the dumpster when they jumped from Valenti's office window? If Valenti didn't hear anything, that must be some pane of glass! One I wouldn't mind having around when the garbage is picked up at 5 a.m. LOL!
Dark Ilk Level3 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 115
06-15-2000 10:51 PM
Does anyone find this ironic?
In the credits, towards the end of the music, Max seems to move away from the window and fade into the background... away from Liz. Yet in the season finale, Liz is the one who turns away from him.....
Ouch, just thinking about it already hurts.... I hope they get b.... strike that thought.... I KNOW they will get back together next season come hail or high water!!
Phaedra Level3 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 135
06-16-2000 04:37AM
OK, this may be a bit of a stretch. After watching that scene many times (I don't know what it is about it but I like that shot of them jumping), when they land in the dumpster, there is a quick cut to the sheriff as he is raising (or lowering?) the metal venetian blinds and it makes a sound (metal blinds can be quite noisy) that covered up the sound Max and Michael made when they landed. Maybe?
OK - I guess I can buy that!
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 318
06-16-2000 05:00AM
Welcome Phaedra!
I, too, noticed the V formation in the Pilot (in fact, that's why I started this thread!) -- but while the relative positions of constellations change in the sky over a season, the constellations themselves usually stay intact for ages. All those constellations we admire now (big dipper, Orion, etc) were actually noted and named thousands of years ago, after all...
I'm not sure about the arrangement of the highschool. I actually pictured that it was all one floor -- you never see people on stairs, and the overall pans of the school look a lot like my hs in CA, which was 1 floor. The different wings had different numbers (i.e. 200 wing, 300 wing) in my school, so it would be possible to have room 308 on the ground. But that doesn't solve the Topolsky/Eraser room dilemma, does it? Hmmm.
Michael only looks through the stuff in Valenti's desk. But I think Valenti had at least 1 tall 4-drawer cabinet over by the wall in his office, so that would account for the extra boxes the agents took out.
I, too, wondered about that noise, although, like BytheSea, I supposed that the noise of the blinds covered it (but it would be a stretch). I guess when the sheriff found the window bars still locked, he didn't think to pursue things further and just disregarded any possible noise he heard?
Good observation about it being Sept. and yet the geometry class was on pg 228! I didn't notice that! But I think it _might_ be possible for Kyle to be athlete of the month as a soph -- if he was really that good as a soph, why not?
asdf Level4 Registered: Nov 1999 Posts: 513
06-16-2000 06:23 AM
After watching the Pilot and other episode again, I've noticed that the jeep is different than it was in the beginning!
First of all the first few episodes, the jeep does not have that bar that seperates the front passengers from the back passengers. It is just wide open space. However in later episodes they have a bar running up the sides (presumably to keep the top on when its up) In 285 South, Liz gets into the car and uses the bar to hoist herself in. But previously there was no bar.
Does that make sense?
Megos Level1 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 1
06-16-2000 06:47 AM
I have been reading this for a couple of weeks to see if anything was mentioned about the Pilot which was on about three weeks ago. Since I haven't seen anything about it - I'll point it out.They added a sentence to Liz's voiceover when she was sitting on the bleachers talking about when this happens to her it's with an alien. She also states something to the effect that when Max healed her - he changed her. I know this was not on the original pilot because I went back and checked - so I presume that they added this with the idea of making something out of it next season. If someone has taped the pilot from a couple of weeks ago check it out an let us know. It was over in a second and I missed the exact words but I knew as soon as it was said that it wasn't in the original. However, because no-one else has mentioned it I am beginning to wonder if I heard right.
Miss Roswell Level3 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 330
06-16-2000 06:52AM
How about (episode 2, I think) when Max was standing outside of the school by the glass and there was a picture of Kyle, it said "Althete of the Month".
*Maria* Level4 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 526
06-16-2000 06:55AM
Originally posted by Nemo quote:OR...MAYBE it means that he liked the shirt.
Originally posted by jen_a4
Thanks for pointing that out. I think this is another clue that Tess may not be one of the four original characters mentioned by AlienMom, but a later substitute, probably engineered by Nasedo. If this is true, she may not know it yet, and may be badly shaken if she finds out.
in the white room when nasedo says he has four of them to look after it shows michael and he's wearing a top that says 3
[Edited by Nemo on 06-10-2000 at 10:48 AM]
Phaedra Level3 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 135
06-16-2000 07:24AM
Originally posted by plumeriaI'll have to go back and look again, but I distinctly remember Michael looking through the filing cabinets before he looked through Valenti's desk. That's when I noticed he had on gloves and wondered where in the world he got them. Doesn't seem very Michael-like to be that prepared for B&E?
Welcome Phaedra!
Michael only looks through the stuff in Valenti's desk. But I think Valenti had at least 1 tall 4-drawer cabinet over by the wall in his office, so that would account for the extra boxes the agents took out.
Thanks for the welcome!
ALICIAROSWELL Level1 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 31
06-16-2000 09:03AM
I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE POSTED THIS, BUT I NOTICED ON "285 SOUTH", WHEN MARIA GETS OUT OF HER CAR AT THE DROP-OUT STATION, WHILE MICHAEL CHANGES SEATS, YOU CAN SEE A SIGN THAT SAY SOMETHING LIKE "NO STEALING PERMITTED" OR "DO NOT STEAL", SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT, AND HE WAS GETTING READY TO LEAVE WITH HER CAR.
Tasarz Level3 Registered: Jul 1999 Posts: 170
06-16-2000 10:20 AM
Megos- I taped the pilot on May 29, and I also have a tape of the one aired the first Saturday or Sunday after Roswell's premier in October, but I didn't notice any difference. Liz says "Max Evans has put a force on me. It's like my whole life changed in an instant. It's just ironic that when something like this happened, it was with an alien" both times.
huggybehr Level2 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 86
06-16-2000 12:06 PM
Something I noticed whilst re-watching 'Into the Woods'. Rocky Calhoun told the sheriff "I'm not one of these UFO nuts who see aliens behind every tree". Rather ironic in light of Max's comments in 'The Morning after' about "stepping out from behind the tree".
behrfehr Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 61
06-16-2000 01:30PM
Are anyone else's tapes wearing out?? mine are....
Phaedra Level3 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 135
06-16-2000 03:21PM
Originally posted by behrfehrMe too, me too! I wish the WB would put the episodes on DVD!! I'd buy it in a minute - no a second!
Are anyone else's tapes wearing out?? mine are....
Cassandra Level3 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 302
06-16-2000 04:58PM
West Roswell is certainly a unique school! In the pilot Liz tells Kyle that she and Max have to study for their Bio. midterm. Hello? Why would we have midterms in September?
Phaedra Level3 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 135
06-16-2000 05:54PM
Cassandra - re the Bio midterm - maybe Roswell's one of those all year schools? (no, I don't think so, either. I'm reaching!)
I guess the midterm goes with Topolsky teaching page 228 when she was subbing.
BYtheSEA Level4 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 582
06-16-2000 10:37PM
Originally posted by huggybehrI hadn't noticed it, that is odd. Another line repeated by the writers, huh?
Something I noticed whilst re-watching 'Into the Woods'. Rocky Calhoun told the sheriff "I'm not one of these UFO nuts who see aliens behind every tree". Rather ironic in light of Max's comments in 'The Morning after' about "stepping out from behind the tree".
And later in Into The Woods, the sheriff is following Max and Isabel through the woods, lurking behind trees ... hmmm ...
jen_a4 Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 40
06-17-2000 07:59AM
Ok something i noticed! Ok in Max2Max when Liz asks why Nasedo needs her he says she's his hostage and what not. N/e ways after that he says something like "You come come in real handy in terms of MY survival. So what now he doesn't care about the other aliens? I have a feeling that Nasedo is someone bad. Like try this. In order to get back to his homeplanet he needs info. That info is inside max's head. So the only reason why he saved him was to get that info. Tess is part of the plan too. Or he could have tricked her too. All i want is for Tess to leave or stay and stop with the whole destiny crap! I mean can't she see what right in front of HER eyes! I mean true love! Let me know what ya think! Jen ( A HUGE FAN )
GraceKel Level4 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 718
06-17-2000 07:31PM
Hi Jen_a4 haven't seen you posting much lately-good to have you on the threads again. Well I definitely agree with you that I do not believe that Mr Harding(not even sure if he truly is Nasedo) is a good egg, definitely ulterior motives there, and he did mention something to Michael about these are things you have to do if you want to get back home or something---so who knows maybe!
Jen_A4 were you the one on another thread who said a source told you that Tess wraps up in a couple of eps next season-they never intended her to be perm character and that Liz and Max cannot stand being aprt so they get back together? WOW I SURE HOPE SO? If you were the one how did you know this?
LadyJ Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 320
06-17-2000 07:37PM
Originally posted by BYtheSEA quote:Don't forget Michael standing behind a tree watching the Evans playing basketball.Originally posted by huggybehr Something I noticed whilst re-watching 'Into the Woods'. Rocky Calhoun told the sheriff "I'm not one of these UFO nuts who see aliens behind every tree". Rather ironic in light of Max's comments in 'The Morning after' about "stepping out from behind the tree".
I hadn't noticed it, that is odd. Another line repeated by the writers, huh?
And later in Into The Woods, the sheriff is following Max and Isabel through the woods, lurking behind trees ... hmmm ...
cHerRy CoKE Level1 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 43
06-17-2000 08:42PM
hey, it's my first time posting on this thread. but i've been a lurker. and this has been one of my fav. threads. well, the other day when i was re-watching THE MORNING AFTER. i noticed something, you know at the beginning when max is sleeping and then he hears something at his window and it's michael, well when they are talking, behind michael is a board with papers that are up. well there's one that the top it says:
CAPTIAN
well, max (as we found out in the SF) is the leader. Hm..? kinda the same?
Gigi21 Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 163
06-17-2000 11:29 PM
OK first off I just wanted to try this "BUMP" thing.
second- I didn't have time to read all 6pages of this thread, so for give me if someone has already mentioned this before.
Alright, did anyone notice in "Destiny" after Max and Liz jumped off the bridge the next scene was of them running through the tunnel(or whatever you call them) But if you just got out of the river/lake how come they weren't soaken wet. Liz's hair was all dry, and so were their clothes. I don't get it, how much time passed? Just wondering
BYtheSEA Level4 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 582
06-18-2000 01:35AM
Originally posted by LadyJI forgot about that.
Don't forget Michael standing behind a tree watching the Evans playing basketball.
What about in Missing when Max and Liz are running out of the sheriff's home, there is someone in the shadows behind a tree. I always thought it was a FBI agent, but maybe not. Hmmm ...
Did anyone else notice that the DJ from Blind Date was used in the Pilot? The first shot of the taco stand (where Max, Isabel and Michael are eating) you can hear a radio and it sure sounds like the same guy.
Oh, and another thing, in Heat Wave when Alex and Liz are walking out of the sheriff's office they pass a car that looks like the same one Michael was resting on in Sexual Healing. (Although, I'm not positive it is the same one because I didn't check my tapes.)
OK, one last thing, in The Balance there is a poster on Max's wall that is very interesting. When he is standing by his closet, you can see a poster with cartoonish characters in an operating room. After what happened to him in White Room, I wonder if he will get rid of that one?
behrfehr Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 61
06-18-2000 11:43PM
Guys! I found another sign! That's # 5 for me! =) I had nothing to do so I figured, let's watch 285 S! Anywayz, when the agent calls Topolsky to tell her that they left the crashdown, we see very slighty behind her head a diamond shaped sign that says "Learning Zone." i guess we were supposed to figure out that Topolsky isn't who she says she is then. Even though it IS a little obvious but still...it's there!
Dark Ilk Level3 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 115
06-19-2000 03:23 AM
Okie... this doesn't make sense.... was rewatching The Balance the other day and realised an inconsistency....
In the whole season, I never recalled Max wearing sunglasses right? I mean, why would the writers want to hide his BEAUTIFUL, beautiful eyes right? LOL!! Okie, okie, back to the subject...
Anyway, right after Alex and Iz's tiff in the museum, the scene switches over to when Max and Milton rush over to Michael. When Michael opens his eyes to look at Max, we know his eyes are turning milky and Max tells him to close them....
This is my question: where did Max get the sunglasses to put on Michael? He doesn't wear sunglasses... I certainly don't see the need for him to have a pair when working in the Museum.... so does this count for an inconcsistency?!
crzyroswellchic Level3 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 441
06-19-2000 03:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Lindy OK! I have just finished reading all 5 pages of this thread to see if a question I have has been asked and or discussed. I didn't see it, so here goes. In Sexual Healing where Michael and Maria are making out near the bleachers and Maria "fakes" the vision, you can hear voices in the background. I know it's supposed to be other kids outside , but I heard Maria's name loud and clear. Does anyone know what was said?
Lindy, I hear the exact same thing! I'm so glad someone else hears it too. I thought I was going crazy. All I hear is "Maria!" It sounds like it's her mom. But it also sounds like it could be Liz.
crzy
BYtheSEA Level4 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 582
06-19-2000 04:22PM
Originally posted by Dark IlkNot necessarily an inconsistency, but more of a plot device. Actually, Max didn't really need to put them on Michael, as long as he kept his eyes closed.
This is my question: where did Max get the sunglasses to put on Michael? He doesn't wear sunglasses... I certainly don't see the need for him to have a pair when working in the Museum.... so does this count for an inconcsistency?!
Maybe this is the inconsistency, where were the sunglasses the next time you see Michael in the back of the Crashdown? He wasn't wearing them, so where were they? Hmmm ...
Carisma Level2 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 73
06-19-2000 05:18PM
I posted this once before, but I'm posting it again. In Destiny, after a long night of jumping into rivers and almost getting killed, doesen't anyone have to go to the bathroom in the morning. Let me also add, the morning kisses that Max and Liz have, are shared with all that wonderful morning breath. I'm not expecting the show to get all graphic with people going to the bathroom and brushing their teeth in the morning but it was just on my mind.
CARISMA
Carisma Level2 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 73
06-19-2000 05:24PM
I posted this once before, but I'm posting it again. In Destiny, after a long night of jumping into rivers and almost getting killed, doesen't anyone have to go to the bathroom in the morning. Let me also add, the morning kisses that Max and Liz have, are shared with all that wonderful morning breath. I'm not expecting the show to get all graphic with people going to the bathroom and brushing their teeth in the morning but it was just on my mind.
CARISMA
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 317
06-20-2000 04:40AM
Something from RiverDog last night:
During the chase scene (where Mi/Is are being chased by Topolsky), you see the jeep skid around a corner from the left and go down the alley, then a second later, you see Topolsky's car skid around the corner from the RIGHT -- wasn't she supposed to be right behind them?
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 317
06-20-2000 04:40AM
Something from RiverDog last night:
During the chase scene (where Mi/Is are being chased by Topolsky), you see the jeep skid around a corner from the left and go down the alley, then a second later, you see Topolsky's car skid around the corner from the RIGHT -- wasn't she supposed to be right behind them?
Also, I can't remember, but it seemed like Valenti's truck (seen when he pulls Topolsky over) wasn't the same color as it was in Destiny.
shapeshifter Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 263
06-20-2000 07:23AM
*Warning* This post might be politically incorrect. Anyway: How come Riverdog has blue eyes? In fact, none of the folks from the reservation look indigenous to me...European, Middle Eastern, Far Eastern...yea, all of those, but I guess there aren't too many North Americans in Hollywood or Covina, California.
behrfehr Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 61
06-20-2000 04:35PM
Guys! I watched River Dog this morning and I found 3 more signs in the background!! That's a tottal of 8 signs that I have found!! YaY! >feels all proud< but where did my life go? Anywayz, here they are: 1) In Topolsky's office, you see the same sign that I pointed out in Heat Wave that says "working together means winning together". It's the poster with people white water rafting. 2) Also in Topolsky's office, is another sign that says, "you can't choose your circumstances, you can choose to overcome them." 3) When Michael and Maria are finished kissing, you see a sign in the background that says, "tell us the truth!" I think this means that they should tell us how they really feal about each other. Well, I'll keep hunting more signs! What else am I going to do this summer? It's good for my roswell fix since we're now in re-run hell!
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 317
06-21-2000 04:57AM
I'm not sure about the significance of the signs in Topolsky's office, but I like the "Tell the truth" observation! I, too, have started watching for signs, but I didn't see any in this ep -- you have good eyes!
One thing I did note -- during the theme song, when they show Michael looking in the Crashdown window, he's looking in where the Open/Closed placard is. Presumably this is just because the place is open, but looking from the back, you see "closed" and Michael's face. (I'm not being very clear, am I?) Anyway, even though it's probably just coincidence, I thought it was still interesting, considering how "closed" Michael usually is.
Someone on the Sci-Fi of RD pointed out those blue eyes, too. Not sure how to explain that, except maybe he's not 100% native? Also, I think that as people age, they lose some pigmentation.
Phaedra Level3 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 135
06-21-2000 05:28AM
This is more of an observation that hit me as I was following a Chrysler to work.
You know how the 5 stars make a V? Well, bring the top two in and you can make the Chrysler outline, which we saw at Atherton's house and on the evil aliens' orbs. Also, the actual Chrysler symbol is made of 5 triangles. 5 stars, 5 triangles.
Interesting, hmmm?
[Edited by Phaedra on 06-21-2000 at 05:31 AM]
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 317
06-22-2000 04:23AM
bump!
We can't have found ALL the little details already have we?
estherterrestrial Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 29
06-22-2000 07:03 AM
Well, here's another little detail: I watched "Heat Wave" for the first time last night, and I noticed that in the bathroom scene with Max and Michael, Max makes a big production out of washing his hands and Michael doesn't even think about it. Seems to fit with the characters pretty well, doesn't it?
CIL Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 19
06-23-2000 04:36AM
I was just wondering if anyone noticed a actress play two different parts in the Roswell series. I could swear that this actress was a nurse and then a sort of messagelady for the highschool. Was just curious wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong.
BehrNut Level1 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 33
06-23-2000 09:39AM
One thing that I noticed in Destiny that sort of bugged me is that Max and Isabel never had "reuniting" moment and they rescued him. She gave him the clothes in the car and the next time they saw each other it was at the underground area and they never hugged or anything! As close as they are, I was really surprised that the writers forgot that! Actually the only person that he had any emotional interaction with was Liz!!
jen_a4 Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 40
06-23-2000 01:43PM
Ok you peoples, I've figured it out!!!! Ok, in The Morning After, in the first scene when liz is looking at the stars, you see the v formation. Ok but if you look closely it looks like this * ** * * *
Ok it's kinda like that. Except the second on the right side is more under it. Anyways, were assuming that the * represent the pod squad, tess and nasedo. But what it that second star moving in there was liz. You now what i mean. What if she pushed Tess aside after the connection with max. It's got to be pretty good. I mean max and liz have said it a number of times "it feels like my life didn't start until that day in the crashdown" She started his life, and he started hers. Its pretty cool i think. It would explain a lot. Well tell me what ya think! Jen ( A HUGE FAN )
Mimi Level3 Registered: Nov 1999 Posts: 379
06-23-2000 02:05PM
Originally posted by plumeriayou're so right, I never noticed that before!
...you see "closed" and Michael's face. ...it was still interesting, considering how "closed" Michael usually is.
quote:
Someone on the Sci-Fi of RD pointed out those blue eyes, too. Not sure how to explain that, except maybe he's not 100% native? Also, I think that as people age, they lose some pigmentation.
I agree. My roommate is native american, also with blue eyes. She tells me "pure" native americans are rare, if any.
Missthang05 Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 128
06-23-2000 02:48PM
I don't know if this was previously said, but if it was, you have my apologies. In INTO THE WOODS, was there a handprint on River Dog's ankle when Michael healed it or did they not show that? And if I remember correctly in the Pilot, Max said that Liz had to look at him in order for him to heal her. I doooooon't recall River Dog looking at Michael...am I reading into this too much?
~*~*~*Miss Thang*~*~*~
bluecornmoon Level2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 79
06-25-2000 05:12PM
Two things: 1. The entire conversation between Beavis and Buthead (Pilot) is: "We got to get rid of her" and then "I want to kill her in the worst way but I want to see the money on the table first". I won't be surprised if sometime in the future we see the same scene, only from Max' point of view, when they (M/L) start putting things together as to why she can do whatever it is that she is going to be able to do to help them! and Max remembers (scans) the scene from memory! 2. This doesn't mean a thing - only a cute recycling of props: Max wears the same outfit (shiny mechanic overall) in Maria's dream (Monsters) and as the flyer passing alien (The Convention).
GraceKel Level4 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 718
06-25-2000 05:23PM
Okay I noticed another sign and was curious as to why they showed it a few times in the WHITE ROOM episode. The sign behind Pierce when he is talking to the SHERIFF about his life and Kyle is "ALCOHOL, IT CAN WRECK YOUR LIFE" so I for some reason originally thought that next season Kyle who may not know that his life had been saved by Max may continue to resent Max because now his father has become close to Max and he might take to the ALCOHOL but then I remembered in BLIND DATE how Kyle says to Max, "TAKE A SIP,WHATS IT GOING TO KILL YOU?" Maybe since it took so little alcohol for Max to become drunk, more would be lethal to the aliens, maybe this is how they die? I don't know just something to ponder.
Roswellfreak Level2 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 55
06-25-2000 07:49PM
Hey everyone. I have noticed something too. In the episode crazy when Valenti is watching the news reporter. She says at the end, "This is Thania St. John reporting. Has anyone else noticed in the credits that she is like an assistant producer or something like that. I noticed that right away when she said her name. I watch the episodes inside and out!
Morgan
Nicole488 Level3 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 183
06-25-2000 08:13PM
I like the old Crashdown much better. Much more light gets let in, I guess it's more "happy" so to speak.
That V formation is everywhere. In the "Balance" not only is that formation is Michael's hallucinations, but the episode ends with it when Max leaves Liz on her balcony. The camera pans the sky and we can see it.
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 317
06-26-2000 04:24AM
Yes, my point exactly, Nicole -- that V formation has been in place for ages, yet in 4-Sq, when Max and Liz are looking at the computer constellations, they say it's been around only since April....
Also, MissThang, I wondered, too if there was a handprint on RD's ankle. Maybe Liz had to look at Max because of the seriousness of the injury? After all, it didn't seem like Max stared deeply at Michael when he took away the black eye. And they can manipulate plenty of inanimate things (art, ketchup bottles, door locks, etc)...
ColinsChica Level1 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 5
06-26-2000 08:01AM
You guys kill me I think I read every page and I want to tell ya a few things I noticed
Okay first the one sign that I thought was a give away was when Valenti gives Max the orb back at the UFO center the sign that they are standing under says Trust No One and Valenti looks at it and says "You have to trust someone sometime" (or something like that) Maybe the show was trying to give us a nudge or hint to look for the signs??(Maybe)
Anywho this other little detail has been driving me crazy okay Valenti gets a call at home to turn the channel and look at the report from Bethesda Maryland about the fire (Okay I don't know about you but other than CNN we don't hear reports all the way from the other coast in detail, things like fires happen everyday all over the place). I don't know why but it bugged me..
Okay one last thing everyone has been hinting that Liz might be a little different now I was just thinking what if Tess was making them see her as the last of the four (Hey I can see her being a bad alien) but in reality it was Liz all along (hey he loved her since the first time he saw her how many 6 year old boys do you know who are into girls like that??)And her parents adopted her and never told her (Just guessing)?? Okay who knows but if she is Max's long lost bride wouldn't that be wild??
Thoughts?? Colinschica..
pixiedude Level1 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 30
06-27-2000 12:28AM
quote:
Originally posted by behrfehr Guys! I found another sign! That's # 5 for me! =) I had nothing to do so I figured, let's watch 285 S! Anywayz, when the agent calls Topolsky to tell her that they left the crashdown, we see very slighty behind her head a diamond shaped sign that says "Learning Zone." i guess we were supposed to figure out that Topolsky isn't who she says she is then. Even though it IS a little obvious but still...it's there!
(reply) I saw that same sign tonight, in Blood Brothers. It was behind Liz when she was in the hallway, keeping Topolsky out of her office while Alex hacked her G3 Powerbook (I'm a Mac-head; I noticed the Apple). I took it to mean that Alex was learning that Topolsky was a fed.
The other sign I noticed tonight was inside Topolsky's office, right before she walked in on Alex. It said "FUTURE" in big letters, and something else that was less readable. Does anyone else know what it says?
I remember the "YOU CAN CHOOSE" sign being in Topolsky's apartment or hotel room, above and behind her as she did tai chi. It was right around the time her boss called and started yelling at her, saying it was "my project, not our project." I took this to foreshadow her decision to side with the aliens in Crazy, but I probably wouldn't have noticed it if I hadn't already seen Crazy.
jen_a4 Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 40
06-27-2000 08:13AM
Ok you, i don't know if this has been said before, but something that i noticed never got answered was: Why did Tess have all those pics of Max. You know the ones in TLV. I think there is something more with that. I don't understand why she has like 1000 pics of him. SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME! JEN ( A HUGE FAN )
BYtheSEA Level4 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 582
06-27-2000 04:39PM
I noticed in Blood Brothers a sign "there is no spare" (or something like that) as Topolsky and Liz first walked into the hall.
virgogurl Level5 Registered: Nov 1999 Posts: 1145
06-27-2000 04:55PM
Hey guys!! I noticed something in the pilot. Ok, you know when Maria is walking over to "beavis and butthead"? Well, she has the coffee pot in one hand, and when she asks them if they want a refill, she puts her hand on the pot!! Now i know anyone with ANY common sense DOES NOT put their hand on a coffee pot. And then when her and liz are walking back after liz gives the tourists the alien pictures, and when maria says "you are so bad, girl" she also has her hand on the pot. Go look, its REALLY obvious.
smiles150 Level3 Registered: Feb 2000 Posts: 425
06-27-2000 05:39PM
I don't know if anyone posted this sign or not but in BB at the very end when Liz and Alex are talking and Ginny Owens is playing in the background there is a sing that says either "you can't communicate" or "you can communicate". did anyone see this?
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 317
06-27-2000 06:03PM
I didn't remember that Alex was forming his band in BB. I don't have BD on tape anymore ... can someone look to see if any of those buddies who were sitting with him while they were forming the band actually made it into the band?
Nemo Level3 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 372
06-27-2000 06:16 PM
Originally posted by jen_a4Two guesses: 1. Tess wanted the pictures and Harding/Nasedo went along with it.
Why did Tess have all those pics of Max.
2. H. needed the pictures to help him prepare to impersonate Max. He expects Liz won't be fooled unless his Max imitation is very good.
bluecornmoon Level2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 79
06-27-2000 07:21PM
Plumeria: funny you requested info on the band because I made it a point to look the other day: guess what? none of them made it. I think it's because they got actors who looked nerdy and "The Wits" are really musicians. Maria sounded awfully nice in Blind Date! LOL!
shapeshifter Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 263
06-27-2000 07:24PM
Last night rewatching BB, my daughter and I were really bugged (again) that Alex & Liz are wearing the same lipstick & makeup!
GraceKel Level4 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 718
06-27-2000 07:25PM
Nemo how do you explain Isabel having long hair in the (what I think are forced visions by Tess---and she needed to see pics of Isabel and Max when children from Mrs Evans but logically was only shown pics with Isabel with long hair) but right from the Pilot and all the way through at least into Balance ep we see Isabel with short hair---do you honestly believe that this is just an inconsistency in the story because they are sloppy? In the Pod Chamber Isabel says, "NO I DON'T BELIEVE THIS, THIS ISN'T RIGHT!" The look Tess gave her when she left to me was like oh she didn't buy it.
Mimi Level3 Registered: Nov 1999 Posts: 379
06-27-2000 07:55PM
Originally posted by GraceKelI honestly hope that the inconsistency between Balance and Four Square wasn't due to a writer's flop. And when Isabel reacted the way she did when she received a flash from inside the cave in the beginning of Max to the Max, I was like "yes! Tess really did plant the entire breaking out of the pod saga at the end of TL&VT!". But then it really disturbed me Max seemed to completely trust his hallucination. so I'm in a rut.
...right from the Pilot and all the way through at least into Balance ep we see Isabel with short hair---do you honestly believe that this is just an inconsistency in the story because they are sloppy? In the Pod Chamber Isabel says, "NO I DON'T BELIEVE THIS, THIS ISN'T RIGHT!" ...
Originally posted by RoswellFreakGood eye! This was actually brought up in fanforum when the episode originally ran, and somebody clarified that it was actually Thania St. John herself that played that part.
Hey everyone. I have noticed something too. In the episode crazy when Valenti is watching the news reporter. She says at the end, "This is Thania St. John reporting. Has anyone else noticed in the credits that she is like an assistant producer or something like that. I noticed that right away when she said her name. I watch the episodes inside and out!
rocklowery Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 66
06-27-2000 08:34PM
Just a little giggle for you, in SH when Maria shows up at Michael's place and he invites her to sit down, there is a poster behind him that says "Stand."
Also,has anyone pointed out that when Max and Liz enter the Crashdown at the end of SH holding hands, they pause for a moment after forming the V shape. Another V sighting!
Gigi21 Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 163
06-27-2000 09:02 PM
OK this is no biggie but here it goes. In the Pilot, at the Crashdown Valenti see Maria sniffing something and Maria tells him it's cypress oil, to calm her nerves(relax) then in The Morning After Liz tell Maria to sniff some Cedar. I don't get it..... is it cypress or cedar? which one is it?
Nemo Level3 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 372
06-27-2000 11:15 PM
GraceKel, about Isabel's long hair vs. short hair: I am inclined to think that this is a clue that that vision has been tampered with and is not to be trusted. But I really don't know. I would like to think that the show's creators would not make such an inconsistency by accident, so for the time being, I am assuming they had a reason for it.
heifertipper Level2 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 56
06-27-2000 11:46PM
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this before, but has anyone noticed that Max's teeth are crooked in the Pilot and almost completly straight in "The Morning After" Its kinda a stupid observation but it is definately noticeable. He must have had an awesome orthodontist to get them fixed that fast. And another thing, Rocklowery the poster does not say stand, it says Staind, which is a rock band. He also has a poster of Metallica.
Katie14808 Level2 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 52
06-28-2000 12:01 AM
I have caught so many things, and I thought it was my imagination! lol. I am so glad I am not the only one!
Katie
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 317
06-28-2000 04:27AM
Has anyone noticed, in the closeups of Max, that he has an earring hole in his left ear? My darling husband (who usually just rolls his eyes at my Roswell addiction) got me the "Meet the Stars of Roswell" book as an early birthday present. In a couple of the pics, Jason is wearing an earring. I never noticed the mark in his ear during the show, though.
jen_a4 Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 40
06-28-2000 07:45AM
Ok, we are all going to feel really stupid for not noticing this. But ok when Max and Liz actually had a real conversation, and like in a way met for the first time and Max save her life, it was the day of the crash! That is soooooo cool. Maybe there is something we're not catching. Jen ( A HUGE FAN )
rocklowery Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 66
06-28-2000 08:45AM
Thanks for the correction, that's what happens when you don't wear your glasses!
wb fan Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 386
06-28-2000 09:40 AM
This isn't a biggie, but rewatching BB on Monday, the paramedic says something about a "..year old in an MVA..." MVA standard for multiple vehicle accident. Max and Liz were in a single vehicle accident. They need to get with some medical advisors if they are going to spew out medical terms!!
jen_a4 Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 40
06-28-2000 11:45AM
No one has responded to my observation. I mean it has to mean something. Max, saving Liz's life the day of the crash. Also I read the cut scenes from Destiny when Liz and Tess are talking, and i think they cut them cause it would make Tess seem like she actually had feeling. I mean no offense to Tess fans but I think there is a reason why 90% of us hate her. And it's because that's what the writers wanted. Well, will someone please help me out on my observation!!!! Jen
cHerRy CoKE Level1 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 43
06-28-2000 02:14PM
Originally posted by BYtheSEAi noticed that too.. but in The Morning After when Kyle tries to talk to Liz.. Liz she sees Topolsky and they show Kyle standing there by himself. and the poster says something like:
I noticed in Blood Brothers a sign "there is no spare" (or something like that) as Topolsky and Liz first walked into the hall.
"... life has no spare"
i forget the first part right now. hehe
shapeshifter Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 263
06-28-2000 02:18PM
jen04, you mean it was the anniversary of the crash?
Longhair/shortHair: I thought it was pretty odd that they emerged from the pods with different hair lengths at all. It took genetic engineering to a new level of gender differentiation. (Though I realized this was to avoid confusing the audience)
cHerRy CoKE Level1 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 43
06-28-2000 02:21PM
oh! and i forgot to say.. that in Blood Brother.. when Alex is in the bathroom (i think), and cleaning up..his..nose. when he leaves.. there's a poster (or something) and says something bout "drugs" being not cool. and liz tells alex that max and them are taking drugs.. not much but.. just something i noticed.
and i noticed like two more things.. but i don't remember.. i'll have to watch my tape over!
Robinlol Level2 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 56
06-28-2000 02:25PM
Ok, i've noticed a couple of things...in the pilot the sheriff and all the other policemen's badges are the star of david, but in all the other episodes it's just a regular star. And about the subtle signs in the background..in Blind Date when Max is sitting on the roof there is a sign behind him that says "night on the town" which i thought was cute!
Liz&Max ARE Roswell Level3 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 137
06-28-2000 02:38 PM
Originally posted by jen_a4He didn't. The supposed crashed occured on July 4, 1947. Max saved Liz on September 18th or 19th...
No one has responded to my observation. I mean it has to mean something. Max, saving Liz's life the day of the crash. Jen
[Edited by Liz&Max ARE Roswell on 06-28-2000 at 02:41 PM]
Robinlol Level2 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 56
06-28-2000 03:10PM
In morning after when topolsky first shows up, she's substituting for a geometry class, i'm about to start ninth grade and i'll be taking geometry, but in blood brothers(i think) max says he has to study for a trigonometry test, correct me if i'm wrong but you don't take trigonometry in 10th grade! Especially the same year you take geometry. Also in the pilot after max lets liz see his past, she says "I didn't just see what he saw, i felt what he felt, when he saw me, and in his eyes i was beautiful," then in SH when Liz is about to go to gym and max is in the locker room, he says something like "i felt what you felt when you saw me, and i didn't think anybody could ever feel that way about me" i thought it was cool that they feel the exact same way. And also in Destiny when max is talking to sheriff vallenti, right after they got out of the sheriffs car, Max's shirt is on backwards! You can see the little indentions of the tags. Just thought i'd point that out.
GraceKel Level4 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 718
06-28-2000 03:15PM
Jen_A4 I think I see what you are getting at that Liz and Max talk at the end of the PILOT at the CRASH FESTIVAL in which they are similating a CRASH of the aliens is that right? Good point!
Have you also noticed that the actual crash was on July 4 1947 which also happens to be the date of Mr HUBBLES birth and in UFO CONVENTION he tells kissing his wife is just like the FOURTH OF JULY! Do you think that is significant?
virgogurl Level5 Registered: Nov 1999 Posts: 1145
06-28-2000 03:19PM
Robinlol: Good catch! The only thing is, the whole Liz/Max repeated phrase thing that you mentioned is a little off. What Liz says is "I could feel everything he was feeling. i could feel his loneliness. For the first tine i was really seeing Max Evans. I saw me as he saw me, and the amazing thing was, in his eyes, i was beautiful". So it isnt the exact thing, but she is implying it, so yeah, i would say that it is basically the same!
They have also used other repeated phrases. Like in 285S when M/M/I are on the bleachers, Isabel says to michael: Have you completely lost it? And then michael says: No, Isabel i've found it....
Then, in Into the Woods, when Maria walks into school with her "Aqua Bra" on, Liz says: Have you lost it? and maria says: No, i've found it babe.
And not to mention the characters wear a lot of the same clothing more than once. Like Max's grey shirts, and Liz's read tanktops. I like when they do that.
I cant believe his shirt is on backwards! I am gonna have to go look for that.
Sun Girl 644 Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 111
06-28-2000 04:54 PM
Bye the way WB fan, MVA stands for MOTOR vehicle accident. Did you also notice at the end of blood brothers when Topolsky said, "If you think you've helped yourselves, you haven't" and then something about how if they get into the wrong hands they will be sorry. When you watched it the first time, you kinda thought she was blowing smoke their butts, but now we know that she really was trying to help them all!! I thought that was kinda cool!!
jen_a4 Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 40
06-28-2000 06:31PM
Yeah see!!! I mean saving Liz on the day of the crash has to mean something! Maybe it has something to do with Hubble! Maybe Liz, really is more important!!! Thanks! to whoever is responding to this. It doesn't seem that important to most people! Hey did anyone notice that Max and Isabel's is a different person in the morning after and then in Sexual Healing. Kinda strange eh? Jen
Dark Ilk Level3 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 115
06-28-2000 09:17 PM
as for the repeat phrases... i think some of the more "classic" ones are:
"piece by piece".... too many times at the end in the torutre scenes... and also by Topolsky in Crazy
"I can't tell you what I don't know"... Tess in M2tM when Michael grabs her off the street... and Max in the WR when Pierce threatens to cut him up....
Any more anyone can think of? I'm a little tapped for now... just woke up...
BYtheSEA Level4 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 582
06-28-2000 10:19PM
Maria talking about Michael - "he's what my mom would call a vibrator..."
Michael talking about Maria - "she's a real vibrator."
jen_a4 Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 40
06-29-2000 11:34AM
Yeah you see now you get it. I mean the day of the crash festival. Like that really does mean something. I posted my theory on the last page of Liz's importance near the bottom. There are two theory's there. The fist one is like way to weird but the second one could have happened. They're just thoughts' though. OHHHHHH MY GOSH!!!!!!!OK I FORGOT ABOUT THIS. OK I WAS READING AN INTERVIEW WITH A WRITER FROM THE SHOW AND A FAN ASKED IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE BREAKING MAX AND LIZ UP, AND HE SAID NOOOOO WE'RE JUST GOING TO THROUGH HUGE OBSTACLES IN THEY'RE WAY!!!! Wahooooooo!!! That was after they did destiny too. SO this is going to be very exciting!!!! HeeHee. We're saved, MaxandLiz fans! Jen
tx_lady Level4 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 641
06-29-2000 02:56PM
Wow - I finally read all 7 pages. I have a couple of things to think about.
When Tess gives people visions - when the vision is finished they seem disoriented or lost some time. Remember when she was with Max in the desert and he "remembered" what really happened. When the "remembering" was over it was daytime again and he had lost time.
Someone also said something about the front window breaking in the pilot (way back on like page 2 or 3 of this thread). I rewatched the pilot last night and it was dishs that got broken - no windows or doors.
This has been wonderful reading and I'm watching everything again to find all the stuff I missed - GREAT THREAD.
KayCM Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 114
06-29-2000 04:31 PM
This is more of a question than an observation. Has anyone else noticed that Topolski was always carrying a mug around with her in any of the scenes set in school? Did someone clearly see what was on the mug, picture or words? Just wondering because she shlepped that thing wherever she went, even in her exit scene at the end of Blood Brother.
[Edited by KayCM on 06-30-2000 at 05:41 AM]
jen_a4 Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 40
06-30-2000 04:11AM
Ok i'm leaving. I going to Winnipeg for like a week and a bit! Good observations. Jen
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 317
06-30-2000 04:12AM
Originally posted by jen_a4 Yeah you see now you get it. I mean the day of the crash festival. Like that really does mean something.
Jen, I don't think Max saved Liz the day of the festival. She was at work, right? So that means it was either after school, or on a weekend. But then we later see them at school, (which would mean the festival would at LEAST have to be the next day), and because of the scenes that flash by when Liz says "it's just so incredible that when something like this did happen, it was with an alien", I'm thinking that actually several days elapsed... Further clues--Liz isn't wearing the same outfit the 2 times she questioned Max (the "Up North" scene and the one where she has a list of questions)
tx_lady Level4 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 641
06-30-2000 10:09AM
This thread is just too good to be on the second or third page so
BUMP
Mimi Level3 Registered: Nov 1999 Posts: 379
06-30-2000 12:30PM
re: repeated phrases
IMHO, I think the phrases "piece by piece" (said by Topolsky, Pierce, Max) and "vibrator" (said by Michael and Maria)were repeated intentionally.
it makes sense that the three says "piece by piece" because they are referring to what Pierce himself said.
The writers probably had both Michael and Maria use "vibrator" to hint at their relationship to come.
heifertipper Level2 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 56
06-30-2000 12:31PM
This may have been mentioned before. In the "Pilot" and "Balance" young Is has very short hair. In "Four Square" her hair is like three or four inches past her shoulder. This may seem like a blooper at first until you think, How fast does hair grow? From "Balance to "Four Square", This is what ten episodes? I have a hard time imagining that a little girl's hair is going to grow that much that fast. I also then checked to see if was the same girl, It is. I don't know about anyone else but I have snail hair, I get about three or four inches a year. This girl's hair had to have grown like ten inches in like six months. There is absolutely no way that this is possible. So what does this imply? Why would the make-up people put a wig on Is when it was not needed... unless it was a clue to a possible Tess lie? Just a thought from someone with obviously too much time on her hands. tipper
fehrbaby Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 10
07-01-2000 03:51AM
Well, this thread needs to live on so I'm bumping and adding something I've noticed!
First, the entire show, they are talking about how Michael can't control his powers or use them very well. He can't heal his own black eye in ID BUT he heal's Riverdog's broken ankle with no problem at all. That was in ITW which happened way before ID.
The hair thing is a very important thing I think. I've noticed that when the mother appears, she says that if they are getting this message, that means that they are alive and well and that it kinda indicates that it is recorded and that she isn't exactly really seeing them. I know I know, she looks at Max and at Isabel but her eyes look glazed over kinda, like she isn't exactly looking at them but recognizing something about them. Also, Liz was in the chamber and the mother never seemed to look directly at tess when she said that she sends with him his young bride. That could be Liz. I know it's a long shot but really, It's been bothering me. She could be just assuming that the four are there. Plus, in Ballance, Max is essentially telling Liz that he and Isabel came out of the pods together and they could sense someone else was out there (Michael) but in the vision Max has with Tess, it shows that Michael is with them and they SEE each other. How could that be if they only sensed that someone else was out there? This only adds to the notion that the pod scene is generated. They seemed to remember enough about it in the beginning to know if there was another person stuck in a pod (Tess.) I know, I'm rambling but it's almost four in the morning here so I'm a little tired.
Another thing I noticed, even though I can't remember where, but sometime after Tess appears there is a very small picture of that chrysler sign behind her in a shot. I wish I could remember but I will look again and tell you when I get the chance to watch my tapes again. Is she possibly one of these evil aliens sent there to make them trust her and then weaken them so that when the others come, it is easier to get to them? And speaking of the chrysler sign, not only is there a sign on top of Atherton's dome but there is also an empty bottle of Tabasco sauce amongst the clutter in the room. Hmmm...
Another thing, I did watch the pilot this evening again and I noticed that when Beavis and Butthead are struggling with the gun, there is an extremely long pause when they point the gun in Liz's direction like they are taking aim and during the rest of the time they are fighting, the gun is all over the place. Coincidence after the 'we got to get rid of her' and the 'i want to kill her so bad but i want to see the money on the table?' I think not!
I know, I'm jumping from topic to topic but I'm writing as I think of more things. But I guess that's it for now. We have to keep this thread on the first page though because the more I watch, the more I notice and I would love to see whatever else we can find. PS - And why was it that Michael could only get the vision about the hidden room in the dome when Maria stepped closer and concentrated on the key herself. If you noticed, she never took her eye off the key, even when she said it! (I added that in one of my fanfics because I don't think that it was just a concidence)
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 317
07-01-2000 04:27AM
Fehrbaby, as for Michael's powers (healing RD and the key visions), I think it has a lot to do with self-confidence. That's why his powers are so uneven -- he was able to break into Liz's room to steal the diary, but not to fix Maria's car. RD had faith in him about fixing his ankle, and Nacedo did also about the fingerprints, which is why he accomplished them, but his control is still inconsistent. And I think this is why he was able to do what he needed to do when Maria moved close to him in 285S because she was showing him support, (and it was pretty much the first time _anyone_ had shown him confidence like that). Does that make sense?
But I DO think the Tabasco in Atherton's home might be significant. Good eyes!!! What if Atherton was the "real" Nacedo? (River Dog says "I couldn't see clearly ... but). The "pure" aliens are shapeshifters, after all!! OK, so maybe I'm grasping at straws. Maybe Atherton just had Nacedo over for dinner, or he liked hot stuff himself.
Sun Girl 644 Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 111
07-01-2000 07:09 AM
Fehrbaby: That is such a good point. They all just assume that their "mother" is talking about Tess being Max's young bride. He, he.... And the anticiptation for next season grows stronger!!
deidra e, jones Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 353
07-01-2000 09:24AM
The three original aliens like hot and spicy foods.....they love tabasco sauce, right????
Well in TLV, at the dinner table when Liz was sitting there with Nasedo and Tess, I did not see any tabasco sauce on the table! Unless I did not see correctly.
The scene was also funny b/c Nasedo's plate had a mountain of mash potatoes.
So far as to alien's race not having emotions, well I disagree with that. Evil Max/Nasedo (would love to see him again) did enjoy kissing Liz.....And he also saved her from the House of Mirrors.
When Tess was left in the cave and Nacedo appeared from the cave wall, he showed a lot of emotions. He was truly afraid of Agent Pierce.
BYtheSEA Level4 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 582
07-01-2000 10:17AM
Another thing about Michael's powers, in addition to someone having confidence in him, his emotional state has a lot to do with it. That is why I believe he couldn't heal his black eye and had to have Max do it. He did say to Max "I tried ... " so when he is emotional, there is no control.
One other thing (NOT to discount what Maria did for him), but in 285 South, he had just leaned against the wall where the lock was found that the key fit. It seems that when they (Max in Missing) actually touch something directly related to the situation is when they get the flash. Of course, it took Michael longer. He had to hold the key again and try. Max just picked up the CD and got the flash. So, Maria standing there and supporting him probably helped a lot. (Sorry for the rambling.)
I love this thread!
fehrbaby Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 10
07-01-2000 12:12PM
I was going to say something this morning about how it was possible that Michael's state of mind seemed to have an affect on his ability to use powers but I was so tired that I blocked it out. I am still sticking to the idea that Maria was important to the whole key incident! LOL!! What can I say? I'm the biggest candygirl in the world and I think the writers neglect them in the story line toooo much! Boo hoo!
Hailey Angel Level2 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 58
07-01-2000 03:30PM
in one of the first episodes, in the jeep, max says "piece by piece" again. i think it was the first time someone said that phrase.
i thought it was cool how liz writing in her journal said she "came to life" and then mrs. evans told max that when he touched the bird, it "came to life."
also, i saw all those guns on the wall in kyle's house, which reminded me of when he told max about the competition. it just seems consistent or something.
i'm forgetting something, i just know it...
Nemo Level3 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 372
07-01-2000 04:19 PM
Originally posted by KayCMJust rewatched BB and got a look at the mug while T. was questioning Alex (I think it was just before she slipped the drug into his drink). It looked like UFO in large letters and something about the museum.
This is more of a question than an observation. Has anyone else noticed that Topolski was always carrying a mug around with her in any of the scenes set in school? Did someone clearly see what was on the mug, picture or words?
KayCM Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 114
07-01-2000 04:40 PM
Thanks Nemo, that was kind of driving me crazy. Looks like it was another cute alien reference, like all the props at the Crashdown Cafe. Appreciate your reply.
cHerRy CoKE Level1 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 43
07-01-2000 06:43PM
Originally posted by plumeriawhere is it?? like in the "hidden" room? or.. where??
But I DO think the Tabasco in Atherton's home might be significant.
cshell Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 297
07-01-2000 07:39PM
This is kind of dumb but it has been bugging me. In Blood Brothers when Michael is looking for clues in the agents room he smells his deoderant. What was he planning on finding doing that?
LadyJ Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 320
07-01-2000 09:11PM
Good catch BYtheSEA! I always wondered how Michael knew to start looking for the lock in the wall. It was like he zoned in on it immediately.
cshell , that always bothered me too. Maybe the aliens have an extra sensitive sense of smell and he thought if he smelled the deoderant he would be able to recognize the agent without seeing him. Okay, so I'm stretching here.
rocklowery Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 66
07-01-2000 09:40PM
Sign alert!!!
It's been a while since I read the earlier pages, so I don't know if this has already been mentioned...
In Destiny, when Pierce is sitting in the chair you see a side shot of him and the sign "The Timeline" stands out prominently.
whaddayathink?
BYtheSEA Level4 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 582
07-01-2000 10:11PM
Originally posted by LadyJIt could happen
cshell , that always bothered me too. Maybe the aliens have an extra sensitive sense of smell and he thought if he smelled the deoderant he would be able to recognize the agent without seeing him. Okay, so I'm stretching here.
pixiedude Level1 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 30
07-01-2000 10:22PM
Originally posted by cshellMy impression was that it was an example of Micheal blindly doing without thinking, so they can show how he needs Maria to search productively. They have yet to drop any clues about an extra-sharp sense of smell. Can you imagine what sensory overload it would be for Micheal to work as fry cook at the Crashdown, if that were the case?
This is kind of dumb but it has been bugging me. In Blood Brothers when Michael is looking for clues in the agents room he smells his deoderant. What was he planning on finding doing that?
Nemo Level3 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 372
07-01-2000 10:43 PM
I agree with the previous post. But maybe Michael is also showing curiosity about the stuff, as if he's never seen anything like it before? (Remember Maria's suggestion that he should learn more about personal-care items, but some other time?)
[Edited by Nemo on 07-01-2000 at 10:46 PM]
Nemo Level3 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 372
07-01-2000 10:51 PM
Originally posted by rockloweryThanks, that's a new one to me. It seems like one more hint that there is some kind of time twist to this story.
In Destiny, when Pierce is sitting in the chair you see a side shot of him and the sign "The Timeline" stands out prominently.
whaddayathink?
Nemo Level3 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 372
07-01-2000 11:10 PM
Originally posted by Hailey AngelI think so too (after searching the prior transcripts). That's how Max wanted to study the evidence from Atherton's place, before they learned it was lost in the burglary.
in one of the first episodes, in the jeep, max says "piece by piece" again. i think it was the first time someone said that phrase....
Interesting that agent Stevens (the first of Pierce's victims that we learn of) said to be taken apart "piece by piece," had a name similar to the first martyr of New Testament times, who was put to death by stoning, sort of the ancient equivalent of "piece by piece." Given that name, it looks as if Stevens was doomed from the start.
LadyJ Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 320
07-01-2000 11:11PM
Originally posted by pixiedudeI really was sorta joking. But this theory makes Michael look like a clueless buffoon. I don't think we've ever seen any indication that Michael couldn't take care of himself. I think he and Maria make a good team, but either one of them on their own would have probably found the same information. I always saw that scene as Michael just being Michael. He acts on impulse. Which is different than being helpless without Maria.
My impression was that it was an example of Micheal blindly doing without thinking, so they can show how he needs Maria to search productively. They have yet to drop any clues about an extra-sharp sense of smell. Can you imagine what sensory overload it would be for Micheal to work as fry cook at the Crashdown, if that were the case?
eM_au Level4 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 536
07-01-2000 11:22PM
...~sign alert~...
when Sheriff Valenti is having a quick talk to his son, Kyle in Kyle's room, in South 265...there was a sign saying "IN YOUR FACE"...hm...wonder if it means something??
eM
MaskedAlien Level3 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 208
07-02-2000 12:57 AM
Originally posted by fehrbaby
PS - And why was it that Michael could only get the vision about the hidden room in the dome when Maria stepped closer and concentrated on the key herself. If you noticed, she never took her eye off the key, even when she said it! (I added that in one of my fanfics because I don't think that it was just a concidence)
More importantly, how come it was when maria stood next to him and said "try the key again" that Michael saw the vision. After all, it was Isabel who first told him to try the key, and he didnt see anything. I think it shows the special connection that Michael shares with Maria - that he doesnt have with Isabel. Maria makes him better.
BTW, I dont think it was maria staring at the key that willed it to work - she was just a "special" aid to michael. She's his muse.
melt Level4 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 738
07-02-2000 01:03AM
plumeria babe, great thread
love melt
Small^Mel Level4 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 670
07-02-2000 01:11AM
I admit it! I followed Melt.... SHE MADE ME!!!
Nah... I've been lurking on yer Thread Plum and I am finally posting
Whoohoo! It's really interesting to see this stuff. I'm terrible at picking up the little stuff! And I try so hard!
Mel
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 317
07-02-2000 07:06PM
Reading those posts about Michael looking at the agent's deoderant, I had another possible notion:
Remember how Michael found Atherton's key? It was under the lid of Valenti's Thermos. Maybe he thought the agent might try hiding something under the cap of the deoderant? As for smelling it, maybe he was just trying to make sure it really WAS deoderant, and not a fake container hiding something, or maybe a weapon or chemical of some sort?
Mel, I didn't see most of these small things either, but since we've been getting reruns (or when I've been watching my tapes) I've paid a lot more attention to the background scenery. Even so, I'm amazed at the stuff everyone finds.
So YAY to all the posters on this thread!!
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 317
07-02-2000 07:09PM
ATTENTION:
Whaddya think, people, time to start a new thread? Let me know when this thread starts getting too long for you!
shapeshifter Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 263
07-02-2000 08:46PM
Does anyone have a clear copy of 285 South? As they are just entering the lower level of the dome, they pass a calendar, but I can't read the year or month. It's in the upper-left of the screen. Can anyone see it?
Jaymz Level4 Registered: Mar 2000 Posts: 566
07-02-2000 08:52PM
Great thread Plumeria!
Just finished reading all those pages, and i can say i noticed some of that stuff.
Now ill go have a look for stuff that people may have missed...
Jaymz
Oh wait, one thing... In Michaels apartment with the Staind and Metallica posters (woohoo!), was there another one on the other wall? I think there was (tell me if im wrong), if there is one, what is it of??
eM_au Level4 Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 536
07-02-2000 09:14PM
did u notice that Liz and Max are wearing the same shoes in Leaving Normal, u can see it at the end of the epi where they hug each other...btw i love that moment! eM
Nicki K Level2 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 52
07-02-2000 09:26PM
Hey all the Kiwi's here today, too! I just had to say something that someone else said (sorry can't remember the name) jogged something in my mind. I could be wrong here but I can't see that Nasedo has done anything to help any of them at all so far. I can't go into it all now cause I have to get my brain in gear first and I have to go pick up my daughter now so I'll post later. See ya all.
pixiedude Level1 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 30
07-02-2000 10:27PM
I read here that Harding Nasedo has a big pile of mashed potatoes on his plate in TLV. In Crazy, Tess talks about how she adds extra sugar to everything, but I don't recall her mentioning hot sauce. Have Tess or Nasedo ever been seen consuming hot spices?
Tasarz Level3 Registered: Jul 1999 Posts: 170
07-02-2000 11:20 PM
In the pilot, when Deputy Owens is asking to see Liz, he has a large aqua earring dangling from his right ear. This may be just me, but did the credits change in 'Crazy'? I know they added the extra shot at the end, but it seems like there was a higher-pitched part starting around "I can't breathe." It's more obvious around "I won't go." I can't find that part in any episodes after Sexual Healing.
GraceKel Level4 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 718
07-03-2000 02:04PM
Rocklowery good catch on the "TIMELINE" I was always trying to figure out the word on his face because I thought it was a clue. Thankyou!
Shapeshifter will go back and check out the calendar-I think I already did but I cannot remember what the date was--will check again-could be important!
shapeshifter Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 263
07-03-2000 03:24PM
Re: 285 South quote:
Originally posted by GraceKelThank you, GraceKel!
Shapeshifter will go back and check out the calendar-I think I already did but I cannot remember what the date was--will check again-could be important!
Beckielee Level1 Registered: Jul 2000 Posts: 1
07-03-2000 04:40PM
Originally posted by KayCMThey can't use the day they hatch because they would all be born on the same day. somehow they make up different birthdays even thought they don't know anything about the earth when they do hatch.
I think it was in Four Square that Michael went to look up Tess' school records and Maria joins him. Well anyway Tess'birthdate is shown as 3/07/83. How come Max's birthdate in Blood Brothers was 3/15/83? According to the new "coming out of the pods" story, Max, Iz, and Michael left Tess in the cave. Wouldn't that make her "birthdate" later, not earlier, than theirs?
Some other things are they din't start school until after liz gets shot do they? If thats so they don't start school until Sept. 27!!
Also the only way Nasado can shape shift is it someone is dead, right? How could he have taken Max's body if Max was still alive?
I have also notice when Alex is in the mens room in "Blood Brothers" The bothroom is opposite than in other episodes (i.e. "Heat wave"
[Edited by Beckielee on 07-03-2000 at 06:09 PM]
cshell Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 297
07-03-2000 04:57PM
You guys are too much I was joking around w/ that deodorant thing, but now you gave me some things to think about. Also, someone I can't remember who, sorry, was talking about the repeating of ' piece by piece ", in BB Liz tells Alex that there is a right side and a wrong side and that she is on the right side, in Destiny Valenti tells Michael the same thing. Just a little something I noticed during my mini marathon last night.
ViciousV Level2 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 66
07-03-2000 05:17PM
OMG guys!! This is outstanding!!! I can't believe all this stuff. I was wondering if anyone had accumulated the signs to see if they spell out something or mean something?? It would be interesting to know.
I noticed one thing I haven't seen mentioned which might lend towards the whole destiny crap. In Missing, Liz tells Max at the end that she had to write everything down so that if/when? someone touches her like that she would know what it's supposed to feel like, hmmmm?
Also, there was this special about Roswell on the other day talking about aliens and the public and media's obsession with aliens and if I am not mistaking they mentioned something about a Hubble? Hubble's ranch I think is what the host said. Does anyone know about this??
And it is soooo obvious that Liz has something to do with the aliens, why else would Tess be trying so hard to get rid of her and Nesado too. In Destiny he keeps looking at her in the pod chamber and then comments that "she doesn't belong here."
And how does Nesado plan on being Pierce when he already made a point that he cannot get past the hand scanners? Is he up to something or just a blooper?
Also, we have some missing people. Mr. Evans was replaced by another actor, Deputy Owens is gone, and then Maria's mom (can't remember her real name right now) is supposedly leaving the show for another.
Tell me what you think!
Kae~
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 317
07-03-2000 06:21PM
LN is on right now, and I've already noticed 2 things:
Liz hangs around the hallways, waiting for Max to come out of his 4th per. PE class, and when he tries to avoid her, he says he has an English midterm up next. But in BB, when Max catches Liz and persuades her to go driving with him, it's their 4th per. class (together) that they're cutting, and Max goes on to say that they can leave since they both have 5th per. lunch.
Also, Grandma clearly arrives early, because Liz says to her "I didn't think you were coming until Friday" or something like that. But then a few minutes later Maria shows up and she's obviously expecting Grandma to be there. So how did she know Grandma came early?
These both seem like bloopers to me! I'll be watching for more as the ep. runs....
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 317
07-03-2000 06:34PM
OK, another LN blooper:
When Maria confronts the other waitress over taking an unnecessary break, I noticed that the other waitress wasn't wearing the alien uniform.
BYtheSEA Level4 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 582
07-03-2000 08:48PM
In Leaving Normal when Liz and Kyle have their chat (and Liz breaks up with him) they go out the "West Wing Entrance." Really the only interesting thing about this is Roswell used to be on opposite The West Wing.
BYtheSEA Level4 Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 582
07-03-2000 08:52PM
plumeria - I think a new thread would be great. Just provide a link to this thread, so new posters can find it easily (and keep up on what has already been found).
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 317
07-04-2000 04:57AM
plumeria - I think a new thread would be great. Just provide a link to this thread, so new posters can find it easily (and keep up on what has already been found).
I'd be happy to do that, but I'm not computer literate -- how do I provide a link? Let me know -- It's something I've been wanting to learn anyway.
zapfairy Level1 Registered: Jul 2000 Posts: 5
07-04-2000 07:19AM
Hi Im pretty new, i read thru the last 8 pages and only noticed it once . In the balence max says the first time they met micheal was on a rock or something but in the visions in 4 square micheal and Isabel are calling for max together obviously that wouyld be the frst time they met. well someone else metioned soemthing likethat i just wanted to elaborate
have fun !! bye !!
Sun Girl 644 Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 111
07-04-2000 07:37 AM
Plumeria I believe you just do this: [ then URL then ], then type the address that's in your browser window and then [/ then URL and then ]. Hope it helps!!
Nemo Level3 Registered: Dec 1999 Posts: 372
07-04-2000 08:40 AM
One way to provide a link without having to type the whole thing. 1. Go to the page in question. The Location bar on your browser will now be displaying the page address you want. Click on it or whatever you have to do to select that whole line. Go to the browser's Edit menu and do Edit/Copy.
2. Now go to where you want to post the link and do Edit/Paste. (It may help to do this at the start of a new line.) Add whatever text you want before and after (leave a space). When you post it, normally the system will recognize the address and convert it to a link automatically, so you don't have to put in the URL tags yourself.
After you post, if you want to see exactly what the system did, you can use the Edit-your-post icon (looks like pencil and paper) to inspect your post and see what those URL tags look like.
[Edited by Nemo on 07-04-2000 at 12:17 PM]
XxLotzOfBeHrHuGsXx Level1 Registered: Jun 2000 Posts: 36
07-04-2000 09:22AM
Originally posted by plumeriaPerhaps, while Maria was heading upstairs to Liz's room, Liz's parents mentioned that Grandma Claudia arrived early.
Also, Grandma clearly arrives early, because Liz says to her "I didn't think you were coming until Friday" or something like that. But then a few minutes later Maria shows up and she's obviously expecting Grandma to be there. So how did she know Grandma came early?
TeddyBehr_Y2K Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 15
07-04-2000 09:44AM
I was just rewatchng the Pilot and I noticed something in the first scene. When Liz and Maria are in a back area of the Crashdown(excuse my vagueness, I'm recalling this from memory). On the wall, there is one of those Maximum Occupancy signs. Well, when I looked at it closely, I noticed that there is no number on that sign. There should be a number on all of those signs, without a number, it defeats the purpose. So, it brings a question to mind, exactly how many people can the Crashdown hold? LOL
TeddyBehr_Y2K Level1 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 15
07-04-2000 10:01AM
Originally posted by Beckielee:In response to your comment about Nasedo shapeshifting into Max, Nasedo can shapeshift into anybody, regardless of whether or not they are dead(remember when he shapeshifted into the Agent still walking around in WR). The reason he shapeshifts into people that are usually already dead is that he doesn't want to be caught with two of the same people walking around(another comment made in WR). However, he made an exception to his usual rule in M2TM.Originally posted by KayCM
They can't use the day they hatch because they would all be born on the same day. somehow they make up different birthdays even thought they don't know anything about the earth when they do hatch.
I think it was in Four Square that Michael went to look up Tess' school records and Maria joins him. Well anyway Tess'birthdate is shown as 3/07/83. How come Max's birthdate in Blood Brothers was 3/15/83? According to the new "coming out of the pods" story, Max, Iz, and Michael left Tess in the cave. Wouldn't that make her "birthdate" later, not earlier, than theirs?
Some other things are they din't start school until after liz gets shot do they? If thats so they don't start school until Sept. 27!!
Also the only way Nasado can shape shift is it someone is dead, right? How could he have taken Max's body if Max was still alive?
I have also notice when Alex is in the mens room in "Blood Brothers" The bothroom is opposite than in other episodes (i.e. "Heat wave"
[Edited by Beckielee on 07-03-2000 at 06:09 PM]
plumeria Level3 Registered: May 2000 Posts: 317
07-04-2000 10:14AM
OK, I've started the new thread, called, rather boringly, I'm afraid, "How closely were you paying attention, pt. 2" The link is (taking a deep breath, praying it works):
http://www.fanforum.com/forum/upload/showthread.php?threadid=35931
So come on over to the new thread and keep posting!!
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