Of course WE know what it is... but what do YOU think it is?
Serina (seven of five)
Queen of Terrestrial
Heiroglyphs Sparky-who in absentia-had already banished us from the TV room
GregPosted by greg5 on 04-23-2002 08:03 PM:
greg5 Question #144: What the @#$&*@!!! is that?
Serina and I were discussing the finer points of this evening's Roswell (Who
died and made you king?)... when suddenly this thing showed up...
Of course WE know what it is... but what do YOU think it is?
Serina (seven of five) Queen of Terrestrial
Heiroglyphs
Sparky-who in absentia-had already banished us from the TV room
Greg
Okkkaaaaay I'm lost *Gives Greg her best confused look*
Ahem...But maybe that is because I don't get to see Roswell until Saturday
....Just a guess
though.................
Ooh- Banjo and Garnet- you guys are good!
Yes the Spike signature was to throw everyone off track 
but it actually does
have relevance since the picture could work for Spike explanations as well as
for Max explanations. More later when Greg actually explains the explanations.......
And yes Garnet, the special ear enhancements were all mine- didn't think Greg
drew them big enough to tell it was Stick Figure Max........
It really is a serious theory.............
.......And by the way, Connor, having been sucked into whatever dimension and
subsequently floated by us all on the Nile, is actually with Tess now (since
both Angel and Max decided baby chasing wasn't all that interesting)- an adopted
Prince of Antar who will grow up a happy Royal with his adopted brother Zan
Jr. until he talks to God on Damaras Rock and feels compelled to free his earthly
people from the tyranical rule of King Zan Jr and parts the stars to lead his
people....oh.wrong story......so Dawn, who works her way up from stealing jewelry
to stealing spaceships under the FBI's nose, pilots the thing shapeshifterless
(she is after all a key you know) to Antar where she faces the serious dilemna
of which young man she should choose- the Demon boy 
or the King 
..........what would her sister do?.........Tess, of course, will have
none of it- this alien glowy key thing must be stopped!.......okay I'll stop
now- got a teensy bit carried away.........Banjo started it.........
Serina (Seven of Five)
Posted by greg5 on 04-25-2002 07:45 PM:
The disection dissected...
First some facts about the pic:
Serina's contributions are in red and Greg's
are in black.
Most of Greg's writing was done upside down, which would explain why it is MORE
legible than normal.
The two figures at the top of the diagram, labelled (CadX and Happy
Alien King-Pre-Vilandra) represent the DNA of Zan and the Human donor.
The Max figure-the one with the Ferengi ears is of course our beloved
hybrid king, sent to earth.
The line coming from CadX represent stuff that went into the hybrid-specifically
from the original Zan: a bit of Antaran biology (so he could survive
on his home planet), the powers (which als come from the human part of his physiology),
and some history (???)... Somewhere in there is also the Royal Seal... or was
it?
The line coming from Mr. "HappyAlienKing" is the stuff that Max got from his
human donor: Biology (to survive on Earth), his love for Liz,
and of course his emotions/humanity... which other aliens (Nacedo-who resented
it, and the Clapper-who coveted it...)
When our Max figure gets killed (see: DeadMax inset) the Royal
Seal (which is not a slice of Pizza... though I am getting hungry)... moves
on to Michael (the figure in the lower corner).
At least that's what we saw... (the dotted line).
But what if the seal didn't come with the hybrid ingredients? What if Dupe-Zan
had it? (The solid line leading from the Pizza)...
If Zan had the power seal, when he got killed, did it go to Rath? Or to Lonnie
(Ms. Cards to play) or did Max get it?
If Max got Zan's royal seal-did Max already have one? He already had the healing
powers... but did he have the seal? Did Max get suddenly stronger when Zan died?
Or did one of the other Dupes? Did they notice?
Back to the Michael figure.
Here's where we begin to speculate why Rath would be genetically encoded to
inherit the Royal Seal?
What was involved in his position as Counsellor or Second? Could he have been
betrorthed to Vilandra as some political accord? Was his station respresentative
of that? Was he Prince Rath or Duke Rath before he became Counselor Rath?
Or maybe the Rath separatists had the hybrids encoded, figuring Rath would be
a better returning King-especially if the hybrids didn't have much history encoded...
Spike
Of course as soon as we started dissecting Max, Serina bursts: We could do
this for Spike too!... hence the name in the corner... which... Greg did
tell her to jot down there... to distract the untrained eye... 
(it was a Katimsish
deflection... in other words don't expect a Spike diagram anytime soon...
)
Serina (seven of five) Queen of Figure
8
Sparky still wants nothing to do with this
Greg
How about this for order of operations:
Max had the RS (Royal Seal) to begin with because he was the First String King.
If Max had died and Zan was still alive, the Royal Seal would have gone to Zan.
Then, if Zan died, the Royal Seal would go next to Michael, and then, if Michael
died, to Rath.
So then, thinking about TEOTW:
If Tess had left, and the Roswell 3 had died, and Zan was already dead, Rath
would have taken over the world.
P.S. Glad y'all enjoyed the pic. I did the cartoon at the end of Season One
for a prototype character for a teen health Website I was helping design. They
never did use the characters.
The background was manipped from a pick by Qfanny for the Archive
site we made.
The greg5 challange inspired me to remanip 'em.
Re: gee guys!
quote:BTW, on last night's Friends, Joey hummed the same IDOG theme that Jessie & friend hummed in IMAA. Actually, I think I've caught a Roswell reference on nearly every ep of Friends I've seen this season.
Originally posted by bwampler
i thought that the pic meant that spike was now a roswell fan...so he has two shows he watches: passions and roswell. hehehe you never know we could be hearing spike yell"dont go with tess, max, she only wants to use your body. she is evil"
The opposite of the Nile is a town called De Lusion...
quote:
Originally posted by shapeshifter
BTW, on last night's Friends, Joey hummed the same IDOG theme that Jessie & friend hummed in IMAA. Actually, I think I've caught a Roswell reference on nearly every ep of Friends I've seen this season.
Fear not, Greg. I'll give you a tour of all the high schools and you can look
for a 'Roswellian Rachel' . That just came to
me in a flash of genius.
Of course school will be out for the summer, so you might have to cruise the
mall. Roswell has one, believe it or not. 
Maybe we ought to try Coffee houses...
After all Rachael is in her twenties (thirties?)... Isabel may be at the mall...
heck... maybe we can try both...
Greg
first off there was an entire episode devoted to Rachell turning thirty years
old The One Where They All Thurn Thirty
Secondly, Greg5 you have me so delighted today. I've been avoiding blu all week
because I didn't get to see the new eppie until today (saturday) and I'm delighted
with all your interesting threads!!
I had to open this thread twice to see your explination next to the drawing.
Back to the Theory at hand
So what is the Royal pecking order, is that the question here? I forget now...
Greg5 order
1. Max
2. Zan
3. Michael
4. Rath
(why arn't any of the women included here???!!)
My idea
What if BOTH Zan and Max had a Royal seal?? It would seem that Zan's seal was
passed on to Lonnie rather than Rath, due to their behavior. While Max's seal
was passed to Michael. Why then would one group be engineered one way while
the other was engineered another way??
Perhaps, that is part of the "defect" mentioned by Lonnie in Meet the Dupes
While of course Lonnie felt her group was seperior because they leaned toward
their Alien genetics, We feel that Max's group is superior because it leans
toward their human genetics. Maybe there is more to it than that.
two ways of passing the seal....
ONE: The Zan Clan was encoded to pass the seal of leadership within the Royal
family from Zan to Lonnie. Because the Antarian style of leadership did not
require a male to lead. (of course I like this idea myself.)
TWO: The Roswellian group was encoded to pass the seal of leadership first to
the men. Because saddly this has historically been the "human" way of doing
things.
So Perhaps, one group (Zan's group) was engenired to survive best on Antar,
with Antar's code of morals, ethics, and norms. While the other group (Max's
group) was engenired to surve best on Earth, with Earth's (human) code of morals,
ethics, and norms.
The reason for two groups
Maybe we have figured out the reason for two groups...maybe it wasn't because
they "made a mistake" with one group. Maybe it was because they didn't know
if the group would ever be able to come back, so they made one group that could
survive on Earth forever if they needed to and one group that could survive
on Antar if they were able to return.
Or better yet maybe it was because they ment for Max's group TO STAY ON EARTH
FOREVER and rule from there, while they ment for Zan's group TO RETURN TO ANTAR,
and rule from there. Perhaps they didn't want the two groups to compete against
each other for the right to rule, perhaps they ment for them to WORK TOGETHER
and bring the UNIVERSE and the 5 planets in the Antar seal to peace.
well maybe they did
Okay, I didn't post earlier because I just got to see the eppy last night.
And here's my thoughts. I totally disagree with greg5. I don't think the Dupes
ever had the royal seal.
However, what's really interesting to note is that the seal passed to Michael,
, NOT Max's son by Tess. Don't you find that interesting?
Back to that in a minute.
The reason I think Zan was never involved is that had Zan had the seal, wouldn't
have Max had the same reaction as Michael, or anyone else assuming the royal
seal? We saw none of that with either Max or Rath ... so it leads me to conclude
that Max was always the possessor of the royal seal.
Previously, we have referred to Max's son as his heir. As his heir, Max's son
would be the direct male in line to the throne by heredity. I'm assuming that
the line is through heredity since Max follows his father as king. So the line,
from a genealogical and political standpoint would have been as follows:
1. Max/Zan's dad
2. Zan (pre Max)
3. Max (reborn)
4. Max's son
5. Michael
Now we know that Max's son had already been born months before. So why doesn't
the seal pass directly to Max's son? As the immediate heir to the throne, the
seal should have gone to Max's son, but it goes to Michael instead. WHY? Does
it mean that the baby really isn't Max's after all?
Okay, so the seal goes to Michael. This makes sense if it's the monarchy passes
through the male line. Michael, as the betrothed to the princess, would be next
in line to the throne, but generally ONLY if there is no male heir. Max has
a son. So when the pod squad was engineered, why was this important detail overlooked?
It brings into question to validity of Tess' baby as heir.
However, Michael is NOT married to Isabel so the seal, if not passed
to Max's son, and there was no male heir would normally go to Isabel. Why didn't
it? Did Vilandra's misdeeds come to light and she was passed over in favor of
Michael? Or is Michael's royal connection to The House of Antar more than one
of by marriage? Perhaps Michael really is a successor to the throne by blood.
That is, by birth, Michael is Max & Is' cousin, fathered by one of Max's
dad's siblings. If that is the case, Michael would be in direct line to the
throne after Max as the next male heir should Max have no male heir.
So my most obvious question is: Why was Max's son overlooked? Does Max have
a son or doesn't he? Food for thought.
The other interesting point was that the seal appears on Michael's chest, not
his forehead. From MITC, we know the royal seal was imbedded in Max's head.
If Michael were the true successor to the throne, shouldn't the royal seal have
moved to his head? Why his chest? Well, there might be two reasons.
1. As second in charge, he is seen as "acting" king, that is as temporary king.
In this case, maybe he is "acting" as regent for Max's son who bears the royal
seal in his head. But I can't buy this because Max takes the seal back, so it
implies that there is only ONE royal seal. If there is only one seal, then the
seal should have gone straight to Max's son.
2. That each royal member -- Max, Michael, Isabel, and Michael, have a seal
imbedded in them that denotes their position in the royal line and each seal
is placed in a different position of the body to denote rank. However, if that
were the case, then Max should not have been able to strip Michael of his rank.
So I'm back to the beginning. That Michael inherits through a blood connection
to The House of Antar rather than marriage. As next in line to the throne, he
assumes Max's command and his powers. HOWEVER, we are still left with no explanation
why Max's son would be passed over if Max's son is real, legitimate or otherwise.
Anybody else have thoughts on this?
quote:
Originally posted by Melandra
First off there was an entire episode devoted to Rachell turning thirty years old The One Where They All Thurn Thirty
(okay... I'm a little older than Jesse... but he's way taller...)[/b] quote:
Originally posted by Melandra
Secondly, Greg5 you have me so delighted today. I've been avoiding blu all week because I didn't get to see the new eppie until today (saturday) and I'm delighted with all your interesting threads!!
I had to open this thread twice to see your explination next to the drawing.
Back to the Theory at hand
So what is the Royal pecking order, is that the question here? I forget now...
Greg5 order
1. Max
2. Zan
3. Michael
4. Rath
(why arn't any of the women included here???!!)
quote:
Originally posted by Melandra
My idea
What if BOTH Zan and Max had a Royal seal?? It would seem that Zan's seal was passed on to Lonnie rather than Rath, due to their behavior. While Max's seal was passed to Michael. Why then would one group be engineered one way while the other was engineered another way??
quote:
Originally posted by Melandra
Perhaps, that is part of the "defect" mentioned by Lonnie in Meet the Dupes While of course Lonnie felt her group was seperior because they leaned toward their Alien genetics, We feel that Max's group is superior because it leans toward their human genetics. Maybe there is more to it than that.
quote:
Originally posted by Melandra
two ways of passing the seal....
quote:
Originally posted by Melandra
The reason for two groups
It's really a question of PLANNING...
quote:
Originally posted by Momo
Okay, I didn't post earlier because I just got to see the eppy last night. And here's my thoughts. I totally disagree with greg5. I don't think the Dupes ever had the royal seal.
However, what's really interesting to note is that the seal passed to Michael, , NOT Max's son by Tess. Don't you find that interesting? Back to that in a minute.
quote:
Originally posted by Momo
The reason I think Zan was never involved is that had Zan had the seal, wouldn't have Max had the same reaction as Michael, or anyone else assuming the royal seal? We saw none of that with either Max or Rath ... so it leads me to conclude that Max was always the possessor of the royal seal.
quote:
Originally posted by Momo
Previously, we have referred to Max's son as his heir. As his heir, Max's son would be the direct male in line to the throne by heredity. I'm assuming that the line is through heredity since Max follows his father as king. So the line, from a genealogical and political standpoint would have been as follows:
1. Max/Zan's dad
2. Zan (pre Max)
3. Max (reborn)
4. Max's son
5. Michael
quote:
Originally posted by Momo
Now we know that Max's son had already been born months before. So why doesn't the seal pass directly to Max's son? As the immediate heir to the throne, the seal should have gone to Max's son, but it goes to Michael instead. WHY? Does it mean that the baby really isn't Max's after all?
quote:
Originally posted by Momo
Okay, so the seal goes to Michael. This makes sense if it's the monarchy passes through the male line. Michael, as the betrothed to the princess, would be next in line to the throne, but generally ONLY if there is no male heir. Max has a son. So when the pod squad was engineered, why was this important detail overlooked? It brings into question to validity of Tess' baby as heir.
However, Michael is NOT married to Isabel so the seal, if not passed to Max's son, and there was no male heir would normally go to Isabel. Why didn't it? Did Vilandra's misdeeds come to light and she was passed over in favor of Michael? Or is Michael's royal connection to The House of Antar more than one of by marriage? Perhaps Michael really is a successor to the throne by blood. That is, by birth, Michael is Max & Is' cousin, fathered by one of Max's dad's siblings. If that is the case, Michael would be in direct line to the throne after Max as the next male heir should Max have no male heir.
quote:
Originally posted by Momo
So my most obvious question is: Why was Max's son overlooked? Does Max have a son or doesn't he? Food for thought.
quote:
Originally posted by Momo
The other interesting point was that the seal appears on Michael's chest, not his forehead. From MITC, we know the royal seal was imbedded in Max's head. If Michael were the true successor to the throne, shouldn't the royal seal have moved to his head? Why his chest? Well, there might be two reasons.
1. As second in charge, he is seen as "acting" king, that is as temporary king. In this case, maybe he is "acting" as regent for Max's son who bears the royal seal in his head. But I can't buy this because Max takes the seal back, so it implies that there is only ONE royal seal. If there is only one seal, then the seal should have gone straight to Max's son.
2. That each royal member -- Max, Michael, Isabel, and Michael, have a seal imbedded in them that denotes their position in the royal line and each seal is placed in a different position of the body to denote rank. However, if that were the case, then Max should not have been able to strip Michael of his rank.
quote:
Originally posted by Momo
So I'm back to the beginning. That Michael inherits through a blood connection to The House of Antar rather than marriage. As next in line to the throne, he assumes Max's command and his powers. HOWEVER, we are still left with no explanation why Max's son would be passed over if Max's son is real, legitimate or otherwise.
quote:
Originally posted by Momo Anybody else have thoughts on this?
What...
ITA with greg5 (whichever of 5) that the reason Max's son didn't get the seal
would be that it was an engineered thing. I remember Kal's dismay/shock about
Max mating with another alien--maybe it can only be passed to a human/alien
cross.
Hmmm...maybe part of the Tess/baby plot was to cut off the royal line.
Also, re Michael being next in line: this would be a military strategy. He was
"Second in Command." But yeah, definitely a little sexist.
you give me lots to ponder Momo and Greg, lots to ponder... 
quote:hmm...ummm...yeah whats Gin said
Originally posted by GinNJuice
*rubs her head and tries to revive the brain cells lost within this thread*
um ... well ... yeah what serina said sounds good
hey who let all of the theory people in......
ouch my head!!
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