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Fehr is Fehr, Jennifehr, a few others and myself have began speculating as to the possibility of Michael actually being the king & not Max. I must honestly say that the mere thought of it just boggles my mind. With a little contemplation, if the characters were reversed, just think of how many questions could be answered.
*PLEASE read the other threads before posting.*
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Cam isn't here and I am clueless lil ole jenn!! I just wanted to post after you oh might Fehr... and hey can you post some pics of our king in the nude?!!!
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Oh...please do!!! Naked...Michael...yummy.
Michael: Do I make you horny?
Arista: Yeah baby!
~Arista~
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Oh how I wish!!! Truly, truly wish I could!!! But alas........there are no nudie pix of Brendan that I know of.
I will bring the intro over though.....
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Here are the links back to the other threads.
#4
pub57.ezboard.com/fupn11frm9.showMessage?topicID=5.topic
#3
pub57.ezboard.com/fupn11frm9.showMessage?topicID=4.topic
#2
pub57.ezboard.com/fupn11frm9.showMessage?topicID=2.topic
#1
pub57.ezboard.com/fupn11frm9.showMessage?topicID=3.topic
Over and out.
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With all the recent events in the past week, we have kind of neglected this thread. SO...it is time we got back on track. I believe we were going to discuss SEXUAL HEALING next. Another epsiode I thoroughly enjoyed. So dust off your notes guys and get ready to discuss away.
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Sexual Healing! One of the hottest TV shows ever with no real sex......But Oh, the imagination is in full gear!!!! Makes your knees weak just thinking about it! Bring on the discussion, people!
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Fehr is Fehr, hi!! I came by to visit, but I don't have much to say. I kinda wish Michael would be the king. Yes, I'm a Maxoholic for better or for worse, but I kinda wish Michael would be the king because my dear Max was all scrambled up in S2 and I wouldn't feel confident having him as king like that. Maybe he'll go through the necessary changes in S3. So I'm not citing any proofs that Michael is king, but a preference. So does this mean that Tess got pregnant by the wrong guy? Would she have been as successful with Michael? I kinda don't think Michael would have succombed. Hmmm....
The Writer...the agony, the ecstasy!
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh..........Sexual Healing.
Hi Cam, Shilo and Pinky.
So good to see your pixels Pinky. Funny you should mention Tess getting pregnant by the wrong guy. I had said previously that she would be killed for trying to pass a mongrel child off as royalty! I agree with you that Michael wouldn't have gone for it.
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Where oh where has Camlaw gone? Oh where oh where could she be?
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Camlaw bought tires. Then she baby sat a couple of hellions for her friend. Then this week she has been attending class and getting home late every night. Plus she is still upset about the post she worked on for the king thread for over an hour that got erased because she was booted before she could post. And her schedule is jammed packed for the next 2 weeks. Did I mention she is going to miss the series premier? She is tired and stressed and misses ALL you guys. I cannot remeber the last time I gabbed with any of you! Jenniferh? Are you still alive?
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Oh, Camlaw! Do ya have a VCR to tape the Premiere??! You just can't totally miss it!!!!
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I'm baaaaaaaaaaaack! No, not to post because I believe there is only one K-I-N-G and that is Max Q. Evans! I just thought I would say Hi, so Hi!
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Hi ms, how are they swingin?
CAM! Geeze woman take it easy........ From now on write your posts in Word or on Notepad, then copy and paste. That way if you get booted you will still have it on your puter. I learned about that the hard way.......just like you. Nothing worse than working your bootie off on a killer post....then, POOF...it's gone! You must tape the premeire, or if not we will make sure you get a copy. No worries.
Shilo, did you get an email from me? I have had a few problems with hotmail this week.... Two of the ones I sent my daughter never got there!
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Hey guys!
Cam have you abandoned us????
I just saved all the opening credit screen caps that have been posted on FF to my hard drive. I am working on translating the letters from the actor's names, as well as the Roswell title. Hopefully I will be able to use this to translate some of the writing on the ground in Michael's visions in the Balance and the cave paintings from the reservation and the friggin Destiny book. Wish me luck. Some of the symbols are different for the same letter, it's hard to explain, but I will be working on this in the next couple of days. It could help us in our quest for clues as to who is the REAL king.
Oh..........
ONE MORE DAT TO GO!!!!!!!
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Fehr - You know you're an addict if...... You spend time translating a language that doesn't exist! Good Luck!
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It's in Roswell, so there for.........it exists!
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Damn Mel... all that and brains too!!! I love you!!
So your not like being mindwarped or anything are you?
I am excited to see what you come up with!!! Keep us posted and Cam get your butt on the boards... oh and msbaby.... I wouldn't get your little ole heart set on Mr. Maxi being King yet....
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Hey Jen, how big is my brain if I can't even spell day right??? I guess I was excited that there was only one more day to go, but still, I should be able to spell it correctly! One more dat???? Oh me.......I am in serious need of my Roswell fix. All that aside....I wuv you too.
T Minus 20 hours and 53 minutes...........
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Since we have refrained from posting in regards to Michael's kingly qualities I figured a picture would be good!!! Cause they say a thousand words... right?? So here he is in all his glory.. and if he would only come over here and rub it up against me! !
"When I close my eyes you're all I see..."
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Did you guys miss me? I have had a hell of a couple of weeks. This past week alone I had a car accident. Nothing serious. The guy just hit my bumper, left no visable damage. Of course, now I think everyone is out to get me on the road.
I am also in the process of trying to find a new place to live. I have like 6 weeks to find a place & move so that has made my life crazy. And the lunacy at work has me on the brink of insanity. I did however record the season premier. I only watched it once and it was so late. I do not even think I registered it all.
OK...I promise to move forward with this thread. We were at Sexual Healing. I got to redo my notes and repost since I lost my previous one. Ferh is Ferh has been on my butt to get back over here and post. One lecture and name calling session after another. Right Mel?
But it is late. I am exhausted after a day of apartment hunting and shopping. So I will be back tomorrow. Until then...
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Right! Good to see your pixels girl.
OMG!!! A soul patch??? OMG!!!
I can't take this sh*t...........
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Soul Patch? What does that mean Ferh is Ferh?
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no, he just missed a spot!!!
i'd procrastinate, but i keep putting it off!
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Now look alienmom....Don't make me go off.....
Cam a soul patch is a little tuft of hair right under a guys bottom lip.....and on Bren is just looks so.......
OMG! OMG!!! OMG!
Mel wanders off muttering to herself how lovely that must feel brushing up against.........
EVERYTHING!
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Ya know? He's really gotta a Jim Morrison thang going on these days.........
OMG! Can I just..........
I CAN in my dreams..........
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In our dreams Mel anything is possible... and believe me I know!
Soul patch ... I love it... and ya know I am not one for facial hair.. I really like my boys smooth... everywhere but Brendan has brought on a change in me!!! Specially after seeing commando boys fuzzy little backside! !!
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you CANNOT CANNOT CANNOT compare BF to Jim Morrison!?!
Jim is the freaking LIZARD KING, please people, let's not lose out heads here. Jimmy wrote the book!
I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.
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Brew calm the freakin hell down there girlie!!!
I was not comparing him to Jim or even saying anything like that.......what I'm saying is, with his hair like that....he's got a Morrison thang happening. Can you honestly tell me he doesn't with that gorgeous hair all waving and flowing????? Come on.... Not a comparison.....an observation.
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Yup! Definitely a Jim hair thing going on with Bren.
Ya know, now that I just looked at all these pix of Jim, to find these........Brendan's lips are amazingly similar.
Sorry brew.
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i know it's a roswell board, but couldn't we start a jim thread? i have had a huge jim obsession for years and years. when my friend went to france she took pictures of his alleged grave for me! JIM! JIM! JIM! i used to sing 'my wild love' to my kids when they were babies!
but i was just playing with ya FEHR BABY!
I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.
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Hey now ladies.... this is the King Thread.... meaning Michael/Brendan.... not the drool over Jim Morrison thread... although he is definitely droolable!!!
Mel... I agree Bren has got the Jim hair going on.... and brew... it's okay Jim is forever the Lizard King!! Nothing else compares!!
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Well since this is the King thread.....and Jim is the Lizard King....and Michael/Brendan is the Alien King.....and they both have royal heads of hair.....we can post pix of BOTH of them!!!
Works for me.
T Minus 24 Hours and 49 Minutes and Counting...........
Brewski how you feeling babe? Seems like you're in good spirits. Hope you are feeling stronger every minute!
JEN! I WUV ya girlfriend!
Cam I miss you when you don't post, even if I 'talk" to you. I like reading your posts.
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I am here Ferh is Ferh. Just finished watching Angel. I am so excited. They ended it with such a surprise. ANYWAY...
Sexual Healing...I bet you guys thought we would never get here. The basic premise of this episode is that everyone is in heat. You see groping and making out and many bases bring reached and surpassed. Our precious king is involved with this fornication...all in the name of science mind you. Discovering their roots, sacrificing their innocence for a higher purpose...yeah right. HORN DOGS!
But seriously...
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Sexual Healing! The ultimate sex show with no actual sex! I don't think I even breathed the first time I watched it! Definitely brought out feelings I'd kinda forgotten about for a while!!!!! If I remember right, my hubby reaped the rewards!
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Aaaahhh the days of just making out!!! Where did they go?? I loved "Sexual Healing" I loved Maria's attempt at getting closer to Michael.. and the Chaka Kahn... made me ROTFL.....
Anyway as for kingly things.... I didn't read any into this epy.. but then it has not been the best week for me and it is only Monday!! I did watch the epy though... cause I like all the make out scenes!!!! So um post away Cam and Mel, enlighten me with your poetic descriptions of the luv god!!
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JIM! JIM! JIM!
I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.
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Gotta bring this back up to the mainpage, cuz.......I'm gonna watch all three new eps tonight and post on them tomorrow.
Last night had one glaring example of why I think Michael is the true king......You guys saw the ep, you know what I'm talking about!
More later.
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Remember me?? I am clueless... okay Mel is it because Michael told Iz that she could not tell Jesse the truth about what she is??? And it was like... "this is my final word"... and then he walked out...
Is that what you are refering to?? I watched, hell I even took notes!! But sometimes I seem to be blonde and things float right over my head!!! !!!!!!
Maria: "What are you two doing? Saving the world from alien invasion?"
Michael: "Is that gonna save you from kicking my ass?"
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Jen you are far from clueless!
You nailed it......he was so matter a fact about it. Made no excuses, didn't try to rationalize it, just NO, end of discussion. Max seemed to really be in the role of counsel too, explaining to Isabel, why it was not a great idea to tell Jesse the truth. Max also played counsel to Michael in the Snapple Caper, telling him it wasn't a plan, ect........like Max is the best one at making plans!
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Woo Hoo!!! I did it!! Now I am feeling like a true philosophical member of the King thread.... not just here cause Michael is a god..... with perfect hands and beautiful lips... and that darn black t-shirt in MTGATGSC!!!!!
Oh to be the fruit of the loom stretched across that chest... sigh....
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i come for mikey, but i stay for jim.
hey JENN BABE watch the blond bashing, would ya?
I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.
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brew darling I have been waiting for like forever for you to catch that!!!!
And it is not bashing..... I love blondes!! Cause you make even me look smart!!! !! Just kidding...... my mom is a blonde okay... and she is da bomb!!
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You know I leave the boards for a little bit and you guys are over here discussing Jim Morrison, soul patches (which looks like chin pubes if you ask me), and blonds? The king thread has gone to hell in my absence.
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just waiting for you cami!
don't talk about yourself so much, we'll do that when you leave!
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Get the whip Cam!!!
Okay.........what does this mean?
Control - November 6th
Max's search leads to unexpected discoveries about himself, his position, and his son. Meanwhile, back in Roswell, Isabel and Jesse face the music.
His position?????????????
Can't wait to see what this is about. Might be nuthin', might be sumthin'. Don't think it's the paydirt, but seeing it did make my Roswellian heart flutter.
I am just SO damn sure of this theory I got stuck in my head.
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Hey, Fehr! Maybe we'll both get our theories realized! His position? His son? Maybe Michael IS King!!! And maybe his search finds something other than his son!!! Wouldn't we both be such happy campers!!
By the way, you're on my MSN Messenger list! See ya there sometime!
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Cam.... you really need to get kicking chica... I am so ready for some Kingly discussions... and did Mel hold up her part of the tape deal?? I know you have recieved mine??? Hmmmm Mel?...
Maria: "What are you two doing? Saving the world from alien invasion?"
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Ahhhhh.........remember I had packed up my whole life? That included VCRs. I do have one tape in the bag for Cam, but wanted to send at least 2 or 3 at a time. Now the problem is, even though I have unpacked the VCRs....I can't figure out how to hook them back up to tape from one to the other. I know....how hard can it be, but when I bought the new one I didn't notice it has these pluggy things in the front and well........my brother-in-law is going to have to make another trip over here. I have tried and tried, to the point of just about throwing the damn thing out the window. How is it that I can tell you how many friggin stars are what freakin galaxy and how far it is to get to said galaxy, but I can't hook up two VCRs to each other????? I feel stupid and didn't want to admit defeat, but the truth is....
I CAN'T DO IT. I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT. OMG I feel better getting that off my chest. Now all I have to do is work up the nerve to tell my brother-in-law that I unhooked them in the first place and now can't get them hooked back up. Why didn't I just put them both in one box together, all hooked up and all? DON'T answer that!
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it's ok fehr, we still love you!
don't talk about yourself so much, we'll do that when you leave!
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Pluggy things???? Mel you are so funny!! I have heard thought that very intelligent peeps lack common sense.. That was a joke dearie... I can help you out if needed... not with the pluggy things... I don't do those either.. but I can copy a mean tape!
Maria: "What are you two doing? Saving the world from alien invasion?"
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Well they aren't normals jacks! Hence....pluggy things.
The brother-in-law is coming over this weekend.
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Cool.... what's a jack??? Isn't he on Dawson's Creek???
Maria: "What are you two doing? Saving the world from alien invasion?"
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Michael is not king...Michael is not king...Michael is not king. Just thought I'd make an appearance on your "fantasy" thread. I must agmit...Michael is looking "FION!(fine).
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Oaky nsbaby.... are you any relation to msbaby??
Everyone's opinions are welcome!! I for one have to say all the small things are pointing at the one who is most definitely fine!!! It is amazing wht you can find when you really look... as for this all being a fantasy..... just don't wake me up please!!!
Maria: "What are you two doing? Saving the world from alien invasion?"
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The BABY is in the house!!! How's it going msbaby? Eyes doing better I hope. Well, you can see how FINE Michael is....so they must be doing somewhat better! Sorry babe...... Michael IS the king.........cuz.......It's Graceland and he's ELVIS!!!!!
Couldn't resist......sorry......
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This one I scanned in for BREW........
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msbaby
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Jennifer, yes I, nsbaby, and msbaby are all one in the same. I have to stop typing with my feet (smile).
Fehr is Fehr, I love ya, toots. Yes Michael is looking real delicious. I guess I am still in the "Keith Partridge" mose. It's the hair, babe. Although, I loved him at the bowling alley. I like a "thick" man. Like good gravy....he sticks to the ribs. Jason Behr's eyes...need I say more? Isn't lusting a sin? See ya at confession!!
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Are those little confessional booths big enough for 2? Or 3? Or 4?......... We'd be a regular parade!!!
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Proof of Kinglyness....
If you will look closely you will notice that the King in question has both shoes untied....
Only a King would refrain from paying attention to such menial tasks!! "Where is that handmadien of mine??? Jennifehr... come hither!"
Maria: "What are you two doing? Saving the world from alien invasion?"
Michael: "Is that gonna save you from kicking my ass?"
Tara
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Can't happen. Max was verified as the King in S2 remember "Meet the Dupes" 11-20-00 Episode #208.
When the guy shined the light on Max's head and he had the mark of the King etched into his brain. Sorry.
P.S. I think we have to give Max a break growing up is hard enough without everything on his plate. I would hate to think Micheal (hothead) was King. Don't get me wrong I adore them all.
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Isabel Is the Queen, Tess is the Warrior
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Added: Count the kills. Tess is up by about 100 to 1.
Sounds warrior-like to us.
And a later comment about never second-guessing what Jason will do
is true. He could spring anything on us if the plots get too tame.
And Emilie de Ravin is simply wandering from PR event and charity spot
to more PR events in L.A. per the images at:
wireimage.com/GalleryList...&logsrch=1
There must be some reason why she returned to
L.A. in August other than PR.
Remember Tess in the last 6 episodes of Season 1? And in season 2 how
Tess kept revealing still more power to resolve dire situations. She was able
to mindwarp Nicholas, and he called her "your genocidal girlfriend" in NYC.
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Great concept, but we heard that Tess is the Warrior, Isabel is the Queen.
Michael and Maxwell are decoys to protect Isabel:
gloryisagod.com/capturest...dfire.html
gloryisagod.com/capturesn...ister.html
gloryisagod.com/capturesi...isall.html
gloryisagod.com/capturesg...rhand.html
gloryisagod.com/capturesm...hegod.html
gloryisagod.com/comprehen...eview.html
gloryisagod.com/threedays...ydale.html
gloryisagod.com/threedays...dale2.html
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Michael & Maxwell EXPENDIBLE!!!???? NEVER!
Now, come on over to my house, boys, and I'll comfort you both after the shock that AWFUL statement must have been to you!!!
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i'll bake cookies! got milk?
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Ladies nothing is ever what it seems.... especially in Roswell. There is always room for speculation.
Maria: "What are you two doing? Saving the world from alien invasion?"
Michael: "Is that gonna save you from kicking my ass?"
Skovde
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I have to ask why would Nasedo, who was following Khivar's directive, want to bring back Max' child if he weren't the king? I think Nasedo would've known. It is an interesting topic to debate, as a "what if?"
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People PLEASE read the other threads before you comment on this subject! PLEASE.....alot of us are tired of repeating ourselves.......the above comment about Max being proved to be the king in Meet the Dupes came only a few post after going over that one AGAIN.....Please read before commenting. This is not a thread about blanket personal opinions. It is a thread that covers each ep, one by one.....Please respect the regular posters on this thread and read the previous threads before you just jump in. All the other threads are on the Archive board. Thank you.
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Isabel Is the Queen, Tess is the Warrior
We edited our original reply, deleting the "expendable" part.
We agree it is the unlikeliest plot twist that will occur.
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Count the kills. Tess is up by about 100 to 1.
Sounds warrior-like to us.
Remember Tess in the last 6 episodes of Season 1? And in season 2 how
Tess kept revealing still more power to resolve dire situations? She was able
to mindwarp Nicholas, and he called her "your genocidal girlfriend" in NYC.
And a later reply by someone about never second-guessing what Jason Katims will do
is true. He could spring anything on us if the plots get too tame.
And Emilie de Ravin is simply wandering from PR event and charity spot
to more PR events in L.A. per the images at:
(Type in 'emilie de ravin' to search for the chronological gallery if this doesn't pull it up)
wireimage.com/GalleryList...&PageNum=1
There must be some reason why she returned to L.A. in August other than PR.
Both Emilie & Majandra were at the 10/18/01 Playstation 2 Anniversary Party:
wireimage.com/GalleryList...&PageNum=1
wireimage.com/GalleryList...&PageNum=3
Search for others at this commercial site. Some images of events are very recent.
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Skovde
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The destination of the 4 links posted on the first page no longer exist.
Langley was playing coy all along with Max. After the second 'crash' that Langley had to experience, he did tell Max that he was aware of Liz, Isabel and his mom. Langley wanted to play it cool with Max so that he wouldn't discover that he could instruct him to follow direct orders. He knew all along who Max was, as did Nasedo. If there were any doubts in his mind, Nasedo would have brought home two babies, one from Tess and one from Isabel. He only brought one back to Khivar, and if he made a 'huge stretch' of a mistake, he would be toast.
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As long as I am in this thread I will live by the rules of this thread...Mikey can be my King for a little while - Max is on vacation with Lily.
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You are such a good sport Red......
Maria: "What are you two doing? Saving the world from alien invasion?"
Michael: "Is that gonna save you from kicking my ass?"
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On vacation w/Lily!!!????!!! She's on MSN right now! Oh, Lily! Let him talk to us, his royal subjects! Please, Please, Please!! Pretty Please!
Oh, & what if Max WERE King and Tess was his second on Antar - with her loyal followers who wanted her to be King! That would be motivation for her to try to take the King back to deliver him to his death! But, staying On Topic, she got the wrong guy & failed all the way around! Pretty far fetched, huh?
Oh, well...... I still think Michael would freak out right now if told he were the real King! Doesn't mean he's not - just that I don't think he'd be really into it at this time like he might have been in the past! Max, on the other hand, would probably be VERY relieved & pass the torch - no problem! But that "son" thing would still be out there. I still don't believe that "message" was from his son. Nope, I just don't believe it!
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Nesado didn't bring anybody anywhere! He was dead! And to tell the truth...I think Tess played a hand in that....how convienient....and she said he made a deal....then why did Nesado go to Max and tell him the Skins were among them with his dying breath??? Getting pregnant.... Tess did that number on her own......As already stated they are laboring under an assumption.....that Max is king, Isabel his sister, Tess as Max's wife and Michael as the second and leader of an army. It is only an assumption......Perhaps planned that way by the very people who sent them. I don't think Tess knows the truth.......
Max is usually calm, thinks things through, doesn't make rash decisions, plans, plots, prepares......
The description of the Antarian king by all who knew him have stated that he was selfish, abrupt, rash, made bad decisions, ect, ect, ect.......Is that Max?????? Courtney...who had no loyalty to the king....stated that the second in command could bring peace to their people......IS THAT MICHAEL??? To me it sounds alot more like Max.
Think about it.
That description of the king on Antar much better suits Michael, before he met and fell in love with Maria and met people who care about him and have made sacrifices for him, like Liz, Alex and Kyle. Even Amy has shown Michael respect...all of which have changed him over time. Perhaps that was the lesson he was sent here to learn.
As for the links not working.....those were to the threads when they were still n this board....they have been moved to the Archive baord. I will change the links.
Did any of you know who killed Laura Palmer?
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I don't think Nasado was in on any plot, either. I think Tess made the deal herself - Possibly when they were in New York.
Also, Max has more control over his powers - something a military person would be skilled at.
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The links are all changed.......
I have an overwhelming and compelling urge to post this, so I will!!!
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Ok I've been thinking about this more and although I know no one cares I will share my thoughts anyways. I think Max will be king because I don't think that she show will go on long enough for it to be revealed that Michael is the true king. It seems they are concentrating on the search for Max and Tess' child and the human side of things, so although they may have been planning on making Michael king, (and I think they were, from that story you told fehr) they dropped it. Ok so that really isn't any proof just speculation, but hey I told you wouldn't care about this post and if you choose to read it anyways that is your too bad...
Well besides that I must say that...I think that everything that has been said about the king discribes Max (season 1, 2, and 3 Max (want me to explain I will...tomorrow). BUT those descriptions do describe Rath...(sorry as I said I see Michael through Rose color glasses and he will do no wrong with me(well except...sorry spoiler related...))
I find it weird that EVERYONE important to the royal four would not be able to Max and Michael apart...Nicholas, Nasedo(well I think he might have known,), Tess, Courtney, Larek, the other aliens at the summit, and the other shapshifter. How can all those people be that stupid?
~Arista~
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Ferh- You made me all Horny seeing Michael's lips move like that! Shame on you!
~Arista~
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The meeting in NY was important enough to have the King at and when Zan wouldn't go, another clue that Max is King because the dupes thought that Zan was the King AND when Zan said no thats when they killed him and looked for Max. The King had to make a decision at the summit meeting, not a decoy, thats why they had the test so they KNEW they were talking with the King. And Max is turning into all those things they said the King was. Like Langley said, embrace you're human side if you embrace your alien side you will lose everything. So the more he pursues who he was the more he becomes who he was - that very unlikable person we keep hearing about. Same with Michael, when he made the decision to stay on earth he embraced his human side and he has almost become a totally different person. He let his humanity or feelings in and he shows that. Langley also believes Max was the King because he compared him to the King, yet another person who confirms Max is King.
Fehr - Just because I haven't commented on this thread much before this don't assume I haven't been lurking from time to time. I just don't agree with you that the seal would've been faked on Max, thats why I used that as a point earlier. Just because you believe its fake doesn't make it so. We're all entitled to our opinions. Don't mean to sound harsh.
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Arista the peeps in NY weren't stupid....it's just that none of them look like they did on the home planet.
Adult fan you don't sound harsh, but I still contend there is no REAL proof that Max is king....just because someone says it....doesn't mean it's so. That is the whole problem I have with this storyline......none of them look like they did on the home planet....none of them had a clue who or what they are.....except Lonnie/Vonnie(there's a toss on what to call her)....the NY dupe, who said she remembered what it was like to be Vilandra......I speculate that the NY dupes were in the original order and were who they were supposed to be, but I think the podsquad were all switched around.....no one being who they are supposed to be. And as for Michael's change.....it was happening LONG before he decided to stay on Earth, as far back as season 1. It has been a slow and gradual change....not one that just happened with his decesion to stay on Earth.
And as far as the Dupes go.....Tess was part of that crew...I really think Nesado or someone switched Tess and Ava'a pods....Ava seemed to be much more like the Pod squad. All the Dupes were shifty and kinda cut throat...even Zan, who caused that poor vendor's fruit to spill all over the street as a distraction as Vonnie/Lonnie emptied their cash register.... And Ava said she never felt that Zan really loved her back...that he was waiting or looking for someone else.....TESS. Not Liz as some have speculated.
From the very beginning Michael has had much more insight than Max or Isabel. He has visions, he knows things about the map, he knows things about the healing stones, he knows how to figure out how to contact Nesado.......he was aloof and cast the impression he was above it all.....never seeming to think he needed anyone's permission to do anything......Michael was the first one out of the pods.....he is the first person in the Destiny book....although I admit they may read from bottom to top, no proof, but since most of the watching world reads top to bottom.......All the forshadowing indicates Michael is the king, but the majority of people ONLY see or want to see or are only capable of seeing... what the writers and directors want them to see. They are saying one thing...but the indication is that something entirely different is the case......
And besides.....the look on KKB's face in Philly was.....
I know it's all in how ya look at it.....and nothing I or anyone else thinks or says is proof of squat...but I have never just readily swallowed any plotline and am actually pretty damn good at figuring out a mystery or plotline....I've called many a storyline that others looked at me like I had grown two heads....so if you don't agree with me, that's okay....I have faith in my theory.
It's Graceland and he's Elvis.
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OK I missed the thing about KKB's face in Philly. Did you pose the question to him about Michael being king? I would've loved to see that!!!
the sex/baby is a mindwarp...the sex/baby is a mindwarp...the sex/baby is a mindwarp...
Skovde
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Fehr, certainly this topic/thread is not a whimsical fantasy. You have pointed out credible reasons that could lead one to conclude that there is more to the royal 4 than we are currently aware. However, such a dramatic change in the story is going to have to face many counterpoints based on conflicting evidence. The history of their departure from their home world begins with their death. The royal 4 had supporters that fled their home and hybridized the 4 into human bodies. We donıt know any major details about how or why they were transported from point A (4 dead aliens on Antar) to point B (crashed ship with 4 hybridized aliens in Roswell). Nasedo and Langley were on that ship and probably should be aware of who is king. It would be a stretch to envision that a separate group of one or two protectors switched bodies and holograms in Maxı head, without Nasedo and Langleyıs knowledge. There is the issue of the intense and passionate dreams that Michael and Isabel experienced in season 1. If Isabel is, in fact, Vilandra, then she would have had those dreams with Max and not her brother Michael, the king. I feel that it is safe to assume that Isabel is Vilandra. If not, then Tess would be Vilandra, and Max her husband. What would that imply, Liz taking the place of a detrimental royal 4 member and infusing the four with new strength and cohesion?
It is possible that Tess was working on her own desire and made a deal with the skins/Khivar in NYC. From Khivarıs point of view, all that matters is that he has one less member of the royal 4 to deal with. The whole ³bring me Maxı son² line could be just a ruse to bring internal conflict among the royal 4. Or, maybe she is Vilandra and Khivar just wants her back home. Personally, I think that Nasedoıs deal is more likely to be true. I think that their hybrid nature injected a dose of feelingı that perhaps was lacking, as in Langley. It might be this human mix that is creating uncertainty in the manner in which they are perceived by others.
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OMB!! Mel! I was just poppin by to find you and give you a shout-out, and look what i found... Well, i have to tell you guys, this is not just passing thought, Mel has many points to back up her theory! : Look out guys!! :
Well i just came by to say Hi! :wave: and tell ya I miss ya, and hope your doing well..
later sweetie...
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First off .............they were genetically engineered. The DNA from their dead selves was mixed with living DNA from humans......that is when I think the seal was put on Max's head...... As for Langley and or Nesado knowing the truth....I don't think they do....as already stated a thousand times before....NONE of them look like they did back home....Above all else, I think protecting the royal for was the top priority....Look at the two protectors that came with them.....one abandoned them and went to Hollyweird....the other couldn't seem to find them until they were 16 years old! With the safety and well being of the royal four and most importantly the king, as the prime objective.....the less the protecors knew about who was who, the better. That way the protectors would supposedly look after all of them equally....but the poor podsquad got a couple of duds as their protectors. With protectors like that....who needs Skins?????
I think the dreams that Michael and Isabel had were ochestrated by Tess....or Nedaso. Tess came on the scene right off mind warping Max....perhaps they thought if they could get Michael and Isabel together...they could get Max to follow suit.
Truthfully, I waver on who I think is Michael's sister. Some days I am sure it is Iz...others...Tess....well actually Ava. . Although I really do think that Tess was Congresswoman Whitaker's daughter....another of my whacked out theories.
Hey ROX! So good to see you. Hope you are fine as frog's hair.
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When Ferh is Ferh brought this topic up to me months ago I immediately created a thread for everyone to discuss the possibilities. The more I watch the more convinced I become. I urge all of you to read the previous threads. Rewatch the first 2 seasons and see for yourself. The evidence is quite compelling. And for those of you that disagree, bring forth your evidence to support your theories. Open a discussion for debate. As always we respect one another and their prespectives. So welcome all new posters, and share your thoughts.
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But no..... "he said...she said..."
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Skovde
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A more accurate subject title for this post.
This is where things get hazy, the method of hybridization. I think there was more to it than just the mingling of DNA. I feel that there was something else, say their essence, that was also involved in this hybrid mixture. One reason I feel this way is because memory isnıt storedı in DNA sequences. They all seem to have had some recollection of their home world. The fact that they probably do appear much different than they did back home also leads one to deduce that there must be some other method of determining their identity, maybe they have unique auras that the skins (e.g. Nicholas) can visualizeı. As for the Royal Insignia that was revealed in Max; my inclination is that it was unique to Maxı royal soul/essence and that it couldnıt be counterfeited. Donıt get me wrong, I think that there are a lot of good points to be made about Michael being the king and of course Iım sure the story could be pretzel-ized in this direction. The way the story has progressed, it is simpler to follow the Max as king point of view; it requires less pretzel twisting.
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Actually...it is being studied as we speak....wether any memories are carried genectically. There is compelling evidence that, that is the case. Real memories...not genetic imprinting, which most species carry, made through years, decades, centuries, milennium....of repeated actions, such as hunting for food, ect. Those things are imprinted genectically, but are not the same as memories...Transplant patients sometimes report having cravings for foods they never cared for before their surgery...liking a specific song they didn't care for or had never heard before...bizarro stuff, but stuff I believe none the less.
Essence....hmmmmm.........I know that's what the momogram said, but I can't begin to tell you how they might go about extracting one's essence....But I have to disagree with you about them all remembering things from their other life, because they didn't.....until Tess and Nesado showed up, which makes it HIGHLY suspect to me. Yes, Isabel recognised the symbol on the necklace from Atherton's...but she did not have any memories to assocciate with it. Max also was able to draw it and Michael recognised it too....but none of them could make a solid recollection of anything from it or associated to it. Michael has knowledge as far as knowing how to navigate the map and symbols, that the healing stones fit into the cave painting, ect....but NO rememberances of his LIFE on the home planet. Max only had them with Tess's memory retrival help. And Isabel has none...except for the dreams she is going to have of Kivar, this week....which to me are not from her past, but from the here and now.
And how about that device Brody had going off when Michael was a good fifty feet away? Knocking him down and breaking a couple of ribs...... Max practically had his hand on the damn thing and nothing happened.
It wouldn't take much to reveal that Michael is or was the king. There are tons of incidents, forshadowing and evidence to support it....truly....I think it would be rather easy.
Max has played counsel to Michael and covered for Michael more times than we can all count.....
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After reading through the recent posts... I had come up with a lot of critical points I wanted to touch on and then that little teaser you posted Mel!!! !!
Turned my brain to mush and I just sat in front of my computer mesmerized by what I saw... yeah, just like a naughty little peeping tom!!
Now I can't remember a single thing.. except Michael is King and damn I would give my.... well I would give arista his pants if I could have on of those kisses!! !!
Maria: "What are you two doing? Saving the world from alien invasion?"
Michael: "Is that gonna save you from kicking my ass?"
Skovde
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FisF, I suppose some theories could be considered 'whacked out' , on the other hand they could be thoughtfully formulated. I mentioned before that this Michael as the real exiledı king of Antar is not a whimsical fantasy, you have posed an interesting question and have some evidence to back it up.
That said, I have to stress my feeling that Roswell is definitely a show with *soul*. You wanted me to explain how an alien race would combine their alien essence with a human body to create these hybrids. First off, I would have to point out all the other alien abilities. How does Tess mind-warp, how does Isabel dream-walk, how does Max heal, how does Michael kill, how do aliens abductı Brody and control him from light years away??? Our 20th century science probably canıt quite explain all these things.
The scene where Max allows Liz grandmotherıs soulı to converse with them can be associated with the hybridization process. How was Max able to do that? I donıt know, but the fact the he could leads me to believe that the more capable alien race would be able to hybridize alien essences with human bodies. They probably had more resources aboard that ship than the novice teen hybrid Max. Max and Liz were presented as possible soul-matesı in her grandmaıs eyes. Max and Liz looked into each otherıs souls, according to Max while conversing with Kyle. They merged souls and flew across light years of space. Liz was able to peer into Nasedoıs essence where she saw turmoil and darkness. These instances speak of this enigmatic 'alien' essence.
The scene where Max was revealed to have the Royal Hologram/Insignia/Seal had a feeling of drama and suspense because of the nature of this procedure. It was a special process, because it was unique. If the Royal Seal could be easily counterfeited, then there would be no reason to have this dramatic sequence.
How do we view Max and Michael during their tenure as leaders on Antar. If Michael were indeed the headstrong king detached from his people, then I would view Max more as a sage and advisor and not as a military commander. I would picture Max more as a Merlin or Gandalf and not as Alexander the Great. On the other hand, based on Larekıs comments, I would see Max as a visionary who sought to create a better world only to be usurped by those who would prefer to maintain the status quo. I would picture Michael as having the military role that the second in command is purported to have.
If Max was a caring and concerned king, wouldnıt the skins try to make Max believe that he would be better off remaining on Earth. Accuse him of causing the trouble back home because he was a reckless and selfish person. Then they could approach Michael and try to break the royal 4 apart from within. Get Courtney to convince Michael that he is the better leader. Why should we not question her credibility? She was going to lose her husk anyway, so it was no big deal that she would leave her earth bound husk. They pried the 4 apart before, by way of Vilandra. I could imagine that they would employ the same tactics.
This kind of discussion is helpful in that it aids in solidifying our perception of a story that has many unanswered questions. It is a story that looks at an event that occurred in 1947. There is a 40-50 year bridge in that story that could fill pages. Who was on that ship that crashed? How did it crash, were Khivarıs goons somehow responsible? What struggle ensued after the crash? We know that there was an earthly military to deal with, but what about any internal conflict? Was there a mini civil war on the ship itself that carried over on the ground for 40 years? This may have stalled the hybridization process. In order to put a modern spin on this story, it had to have this long gap. It would be interesting to see just what happened over that time....Skovde
roxmc
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Hey Mel! Just poppin back in to catch up on the confusion that is The Theory
Glad to see your keepin the Dream alive.
also wanted to congratulate you on the BF pic thingy... i remember the day you fixed that pic.. :cool: and now it's in the hands of your king.. : : to bad they did not give him a run down of your theory..
Well, i'm glad you seem to be doing well.. you'll probly see alot of OTO activity over the next few weeks.. FF probs..
Take care and keep fighting the good fight..?
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On top of everything that was said in the above posts. Roswell was based on the Roswell High books. If you read the books then you know everyone is who they think they are. The only difference being Michael was told he had no family left only to find out about a brother who was hidden away. The brother is who they send back to rule Antar so the others can stay on earth with the only people they know and love. The series has stayed fairly true to the books with the exception of the Valentis, who are now a part of the group but in the books Kyle was committed and the Sheriff was killed off. But the Sheriff was more like Pierce in the books. Anyway my point is the main characters are the same as the books. BTW whats wrong with Michael being in charge of the armies? Thats pretty noble in itself.
the sex/baby is a mindwarp...the sex/baby is a mindwarp...the sex/baby is a mindwarp...
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Only have a sec...I'm at work....stuffing my lunch in my face!
Hey ROX!!!! I can't tell you how excited I was to hear Brendan liked the pic I made!!! How lucky am I and ibshafer that moondragon had a copy of it with her????? And to think....now he has it. I know of the FF troubles and hope to see you guys over here.
First off...........
The powers that
Max, Michael, Isabel and Tess have.....are HUMAN abilities...not alien. Rewatch White Room.
The books are no where like the series. I read them all and have found the show to be completely different. There was NO Tess..there WAS Adam.....M&M weren't a couple til the very last pages......Max, Michael and Isabel were not royalty. To name only a few of the major differences.
I really have alot more to say.....but no time to say it now. I'll be back.....
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So CAM were you surprised that it was Michael who finally remembered what really happened....as far as Vilandra/Isabel betraying them all???? Why is it he remembered and not Max...considering all the memory retrival techiques that Tess taught Max???
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I don't believe Tess was helping Max retrieve memories I think she was implanting ones. In other words mindwarping him.
the sex/baby is a mindwarp...the sex/baby is a mindwarp...the sex/baby is a mindwarp...
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EXACTLY!
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I have to admitt. I never give this topic a chance. I've read the posts and thought that you guys were grasping at straws.... Last night eppi when michael remembered what happened and not max it got me thinking you guys might have been right all along..... or he just remember his love for vilandra and new she did not be tray them?
I do not know anymore......
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Why would you think just because Michael remembered and Max didn't would mean Michael is king? Iz struggling with Vilandra trying to take over and Max struggling with Zan trying to take over.... their "other" selves matched the king's and his sister's personalities. I think Michael may have overcome his when he made the decision to stay or maybe his is yet to come.
I just don't think Michael will turn out to be king. Just can't see them going that way. All their personalities are the same as what was written in the books, except I think Iz is a little toned down or no one would like her. Can you imagine if they did an ep. on Iz dreamwalking all the guys in school so they would vote her homecoming queen? OMG the Isabel Haters would've been screaming for blood, of course when Michael and Alex fixed her for that they would have loved it.
the sex/baby is a mindwarp...the sex/baby is a mindwarp...the sex/baby is a mindwarp...
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Ferh is Ferh...the instant Michael said he remembered Vilandra and what had happened, I fell off my futon, my mouth hit the floor and I screamed, "There's the absolute proof, Mel!"
With every passing episode I become more & more convinced that Michael is the true king. He possesses knowledge that no one else seems to know. He is brash and stubborn and feels he answers to no one, no law or man. There is an arrogance about him. Not one of blatant superiority as much as imbreeded dominance. (Does that make sense?) He does his own thing. He seeks the counsel of Max, but will defy him and ultimately do what he wishes. Does not sound like the personality of a second in command to me? Plus Max's personality is one of a protector. He makes his decisions on rash contemplation. Carefully planning his next move, strategic like you would expect a commander to be.
Anyway...I have just moved. I still have some last minutes things to do to my old place before I am officially moved out. In my new apartment, I have a little office and my first order of business was to get my PC up & running. Of course I did not get my phone service until tonight. So here I am. Exhausted and really needing to unpack and find my cups so I can stop drinking straight from the water gallon jug like some heathen. But instead I am here, trying to get my fix of the boards. Making my shout outs to my fellow Roswellians. And obsessing over my favorite thread. I promise to try to come around more often. I am bursting with theories and I love a good debate. So until then...keep sharing your thoughts....
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CAM!!!! Congrats on your new digs!!!
Moving is so exhausting...try to pace yourself at the unpacking thang.
Adultfan...the reason I think many may have seen Michael's memory of what happened as yet more evidence he is the actual king is because....Alot of people have been waiting a long time for this confrontation between Kivar and Max...but Max and Kivar DIDN'T have a confrontation. I found it to be rather ANTI climatic...Michael rememered what happened.....not Max. Why would that be? As already pointed out, Michael has always had more on the ball in that respect than Max...but in this case it REALLY sticks out, because here is the person responsible for their deaths........and Max had no recall of it. Also I don't think it was JUST this, as you said, that made anyone think Michael is the king...I think it is a combination of MANY things.
I now think my original assumption was right all along...Michael is King, Isabel his sister, Tess his bride, and Max his second and betrothed to Isabel. That was my original thought when I first was hit over the head with this idea of Michael actually being the king.......
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I knew I'd forget something!
Adultfan you keep mentioning the books...but the television series is so UNLIKE the books
I can't figure out why you keep bringing it up. The show's characters are losely based on the books...and that's it...the story is different. The personalities of the characters are alot different. Valenti was a bad guy in the books and got killed early on. Kyle went bonkers. Maria looked more like Tess in the books than the Maria we see on our TVs every week. Michael wasn't a complete jerk in the books...although he isn't on the show anymore, mostly. Max and Liz were very different...Max was blonde and blue eyed in the books. Liz had a sister who committed suicide in the books. There was another alien who owned the UFO center who eventually left it to Michael, and Michael although not thrilled...was not in an abusive family situation. Michael and Maria were very good friends in the books. Max and Isabel shared a pod in the books...they did seem to be siblings...but I find it interesting in the show they DID NOT share a pod...leaving the question wide open as to wether or not they are sibs and it has been hinted at and blatantly stated MANY times that Isabel feels toward Michael as a sibling. In the books none of them were royalty of any kind..........In short I just don't see how the books have anything to do with what's happening on the show...they are two COMPLETELY different stories.
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Camlaw
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Ferh is Ferh, I totally agree with you on the lack of confrontation with Kivar. I was like this is the big bad Kivar we have been worried about for so long? Which makes me wonder if there is not more to the story. I am not sure that Tess was Michael's wife, & not Max's. But if that is the case then that ends up making the whole Dupes episode just down right creepy. Lonnie & Rath getting all....ANYWAY! I am curious to see what other indications will surface in tomorrow night's episode. The volatile emotions of Michael and its effect on his powers makes me completely curious as to what other kingly characteristics are to be revealed?
Skovde
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(11/27/01 5:47:58 pm)
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This topic has the characteristic of a splinter that gets stuck just under one's fingernail, at first you think ³well itıs no big deal² but, well, it just sits there . I am going to look at it like a mangy dog that is shaking an old rag in its jowls. I guess for the most part Iıll be addressing FisFıs posts. If you can get through the whole post, try not to react until you reach the end, and take it jovially...
So, letıs face it, Michael is kingı of this thread. No matter what evidence to the contrary might be revealed by the continuing saga, Michael is king in this thread. If the story reveals that Michael is the real king, then you can rejoice and yet if the story never acknowledges this as a fact, then you got yourself covered by saying that there was not enough time to divulge this truth. If the story expressly indicates that Max was the ruler at the time of exile, then there must be some way to explain it away. Is there just a little more somethingı to being da king as opposed to a military leader?
So according to Nasedoıs comments to Max, they are essentially human. Ok, I still want an explanation as to how they are able to perform extraordinary acts. And why are we to believe anything that Nasedo has to say? The mom-o-gram was phony, Nasedo was phony, Tess was warping everyoneIt all comes down to picking and choosing what to believe depending on oneıs desire. This kind of fudging could influence me to proclaim that not one of these hybrids is from a royal court. They are all part of a alien college fraternity hazing prank. Max and Michael were just new members of an alien frat that had too much too drink and got stuck on earth.
Michael remembered a specific event, Khivarıs murder of the royal 4. Most likely, that event wasnıt encoded into his DNA, rather his essenceı. Wouldnıt the guy in charge of military and conflict be on the front linesı even in a negotiating stance? Maybe it was the military guy that was taken out first and being the husband of Vilandra, was more in on her relations with Khivar. Or maybe Tess was hiding in the bushes somewhere; the ubiquitous mind-warper planting this phony evidence.
Letıs look at Tess as the convenient piece of the puzzle to explain everything away. If Tess had such a vastly superior ability, without ramifications, then she would be the ruler of Antar, bar none. I canıt envision her as having this much influence over the royal 4. I believe that she had limitations and that the royal 4 wouldıve had some kind of innate defense against this kind of mental penetration.
As for Courtney and the skins; their mission could have been formulated to include this prodding of Michael to believe that there was a division back home between Max and himself. They could have scripted the entire outcome.
*****HERE IS THE BIG QUESTION!*****
So why does this topic evoke a response of this nature; perhaps it has a lot to do with the perception of these alien hybrids, specifically as humans with alien essencesı. There have been many instances where this alien aspect has played an important role in the story. To say that this intangible quality doesnıt exist or is not consequential to the story would leave me feeling disappointed. To pull off this kind of switch-a-roo, to me, would be a little jilting, though it could very well be done.
P.S: As for explaining things away, I was hoping to hear Isabel explain to Jesse that what he witnessed was really a weather balloon , not a wormhole. Putting aside all of these hypotheticalsı, I tend to believe the structure of the story as it is being presented.
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Before I start I want to make sure anyone and everyone who reads this and other posts by me....That I am and will always be Behrian. Sometimes I think my username tricks people into thinking I am 100% Fehrian...and nothing else. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I became Fehrian much later....
I've been a fan of Jason's since Sherman Oakes.
<<<<------Take a lookie there.
That's the tattoo I got to show the world my devotion to Mr. Behr.
It means much more than that and there is an explanation of the MOB (Mark Of the Behr) on the MOB thread on FF.
Skovde I'm not sure I understand this part of your post..... There have been many instances where this alien aspect has played an important role in the story. To say that this intangible quality doesnıt exist or is not consequential to the story would leave me feeling disappointed.
Who said it didn't exist? I missed something....
As for Nesado and to believe or not believe what he said about the powers Max, Michael, Isabel and Tess have......I have never believed that Nesado made a deal with the skins. Why would he have gone to Max as he died, to warn him, if he was in fact in league with the skins? Simply put, the powers they have are human, advanced several thousands of years. I think that is why Liz and eventually Kyle will have stronger powers, because that part of them has been awakened. The pod squad are clearly more human than alien....IMO. Yet I do think being part alien makes their powers stronger or is why they can control them somewhat...well...Michael is learning to.
Courtney is a different story. Whatever she did or didn't do, I don't think she was in on anything with the other skins. She sacrificed herself, rather than devulge the location of the Granolith....you may say she was going to die at Nicholas' hands anyway...but why keep their secret and protect them, if she truly was not what she said she was???
I understand that it is easier to just accept the story as it is being presented....but any truly great show is full of twists, turns, unexpected events and down right shocking revelations. That I think, is why I LOVED Twin Peaks SO much. Almost nothing was as it was presented or appeared to be......
Can I ask...Have you watched each episode, taken notes, and looked at it as if you didn't have any preconceived notions? I honestly never thought anything other than what they put in front of me until Harvest. Then...I HAD to go rewatch ALL the eps thus far and was very surprised I had missed so many blatant clues and out and out screaming foreshadowing.
I know you have read this before but.........
When Michael asked..."What is this?"
And Maria said.......
"It's Graceland...and you're Elvis."
I screamed............
"OMG!!! Michael is the king....not Max!!! OMG!!!"
My neighbors, I'm sure, were ready to call the men in little white coats...because I mean...I SCREAMED it.
Then I went and started rewatching ALL my tapes.
The rest ....for me....is history.
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TWIN PEAKS?! Oh how I loved that show! One of my biggest pet peeves is predictability of a movie/tv show and Twin Peaks was one of those ones you could NEVER predict. My aunt & I were completely addicted to the show. We relentlessly searched for tapes of missed episodes. We sat there glued to the TV when it was on, shushing anyone that came into the room. You could not miss a word. And every little item had meaning. Oh it was a wild, wonderful show! That David Lynch is completely out of his mind, but I like him for it.
Skovde
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You are right, there may have been subtle nudges in past episodes and some offer intriguing if not compelling evidence to support your theory, and it is a good theory . On the other hand, maybe they could be 'red herrings'. I would even agree that it would be a real zinger if the story had begun with the intention to misdirect the viewers as to who was the king. I'm trying not to look at it as actor vs. actor or character vs. character. For me, it boils down to the presentation of the story. I feel that much of who and what these hybrids are is very much integral to their alien essence.
Their *memories* and their *identities* are not tangible sequences of alien DNA; rather they are inexorably linked to their alien 'essence', as was Max royal hologram.
If there is the intent to divulge Michael as the real king, then the story should've been presented in a more facilitating manner. I may be taking these things for granted, but I think that if the story includes scenes such as the royal hologram exposure, it is a scene that is explicit and revealing and not likely to be a misleading 'red herring'. The episode that contrasts Max and JFK, comparing decisions that leaders make in adverse times also places Max in this role.
I have been a viewer since day 1, though I have never taken notes.
Did I mention that It's a Good Theory
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Like I said....I know it is easier to accept what is put in front of you..........
Cam we need to talk about Twin Peaks.
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By the time I read Fehr and Cam's posts I am so wanting to watch all my tapes that I forget what it was I was going to post..... (no this is not an excuse Cam!!) I love reading their posts.....
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Hey Cam...........NEVER predict? That's a bit strong. I knew who killed Laura Plamer in the first five minutes of the show. Honest. But then it took me a year and a half to find out for sure I was right.
I love the Log Lady!
"My log has a message for you. Would you like me to interpret?"
"My log does not judge..........
Tell me, has there EVER been so whacked a character??? Well other than Leland/Bob.
I bought the first season box set......and the box is decorated like a log!!!
Jen did you ever see this freakfest of a show? You would have loved it.
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No.. I was never a Twin Peaks fan.... but I suppose that could change... I will have to join in with you and Cam.... and you can get me hooked..
"Cool, cool. My day is never truly complete until I've been threatened by an alien."
Skovde
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I'm still sifting through this topic, it is rather large and thoughts sort of trickle down like sands in an hourglass. Generally speaking I let the story reveal info, I realize that not everything has to be concrete and I am aware of that Twin Peaks/David Lynch style.
I want to look more closely at Courtney, a primary pillar of this theory. We know that the skins were running short of time, for whatever reason. They offered the explanation that new husks were needed in order to remain on the planet. What if there were another totally unrelated cause for their need to evacuate the planet. Their primary mission was to kill the royal 4. In case of failure, their backup plan might have been to try to drive a wedge between Max and Michael. This does coincide with a post on the first page (divide the group...), yet it involves Max and Mike. The whole husk excuse couldıve just been a decoy, maybe covering for other troubles/problems that are more problematic for the skins. Maybe they were short of time because of other resource consuming problems back in their galactic neck of the woods. Courtney may have just been smashing decoys that the skins had set up for Michael to see; and why are we to believe that she actually died? Itıs not even clear if they all died when Tess nukedı their husks. They could have been experimenting with Kivarıs wormhole technology. It could have been placed right over the school, or it might have been linked to that temporal field that the humans were pulled into. If we accept that Tess were somehow involved with the skins, then even she might be in on the deception.
The skinıs goal was to eliminate the royal 4. Explaining the hologram swithc as being a decoy is a stretch. I could see if there were hundreds or thousands of alien refugees then a decoy would be worth implementing. But it is pretty easy to kill the correct hybrid when you only have two choices, unless there was a shortage of bullets . I feel that the extent of using decoys applies only to the dupes in NY.
As for Nasedo, I feel that even he appeared to devote more time to Max, trying to instruct him as if he were the main concern. Now I would be more likely to believe that Nasedo wanted Max to be the main man, and therefore he put the royal seal into his form. But I so do not like messing around with that royal insignia scene . To me it is more of a royal 'birthmark' rather than a royal tattoo. Maybe some J.B. fans would like to volunteer for further investigation into that question
The idea that the hybrids were shuffled like a deck of cards in order to confuse their enemies seems hollow. To me it is like trying to shuffle 4 cards, red, green, blue and yellow, into a random deck. I feel that there essencesı would represent a unique color that really couldnıt be shuffled into obscurity, it would be pointless. My feelings hinge on the importance of this alien essence (as I have stressed, perhaps a bit too much).
I also feel comfortable in assuming that Isabel really is Vilandra, especially after the honeymoon episode.
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Whitaker said she had a fifty/fifty chance figuring out which female hybrid was which...since none of them look like they did back home.
Sorry this is so short but I am SO tired. A long real life stuff day......
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Well, you have to admit that fans of Roswell have been through the ringer. There have been many disheartening rumors flying around over the past two years concerning the show. That and all the other voices of despair over the storyline might provoke fans to be a bit over protective of the show and our perceptions of the story and characters. I'm sure anyone who might read these boards has a few scenes/episodes that resonate in them more deeply than others. In my perception of the story, Max in the Cityı was an episode that really stands out. The scenes in the sewers, when Max is being presented to the ambassador and where he is revealed to have the royal hologram were absolutely *perfect*. I just donıt want anyone or anything to mess with this scene. Itıs similar to letting someone whack you in the funny bone, you just canıt help but to start hopping around and saying ooh ooh no no
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Skovde...Your points of argument really intrigue me. But as I have learned in the past from previous shows and my own personal life experience, not everything is as it appears to be. Where you saw the Max in the City episode as the one that really defines Max as the king, I find the episode contained too many loop holes to be sure of anything. Why two sets of pods? Why were the Dupes stored where they were stored? How come it was so easy for them to kill Zan? Who was their protector? How come Zan was contacted & not Max for this little summit? And what in the world happened to Tess when she "disappeared"? And who is to say that they all do not possess the royal seal in their minds? No one else had been tested. How did the Dupes know what they supposedly knew? Was their past lives told to them by the skins?
I could go on & on with my questions. But let me concentrate on their personalities. Max has the personality of a leader to a degree. He is diplomatic and methodical and always struggles to keep the peace. He challenges yet counsels Michael on life. He knows just the right buttons to push and what avenues or coersion work on Michael. BUT...he does not seem to possess the knowledge of anything from thier past lives. He has to have things explained to him. It was Isabel that recognized the necklace symbol. It was Michael that read the map in the cave, figured out how to contact Nasedo, and knew what really happened between Vilandra and Kivar in their previous lives. Michael also possesses the skepticism of trusting others and where Max tends to trust too many. Michael challenges any type of authority figure head on, where as Max tends to cower from it. Michael is bold and arrogant and follows his own rules. Max's nature is to please others, blend in and not be noticed. Until recently Max has always shyed away from risk where Michael has always ran towards it.
Skovde, I thoroughly enjoy your posts! You challenge me to think. And I love a good debate. With this theory really being Ferh is Ferh's baby, I tend to let her argue the more indepth scientific aspects. So I will let her tackle the essence angle of your theory. I honestly do not think thier essence could be as easily detected as you describe. People are complicated enough as it is, without mixing in a little Alien "essence". So I find it hard to believe that the royal four would be so easily detected.
OK Ferh is Ferh, I honestly had no clue who killed Laura Palmer until the episode they revealed it. And when they did I was like, DUMB ASS! They had all the clues there the entire time. But what can I say? I was high school at the time and not as bright as I am today.
I have never seen the 2 hour pilot. And since it has been so long since I watched the show, only a few characters and scenes stick out to me. I was in LOVE with the character of James. That motorcycle & leather jacket with the oh so bad boy image but really a sweet heart underneath. He had a James Dean quality about him. So desperate & misunderstood and YUMMY. ....Another character, the FBI coroner I think he was. The bald headed guy that was such a smart ass and jerk. But I adored him to. Man, how I would love to see all those episodes again. Where did you buy them Ferh is Ferh?
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I think the Dupes were originally placed as decoys away from the true R4. They were more arogant and noticable. Perhaps naturally given more info about themselves to spur on their deception. I don't think they knew THEY were the Dupes, however, as Lonnie kept refuting that! And Rath seemed very surprised when the Royal Seal showed up in Max' test. I think he thought it would only be in Zan & that would be what would blow their plan.
Their obvious prior relationship with Nicholas leaves a lot of possibilities open. Those in the council probably had no idea that there were 2 sets & never knew about Zan. I don't think Larek did, either. His interactions had always been with Max, so he wouldn't have suspicioned anything when he & Tess showed up. Although I would think he would've questioned Lonnie & Rath since he also knew Isabel & Michael. :/
The dupes would decoy any other aliens away from the R4 because of their higher visibility - and I think that plan worked until the R4 set the orbs off! That was what Nesado was trying to warn them about in the cave. They didn't know who else they might contact & alert to their existance! I think the Skins were already aware of the Dupes AND the EXISTANCE of the R4 before the signal - perhaps through a spy when they were engineered - because I STILL think Tess & Ava's pods were switched purposefully when they were recued from Area 51. I think that's why Ava was so different from the rest - with the ability for compassion and less alien in nature -perhaps the true R4 had a bigger dose of human DNA to allow for those traits. Nesado nor Kal seemed to possess the full range of those human traits & Courtney indicated that the Skins were rather ruthless in nature. Lonnie & Rath reminded Ava that they only put up with her because she was "with" Zan (although Ava stated she always felt Zan was looking for someone else) and even threatened to "off" her, too, if she didn't go along with them - probably would've if she'd gone back to NYC with them since Tess was there. I don't think Nesado realized Tess was a Dupe, but her pesonality was much more ruthless, like the Dupes. And I don't think Nesado had any plan with Kivar, but that the plan was laid in NYC when Tess disappeared with Rath & Lonnie (& Nicholas?), after Nicholas had discovered where the true R4 were & knowing that Tess & Ava had been switched. Nicholas definitely didn't need the Dupes - he was plotting w/Lonnie to "off" Rath & probably would've done away with them all once he had the granolith! He needed them to kill Zan because he KNEW Zan didn't know where the granolith was & Max did. Nicholas knew there were 2 sets, but didn't really know WHERE the true set was until the orb's signal went off. And he knew Tess would be among them - her display of power in killing the Skins (her not knowing about the pod switch & Dupes at that time and therefore being just as afraid of the Skins as the rest of them were) would have confirmed for Nicholas that she had more of the alien DNA, like the Dupes, and was therefore the switched member!
And why wouldn't Tess have given up the granolith info to Nicholas in NYC if she was a Dupe? Because it was her card - her Ace in the Hole! She said he tried to get into her mind, but she fought him off. She kept the secret & made the deal that Lonnie thought SHE had made! He may have sent Lonnie & Rath off while he was dealing with Tess, or even killed them since he didn't need them anymore!
Oh, the wonderful conspiracy possibilities! That's what's wonderful about this show - it makes the mind reach out and consider what we DON'T know, what are they NOT telling us!?! We never feel like we have the true story & our little minds are filling in the cracks with all sorts of "what if's". CHADS? I consider them more as POSSIBILITIES - left up to each person's imagination. Instead of being upset about them, I consider them an intregal part of the show, because they have left the door open to SO MUCH debate & mavelous fanfic! Like no other show!!!
So, to get back OT, due to all the possibilities in all areas of the Roswell storyline, I LOVE to ponder FisF's theory. And I must admit that I, too, pondered this theory early on - not because of any "clues", but just because I thought it could eventually be one of the massive "twists & turns" that this show is so well known for! And wouldn't that be the final biter for Tess - to have put all that time & effort in on the wrong guy! The struggle she had to go through to get a guy that really wasn't interested in his "alieness" that much, when the guy she REALLY needed to "get" was out there searching for ANY INFO about his alieness & probably would have been more open to her in the first place!!! And now, especially since Michael revealed what he remembered about Volandra's betrayal (which he could've remembered because he was her brother & it was the KING that was ultimately betrayed!), I STILL think that Tess/Ava could've been Kivar's sister - 2 political couplings to "unite" the planet, Kivar/Volandra & Zan/Ava, who ultimately betrayed the Royal Family - Volandra may have been used to get them in the door, but Ava had Zan's ear & "prepared" him to be trusting. Kivar came back for Volandra - he already has his sister back, possibly with the dethroned King's child, and coming back with his wife, the King's sister, while leaving the King stranded on another planet would be a rousing victory politically! Michael remembered that Volandra had been victimized, and may eventually remember Ava's hand in his trusting Kivar's "ovature of peace", IF he is King! If not, maybe it will be revealed during Max' "search". And I still DON'T believe the message Max received was from his son! Mind games seem to be a characteristic of Kivar's race - just another clue for the possibility of Tess being Kivar's sister! (Also, they may have put the Royal Seal in ALL the true Royal's, to separate them from the Dupes! Just an afterthought. )
Michael as King? Max would be overjoyed! Michael would be dumbfounded! Maria would have a COW!!! And Tess would be Royally screeewed!!! :P
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Camlaw, thanks though I tend to think that some of what I may have posted was just me hopping around as if I hit my funny bone (or crazy bone). Whatever you want to call that little nerve in one's elbow.
Shiloh,
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So in other words it's a work of art Viewers certainly see and feel things in different ways. The mood and atmosphere of Max in the City fit me like a glove, I guess I am focusing more on Max' 'journey', and J.Bs performance. I think everyone can relate to this captivating feeling. Just think of anything that you might consider a perfect moment, you just aren't comfortable letting anything diminish or change that moment.
FehrIsFehr
Yeah, I can sorta see that bird up there in the clouds, you say it's a robin? But are you sure it isn't a cardinal?
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See, see, even Dido knows what I'm talking about
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That is one long ass post Shilo!!! I will have to read it again when my brain isn't fried from too much work and not enough sleep.
CAM!!! I have fabulousnews for you!!! Alfred from Twin Peaks...the cynical medical examiner...is on Crossng Jordan, on NBC Monday at 10:00PM. He plays.....the Cheif Medical Examiner!!! Check it out...it's the only reason I watch the show. Although the show is not bad, it's actually okay...just predictable.
Max in the City is a stand out episode and one of my favorites from season 2. The thing that struck me the most about this eppy....long after the fact, was that Tess seemed so loyal to Max and in the end...she betrayed him. Even during the ep...when Nicholas showed up...after Tess had supposedly torched all the skins......I began to wonder if she had only mindwarped the podsquad into thinking she had killed them all, because Nicholas was obviously alive and well. How could that have been? The bottom line to me is....Max has been mislead by two of the people he trusted the most. First Liz in the End of the World, and beyond, because she insisted every time he asked, that she DID sleep with Kyle. Then the ultimate betrayal by Tess after almost a year and a half of her only seeming to be loyal to Max. In short....Max has been deceived on a large scale. To find out he isn't the king would be another in a series of major deceptions.......
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I forgot to post, what I came here to post!
From SciFi wire. A piece of an interveiw with Metz and Burns, who wrote the Roswell High Books.......
The TV show is based on the first of the Roswell High books, but its
plot and characters have diverged widely from the book series, the
writers said in an interview.
"It's sort of that we started in the same places ... and the show
went in one direction, and the books went in a different one," Burns
said.
I think that pretty much settles that debate. The show and the books are two different animals.
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Just thought I'd drop by to share something with you that might be relevant to your King discussions. On the Liz Myth thread at FF, GraceKel caught this from the last ep: "...Michael scolds Max for putting AND JUSTICE FOR ALL ahead of MASTER OF PUPPETS..."
Perhaps this is indicative of Michael's ongoing frustration with Max's unwillingness to lead--evidently, especially if it means giving up justice for all to be a puppet master.
So, that's thing one.
Thing 2 is an invitation to visit the Compare and Contrast: Analyzing the TV Show and Book Series - Version 4.0 thread at:
www.forums4fans.com/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=010587&p=
and/or to review the archived threads of the same title at:
ulink.net/plum/Roswell/lizmythology/CompareNContrastTVnBooks.htm
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ulink.net/plum/Roswell/lizmythology/CompareNContrastTVnBooks2.htm
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I will have to watch the ep again....although I did notice the convo...I found it more interesting that Michael was giving Max a hard time....I mean, what second chastises their leader????? I doesn't happen. So for me it is another example of Michael still assuming a superior posture...even though they think Max is the king.......
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Skovde
Also Dido sings....
Don't want to call my friends.....
they might wake me from this dream.....
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shapeshifter
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Although I think Max is the King, I am not opposed to the idea that Michael should have been the King.
Anyway, here's more fuel to your fire:
In Control, Dick Chenney is the only other guy with that Nokia and the President is jealous. So, Max now has the Nokia.
Get it?
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Well............Cheney is the VICE President...which is second...right?
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Skovde
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Although I think Max is the King, I am not opposed to the idea that Michael should have been the King.
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The core of this amorphous theory (as I see it) is that Max and Michael are being incorrectly identified by others because of a deceptive switch made by protectors of the two guys. It is the idea that the commentary that we hear directed at Max, that of being a 'lousy king' and causing troubles on Antar, should actually be pointed at Michael. Also, when Courtney admits that there is a faction that supports the 2nd in command who might restore peace on Antar, it should be directed at Max not Michael. Of course there are pages and pages offering a more accurate and in depth summary
Another way to look at this question is in the manner in which you posted; Who do you think should be king? Then there is another angle, Who and what do we, as viewers, perceive to be the truth when weighing all the subjective and somewhat anthropomorphic evidence that might be identified.
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I don't think their protectors performed the switch. I don't think they knew which was which.....I think that was done by those who duplicated/replicated/spliced/diced & mixed their DNA.
I'm pretty sure shapeshifter understands the theory. Liz Myther/RIBer and all..........
Skovde you should really go check out the Liz's importance to the alien mythology thread on FF. Whoa! Now those peeps pull it all apart..... A-P-A-R-T............. You seem like a pretty sharp tac I'm sure you woul enjoy it. You understand this theory of mine alot better than many other people.
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Oh look.........I left the d off of would in the above post.
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Skovde and Fehr, Thanks for the explanation(s) of your discussion's thesis. I really appreciate it--being an obsessive RBIer and all.
I really did want to know what you guys were into, and now I know without reading all of it (Cliff's notes for Roswell Discussion).
And if you guys do want to check out the current LizMyth/RBI discussion, it's here now. The searchable Archives of the previous 54 Threads and various theories are here.
Skovde
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(12/6/01 11:49:36 pm)
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That's better than being a dull tic, right? Thanks Fehr Is Fehr, by the way, I see you did a good job of restocking the gallery with peanuts, maybe it will keep the derisive comments (over in the Ratings thread) to a minimum
shapeshifter/FisF, I am aware that the FF boards have a pretty comprehensive analysis concerning Liz and her importance to the podsters (the LizMyth thread). Itıs been a while though, (about a year) since I read through some of the threads over there. I guess it feels odd, I mean I have always known that she was important Maybe I'll hop over there.
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Hi I've been gone awhile. Anyway regarding my comment on the books. I'm talking about their personalities NOT what they look like. The characters themselves (meaning their personalities) are very true to the books but only the leads. The Valenti's of course are different. I also think they borrow ideas from the books but with different storylines.
the sex/baby is a mindwarp...the sex/baby is a mindwarp...the sex/baby is a mindwarp...
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adult fan, you might want to visit the FF Thread: Compare and Contrast: Analyzing the TV Show and Book Series - Version 4.0 .
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Haven't been here for a few days....SO busy with RLS! Work is nutty and the holidays are upon us........
Dull tics are the worse. And yes...I have to stay on top of that whole peanut sitch.
Hope I can find some extra minutes in the evenings the next couple of days. If only I could get these gifts to wrap themselves.
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let, me, me, me, fehr, wrap the presents!!! i LOVE wrapping!! i am a freak at work, solisticing customers if they want their items wrapped! i made lots of bow accesorries (bunches of curly ribbon, ribbon stars, ribbon loops, etc.) to go on the packages! i work at a chain hardware store, so i have wrapped lots of wierd gifts! a shovel, a cow bench, a bag of dirt, and a diamond ring (small box inside a bigger box, inside a bigger box of motor oil! hehe, that was so fun!!!!).
oooops! so way OT! sorry i got carried away!! my bad!
consciousnesss is that annoying time between naps!
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alienmom, can you wrap mine too? My mom is shopping online for my kids and nothing is wrapped!
And while you're at it, can you give FM a trim and wrap him for me? He would almost be old enough.
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Alienmom another thing we have in common!!! I LOVE to wrap too!!!!! I guess I wasn't clear in my post.....it isn't that I don't want to wrap...it's that I have been SO busy I haven't gotten to wrap...yet! I would love it if they could magically look like they do when I wrap them......but that ain't gonna happen. I am starting tonight. I used to wrap all the presents my brother and sister got for people...they are much older than me...when I was 10 my sis was 20, my brother 27! They used to pay me. I make my own bows too. We are so much alike it is scary, huh? Aries rule!
Shapeshifter....I'll take FM without the wrapping!!! But please make sure to send him EXPRESS mail!!! So are you a thirtysomething like alienmom and myself? Sounds like you're close to that range.
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Older. Too old to seriously think about FM even.
Okay. No future employers looking?
**whispers** 48
Okay, back to your thread topic.
If Mickey G was da king, maybe Serena's agenda was to bring that about by destroying Max.
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fehr, what was i thinking??! of course my sista loves to wrap too!! i should loan you my ribbon shreader!
pissssst, shapeshifter, us f$$rtysomethings have got to stick together!! and trust me, i could teach FM a thing or two about "older" women!
consciousnesss is that annoying time between naps!
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Shapeshifter: I'm right there with you, literally, about being too old for all this Max/JB/FM/Zan stuff!!! Don't you just feel like a 16 year old kid again with all this stuff??? Ahhhh........The magic of Roswell!!! Maybe the granolith truly IS a time machine!!!!!
(And yes, I'd like to give FM the benefit of all my lifetime experience - JUST ONCE!!!!)
(Edited spelling of granolith because these hands do not function well first thing in the morning!)
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Hey, maybe they will introduce a hot-looking son of Max's clone (JB with a little more gray than FM and a few smile lines ).
I am seriously expecting the little boy on next week's ep to be the grand or great grandson of Max's clone. But I'm not spoiled, so I might be way off.
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Alienmom I have TWO ribbon shreaders! And I was making you younger...how do ya like that? I forgot you are a tad bit older than me.....but I'll be forty on my next birthday and then I'll be a fortysomething too!
Shapeshifter 48 is still way YOUNG! I see every birthday as a triumph.
Shilo is in our special club too, I see.
Aren't we grand?
Skovde is probably scared now.
Where the heck are Jen and Cam??? Come out come out wherever you are. Kingly things to discuss.......Seeing the End of the World made me think about seeing the Harvest for the fisrt time.........the eppy that started it all......
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Shilo I am LMAO!!! Only cuz I know too well what you mean.
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FisF,"Skovde is probably scared now."
Yeah, scared to peek out of this safe little package with ribbons and bows. Seems that with all this gift wrapping taking place, I got swept up in the frenzy and now I'm snug and cozy in my little box . Perhaps someone can mail me off to a little rustic cabin in the alps. . Oh yeah, I seem to remember something about some theory pertaining to a king or something...
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Here I be! Like all of you I too have been engulfed in shopping and wrapping and work. I watched EOTW and cried. I talked about that on the EOTW thread. And as for our king shame on him for making out with Courtney. And I am so upset about Alex. Just when you think you are over his loss, they show just how special he was and how briefly we had to enjoy him. (sniffle)
OK. I so look forward to Tuesday nights episode. We need to have the Max's baby thing resolved and M/M reunited. No more triangles...no more BS reasons to be apart...just banned together, love each other and live. Boy am I in a mood.
I got a surprise in store for you Ferh is Ferh & Jenniferh. Not a peep what it is either.
OK...back to wrapping I go. Where are those elves when you need them?
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They're hanging out in the back room with Michael & Max! (oh, to be an elf - just for a little while!!!)
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I am still lurking around this thread....
But let me tell ya.. I am trying to write and it is not fan fic.. it is an actual book. The thing is I keep inter twining the personalities of the Roswell characters in the characters of my story and it makes writing this book a real pain in the a$$! Faires and Aliens in L.A. aren't working out real well together! ! so I have to limit what goes on in my head... And with all the M/M insanity lately it has been hard!!
So I am here... and when I can seperate the two... I will post my thoughts...
Mel... I miss ya!
Cam... what suprise????
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Skovde aren't you where most men want to be?
Snug in a little box??? ........ .......
OMG I can't believe I just said that! I know this is supposed to be all about my brilliant theory........but I'm too pooped out from all this holiday crap to think!
Hey Cammie! How's the new place coming along?
I couldn't agree with you more about M&M reuniting and no more BS! We demand a BS-less New Year!!! Enough already!
JEN......... I miss you too! I can see ya on the main board, but you aren't showing up on IM Are you FRANK again??? Are you at your dad's??? So.....what's the book about....other than fairies?
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Skovde
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FisF, "aren't you where most men want to be?
Snug in a little box???"
Well, I think that remark would have to be altered after seeing recent marketing campaigns during the holiday rush. Guys now want to be snug, while sitting beside a box, the X-box.
"I know this is supposed to be all about my brilliant theory........but I'm too pooped out from all this holiday crap to think!"
This time of year, even theories have to be put in a box and set aside for a week or two...Especially when you feel that there are more interesting things to unwrap/unravel. The direction of this thread, hmm, I'm afraid to peek out to see what's going on out there with future Max.
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Mel... "I see you too."
Nope I am not Frank!! I am home and you don't show up on my box either!! Well you do on my AIM so I guess I will send you an IM via it the next time you are on!! My MSN is being a big pain!
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Our poor king was lonesome this episode and I am bothered by the behavior of Maria. Her reasons for breaking up with Micheal and her mixed signals are just confusing and downright frustrating. Basically the chick is not making any damn sense. Make up with him already and get to the nookie. Michael did make one comment though that instantly made me think of you Jenn. Care to take a guess at which one it is?
As for kingly clues, a few items come to mind. The playful banter of Isabel and Michael about Isabel being the Christmas Nazi and trying to warn Jesse. Seemed very brotherly to me...more so than Max even. Makes me hold on to the Michael/Iasabel brother/sister relationship even more, but of course the Dupes just make me cringe at the thought of it.
ANYWAY...I think we were last on Sexual Healing. But who the hell knows since it has been so long. We really need to get back on track. I know I keep saying that, but this time I mean it dammit! Can you tell the holidays have brought out the swear words for me? Merry ho ho ho...
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Ooooo Cam.... which one was it??? Was it..."It'll make her hot." or "I'm not getting any." or "Damn that jennifehr is one groovy chick!"... Oh wait he didn't say that... !! So tell me Cam.. I am dying to know!!!!
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I had to bring this back... I found out what Cam was talking about.... And Michael... I know you're not getting any so let me be of service to you!! !!
Guess what I did... I read through the King threads... and it was like walking down memory lane!! It made me miss those first threads... When I met everyone here!!!!
Anyway I had to bum this up for old times sake!!
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OK Gang! The New Year's eppy was great, although I have a beef with that Maria. STOP TORTURING OUR KING ALREADY!!!!! Just realize the error of your ways and go running back to him. You little hussie!
Now that I have that off my chest...whew! Kingly clues...honestly have not had the time to search. I miss my thread and all of you. But motherhood calls as well as work and life and blah, blah, blah...I need to have a Roswell marathon. I peaked over to the Spoiler thread just a little while ago and saw a few things that my little dreamer heart liked to read. So I will keep my fingers crossed over there.
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Camlaw! Welcome! Long time no post!
I miss this thread, even though I'm mostly a Dreamer at heart! I await the theories! It's been soooo long since a thought has been thrown out there.
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Kingly... clues!! I think that there may be something fishy in the spoliers.... But I don't know if we can speculate on them here... What do you say Fehr... Shiloh... I know you know what I mean... blood???
~ And I guess it's time to tell you
What you should already know
Oh you know
I'm better breathing on my own
All alone~
Shilohaura
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(1/14/02 2:52:27 am)
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Yeah! I knew you'd pick up on that little bit there, Jen! I'm thinking it has more to do with the "alieness", but I posted elsewhere that I knew some people who were going to take that bit of info and run with it for their Kingly theory! I must be a mindreader, huh?
jennifehr
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(1/14/02 2:58:24 am)
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!! Yep you are!! I see your pics are working now!! Great! So alieness... could be. I mean since they think Michael is the only other one right??? !!
~ And I guess it's time to tell you
What you should already know
Oh you know
I'm better breathing on my own
All alone~
Shilohaura
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(1/14/02 10:28:06 am)
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Yeah, Jen. And because Max......well, you know.
jennifehr
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(1/14/02 5:18:58 pm)
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Yeah I know!! And I am trying to work it all out in my head... cause he's not um gone but he's not um all there..... FREAKY!! !!
~ And I guess it's time to tell you
What you should already know
Oh you know
I'm better breathing on my own
All alone~
Fehr is Fehr
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(1/14/02 8:19:14 pm)
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CAM!!! Good to see ya girlie girl!!!
No Roswell has me in a funk. I'll get over it.........
About the "blood" thing....I think I posted that people do not have to be related to have the same or matching blood types. I know that, and you guys know that. But....it could be that they are siblings. Or it could be just lucky for Is, cuz Max will be in no shape to help.
Honestly, I think I will rewatch ALL the eps for this season over the coming weekend. There have been some obvious clues...but so much has gone on this year, I need to recap, in order, watching for the specific things.........
Maybe I can shirk this funk by doing that.
***Long is the way....and hard....that out of Hell leads up to light.***
Edited by: Fehr is Fehr at: 1/14/02 8:22:38 pm
jennifehr
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(1/15/02 12:24:52 am)
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Chase that funk away Mel... Hurry!! And chase away anything else that is bringing you down!!!!!
I know about the blood thingy... that same types don't mean your related and all... just wondering if that is the case with aliens...
Here is a funny little pic that may make you smile.... from crazy obsessed Jenn... The one you will be rooming with... are you scared yet?? !!
~ And I guess it's time to tell you
What you should already know
Oh you know
I'm better breathing on my own
All alone~
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Red hot
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(1/15/02 12:28:22 am)
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We could never be scared of our resident Fehrianluvslave
jennifehr
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(1/15/02 1:04:34 am)
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That's nice to hear Red... I have to admit I freak myself out sometimes.... !
Death is your art. You make it with your hands, day after day.... Every slayer has a death wish. Even you.
Shilohaura
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(1/15/02 1:33:33 am)
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One reason I always thought Michael & Iz could have been related is that they are both blondes! Max is really an outcast alienwise - even Tess was blonde! Of course, that also sets Max apart from the others - kinda special. But if they are supposed to be from the same family, Michael & Iz seem more alike. Now, Kivar wasn't blonde - Wouldn't it be wierd of Zan & Kivar were actually brothers who fought over the royal throne???
Also, Michael remembering the truth about Kivar deceiving Volandra - He could have remembered that as her brother
OH.....I think that "book" was all made up by Nesado!!! I think TESS was the "whinney, sniveling young king" and the aliens weren't recreated gender specific!!!!
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(1/15/02 9:35:08 am)
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Hummmmm...............
Well siblings can be weird, as far as looks go. In my family my sister has black hair, my brother had blonde hair til he got to be about 12...then it turned darker and I have light auburn. My son's dad is a sandy blonde, his brother has black hair and their sis has flaming red hair! But for the sake of the story...I have always thought Iz and Michael looked much more alike, in stature and coloring. I don't think they are really blonde...more sandy and with the change of Iz's haircolor they look even more alike.
Although they have always portrayed Iz and Max as sibs, I always got a vibe that Michael was really Iz's brother. Iz cried for months Max said, wondering and worrying about where Michael was, when they first went to live with the Evans. She has always stuck up for Michael....defying Max to do so, most of the time. When Michael had problems with Hank Iz was very protective and extremely upset. She took him into their home, confronted Hank, even threatening to kill him if he ever hurt Michael again. She has confided things in Michael she wouldn't ever tell Max. Recently...such as the dreams about Kivar and how worried she was by them. Also her's and Michael's powers seem more alike than Max's to their's. They have the ability to blow things up...Michael rocks , TVs, cars, ect. Isabel....Congresswoman Whitaker!
And why did Michael remember what happened between Kivar and Isabel? Why didn't Max have any recollection? I mean.....hadn't Tess helped Max to start remembering the home planet? Yeah....right!
***Long is the way....and hard....that out of Hell leads up to light.***
Camlaw
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(2/10/02 6:24:03 pm)
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As I blow the dust off of this thread I ponder the lost ideals of this theory. Maybe it is more or less my lost ideals on this theory. I have been such the bad host. My absentee'ism has caused this thread to wind up on the third page for goodness sakes! Like most of you my life has been extremely hectic. Those few of you that know me know about the recently dramatic changes in my life that have just about taken all of my spare time. Boards? What are the boards? No time for the website. No time to chat. But I am trying to change things. Get into a groove and come back to the things of which I love the most. And besides I miss everyone.
So what is there to say about our king? Many things. I want to return to the original premis of this theory though. Analyzing each eppy and all the little kingly clues that exist. I think we are still on Sexual Healing. There is just something about that eppy I cannot get past. So since I am back...even if it is part time...I will do my best to get back on track...Until then...
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(2/11/02 1:40:07 am)
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I will watch it tonite Cam... and pay close attention! Just for you cause I am glad you are back!!! I have missed ya girlfriend!!
And I want to rip her heart out
Just for hurting you
And I want to break her mind down
Yes I do
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(2/15/02 10:28:10 am)
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I don't want to post the new spoiler here so I put it on the spoiler thread. Fehr is Fehr will be happy for a moment. It proves that Max was the king but when he died Michael becomes the new king (for a short time). For more info see the spoiler thread. Of course this proves that Michael was never the king in the first place. I guess its bittersweet for those of you who wanted Michael to be the king.
the sex/baby is a mindwarp...the sex/baby is a mindwarp...the sex/baby is a mindwarp...
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(2/16/02 9:37:48 pm)
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Welcome back Cam!
I've been gone alot myself....I also moved.
TOO much like work!
Still trying to find my groove, too.
It is SO good to see you back here.
Adult fan I think I will wait and see how everything plays out....there has been PROOF of this, that and the other thing before....only to find out later something else entirely was up. I still say they are not here, who they were there.
***Long is the way....and hard....that out of Hell leads up to light.***
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(2/17/02 1:18:47 am)
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But Mel... that is so eeire.. I read the poilers and thought to myself... oh my, maybe KKB told the writer's what she said and they liked that idea!!!! !!
And I want to rip her heart out
Just for hurting you
And I want to break her mind down
Yes I do
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