Roswell Bureau of Investigation (RBI) # 5
 

New thread, guys :D .

Okay, first post :


Nacedo knew what Michael, Max and the others looked like, since there was an alien when Max and Liz found the orb, and there was an alien who caught Michael's signal he left in the park, there was an alien who had taken pics of the trio in Roswell. And since Cal had no interest in the trio to find the orb and use it, all he wanted was to be left in peace on Earth. So it was Nacedo.

If the story of 3 kids found in the desert was so famous, how come the Evans didn't know that ? They should have connected the dots with their own children. The story was known by some people, easy to find in the media through archives, but it wasn't that famous.

Thanks for the new thread, xmag!


From To Have and to Hold

MAX (speaking at Isabel and Jesse’s wedding reception): Can we have your attention, please? Hi. I'm Max Evans. The best man. Isabel and I, uh... Well, I'm sure you all know the story, how they found us... Little kids wandering in the desert. No one knew where we came from or where we belonged. We didn't know anything either, who our parents were, how we got there. All we had was each other. Two people took us in, gave us names, made us part of their family, something I'll always-- we'll always be grateful for.



From I Married an Alien


[Eric talks to a woman, as they sit together on an outdoor bench]

WOMAN: You know, all adoptions and foster records are supposed to be confidential.
ERIC: I understand that. I won't use your name in the article, and I won't quote you directly. I'm just--I'm just trying to do some background research on Michael Guerin, and I was wondering if you can help. You know, was there anything unusual about Michael, anything out of the ordinary?
WOMAN: No. Well, there was this one incident in 1989. It was right after the county placed him in his foster home. He'd been there less than 2 days when we get this phone call about this...usual event.
ERIC: An event?
Lady WOMAN: They said Michael made the kitchen table levitate off the floor. About 3 feet off the floor.
ERIC: That's--that's a little odd for a 6 year old.
WOMAN: Mmm-hmm.
ERIC: Umm, would that be in the county records?
WOMAN: [laughs] You think we're gonna put something like that in a government file? Yeah, and uh, to be honest with you, Michael's foster father, he wasn't exactly reliable. You know. [she acts like she's drinking]
ERIC: Anything else?
WOMAN: No, I mean, other than the way he came to us. You know, a little kid was found wandering out in the desert like that.
ERIC: Wait a minute, I thought that Max and Isabel were the ones found wandering in the desert.
WOMAN: They were. About a week before.


As the woman told Eric, adoptions and foster records are supposed to be confidential. So the Evans may not have known about Michael being found in the desert a week after Max and Isabel were found.

Nasedo, however, was a shapeshifter, who could look and sound like anyone. If he had seen Max, Michael, and Isabel before they left the podchamber, he should have be able to find them from police records, court records, and foster care records. But Nasedo didn’t find them, until ten years later, after Max reportedly healed Liz, leaving a handprint.

You’re right, xmag. :) Nasedo knew who Max was, at the time he tried to get the orb away from Max, as Max and Liz slept. Nasedo’s shadow fell over them. Liz and Max woke up. Nasedo told Max and Liz to leave. Nasedo stayed away from Max as much as possible, so Max wouldn’t tell him to do anything.

Nasedo reignited the symbol Michael burned on the library lawn. He knew at that time who Max, Michael, and Isabel were. He dropped a photograph of the three of them into the flames. He had been photographing them, trying to figure out how to get them captured. Nasedo framed Michael for Hank’s disappearance.

Nasedo committed his handprint murders, beginning in 1959, so he could find the Royal Four. He didn’t know they were still in pods. Nasedo wasn’t part of the 1947 mission.

Max reportedly healed Liz, leaving a handprint. Nasedo didn’t know whether or not the report was real or a hoax. Nasedo left an alien symbol in the woods. Max, Michael, and Isabel illuminated the symbol that had meaning to them. (The symbol was the same symbol on the orbs.)

Max erased the symbol in the woods, using his powers. Nasedo then knew that he had found the missing three of the Royal Four. He began photographing and watching Max, Michael, and Isabel, so he could get them captured, in order to get a Royal, lineal heir with Antarian blood, who could inherit the Seal of Antar.



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Bringing this over from the previous thread




Only Brody had the pentagon-shaped device. Whitaker, Courtney, Nicholas, and the other Skins didn’t have the pentagon-shaped devices. Otherwise, Whitaker, Nicholas, and the other Skins could have used the devices to counteract Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess’ powers. But they didn’t have the devices to use.

Whitaker came to Roswell, after Nasedo-as-Pierce disbanded the Special Unit. Whitaker was an alien. She hadn't wanted the Special Unit to be disbanded. She wanted the Special Unit to help her find the Royal Four. Whitaker believed that Pierce (actually Nasedo) began lying to her, after he returned to Washington from Roswell. So Whitker went to Roswell to investigate, after the Special Unit was disbanded.

Courtney also came to Roswell. Courtney knew Whitaker. Courtney evidently knew that Whitaker was in Roswell to try to find the Royal Four. Courtney figured out who Michael was, when she came to Roswell. Michael was Max’s close friend. Max had reportedly healed Liz, leaving a handprint.

Brody bought the UFO Center from Milton suddenly, in the fall, months after the orbs signal went out around Earth in May. Brody could have gone to Roswell, without buying the UFO Center and without moving to Roswell.

Brody was rich. He could live wherever he liked. Brody’s daughter had cancer, yet he didn’t move close to the hospital where he took his daughter, when she had a relapse. Brody was sometimes controlled by Larek, who was Max/King Zan’s childhood friend. Brody loved his daughter. Yet he moved to Roswell, which wasn’t near the hospital, where he took his daughter. I think Larek found out from Brody’s mind that the pentagon-shaped device went off in May. I think Larek had Brody move to Roswell, so Larek could be close to Max/King Zan. Larek didn’t contact Max in Roswell, until after Isabel made contact with Larek, after the Summit. Enemies and outsiders didn’t find the Royal Four in Roswell from the orbs signal in May.


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Hi Reggie! Below is a continuation of our discussion from the previous thread. :)





Kal got Max arrested, when Max checked out the spaceship hidden under the convenience store in Utah. Kal knew that the spaceship could fly, and that Max could fly the spaceship himself. Otherwise, Kal wouldn’t have bothered to get Max arrested. If the spaceship couldn’t fly, or if Max couldn't fly the spaceship himself, then there wasn’t any reason for Kal to get Max arrested. Kal was a shapeshifter, who could become someone else and avoid Max, if he thought Max was tracking him down. Kal didn’t want to change identities, and Kal didn’t want Max to get the spaceship. Kal wanted the spaceship for himself, in case Kivar or some other enemy took over Earth. Kal could fly the ship to another planet, besides Antar.

The police arrested Max and Liz. Max was released, for lack of evidence against him.

The spaceship was moved out of the government storage, under the public convenience store in Utah. Kal didn’t want Max to get the spaceship.

Agent Burns of the FBI warned Max to stay away from the convenience store, if Max and Liz had been there for any other reason than being incompetent criminals. The spaceship left. There wasn’t any reason for Agent Burns to be concerned about Max seeing something in the basement, because the basement was empty, when Max went back.

Agent Burns of the FBI didn’t want Max or Liz investigating the convenience store anymore, because the convenience store was on a toxic site on government property. The convenience store hadn’t reopened. The government didn’t want the public to know that it had allowed a public convenience store to operate on a toxic site on government property.

Mr. Evans agreed not to go to the press about the toxic substance he and Max found in the basement, in return for the government getting Liz released and the charges against her dropped. :)

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Why would Kal hide a spaceship in a government storage :confused: ? The FBI got involved when Max and Liz robbed the convenient store, so obviously, this was an important place for the government. So hiding the proof of alien life in a place where the army or the FBI had an easy access doesn't look like a clever move.

Hi xmag! :wave:



Agent Burns of the FBI got involved, because someone issued orders for him to get involved. The government didn’t want anyone to know that the government had allowed a public convenience store to operate atop a toxically contaminated government storage site.





Government storage was the ideal place for Kal and Nasedo to hide the spaceship.

The spaceship hidden in underground government storage in Utah was easy for aliens to access and difficult for humans to access.

A security door hidden behind the wall of the 24-hour convenience store kept people out of the underground storage. Aliens like Max, Nasedo, and Kal could easily get through the wall and the security door. Kal and Nasedo could get to the spaceship at their convenience. They could change their identities and order the clerk to leave.

Kal and Nasedo were shapeshifters, who could look like and sound like anyone. They knew the military and the FBI intimately. They could issue orders as someone else, and their orders would be obeyed. The government storage in Utah was on a toxically contaminated site. The government would be unlikely to use the site for anything. If someone discovered the spaceship, Kal and Nasedo could be informed and move the spaceship elsewhere.

Kal knew exactly where the spaceship was at all times. He knew the spaceship was in the Wm. Norton Research Center, without General Chambers telling him anything. He knew exactly where in the Center the spaceship was.

At the Wm. Norton Research Center, the spaceship was stored behind a door that could be easily opened by aliens, like Max, Kal, and Nasedo. Humans couldn’t get past the door, unless they knew the code to enter. The spaceship was safely hidden for Kal to use anytime he wanted. :)

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I would have hidden it in a cave, in the mountains, or in the desert, where there are not many human activities, with a silver handprint allowing alien's entrance only. Not in a place where the FBI, the army, or just the guy working above the place, could stumble on. In case of an earthquake, the walls could have collapsed, and people could have discovered the spaceship. While if a natural event occurred in a desert place, such as a cave, there is nobody to investigate.

Perhaps Kal and Nasedo first hid the spaceship in a cave or in the mountains or in the desert, and later decided that hiding the spaceship in government storage in Utah was a better choice. :)

Caves can have many entrances. Mountains and deserts and can be difficult or impossible to drive through. Mountains can become snowed in. Their roads can become impassable. Deserts can get flash floods, washing out roads. Caves, mountains, and deserts can be far from the comforts and conveniences of homes, motels, restaurants, gas stations, and grocery stores.

By hiding the spaceship in government storage in Utah, both Kal and Nasedo could easily and conveniently access the spaceship from California, where Kal lived, and from Roswell, where Nasedo moved to. Utah is between California and New Mexico.

Government storage was ready-made and easy for Kal and Nasedo to get to and use, since they were shapeshifters, who could look and sound like anyone.

By hiding the spaceship on government property, it was less likely that humans would come across the spaceship by chance encounter. Even if humans discovered the spaceship on government property in Utah, Kal and Nasedo could become someone in authority and tell people that spaceship was a discontinued, failed government project. If humans discovered the spaceship at Wm. Norton Research Center, Kal could become someone in authority and tell people that it was an ongoing government research project. In any case, if humans discovered the spaceship, Kal (or Nasedo, while he was alive) could move and hide the spaceship elsewhere.

Also, by having the spaceship hidden where people normally were, Kal and Nasedo could easily access the spaceship any time, day or night, without raising anyone’s suspicions. :)

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Caves entrances can be protected from humans with the silver handprints, so that only aliens enter them.
Aliens have powers and can easily use them to move boulder, or trace a way in the snow. And it's not like they can't manipulate the elements : according to Nacedo, they had barely tapped into their powers, and Isabel was able to make snow since she was a kid. So a full alien wouldn't have any problems with the weather.


There is always the old lady walking her dog, or the couple making out at night, to notice comings and goings.

Isabel used her powers and caused some light snow to fall for a limited amount of time.

I don’t think Kal or Nasedo could use their powers to blast away 10 foot deep or greater snowfalls that sometimes close off mountain roads for extended periods of time.

When Max used his powers healing the children, it took time for his powers to return. So, I don’t think Kal or Nasedo had limitless amounts of power to clear away deep snow or rock slides that could block them or kill them. I don’t think Kal or Nasedo could hold back the power of a flash flood in the desert. If Kal or Nasedo hid the spaceship inside a cave, the car they drove to the cave or near the cave could be noticed or stolen by someone, who happened to be in the area.



Sam’s Quik Stop in Utah was away from any other buildings or houses. So, it would be unlikely that an old lady or anyone else would be out walking a dog in the area. If someone was out walking a dog, that person would be outside of the convenience store and unable to see what happened inside the store.

A couple could be making out at night, near the convenience store. However, all they would see is someone go into the store. Kal or Nasedo, who were shapeshifters, who could look and sound like anyone, could order the clerk to leave the store. They could then close the store for a time, use their powers to get through the wall and the security door, and get to the spaceship to put things in it or take things from it or enjoy things inside the spaceship, without anyone seeing what they did. The 24-hour convenience store made it very easy for Kal and Nasedo to access the spaceship at their convenience, any time of the day or night, any time of the year.

The convenience store on government property made it very convenient for Kal and Nasedo to access the spaceship whenever they wanted, easily and conveniently. :)

Kal and Nasedo were shapeshifters, who could look and sound like other people. They both knew that the spaceship was in government storage. If they didn’t want the spaceship there, they could move the spaceship elsewhere. The spaceship was exactly where Kal and Nasedo wanted the spaceship to be. :)

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Oups, double post.

Michael, Isabel and Max had barely tapped into their powers, while Nacedo and Kyle were 100 % aliens who have used their powers all their lives, so i expect them to be more capable than the R4.


They could have hidden their cars into the mountains, or the rocks, just like the destiny book was in the librairy. And Nacedo hide himself into the rocks, in the pod chamber, when Tess brought Max, Michael and Isabel to the pod chamber, so it was one of his abilities.


And convenient for any guy within the FBI, or the army. If someone was looking for chemical products, and used explosive to find them, they would have found the space ship. The FBI or the army aren't above the law, there are committees which investigate the inside of these organizations. Even a corrupted agent, thinking he could use these products and sell them, could have had access to this place.

Hi xmag! :wave:




Nasedo and Kal could shapeshift. Michael could change his fingerprint. Maybe Michael might gain more powers, like changing more of his shape, sometime in the future. However, Michael used a mask and changed that, when he impersonated the bad guy, who tried to kill Connie.

I don’t think Kal or Nasedo could heal, the way Michael, Tess, and Max could heal. Michael and Tess could heal non-life threatening injuries in other people. Max could heal people near death. Nasedo needed to be healed with healing stones.

Nasedo didn't have the force-field shield that Max had. He couldn't shield himself from Whitaker. Whitaker fatally injured him.

Kal and Nasedo had blasting powers, which Michael and Liz had. Nasedo could set things on fire without a device, which Michael and Liz could do.

I don’t think Kal or Nasedo had all the powers the Royal Four had. I think Kal and Nasedo were better at shapeshifting, and that’s all. I don’t think Kal or Nasedo could mindwarp or dreamwalk, like Tess or Isabel.





xmag, I don’t think the book was ever in the library wall. I don’t think Tess could put her hand through the wall and pull out a book. Tess wasn’t a shapeshifter. I don’t think she could put her hand through a wall.

I think Tess mindwarped Max to think she pulled the ring-bound book from the library wall. I think Tess wanted Max to ask her about the book, but he didn’t, until after Michael and Isabel told Max that Isabel thought she was pregnant with Michael’s child. I think Isabel thought she was pregnant with Michael’s child, because Tess mindwarped Michael and Isabel to think Isabel was pregnant with Michael’s child.

I don’t think Tess had the ring-bound book with her in the library, when she was with Kyle. Kyle didn’t seem to think that Tess took down a strange-looking book. Kyle seemed to think that Tess had taken down a normal book. Tess could have mindwarped both Kyle and Max. But I think Tess only mindwarped Max in the library scene.

In any case, I don’t think Kal or Nasedo could drive a normal car through rock. I think Kal and Nasedo would need a door to get a car into a cave or a mountain or a hiding place in the desert. I think someone could notice a car drive through a door into a cave, mountain, or hiding place in the desert. Also, people might decide to mine a mountain or dig in the desert. If people found a spaceship in a mountain, or in a cave, or in the desert, they might think the spaceship was from another planet.






If people found the spaceship on government property, then people would think that the government had put the spaceship there. People would be unlikely to think that aliens had stored their spaceship on government property. Kal and Nasedo were shapeshifters, who could become anyone. They could tell people that the spaceship in government storage was a failed, discontinued government project.

The Army and the FBI couldn’t get to the spaceship under the convenience store, unless they got through the wall and past the security door. People in the Army and FBI follow orders for the most part. It’s part of their training. Some people in the military and the FBI don’t follow orders, so it’s possible that someone might decide to chop through the wall. However, they would need a reason to go through the wall.

If the government already had in its records that the chemicals had been moved, then there wasn’t any reason for anyone in the government to check for chemicals there. Even if someone checked for chemicals and found the spaceship, Kal and Nasedo could find out and move the spaceship elsewhere.

Nasedo died at least two times. So shapeshifters could be killed by things, like bullets or another alien. I think rock slides and flash floods could likely kill shapeshifters, too.

Other aliens, the Skins, were on Earth. Whitaker, a Skin, fatally wounded Nasedo. The Skins wanted to leave Earth. Nasedo knew about other aliens and what other aliens could do. So Kal and Nasedo needed to hide the spaceship from other aliens, as well as from other humans.

The toxically contaminated government storage site below the 24-hour convenience store was the perfect place for Kal and Nasedo to hide the spaceship. It was convenient for each of them. People outside the convenience store couldn’t see what Kal or Nasedo did. The spaceship was unlikely to be discovered by other people by chance. Even if someone discovered it by chance, Kal and Nasedo could move the spaceship elsewhere. :)

If someone found the spaceship in a mountain, a cave, or hidden in the desert, they might keep the spaceship for themselves, especially if other aliens, like the Skins, found the spaceship.

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If I recall correctly, the spaceship was not standing on its landing gear, but was set into a specialy made cradle. If the aliens put it there, wouldn't they have simply put the landing gear down? Instead, I see a wrecked spaceship partially repaired by the government, sitting in a government-supplied cradle. They probably couldn't get the landing gear down; or feared that once down, they couldn't get it back up again. Anyway, the fact that it was in a government space, in a government-supplied holder, suggests that the government knwe it was there and had control of it.

And Max and Liz weren't led to the ship by aliens who knew about it. They found it via government sources. And the government took it away, once it became obvious that it's secret location had been compromised... took it away to another government location. Face it, C&V: the saucer was in government custody, and had been for a while. It was probably the 1947 saucer, repaired; or the Skins' 1950 spaceship. They may have needed a way home precisely because they'd lost their original craft.

Hi Reggie! :wave:

Reggie, the audience is shown more than some of the main characters are shown. As such, we (the audience) can figure out more than what the main characters were able to figure out at the conclusion of the episodes. :)

For example, the audience is shown that Kal got Max and Liz arrested. Max, Liz, Michael, and Isabel were unaware that Kal got Max and Liz arrested.

If the spaceship had been put in the basement by the government, then Kal wouldn’t have any reason to get Max arrested. If Max couldn’t fly the spaceship himself, then Kal wouldn’t have any reason to get Max arrested.

Kal interfered in Max's life, because Kal didn’t want Max to get the spaceship, because Kal knew that Max had the diamond key and that Max could fly the spaceship himself.

Max (and the others) didn’t know that Kal got Max arrested. Kal got Max arrested, because Kal didn’t want Max to get the spaceship.

The beautiful spaceship was in perfect condition and fully functional. It required a diamond key to access the ship. In contrast, Hal saw broken apart pieces of a spaceship in 1947. The spaceship under the convenience store was completely intact and flew up into the air.

The audience also knows that General Chambers didn’t tell Kal where the spaceship was. Max didn’t know that, because Kal kept Max out of the meeting with General Chambers. Kal knew that the spaceship was at the Wm. Norton Research Center, without General Chambers telling him. Kal also knew exactly where in the Center the spaceship was.

So the audience knows that the spaceship was important enough to Kal to know where the spaceship was at all times. If the spaceship was junk and couldn’t fly, then Kal would have no reason to know or care about where the spaceship was. If the spaceship couldn’t fly, but had important things inside it that Kal wanted, then Kal could have taken away the important things and left the spaceship behind.

If Kal didn’t want humans or aliens to find any part of the spaceship, he could have dumped the spaceship into the ocean or into a volcano or buried the spaceship in concrete, to keep humans or aliens from getting it. Kal was a shapeshifter, who could be anyone. He could become a person in authority and accomplish what he wanted. Kal knew where the spaceship was at all times. The spaceship was important to Kal. The spaceship was where Kal wanted it to be.

The government didn’t know that Max entered the basement, using alien powers to get through the wall and through the security door. The government didn’t know that Max used the diamond key in the basement, activating the spaceship. The government didn’t arrest Max in Utah for being an alien.

The spaceship was moved. It wasn’t in the basement, when Max went back again, after he was released. Kal knew exactly where the spaceship was at all times, because the spaceship was important to Kal, because the spaceship was fully functional and could fly. Kal hid the spaceship from humans and from his enemies, who were aliens. Kal wanted the spaceship, in case Kivar or some other enemy took over Earth. Kal could fly the spaceship to other planets, besides Antar.

Kal kept Max from going with him into the meeting with General Chambers, because Kal knew that the General didn’t know where the spaceship was. Kal didn’t want Max to know that he (Kal) knew where the spaceship was, without anyone telling him. Kal knew that if Max told him to tell where the spaceship was, then Kal would have to tell Max. Kal didn’t want Max to know that he (Kal) knew where the spaceship was, without being told, because the spaceship was important to Kal, because the spaceship was fully functional and could fly.





Reggie, I don’t think spaceships need landing gears, since they are spaceships and not airplanes. :) The spaceship in Utah could have sat on the ground, if someone wanted it to. If the spaceship was unimportant and junk, it could have sat on the floor, which was toxically contaminated. Instead, the spaceship was off the floor, on supports.

Ships carry spare parts. Kal, Max, Michael, and Isabel had special powers. If there was anything wrong with the spaceship, they could have fixed it. :)



Max and Liz believed the spaceship in Utah was the 1947 crashed spaceship. They found the spaceship based on information that Nasedo wrote down for Tess. Nasedo was Tess’ enemy, as well as Max, Michael, and Isabel’s enemy. Kivar wasn’t Tess’ ally. Nasedo lied to Tess about Kivar. Kivar had killed the Royal Four. Kivar wanted to kill baby Zan.

Nasedo wrote down information for Tess about the spaceship, in an attempt to convince Tess that he was helping her. Nasedo didn’t write down the exact location of the diamond key or the exact location of the spaceship for Tess, because Nasedo never intended for Tess to use the spaceship on her own. Nasedo intended to get control of Tess, Max, Michael, and Isabel. Whitaker fatally wounded Nasedo, before he was able to carry out his plans.






The Skins arrived on Earth in 1950. They didn’t have a way to leave Earth, whose atmosphere was lethal to them, without husks. After Courtney ruined the new husks, the Skins didn’t go and get the spaceship in Utah. Kivar hadn’t left a spaceship for the Skins to leave Earth, in case of an emergency. Kivar hadn’t sent along spaceship builders or materials to build or repair spaceships. Kivar hadn’t sent a new spaceship, if the first spaceship had crashed. The Skins were exiles on Earth, without a way off the planet.

For me, the spaceship wasn't functional. Max ordered Kal to make it work, and since Kal has to obey Max, if the ship was working, then he would have been able to make it work.

Besides, I think that this ship wasn't the big ship that crashed, this one is probably completly destroyed. But it could be a kind of lifeboat, small enough to contain 2 aliens, 8 pods and a Granolith. I don't know how long it took, in the 40s, for the aliens to reach Earth, but a spaceship with at least 4 aliens and 8 pods, needed carburant, furnitures, beds, food... therefore a bigger spaceship.

Kal cared about the flying saucer. Kal interfered in Max’s life, because Kal wanted to keep Max from the flying saucer.

Kal knew that Max was after the flying saucer. He didn’t want Max to get the flying saucer. Kal blew his cover to keep Max from the flying saucer. If the flying saucer couldn’t fly, then Kal had no reason to interfere in Max’s life.

Max, Liz, and the others didn’t know that Kal got Max and Liz arrested.

Max knew that Kal tried many times to kill him. Kal couldn’t kill Max, even though he wanted to. Kal could have left, or traveled, or moved away to avoid Max, but he didn’t. Kal stayed around, while Max was after the ship, in order to keep Max from getting the flying saucer, which was fully functional and flew off the ground.

Kal only obeyed direct, specific, exact orders from Max. Max told Kal, “Shapeshift. Fly the ship.” Kal shapeshifted. He flew the ship. The flying saucer flew into the air, off the supports. Kal followed the instruction exactly and no more. Max neglected to tell Kal how long to fly the ship or where to fly the flying saucer to. Kal pretended that the flying saucer was too damaged to fly. Max was young and inexperienced. He didn’t go inside the flying saucer to watch Kal. Max didn’t check for damage inside the flying saucer, after Kal left the saucer and pretended that his life was ruined. Kal’s life wasn’t ruined. He still had everything that he had before.



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I doubt that the 1947 crashed vessel was ever reassembled by humans. I think the craft that Hal and Richie and the military saw in 1947 was in too many pieces to be put back together by humans.

I think Kal and Nasedo arrived on Earth around 1959, 12 years after the 1947 crash. I think Kal and Nasedo arrived on Earth in the flying saucer, which they hid in the toxically contaminated government site, under the convenience store in Utah.

I think a flying saucer the size of the one in Utah could have brought an alien crew and the two sets of pods to Earth. Or the 1947 vessel that crashed could have been larger than the flying saucer that Kal and Nasedo used to get to Earth.





Max thought he needed a navigator to get to Antar. Max had read what Nasedo wrote to Tess. Nasedo was Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess’ enemy. Nasedo may have written that Tess would need someone to navigate the ship, in order to convince Tess that she needed his help. Max may have gotten the idea that he needed a navigator from what he read in what Nasedo wrote to Tess.




Again, I think that the 1947 crashed vessel was a different vessel from the flying saucer that was hidden in Utah and later moved to the Air Force Wm. Norton Research Center. Kal knew where the flying saucer was, without anyone telling him. The flying saucer was important to Kal, because it was his way off Earth, in case of an emergency.

The 1947 vessel could have been larger or the same size, as the flying saucer that Max and Liz found. We don’t know if the 1947 crew needed to eat, while going to Earth. Perhaps the crew was in stasis or hibernation for the trip to Earth. Perhaps the crew ate pills, rather than regular food. Perhaps the crew had food that they could replicate. Whatever the size of the vessel that brought the 1947 mission to Earth, it was sufficiently big enough for the task. :)






Kal didn’t say to Max that the flying saucer was a landing pod that could only fly from and to a bigger ship above Earth.

Kal didn’t want to go to Antar. If the flying saucer had only been a landing pod, then Kal would have told Max that. But Kal didn’t say to Max that the flying saucer couldn’t fly to Antar. Instead, Kal told Max that Earth was such a better place, hoping to convince Max not to leave and take them both to Antar. Kal knew that the flying saucer could fly to Antar. Kal knew that Max could fly the saucer himself. Kal blew his cover trying to stop Max, because Kal didn’t want Max to fly the flying saucer away. Kal wanted the flying saucer himself, in case Kivar or someone else took over Earth, or in case a meteor came, or in case war or disease overtook Earth. Kal could then fly to other planets (besides Antar) on the flying saucer.

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I know that this theory is popular around here, but Kal clearly said that he had been here for 50 years, if not more, not 40.

:wave: Hi xmag! Happy weekend!



Kal knew that Max arrived on Earth in the 1947 crash. Kal learned from Max that Max thought that Kal was their protector.


From the episode Control, at the beginning, inside the Film Vault:


KAL: Why are you here?
MAX: I'm looking for our ship... From the '47 crash.

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MAX (to Kal): I came all this way to find you. I need your help. You're our protector.




Before Max ever met Kal, Max had already decided in his own mind that Kal was a protector from the 1947 crash.

Max found Kal though a series of things, including the paper Nasedo wrote to Tess, Liz's help, the police questioning Max about Joey Ferrini's death, and Michael identifying Joey's picture as the guy who gave him a warning to give Max in Utah. Tess and Max believed that Nasedo was a protector from the 1947 crash, because Nasedo found Tess. So Max had already decided from what he believed was true that Kal was a protector from the 1947 crash. Max failed to consider any other possibility about Kal's (or Nasedo's) identity or Kal's (and Nasedo's) actual year of arrival on Earth.

Neither Kal nor Nasedo were protectors. Neither Kal nor Nasedo protected any of the Royal Four. Kal and Nasedo were enemies of the Royal Four. Kal wanted to keep Max from the saucer spaceship, because Kal knew that the saucer could fly and that Max could fly the spaceship by himself.

Kal pretended to Max that he was a protector. But Kal tried many times to kill Max. Kal wasn't a protector. He told Max not to call him a protector. Kal knew that if Max told Kal to protect him, them Kal would have to protect Max.

Kal used the fact that Max thought Kal was a protector from the 1947 crash to keep Max from finding out the real truth about Kal and about the flying saucer spaceship. Max should have told Kal to always tell him the complete truth. Max should have asked Kal more questions. Max should have realized that Kal and Nasedo weren't protectors. However, Max was young and inexperienced.

Kal could lie and deceive Max and did so. Kal lied to Max about many things. Max failed to tell Kal to always tell him the complete truth.

Max thought that Kal was a protector from the 1947 crash, but Kal wasn't.







[Inside the Film Vault, fire burns. Max is on the floor. Kal has his foot on Max's face, controlling him.]

MAX: mmhhh!
KAL: Why are you here?
MAX: I'm looking for our ship... From the '47 crash.
KAL: Who are you working with?
MAX: No one.
KAL: Don't lie to me. I will kill you.
MAX: Like you killed Ferrini?
KAL: How did you get to Los Angeles?
MAX: I-10 west, then straight north.
KAL: Don't get cute with me, you prick.
MAX: Do you murder everyone who discovers you're an alien, or do they get a warning first? Unnhh! [Kal stepped harder on Max's face]
KAL: Why do you think I know where this ship is?
MAX: You knew it was in Utah.
KAL: Who else knows?
MAX (coughing from the smoke): Please, the...
KAl: Answer me!
[Max breathing hard and coughing]
KAL: So, this is the mighty King of Antar. A low-rent Tom Cruise with a $10 haircut? Buddy boy, you have no idea what you're gettin' yourself into.
MAX: I came all this way to find you. I need your help. You're our protector.
KAL: Don't call me that. Yeah...I was put on that ship to protect you. But that was 50 years ago.


So Kal learned from what Max told Kal that Max already thought that Kal was a protector from the 1947 mission.

Max thought that Kal was their protector. Kal used Max's misconception that Kal was a protector from the 1947 crash to keep Max from learning the truth about Kal and the saucer spaceship.

Notice in the above dialog how concerned and insistent Kal is in learning how Max knew about the ship and who else knew about the ship.

If the flying saucer couldn't fly, then Kal had no reason to be concerned about the whereabouts of the spaceship. But Kal was very concerned about who knew about the flying saucer spaceship. He blew his cover to find out what Max and anyone else might know. Kal could have avoided Max. But Kal was very concerned that Max or others would find the flying saucer and fly it away. Kal knew where the ship was at all times, without anyone telling him. Kal wanted to keep the saucer spaceship hidden, so he could use the flying saucer spaceship himself anytime he wanted.





Max identified Kal as their protector. Kal told Max not to call him that. Kal used Max's mistake in thinking that Kal was their protector from the 1947 mission to keep Max from finding out the real truth about Kal and about the saucer spaceship.


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So where are the two ALIVE aliens who escaped with the pods, in 1947, that Hal Carver saw, if they aren't Kal and Nacedo ?


He wanted to be human above everything, to feel what the humans feel, to live the life of a Hollywood producer, that was much better than being a baby-sitter. He could have been sent as a protector, then fell under Earth's way of living and found it much more interesting and fascinating than being the R4 protector, forced to obey orders, to do things for them....

Honestly, in his shoes, which life would you prefer ?

If there was one time when Kal was honest and sincere, it was when he talked about the little human pleasures, and about how much he loved his life on Earth. So I have no reason not to believe him when he says :

Max: if your life is so limited, then how can you stand living here?

Kal: I've learned to diminish my alienness.

Max: How? I don't shapeshift. I haven't done it in years. Gives the body organs a chance to function.

Max: That seems impossible.

Kal: Well, first 30 years, it was. Then, in 1978... I smelled chlorine in the pool. Soon after that, lemons. Last 20 years was a bust, but don't you feel sorry for me. I love my life.

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Now, mathematics have never been my favorite class, but if I do the math, first 30 years = nothing, then 1978 = Cal smelled chlorine. Therefore, Cal has been on Earth since 1947/1948 more or less. Not 1959. Why should he lie to him about that ? If he wasn't a protector, he should have said : " I was sent as part of a rescue mission in 1959, I was just a pilot, but my ship crashed". Why send a guy who is forced to obey the king, when nobody knows if said king is still alive ?

If he were here since 1959, why hide it ?

I don’t think anyone would send Kal to be a babysitter for anyone or anything. Kal was a self-centered murderer. He lacked the personality and the conscience to be a babysitter or a protector.

When I think of a protector, I think of someone like Max, Michael, Isabel, Tess, Liz, Maria, Alex, Kyle, Jim Valenti, and Jesse. They were protectors. They cared about others and protected other people. They put their lives and reputations on the line to help and to protect people. Kal didn’t. Kal wasn’t a protector. No one would want someone like Kal or Nasedo to babysit or protect people they cared about. Both Kal and Nasedo were mostly bad people who were completely unsuitable to care for or to protect people.



xmag, I, too, think that Kal loved the pleasures of Earth. But life isn’t just about self pleasures. Responsible people care about helping people.

Kal was a murderer. He murdered the actress, when he didn’t get what he wanted. He murdered Joey Ferrini, Jr. He physically abused Max multiple times. He tried to kill Max many times. Kal was a mostly bad person, who harmed and murdered people.





Kal hid the actual year of his arrival from Max, because he didn’t want Max to fly away the flying saucer spaceship.

Kal didn’t say to Max that he was sent as part of a rescue mission in 1959, because Kal wasn’t part of a rescue mission. Kal arrived on Earth with Nasedo, around 1959, the year Kal murdered the actress and Nasedo murdered Atherton.

The 1947 ship crashed. Kal was willing to let Max think that he (Kal) was part of the 1947 mission, because Max already believed (before Max ever met Kal) that Kal was part of the 1947 mission that crashed. It would be easier to convince Max that the ship couldn’t fly, if Max continued to think (as he already did) that the ship was the ship that had crashed. It would be easier to get Max to trust him, if Max continued to believe that Kal was a protector from the 1947 mission.

There wasn’t a 1959 report of any crashed spaceship. So, if Kal told Max he had arrived in 1959, then Max would be skeptical about Kal’s purpose in coming to Earth and skeptical about any pretend damage to the saucer spaceship.

Kal lied to Max, because Kal didn’t want Max to fly the saucer spaceship away. The flying saucer was completely functional and flew. Kal knew that Max could fly the spaceship by himself. Kal interfered in Max’s life, because Kal wanted the flying saucer for himself, in case life on Earth stopped being wonderful. Kal needed the saucer spaceship, in case a meteor came, or in case enemy aliens took over Earth, or in case disease or war overran Earth. Kal could fly to other planets on the beautiful, fully functional flying saucer spaceship.




Max drew wrong conclusions about Kal and about Nasedo. (Other characters also came to wrong conclusions sometimes, too.:))

Kal used Max’s mistaken ideas to convince Max that the saucer spaceship couldn’t fly and to convince Max that Max had ruined Kal's life. Kal was an experienced manipulator, who had been on Earth since 1959.



Kal’s goal was to keep Max from the spaceship and to keep Max from returning to Kal or to the spaceship in the future. Kal decided after observing Max and talking to Max and listening to Max that he would convince Max that the spaceship was useless and that Max was a bad person.


Kal knew that Max cared about people. Max had a girlfriend, and Max had a child he loved and risked death to help. Max was a caring person who cared about others. Kal used that knowledge to pretend to Max that Max had ruined Kal’s life.

Max didn’t see Nasedo eat chicken and mashed potatoes. Max didn’t see Nasedo eat tic tacs or cotton candy. Max didn’t realize that Kal was lying to him about his sense of smell. Max drew his own wrong conclusions about Kal, based on his observations of Kal and based on his own experiences.

Max’s mistake was that he believed that if a person couldn’t feel pain, then the person wouldn’t feel pleasure, either. Max also drew a wrong conclusion about the lemons in Kal's refrigerator, based on his own experience, after he came out of the pod. Max’s sense of smell and taste had taken time to develop, after he came out of the pod. Max told Kal about his own experience.

Kal wasn’t a child of six, like Max appeared to be, when Max emerged from his hibernation pod. Kal had been on Earth, since 1959. Kal’s senses were fully developed, except for his sense of pain. Kal could feel pleasure. He got massages in his home. He enjoyed cigars. He enjoyed getting expensive, unique things, like the special cell phone. He lived in an expensive home, had an expensive car, and threw expensive parties.

Kal probably had so many lemons in his refrigerator, because he had a party the previous evening and the lemons were left over from the party. Kal also had other things in his refrigerator. He had ice cream. Max had breakfast in the kitchen, without any lemons. So Max mistakenly thought that the presence of many lemons in Kal’s refrigerator meant that Kal’s sense of smell and taste were limited. Max told Kal what he thought. Kal used Max’s misconceptions to pretend to Max that he had been able to develop a smell for chlorine and lemons, because he hadn’t shapeshifted, since arriving on Earth.

It looked to me like Kal shapeshifted, after he murdered Joey Ferrini, Jr. Nasedo shapeshifted many times. Nasedo ate and seemed to enjoy different foods that didn’t include lemons.



A lying, murdering, abusive person like Kal should always be doubted. Don’t trust or confide in or give out information to people like Kal.

With time, Max and the others might come to realize that Kal had never been a protector and had never been part of the 1947 mission. Some day, the group might use the beautiful, completely functional flying saucer to help Earth and people of other planets. :)


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Hi everyone! :wave:
Just checking in briefly. Still having eye issues due to cataract surgery.
Wish I'd waited a year, but might as well go through with the second one so they can work together...I hope. :confused:

So I just skimmed the above posts.
Thought:
I see Kal & Nasedo as unwilling "protectors" who were "programmed" to serve Max.
And I also see the shapeshifters as having, as their ultimate goal, the death of Max whereby they would be released from the "program," or, at least, to be somewhere Max couldn't find them.
Or, maybe they would still need to be distant from Michael if Max died (don't know if genetic programming included servitude to the bearer of the Royal Seal, or just to Max).
Anyway, this could account for Nasedo's failure to "find" Max earlier, and also for his lame excuse that continues to cause much conternation among us fans.

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Have any of you been catching the Roswell episodes on about 2am Saturday after the SciFi Friday (SG1, Atlantis, BSG, Andromeda Rerun, Roswell)?