He did a poor job, then. Because Max got out and Michael wasn't captured, talk about some bad plan. And why did he kill the agent who found them in the morgue ? he should have reported Michael as the alien and knocked him out. Bam, Max and Michael both prisoners.

I never, never, never saw it that way. For me, he killed whoever was in his way, agents, innocent people, who happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, not to frame Max. What would have happened if he were taken in 1962, because of one murder ? He couldn't blame it on Max, who wasn't even hatched yet.

Max hit Michael in season 1, when he met Topolsky. Michael and Max had a fight in his apartment before they found the bug. That didn't mean that they were enemies who wanted to kill each other. Michael threw Kyle quite violently across the room in 285 South, and it was just fighting.

Now, Max was threatening Kal's way of life in season 3, so at first, he tried the nice way : a warning. Then, when Max came to LA, he did what he could to get rid of him. Kal didn't plan to deliver him to Khivar, he just wanted to forget about anything alien, and when he was reminded of that, he acted.

Hi xmag! :wave:

Nasedo planned to get the Royal Four sequentially captured and held. He first got Michael arrested. But Maria and her mother vouched for Michael, and the Sheriff released Michael. Nasedo pretended that Hank was alive to the Sheriff, so that he could frame Michael again for Hank’s murder. Nasedo wanted Michael captured.

Nasedo impersonated Max and kidnapped Liz. He framed Max for all the silver handprint murders. He succeeded in getting Max captured. If Max hadn’t been captured at the carnival, he would have been captured later. After Max was captured, Nadedo failed to get Michael captured at Eagle Rock Military Base Medical Research Facility for three reasons:

1) Nasedo underestimated Michael. Michael authoritatively told the other agents that he was carrying out Pierce’s orders and that Pierce wanted their help, as the agents saw Michael taking Max away. Even though Michael wasn’t a Special Unit agent, Michael acted as though he was a Special Agent. Nasedo knew that Michael wasn’t a Special Unit agent. Nasedo refused to leave with Max and Michael, even though he pretended he couldn’t get past the security door without Michael’s help. Nasedo expected that Michael would be captured with Max, as Michael attempted to leave with Max. As Nasedo said, timing was everything. Max couldn't walk without Michael's help. Max had no powers. So, Max couldn’t protect himself or Michael. Michael had his hands full helping Max. Again, Nasedo knew that Michael wasn’t a Special Unit agent. Nasedo didn’t kill Pierce, when he stood right next to Pierce in the white room. Instead Nasedo waited for Pierce to come out of the mindwarp and began chatting with Pierce. Nasedo wanted Michael to be captured next.

2) Nasedo failed to hide Agent Matheson’s body well enough. Other agents found Matheson’s body. The agents then shot and killed Nasedo, who had replaced Matheson.

3) Nasedo didn’t know that Liz would go to the Sheriff, or that the Sheriff would help Max and Michael escape.





Nasedo didn’t capture Michael, Isabel, and Tess in the morgue, because they all had powers. Nasedo didn't report Michael as alien to the other agents, after they passed through the security door, because Michael's hands were free. Michael could use his powers against the agents to escape and tell Isabel and Tess that Nasedo was their enemy.

Nasedo knew exactly where Max was, even though Nasedo pretended that he couldn't get past the security door.

Nasedo planned that the agents would capture Michael, as Michael had his hands full with Max, as Michael left with Max, who couldn't walk on his own.


Nasedo came into the morgue looking like an agent, who was already in the complex. Nasedo decided to get Michael captured next. Nasedo couldn’t continue to look like the agent he came in as, because the agent he looked like was walking around. People would know that one of them was phony. Nasedo killed Agent Matheson in the morgue, so he could take Agent Matheson’s place.

If you watch minute 24 on the DVD version of The White Room, you can see Nasedo pretending to be an agent, who is already in the complex. Nasedo leads Michael, Isabel, and Tess out of the morgue. Nasedo abruptly stops. He watches the agent, who he looks like, pass by the window in the door. Nasedo, Michael, Isabel, and Tess return to the morgue. Nasedo kills Agent Matheson, when Agent Matheson comes into the morgue. Nasedo then becomes Agent Matheson, without there being two agents who look the same, moving about the complex. To Michael, Isabel, and Tess, Nasedo appears to be helping them. The audience, though, later sees more than Michael, Isabel, and Tess are shown.







Nasedo began his silver handprint murders in 1959, when he murdered Atherton. Atherton wasn’t in Nasedo’s way. Nasedo was a shapeshifter, who could leave and become someone else. Nasedo deliberately left Atherton’s body out in the open with a conspicuous silver handprint on it, so humans would notice and report strange handprint incidents, so Nasedo could find the Royal Four. Nasedo wasn’t part of the 1947 mission. Nasedo didn’t know that Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess were in hibernation pods inside the rock formation in 1959. Otherwise, Nasedo could have captured the Royal Four in the pod chamber and used their cells in 1959.

Nasedo didn’t need to kill Sheila Hubble. He didn’t take her car. There was only some loose change in the car. So Nasedo didn’t kill Sheila Hubble for the car or for money.

Nasedo was searching for the Royal Four, beginning in 1959. He didn’t know where they were or that they were in hibernation pods, because Nasedo wasn’t part of the 1947 mission.


When Nasedo entered the morgue where Tess, Michael, and Isabel were, he said, “What are you doing here.” He didn’t introduce himself. When Michael held up his hand to use his powers against Nasedo, Nasedo then blasted Michael into a door with his own powers, instead of telling the group who he was. In contrast, Courtney surprised Michael, as Michael and Maria were watching Courtney’s place. Michael held up his hand to use his powers against Courtney. Courtney immediately asked Michael to stop. Courtney wasn’t an enemy. She wanted to help Michael. Nasedo didn’t want to help the Royal Four. Nasedo wanted to use them. He blasted Michael with his powers, instead of identifying himself, when he entered the morgue. He got Michael arrested. He got Max captured. Nasedo was their enemy.

Nasedo framed Michael for Hank’s disappearance.

The group doesn’t know that Nasedo killed Hank and framed Michael. The group doesn’t know that Nasedo could have pretended to be Hank immediately to the neighbors, instead of framing Michael. The group doesn’t know that Nasedo could have killed Pierce in downtown Roswell, the same way he killed the agent in downtown Roswell in board daylight. The group doesn’t know that Nasedo could have killed Pierce in the white room, when Nasedo stood right next to Pierce. The group doesn’t know the things that the audience knows about Nasedo and Kal. The group thought that Nasedo and Kal were from the 1947 crash. Nasedo and Kal, though, were actually enemies, who arrived on Earth, around 1959, when Nasedo began his handprint murders and Kal murdered the actress. Kal and Nasedo hid the beautiful, fully functional saucer spaceship in the toxically contaminated government storage area, under the convenience store in Utah.



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Knowing who your enemies are is very important. Max, Michael, and the others don’t know all the things that the audience knows and is shown. Nasedo and Kal were enemies.

People have the right to take reasonable measures to protect themselves, their group, and their property. Max used reasonable force to stop Michael from taking the orb to Toposky, after Michael twice refused to give the orb back to Max.

Max hit Michael, after Michael twice refused to return the orb. Michael insisted on keeping the orb and going to Topolsky, who was FBI. Max and Liz had found the orb. Topolsky was captured. Max was protecting Michael and the group, by not allowing Michael to go to Toposky with the orb.


Kal, in contrast, got Max arrested. Max was an alien. The people who arrested Max were humans. Kal harmed Max, before Max even knew who Kal was. Kal physically abused Max repeatedly. Kal tried to kill Max. Kal was Max’s enemy.

Kal harmed Max, for Kal’s own benefit, not for Max’s benefit. Kal wasn’t a teenager. Kal was an experienced adult, who had been on Earth for 40 years. Kal didn’t want Max to get the flying saucer spaceship.

Max harmed Michael physically, but saved Michael from worse, if Michael had been captured by the FBI. Max knew that Topolsky was FBI. Max was protecting Michael and the group, by hitting Michael and stopping Michael from going to Topolsky with the orb, which was an alien device.

Max and Michael were friends. Kal was Max’s enemy. Kal abused Max physically repeatedly. Kal got Max arrested. Kal told Max that he would kill him. Kal repeatedly tried to kill Max. Kal knocked Max unconscious, with fire burning. Kal was Max’s enemy.

Michael, as you say, threw Kyle across the room, when Kyle came into the motel room and refused to leave. Kyle wasn’t Michael’s friend. Kyle had told Max in front of Michael in the café that he (Kyle) was onto Max. So Michael saw Kyle as their enemy. And Kyle was their enemy, at that time. Kyle afterward told Liz in the janitor’s closet that he would get something on Max to destroy him. Kyle was Max’s enemy, at that time. Kyle intended to harm Max. Kal intended to harm Max and did harm Max. Kal got Max arrested. Kal physically abused Max repeatedly. Kal knocked Max unconscious, with fire burning. Kal told Max that he would kill him. Kal was Max’s enemy.

Max didn’t threaten Kal’s way of life, until after Kal interfered in Max’s life. Kal was a mostly bad person. People like Kal should have their lives interfered with. Kal was a murderer. Max wouldn’t have known about Kal, if Kal hadn’t interfered in Max’s life.




Kal got Max arrested in Utah, before Max even knew who Kal was. Kal was the aggressor against Max. Max didn’t know that Kal got Max arrested.

Kal lived in California, a different state than Utah, where Kal got Max arrested. Max’s being in Utah looking for the spaceship didn’t threaten Kal’s way of life in California, since Max wasn’t in California, and Max didn’t know anything about Kal.

Max only found Kal, because Kal interfered in Max’s life. If Kal had let Max get the spaceship, Kal would have been undiscovered by Max. Max later found Kal, because Kal killed Joey Ferrini, Jr., whose death led the police to question Max. Max realized that Joey had been killed by an alien, who Max thought was part of the 1947 crash.

Again, if Kal hadn’t interfered in Max’s life, Max wouldn’t have found Kal in California. Kal attacked Max in the film vault. The film vault wasn’t Kal’s. Max wasn’t interfering in Kal’s life. Kal knew that Max had figured out he had been in Roswell in 1959. Kal tried to kill Max.

Kal wanted to prevent Max from getting the saucer spaceship, which Kal knew could fly to other planets.

Kal could have avoided Max, when Max was in California. Instead, Kal tried to murder Max. Kal was the aggressor against Max in Utah and in California. Kal was Max’s enemy.




Max mistakenly thought that Kal was their protector. Max and the others don’t know the things that the audience knows. Max doesn’t know that Kal knew where the spaceship was, without anyone telling him. Kal wasn’t a protector. Kal was Max’s enemy. Kal wanted the saucer spaceship for himself, in case he wanted or needed to leave Earth to go to other planets.



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And he also said that they hadn't developped their powers to the fullest, far from it, so if Nacedo wanted to take them down, now was the time. When they were still unaware of their powers and potentials. Nacedo was more skilled and more used to his powers, he had decades of training.

The problem is that much of what is posted here is based on speculations.

According to what was said on the CD, Atherton witnessed Cal killing that actress in 1959, pushing Nacedo to kill him because of what he knew.

Nacedo left his clues in the caves, with the drawings/paintings on the wall, and River Dog was in charge to test the people coming there.

And I think that Nacedo didn't leave the body in the open, he was discovered by the young River Dog and since he didn't want to kill him too, he left without being able to destroy Atherton's body.

People sometimes speculate about things. :) In order to learn the facts, people observe and gather evidence. Observation and gathering evidence helps people discover the truth. With thinking, observing, and compiling the evidence, people can figure things out. :)

When Roswell began, people could speculate about why an alien would murder a man, leaving behind the corpse with a silver handprint on it—a silver handprint that disappeared in a day or two, the same way that the silver handprint left on Liz disappeared, after Max healed her. We wonder, why not hide the body, until the handprint disappeared.

Subsequent episodes provide the audience with facts that aren't available to the main characters. The episodes provide the audience with evidence about Nasedo and Kal. The audience learns and knows more about Nasedo and Kal than the main characters learn or know.


Nasedo couldn't capture Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess together, all at once, because they had powers.

Max, Michael, and Isabel worked together. Together, a group can be stronger and more successful, than an individual alone. Consider, for example, two or three small birds attacking and fighting off a large and powerful hawk. Individually, each bird is no match for the hawk. Working together, though, the birds can chase the hawk away and save themselves and other birds.

Nasedo couldn’t capture Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess all together, because together, they were stronger and more powerful than Nasedo. Instead, Nasedo wanted to capture them each sequentially, using humans to help him.

Nasedo saw Max, Michael, and Isabel working together; using their powers together to illuminate the symbol he left in the woods. He knew that they had alien powers. He knew that they worked together cooperatively. He knew that they were the missing three of the Royal Four.


Nasedo observed and photographed Max, Michael, and Isabel. He photographed them walking together, smiling. He dropped that photograph into flames he created, after Michael left a symbol on the grass and Isabel erased it. That is evidence. That shows that Nasedo had been watching Max, Michael, and Isabel and that Nasedo had bad intent towards them. People burn pictures of people they dislike or have bad intent towards. The evidence speaks. We, the audience, know more about Nasedo than the main characters knew.



Nasedo impersonated Max and intentionally framed Max for all the silver handprint murders. That is fact. Nasedo got Max captured by the FBI Special Unit.

If Max hadn't been captured at the carnival, he would have been captured later. The audience sees and hears Nasedo call the FBI, leading them to find the body of the dead agent, with a silver handprint on him. The audience sees that "Max" was photographed with Liz at the gas station, where "Max" left a silver handprint on the pump and started a fire. Pictures from the gas station incident outside Hondo were faxed to the police station in Roswell. Nasedo deliberately framed Max for all the silver handprint murders. That is fact. That is evidence against Nasedo.

Pierce was in Roswell, when Nasedo was in Roswell. The audience knows that Nasedo could have killed Pierce in Roswell. Instead, the audience sees Nasedo kill a different agent in downtown Roswell. That is fact. It is evidence of Nasedo’s bad intent towards Max. Nasedo could have killed Pierce in downtown Roswell in broad daylight, if he had wanted to. The audience also knows that Nasedo could have killed Pierce in the white room, as he stood right next to Pierce, if he had wanted to kill Pierce. Nasedo didn't kill Pierce, because that wasn't his objective. Nasedo's objective was to get the Royal Four sequentially captured and held, so he could produce a Royal, lineal heir with Antarian blood, who could inherit the Seal of Antar.



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That wasn't in the episodes.

However, suppose that Atherton witnessed Kal killing the actress in Roswell in 1959. Nasedo could have killed Atherton the same way that Kal killed the actress. Nasedo could have made Atherton's death look like a lightning strike. Lightning can and does kill people. River Dog said he was too far away to see what happened.

Instead, Nasedo deliberately left a handprint on Atherton's body. Nasedo didn't hide or carry away or destroy Atherton's body or destroy the silver handprint on Atherton’s body. Nasedo didn't make Atherton's death look like a lightning strike. He didn't make Atherton's murder look like a human murder. So, supposing that Nasedo’s decision to murder Atherton was prompted because Atherton saw Kal kill the actress, Nasedo could have made Atherton’s death look like a lightning strike or like a human murder. Then no one would know or report Atherton’s death as a silver handprint murder. Nasedo could have taken away Atherton's body, the way he took away Hank's body and the way he took away the body of the agent he murdered in downtown Roswell, with people in the area. Instead, Nasedo deliberately left behind Atherton's body in the open, for humans to find and report the silver handprint murder. Nasedo also deliberately left Sheila Hubble's body out in the open for humans to find. Nasedo also left the bodies of all the people Hubble had photographs of, with a handprint on each body. Nasedo left bodies in plain sight for humans to find. Nasedo wanted humans to notice and report strange, alien handprint incidents, so he could find the Royal Four. Nasedo didn't know the Royal Four were in hibernation pods in 1959, when he began his silver handprint murders. Nasedo wasn't part of the 1947 mission.




River Dog wasn’t close enough to see what happened.

RIVER DOG: I was too far away to see what happened, but when I reached them, Atherton was dead.

Nasedo could have taken Atherton’s body away, the way he took away Hank’s body and the agent’s body in downtown Roswell. Nasedo could have made Atherton’s death look like a human murder. Nasedo could have made Atherton’s death look like a lightning strike, the way Kal murdered the actress and Joey Ferrini, Jr.

Nasedo killed Atherton, leaving a handprint on Atherton's body. The handprint later disappeared from Atherton's body, the same way the handprint on Liz disappeared, after Liz was healed. Whether or not Nasedo killed Atherton because Atherton had seen Kal kill the actress, Nasedo chose to kill Atherton the same way that Max/King Zan healed people. Nasedo wanted to find Max/King Zan.

Atherton wrote a book about aliens. Nasedo murdered Atherton in an alien manner. Nasedo wanted humans to know that Atherton's death was a strange, silver handprint incident. Nasedo wanted humans to notice and report silver handprint incidents. Nasedo wanted humans to help him find the Royal Four. Nasedo’s strategy eventually succeeded in helping him to find Max, Michael, and Isabel. Nasedo couldn’t find them, until after Max reportedly healed Liz, leaving a silver handprint.


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Nasedo wanted River Dog to only show his (Nasedo’s ) cave wall drawings to aliens, who passed a specific test.

There were other aliens with powers on Earth, in 1959, besides the Royal Four. Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess were still in pods in 1959. They remained in their pods for 30 years, beyond 1959. The Skins arrived on Earth in 1950. Kal, another shapeshifter, was also on Earth, in 1959, when he murdered the actress in Roswell. Nasedo may have left a message on the cave wall for Kal. Nasedo may have left the drawings for someone else.



Nasedo didn't put the drawings on the walls inside the pod chamber. Nasedo didn’t make the drawings for Max, Michael, Isabel, or Tess. Nasedo didn't know where the Royal Four were in 1959, or he could have left the drawings or a message for them inside the pod chamber.




Michael inserted the healing stones into the cave wall, forming the Seal of Antar. Michael identified it as a map.

Max, Michael, and Isabel couldn't read the symbols on the cave wall. They couldn't translate the book.

Later, Michael thought that he had figured out the cave wall symbols. He didn’t know how he had figured it out. Michael burned a symbol on the library lawn. The symbol that Michael burned on the library lawn was a different symbol than the symbol Nasedo left in the woods. It was a different symbol than the one that Nasedo projected into the sky at the carnival.

I think Tess mindwarped Michael to think that he figured out the symbols. Michael couldn’t read the book. So I don’t think he figured out the cave symbols. I think Tess mindwarped Michael to think he had figured out the cave symbols and to think that he should burn a symbol on the library lawn.. I think Nasedo used Tess for a while to help him. Nasedo didn't use Tess' help, when he killed Hank. Tess hadn't known that Nasedo killed people, until Max told her.

In Four Square, Tess came to Michael's window, as he worked to figure out the cave wall symbols, after no one came to him and Isabel on the library lawn, when Michael burned the symbol into the grass. Tess placed four dots into fog she created with her breath on Michael's window.

I think Tess worked with Nasedo for a while. Nasedo had raised her. I think she mindwarped Michael to think he had figured out the cave symbols. I think Tess acted on her own, when she placed four dots on Michael’s window. Later, Tess went behind Nasedo's back and took Max, Michael, and Isabel to the rock formation that housed their four pods. Inside the podchamber, Tess told Nasedo that Max, Michael, and Isabel were her family—not Nasedo. That very same day, Nasedo pretended to be Max, kidnapped Liz, framed Max for all the silver handprint murders, and got Max captured. Nasedo didn't tell Tess what he was doing. He knew he could no longer trust Tess to help him. Tess and Max nearly saw Nasedo leave Roswell with Liz.


I think the idea of investigation is to figure things out. In Roswell, the audience is given more information about Nasedo and Kal than the main characters are given. The audience sees, knows, and can figure out more about Nasedo and Kal than what the main characters saw, knew, or could figure out.

Roswell is a wonderful story! It is a great mystery, romance, adventure, and science fiction story!


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No, but if the info was released for the CD, then it's semi-canon. It's what the writers had in mind but couldn't develop because of the lack of time, screen time, or whatever ?

C&V:
Nasedo observed and photographed Max, Michael, and Isabel. He photographed them walking together, smiling. He dropped that photograph into flames he created, after Michael left a symbol on the grass and Isabel erased it. That is evidence. That shows that Nasedo had been watching Max, Michael, and Isabel and (...)

No, it doesn't. It shows that someone had been watching the R3; and since we know that the FBI:SU considered them "persons of interest", it's entirely possible that the watcher was FBI. Even a scout for the Skins, for that matter; we don't know how far the Special Unit was penetrated. We do know that the signal in the woods was set off by an alien, IMHO Tic-tac. The photos of the R3 held by Mr. Harding could have been to familiarize Tess with her compatriots.

Nasedo impersonated Max and intentionally framed Max for all the silver handprint murders. That is fact. Nasedo got Max captured by the FBI Special Unit.

Not true! All Max had to do was appear in front of witnesses in Roswell at the same time, to prove that he wasn't the guy in the car. Given that, and evidence from Liz (one way or the other), and the FBI would have ironclad proof that the Max in Roswell was not their quarry. With Max off the hook, he'd be much safer. And if Liz was out of the way, Max might be more willing to re-bond with his "young bride". But our love-struck Max just had to try to rescue his soulmate :love: , and so put himself in peril. Max ordered Mr. H to save Liz, and so: It was a direct order, from his King; and Max wasn't coming without her; so Mr. H saved Liz, then went back for Max. Etc...

And remember: the stuff on the DVDs is all done after the debacle of S3. It probably is not what they were thinking at the time; those on staff then may have had no voice in what is presented on the DVDs.

Hi Reggie! :wave:

Nasedo worked against Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess. Nasedo was their enemy.

Nasedo intentionally framed Max for all the silver handprint crimes.

Nasedo knew who Max was. He didn’t instruct Max to stay in Roswell, in a public place, where Max could be seen by witnesses, while Nasedo kidnapped Liz and framed Max for all the silver handprint crimes. Nasedo was Max’s enemy. If Max hadn’t been captured at the carnival, he would have been captured later.

Nasedo knew who Michael was. Nasedo didn’t pretend to be Hank to the neighbors, as soon as he killed Hank. Instead, Nasedo had the neighbors hear loud, agonized cries. Nasedo framed Michael for Hank’s disappearance. After Amy and Maria cleared Michael, and the Sheriff released Michael, Nasedo pretended to the Sheriff that Hank was alive, so Nasedo could frame Michael again for Hank’s demise. Nasedo was Michael’s enemy.

We know that the person who dropped the photograph into the flames at the end of Blind Date had alien powers. He used only his hand to create fire on the lawn. The person created flames on the grass, without using gasoline or rope.

We know that there was a box of photographs in the Harding home, which Tess didn’t want Isabel to touch. Liz found that the box was full of photographs of Max.

We know that Ed Harding (Nasedo) got Max captured and held by the FBI, by framing Max for all the silver handprint crimes. We know that Nasedo could have killed Pierce in Roswell, if he had wanted to. We know that Nasedo could have killed Pierce in the white room, when he stood right next to Pierce, if he had wanted to. Nasedo wanted Pierce to stay alive, so Pierce and the FBI would sequentially capture and hold the Royal Four.



We know that the person who ignited the flames on the library lawn had a photograph of Isabel, Michael, and Max walking together, smiling. We know that the person with powers dropped that photograph into the flames, signifying bad intent towards Max, Michael, and Isabel.



Max didn’t order Nasedo to do anything in the mirror maze. Max didn’t give Nasedo a direct order inside the maze. Instead, Nasedo left Max alone in the maze, when Max didn't leave the maze. Nasedo didn’t want Pierce or the FBI to see two Maxes together. Nasedo abandoned Max in the maze, knowing that Max had been captured.

NASEDO: What are you doing? Get out of here.
MAX: Where’s Liz?
NASEDO: Pierce doesn’t care about her; he only wants me.
MAX: He wants her, too. He wants all of us. I’m not leaving without her.
NASEDO: I won’t let him take you.

Again, Nasedo left Max alone in the maze, when Max didn't leave the maze. Nasedo didn’t want Pierce or the FBI to see two Maxes. Nasedo left the maze and abandoned Max in the maze, knowing that Max had been captured.

Nasedo told Max that he wouldn’t let Pierce take Max. Then Nasedo let Pierce’s men take Max away. Nasedo wanted Max to be captured, and Max was captured. If Max hadn’t been captured at the carnival, he would have been captured later.

Nasedo didn’t care whether or not Max bonded with Tess. Nasedo’s plan was to get Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess captured and held. Nasedo was their enemy.



Nasedo had a collection of photographs of Max. He knew that Max and Liz were a couple. He knew that Max had saved Liz’s life. He knew that Max was in love with Liz.

As Nasedo had Liz in the convertible, Max phoned Liz on her cell. Nasedo let Liz answer her phone. He continued with opening the trunk of the car and dumping the agent’s body beside the road. Nasedo then took the phone from Liz and heard Max’s voice.

Nasedo knew that Max knew he (Nasedo) had Liz, as Max called Liz. Nasedo hung up on Max. Nasedo didn’t tell Max to stay in Roswell in a public place, with human witnesses. Nasedo knew that Max would want to find Liz and rescue her. Nasedo then went to the gas station outside Hondo. Nasedo told Liz, “Time to leave another clue.” Nasedo left a silver handprint on the gas pump and set fire. Liz and “Max” were photographed at the gas station. Their picture was faxed to the Sheriff’s office in Roswell. Nasedo framed Max for all the silver handprint crimes, knowing that Max would try to find and rescue Liz. Nasedo knew that Max loved Liz.

Again, when Nasedo heard Max on Liz’s cell phone, Nasedo didn’t tell Max to stay in Roswell in a public place, so people would think that a shapeshifter had taken Max’s place. Nasedo was Max’s enemy.



Nasedo didn’t tell Max, Michael, or Isabel about Kivar. He didn’t tell them about the Granilith. He didn’t tell Max, Michael, or Isabel about the spaceship in government storage. He didn’t tell Max, Michael, or Isabel about the diamond key needed to operate the spaceship. He didn’t tell them about the Dupes in New York. He didn’t tell them about the Seal of Antar. He didn’t teach them to read their language. He didn’t translate the book for them. Nasedo was Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess’ enemy.



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Well, that's what happened when one is a victim of a violent crime.

I thought that in your theory, Nacedo wanted Max to be captured ? So why did he say that he didn' t want Max to be taken ?

I don't think he let them, I think that Nacedo couldn't prevent Pierce and co to take Max. Nacedo feared Pierce, he was way too closer to the R4 and more clever than the other agents.

Then he did one hell of a lousy job in WR and Destiny.

For this plan to work, Nacedo shouldn't have buried Hank so far away, in a place where it will be hard to find the body. Nacedo killed Hank because he might needed a free Michael, or because he felt that he had to get rid of the man who had abused Michael. And he could have shapeshifted into Hank in the end to prove that Michael hadn''t killed him, and to end the investigation on this case.

Good points. :) But I've always thought that Nasedo only killed Hank because he was a threat to the alien secret. Somehow, I find it hard to believe that Nasedo cared about the conditions Michael lived in.

If Nacedo was spying on the R4 at that time, and saw that Michael had used his powers in front of Hank, then it's probably the reason why he killed him. I think it's the best reason I have heard so far, explaining Nacedo's reason for killing Hank.

Citrus&Vine:
Nasedo knew who Max was. He didn’t instruct Max to stay in Roswell, in a public place, where Max could be seen by witnesses, while Nasedo kidnapped Liz and framed Max for all the silver handprint crimes. Nasedo was Max’s enemy.
It doesn't follow. Max (being Max) would naturally seek out Liz; and the first place to look is the very public "Crashdown". Finding Liz missing, he'd make a beeline for the Sheriff, who would be an official witness that Max was in Roswell at that moment. Mr. Harding didn't need to tell Max anything. He knew who Max was.

And how do you frame someone for something that happened before they were born? Given that the series of silver handprints started before Max's "birth", and assuming that one entity was responsible for them all, he could not be held responsible for any in the series.

We know that the person who dropped the photograph into the flames at the end of Blind Date had alien powers. He used only his hand to create fire on the lawn. The person created flames on the grass, without using gasoline or rope.
We also know that the Skins had Powers and that they were monitoring the Special Unit, which was looking into the NM3. THe figure could easily have been a Skin agent, testing to see if the new-found NM3 were really aliens and aware of it. (We don't have any other idea why the sighting was staged, or by who.)

Max didn’t order Nasedo to do anything in the mirror maze. Max didn’t give Nasedo a direct order inside the maze. Instead, Nasedo left Max alone in the maze, when Max didn't leave the maze. Nasedo didn’t want Pierce or the FBI to see two Maxes together. Nasedo abandoned Max in the maze, knowing that Max had been captured.

NASEDO: What are you doing? Get out of here.
MAX: Where’s Liz?
NASEDO: Pierce doesn’t care about her; he only wants me.
MAX: He wants her, too. He wants all of us. I’m not leaving without her.
NASEDO: I won’t let him take you.

For Mr. H to get Max to leave, he had to get Liz out first. It's an implied order: Get Liz out first, and then me. So Mr. H did as he was told: He got Liz out first, and then proceded to rescue Max (by way of the White Room). It also suggests that Mr. H did not expect Max to have followed them, instead of staying in Roswell and establishing his alibi. As I said before! :)

... surely I haven't gotten the last word in the argument? :goof:

Oh, but he was in The Convention.
;)

Right, by a crazy person. :crazy:
I.e., you'd have to be crazy to hold Max responsible for things that happened before his (official) birth. :goof:

ETA: And since Max doesn't remember ruling on Twilo, that suggests that K 'var has a screw loose, too. Or is EVIL.

If you’d like the last word, please let me know. :) Otherwise…




Max was an alien. He hadn't been born the human way. Max had arrived on Earth in the 1947 crash. Some humans knew that aliens had come to Earth in 1947.

Nasedo framed Max for all the silver handprint crimes, by pretending to be Max, after killing the agent, leaving a silver handprint on the dead agent’s body, kidnapping Liz, and then calling the FBI, knowing that Max would try to rescue Liz. Nasedo didn’t warn Max to stay in Roswell in a public place, where humans could see him, even though Nasedo listened to Max on Liz’s phone. Nasedo hung up on Max, knowing that Max was in love with Liz and would try to save her. Nasedo led humans and Max to the carnival, where he could get humans to capture Max. Nasedo succeeded in getting humans to capture and hold Max.

Nasedo wanted Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess sequentially captured and held by humans. He was their enemy.

Nasedo got Michael arrested for Hank’s disappearance. Nasedo knowingly framed Max for all the silver handprint crimes. Nasedo knew that Max was an alien. Nasedo wanted the FBI and/or other humans to capture Max. Nasedo framed Max for the murder of the agent he left by mile marker 67. He framed Max for the fire and silver handprint at the gas station.

Again, Max arrived on Earth in 1947. Nasedo knew that Max hadn’t committed any silver handprint crimes. But the FBI and other humans had no way of knowing that Nasedo-Ed Harding had framed Max. The FBI and other humans had no way of knowing when Max (or any alien) was “born”. The FBI didn't know that Nasedo was the person who actually committed silver handprint murders. Nasedo didn't shapeshift in front of the Special Unit in the Mirror Maze to show them that Max was innocent. Nasedo didn't commit another silver handprint murder at the carnival, after Max was captured, to divert attention away from Max. Nasedo wanted Max captured and held by humans.

Nasedo could have killed Pierce or Hank as quickly and as quietly and as unobtrusively as he killed the agent in downtown Roswell in board daylight. But he didn’t. Nasedo wanted Michael and Max captured by humans, and they were each captured and held by humans, for a while. Fortunately, Amy and Maria and the Sheriff freed Michael. Fortunately, Michael, Isabel, Tess, Liz, and the Sheriff freed Max. :)




Whitaker, a Skin, wanted the Special Unit to remain operational, because she wanted humans to help her find the Royal Four, so she could find Vilandra, who was now Isabel.

The Special Unit didn’t capture Michael and Isabel, when they left the symbol on the library lawn and Isabel used her powers to erase the symbol. The Special Unit wasn’t watching Michael and Isabel then. The Special Unit didn’t capture Isabel for using alien powers.

Whitaker and the other Skins evidently didn’t know that Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess were the Royal Four in February 2000, at the time of Blind Date, when the person dropped the picture of Max, Michael, and Isabel into the flames. Whitaker didn’t come to Roswell to find Vilandra, until after “Pierce” started lying to her and to the government about what he knew. Then, after the the Special Unit was disbanded, Whitaker checked out Pierce’s last investigation (which was in Roswell, before he returned to Washington).

Nicholas and the other Copper Summit Skins didn’t know where the Royal Four were, until Max, Tess, Isabel, and Michael showed up in Copper Summit. None of the Skins knew that Max, Michael, and Isabel were in Roswell in February 2000. Nicholas, Whitaker, and the other Copper Summit Skins weren’t the person who rekindled the symbol Michael made on the library lawn.

Nasedo was the person, who rekindled the symbol. Nasedo didn’t care whether or not anyone noticed that an alien left a fire on the library lawn, where Michael had burned the symbol, with Isabel standing beside him. Nasedo wanted Michael and Isabel (and Max and Tess) captured by humans. Nasedo showed his contempt for Max, Michael, and Isabel by burning a photograph of them in the flames he created. Nasedo was their enemy. He kept photographs of Max at his house. He studied Max, Michael, and Isabel from February until May, working on ways to get them captured by humans. He succeeded in getting Michael and Max captured. Fortunately, their friends got them freed. :)

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Citrus & Vine:
Max was an alien. He hadn't been born the human way. Max had arrived on Earth in the 1947 crash. Some humans knew that aliens had come to Earth in 1947.


Right, but the Special Unit didn't know that. The records that they would have had access to, showed a 6-year-old Max and his sister being found, and starting school, and growing up with class pictures to doccument the process. Likewise, they should have had parallel records for Michael. As far as they had records, Max was born in 1983 or so; and there was no evidence to the contrary. The only anomaly was Liz's aleged healing itself; no silver handprint was recorded on her, nor was she left dead. Logicly, this doesn't fit in with the silver handprint murders. There's no reason to connect Max with them.

Nasedo framed Max for all the silver handprint crimes, by pretending to be Max, after killing the agent, leaving a silver handprint on the dead agent’s body, kidnapping Liz, and then calling the FBI, knowing that Max would try to rescue Liz.
(...)
The FBI and other humans had no way of knowing when Max (or any alien) was “born”. The FBI didn't know that Nasedo was the person who actually committed silver handprint murders.

Since the Special Unit knew they were dealing with an alien shapeshifter, "pretending to be Max" while exhibiting alien abilities pretty much screams "I'm An Alien Shapeshifter!!!" doesn't it? Furthermore, Pierce was in town pretending to be a Deputy. It's entirely possible that Max would have reported to him in person, that Liz was missing; even as Alien Shapeshifter!!! was killing someone. As alibis go, that would be pretty effective: right? And Max could rescue Liz afterwards, with Pierce absolutely convinced that Max was in the clear.

Nasedo didn’t warn Max to stay in Roswell in a public place, where humans could see him, even though Nasedo listened to Max on Liz’s phone. Nasedo hung up on Max, knowing that Max was in love with Liz and would try to save her. Nasedo led humans and Max to the carnival, where he could get humans to capture Max. Nasedo succeeded in getting humans to capture and hold Max.

Max didn't need to mantain an alibi; once he was cleared (by not being able to be two places at the same time), he did not need to stay in sight nor refrain from rescuing Liz. In fact, Mr.H seemed surprised that Max had come to the carnival. He had not told Max where they'd be, so how could he have been hoping to "lure" Max into the SU's clutches?

Nasedo wanted Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess sequentially captured and held by humans. He was their enemy. (etc.)

You keep insisting on this, yet he provided Max with an alibi, and was out of town when Hank died. (We also saw the shapeshifter who killed Hank, and that wasn't Mr.H.) In fact, Mr.H's last act was to warn Max. I'm sorry, but the evidence just isn't there.

Whitaker didn’t come to Roswell to find Vilandra, until after “Pierce” started lying to her and to the government about what he knew. Then, after the the Special Unit was disbanded, Whitaker checked out Pierce’s last investigation (which was in Roswell, before he returned to Washington).

Nope, sorry! Congresswoman Whitaker was the Congresswoman (duh) for the Roswell area. She'd married the previous Congressman, and "inherited" the position when he died. She'd been in the Roswell area for some time; and clearly had an interest in it. The Skins were monitoring the Special Unit, true; but they were investigating on their own as well. They also knew exactly what (who) they were looking for.

It's entirely possible that they heard about Max healing Liz, realized that that was something that only King Zan could have done, and set up the alien symbol (Into The Woods) to try and get the R4 to reveal themselves. When they did (or at least Michael and Isabel did), the Unknown figure could easily have been a Skin, watching to see who responded. Given their public history as found children, and the fact that they hung out together, it's possible that the Skins suspected Max, Michael, and Isabel of being part of the R4 as soon as they started paying attention to Liz's Healing. Hence the photograph, already taken of the suspects.

Notice that since the "leaders" seemed to be Michael and Isabel, it follows that they would be (mis)-identified as Zan and Ava; and so logicaly Tess would have been Vilandra. That's why Tess was captured when the Skins were after Vilandra!

Good thinking. I have always wondered why the skins thought that Tess was Vilandra. After all, there were two female aliens, Isabel and Tess, so logically, they should have kidnapped both of them, and see which one of them was Vilandra. But they only kidnapped Tess. Why ? If the skins were the one responsible for the symbol on the ground, they might have thought that the leaders (the ones from royal blood, not the ones by marriage) would respond.

Whitaker wasn’t in the Roswell area, until after the Special Unit was disbanded at the end of summer (before school began in Roswell) in 2000. Whitaker hadn’t wanted the Special Unit disbanded. She had wanted the Special Unit to help her find the Royal Four.

Whitaker lived in Washington, D.C., where she was a U.S. Congresswoman. She was in Washington, D.C., until after the Special Unit was disbanded. Whitaker then came to Roswell, ostensibly to open a field office across the street from the Crash Down cafe, which was where the alleged silver handprint healing incident took place. Whitaker hadn’t had an office in Roswell before then. Whitaker hadn’t spent time in Roswell, before then. In Skin and Bones, we see boxes and things that show that Whitaker is just moving into the office.

In Ask Not, we can see the sign in Whitaker’s office in the screencap at members.fortunecity.co.uk/orion27/2/asknot/askn130.jpg [copy and paste the address into a new window, to see the screen cap; direct links aren't allowed] . The sign reads Future Field Office Vanessa Whitaker. Liz was the only person hired to work in the office. Whitaker hired Liz, because Pierce had gone to Roswell to investigate the incident and then lied (actually Nasedo as Pierce lied) to Whitaker.

Liz told Whitaker about Tess. Whitaker went after Tess, because Liz told Whitaker that Tess was the girl from Max’s past.

Whitaker tried to get information from Tess, because she got to Tess, when Tess was alone. Whitaker didn’t tell any of the other Skins at Copper Summit about Tess or Max or Michael or Isabel. She didn’t want their help. She wanted the Granilith for herself alone.

Whitaker told Isabel that she had thought that Tess was Vilandra. Whitaker didn’t know what Vilandra looked like, because the Royal Four didn’t look like they did on Antar.

Whitaker told Isabel the lie about Vilandra betraying everyone and dying for Kivar, because Kivar had lied to people about Vilandra. Whitaker and the other Copper Summit Skins believed Kivar’s lie. The Copper Summit Skins formed the Vilandra Project hoping to find Vilandra. But Vilandra hadn’t betrayed anyone. Kivar lied about wanting peace and then killed the Royal Four.

Whitaker and the other Copper Summit Skins thought that Vilandra would help them, if they told her they worked for Kivar. When Isabel showed up to help Tess, Whitaker then told Isabel that she had thought that Tess was Vilandra. She then told Isabel the lie that Kivar had told people about Vilandra. Whtiaker wanted to convince Isabel to tell her where the Granilith was. Again, Whitaker didn’t question Isabel or Tess, until Isabel’s birthday, in October 2000. Whitaker hadn’t known that any of the Royal Four were in Roswell during the Blind Date, in February 2000, which was 8 months before Whitaker questioned Tess and Isabel. Whitaker didn’t know about Tess, until Liz told her. Whitaker didn’t know for certain about Isabel, until Isabel showed up to help Tess. Whitaker and the other Skins in Copper Summit hadn’t been observing Michael or Isabel or Max in February 2000. The Copper Summit Skins didn't know that Max, Michael, and Isabel were aliens in February 2000.




There are reasons for concluding that Nasedo and not the Skins left the symbol in the woods.

Nasedo is shown to have the power and the intent to leave the symbol. In Max to the Max, Nasedo forms the symbol in the sky, drawing Max and law enforcement to the carnival, where Max gets captured and held by humans.

The Skins are never shown to have the power to create the symbol in the sky or on the ground. The Skins are never shown using, recording, writing, or talking about the symbol, which was left in the woods before February 2000, and which Nasedo projected into the sky, the night Max was captured in May 2000.

In February 2000, the alien in men’s tousers and men's shoes burned the photograph of Max, Michael, and Isabel smiling and walking together. Whitaker was a woman Skin. Courtney was a woman Skin. Nicholas was a young teen Skin. Whitaker, Courtney, and Nicholas didn’t burn the photograph of Max, Michael, and Isabel in the flames of the library lawn on the evening of the Blind Date in February 2000.

None of the other Copper Summit Skins [outside of Courtney and Whitaker] knew that Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess were the Royal Four, until Max, Isabel, Tess, and then Michael showed up in person in Copper Summit.

Greer said that they had been looking for the Royal Four, but they didn’t know who they were or where they were, until Liz broke Whitaker’s husk hand at the funeral.

Whitaker was a Skin, but she didn’t inform the other Skins in Copper Summit that she thought she had found the Royal Four in Roswell. Courtney was a Skin. She didn’t tell the Skins in Copper Summit that she had found Michael (Antar-Rath) in Roswell. Nicholas didn’t tell the other Copper Summit Skins that he knew Isabel was Vilandra, when Isabel arrived in Copper Summit. Whitaker, Courtney, and Nicholas each worked for themselves. Nicholas recognized Isabel as Vilandra, because he already knew the Dupes in New York, who looked like Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess. Nicholas didn’t show the other Copper Summit Skins pictures of the Dupes, because Nicholas wanted the Granilith for himself. The other Copper Summit Skins didn’t know that the Royal Four were living in Roswell.

No Skin left a symbol in the woods, before February 2000. No Skins suspected that the Royal Four were in Roswell, until the end of summer into fall 2000. Over six months elapsed from the time the symbol was left in the woods, before any Skin came to Roswell.

Nasedo left the symbol in the woods, before February 2000. He left the symbol to find out whether or not Max had actually healed Liz. When Max, Michael, and Isabel lit the symbol, using their powers, then Nasedo knew that he had found the missing three of the Royal Four. Nasedo was the enemy of the Royal Four. He was the person who used the symbol to accomplish his goal. Nasedo’s goal was to get Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess sequentially captured and held by humans. The audience is shown more about Nasedo than the main characters are shown.

We are shown that Nasedo reignited the symbol Michael made on the library lawn, leaving the fire burning. The main characters don’t know that. We know that the Skins couldn’t change shape. So we know that a Skin wouldn’t have drawn attention to himself out in the open, in a public place, because Skins had to keep their same shape.

We are shown that Nasedo killed Hank and didn’t appear as Hank to the neighbors to clear Michael. We know that Nasedo could kill people quickly and quietly, the way he killed the agent in downtown Roswell, in board daylight. But Nasedo chose to have the neighbors hear loud, agonized cries and gunshots, thereby getting Michael arrested. We are shown that Nasedo saved Hank’s body, instead of making Hank’s death look like an accident or destroying Hank’s body. Nasedo planned to frame Michael for Hank’s death again.

Nasedo was a shapeshifter, who got Michael and Max captured and held by humans. Nasedo used the method of framing them each with crimes to get them captured. Fortunately, Michael and Max’s friends got them freed. :)

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Why should he have appear to the neigbhbors afterwards ? It's not like people there care about each other. Valenti told that the neighbors heard about noises, that's all.

He probably thought that nobody really cared about what was going on. He only learned about it later on, when Michael was arrested.

Nasedo could have pretended to be Hank, as soon as Hank was killed. But he didn’t. Nasedo could have pretended to the neighbors that Hank was alive, when the neighbors heard loud agonized cries and gunshots. But Nasedo didn’t. Nasedo could have killed Hank as quickly and as quietly and as unobtrusively as he killed the agent in downtown Roswell in board daylight. But he didn’t. Nasedo wanted Michael to be captured and held by humans. Nasedo was the podsters’ enemy.


xmag, you ask, “Why should he [Nasedo] have appear to the neigbhbors afterwards ? It's not like people there care about each other. Valenti told that the neighbors heard about noises, that's all.”

Neighbors, who may not care about other neighbors, care about their own personal safety.

Common sense tells us that if Nasedo cared about Michael, he wouldn’t have allowed the neighbors to think that Michael might have been responsible for Hank’s disappearance.

People know that reports of violence are reported to police. People know that neighbors care about violence in their neighborhood, because people know that they could become the next victims.

Nasedo knew that the neighbors would report the loud agonized cries and gunshots to the police, for their own protection. Nasedo knew that Michael would be arrested. Valenti reported to Michael that Michael was the last person seen with Hank. Nasedo didn’t appear to be Hank to the neighbors, because Hank wanted Michael captured and held by humans. Nasedo was Michael’s enemy. (Nasedo was Max, Isabel, and Tess’ enemy, too.)

Nasedo reignited the symbol Michael burned in the library lawn, which Isabel erased. Nasedo left the flames burning, knowing that Michael and Isabel could be blamed for the fire, since they had been there, and since Michael had set a fire on the library lawn. Nasedo burned the photograph of Michael, Max, and Isabel smiling and walking together. Nasedo had bad intent for them. Nasedo was their enemy. Nasedo didn’t warn Michael or the others that Pierce was after them. Nasedo didn’t tell Michael, Isabel, and Tess who he was, as soon as he entered the morgue. Instead, Nasedo used his powers against Michael and blasted Michael into the door in the morgue.

Nasedo refused to leave with Michael and Max from the white room, even though Michael wasn’t an FBI Special Unit agent and Max was a captive. Nasedo refused to leave with Michael and Max, even though he pretended that he couldn’t get past the security door, without Michael’s help. Nasedo didn’t kill Pierce, when he stood right next to Pierce in the white room. Nasedo wanted humans to sequentially capture and hold Michael and Max (and also later sequentially capture and hold Isabel and Tess.) Nasedo was Michael, Max, Isabel, and Tess’ enemy.

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Knowing the neigbhorood, they would have assumed it was tv they were hearing.

It was the sheriff who thought that Michael was responsible for the "loud noises", and that was just because he was investigating Max's group. He wanted Michael guilty so that he could pressure on the group.

That Nacedo was the R4's enemy, yes. That he tried to sent Michael to jail on purpose to frame him ? the first thing is to be sure that the guy you want to frame is around to be framed, and has no alibi. The first thing would have been for Nacedo to knock down Michael, make him unconscious, kill Hank, than call the police himself so that when they arrive, they find Hank dead and a disoriented Michael near by.

Here ? framing Michael with :

- 1/ no corpse,
- 2/ not making sure that Michael had not alibi

proved that if you are right, then Nacedo was stupid, really, which makes me wonder then how on Earth he was able to avoid been taken by the FBI for years.


Tada, once again, if you are right, why did Nacedo kill that agent in front of Michael? He could have knocked down Michael unconscious and bring him, with that agent, to Pierce. Did he do it ? no, despite the fact that he, Nacedo, was stronger than Michael.


It's like you post your ideas, and ignore the canon facts that could prove you wrong. If he wanted the rest of the group to be captured, he had the perfect opportunity when they were all separated INSIDE the FBI's quarters.

The neighbors knew that they weren’t hearing TV. The neighbors reported what they heard to the Sheriff.

SHERIFF: Neighbors also said they heard an argument. And then, later, more sounds. Screaming. Crying. Tortured sounds, like an animal. Almost inhuman, they said.


Here’s the scene:

(In class, an exam is going on. Someone knocks on the door asking for Michael)
TEACHER: Michael.
(Michael gets up and leaves with the man)
(Michael is sitting in Sheriff Valenti's office)
SHERIFF: Neighbors heard gunshots.
MICHAEL: I don't know anything about that.
SHERIFF: But you were there last night?
MICHAEL: Went home to get some stuff.
SHERIFF: What time was that?
MICHAEL: Um...does it matter?
SHERIFF: You were the last person to see him.
MICHAEL: What do you mean, I was "the last person to see him"?
SHERIFF: I called the plant. He never showed up for work.
MICHAEL: Maybe he's passed out somewhere. I don't keep track of him.
SHERIFF: Neighbors also said they heard an argument. And then, later, more sounds. Screaming. Crying. Tortured sounds, like an animal. Almost inhuman, they said.
MICHAEL: What are you talking about?
SHERIFF: Where were you, son?
MICHAEL: Out.


Sheriff Valenti had Michael brought into his office, because of reports from Hank’s and Michael’s neighbors. The Sheriff didn’t bring Michael in as a ruse to question Michael about Max. The Sheriff never asked Michael any questions about Max. The Sheriff had no suspicion that Michael was an alien, until after Michael used his powers to stop the HumVee pursuing Max and Liz.


Max had reportedly healed Liz, not harmed her. The Sheriff brought Michael in for questioning, based on reports from neighbors and based on the fact that Hank hadn’t shown up for work. The Sheriff didn’t “want Michael to be guilty so he could pressure the group”.

The Sheriff had no suspicions about Michael or any suspicions of alien connection to Max, until after Michael stopped the Humvee pursuing Liz and Max.

(Outside the old mine)
SHERIFF: Tell me what just happened back there, Max. All this time, I thought it was just you. It's Michael, too, isn't it? Isabel? My god. Man.

Again, the Sheriff didn’t arrest Michael to question him about Max or to pressure the group. The Sheriff didn’t arrest Michael thinking that Michael was an alien. The Sheriff had no suspicion that Michael was an alien, until Michael used his powers to stop the HumVee pursuing Liz and Max.

The Sheriff had Michael brought from school to the Sheriff’s office, because of Michael and Hank’s neighbors’ reports. The Sheriff told Michael that Michael was the last person to see Hank, based on what the neighbors told the Sheriff, and based on the fact that Hank hadn't shown up for work. The Sheriff put Michael in jail, because Michael wouldn’t account for his whereabouts.

The Sheriff released Michael, after Amy and Maria vouched for Michael. The Sheriff didn’t ignore what they said to question Michael about aliens or to put pressure on the group. The Sheriff believed Amy.




Ok. So you and I agree that Nasedo was the Royal Four’s enemy. :)

We disagree about Nasedo’s intent regarding Hank. If I understand you correctly, you think that Nasedo killed Hank to protect Michael. But, since you and I agree that Nasedo was Michael’s enemy, then Nasedo could frame Michael for Hank’s disappearance and murder, and still be Michael’s enemy.

Nasedo kept Hank’s corpse, until after Michael had been freed from jail by the efforts of Maria, Amy, and the Sheriff.

Nasedo didn’t leave Hank’s corpse in the trailer and leave the trailer as a person who didn’t look like Michael, who could be blamed for Hank’s death.

Nasedo didn’t make Hank’s death look like an accident, which would have cleared Michael. Nasedo didn’t appear to the neighbors, after they heard the loud, agonized screams, which would have cleared Michael. Nasedo instead went to the Sheriff as Hank, long after Michael had been cleared in Hank’s disappearance. Nasedo carefully buried Hank’s body, instead of destroying it. Nasedo intended to frame Michael again for Hank’s death, at a time when Michael wouldn’t have an alibi. Nasedo hadn’t known whether or not Michael had an alibi, because Nasedo was dealing with Hank and Hank’s body, during the time Michael went to Maria and stayed at Maria’s home. Nasedo wanted to frame Michael at a time, when Michael wouldn’t have an alibi. So he saved Hank’s body by burying it in the ground, knowing that he could again frame Michael for Hank’s death.

Nasedo knew where Hank’s body was buried and could report it to the authorities.

Nasedo couldn’t carry out his plan to frame Michael again for Hank’s death, because he had to handle other matters first. Liz and Max found the orb. Nasedo tried to take the orb, as Liz and Max slept. But Liz and Max awoke, before he could get it. Toposky came to Roswell with the second orb. Nasedo wanted to keep the Royal Four from getting the second orb, because he knew that Max had one orb. Nasedo knew that two orbs were needed to work together. So Nasedo pretended to be Dr. Margolin and told the group that Topolsky was crazy, to keep them from getting the second orb. Next, Nasedo had to get Max and the others captured, as soon as possible, after Tess told Nasedo that Max, Michael, and Isabel were her family, and not Nasedo. Nasedo pretended to be Max, framed Max for the silver handprint crimes Nasedo committed that day, which also framed Max for all the previous silver handprint crimes.




Nasedo was able to blast Michael with his powers. But Nasedo's powers didn’t knock Michael unconscious. Michael proved to be powerful too.

Although Michael at first had problems blasting the shotgun away from Hank, Michael’s powers improved with time and worked perfectly against the HumVee and against Pierce, who had a loaded gun.

Nasedo wasn’t only up against Michael in the morgue. Nasedo was also up against Isabel, who helped Michael and was Tess’ friend. Nasedo was also up against Tess, who told Nasedo that Max, Michael, and Isabel were her family, and not Nasedo. So Nasedo couldn’t have “knocked Michael unconconsious”, because he wasn’t powerful enough, and because Isabel and Tess could use their powers against Nasedo.

Because Nasedo used alien powers against Michael in the morgue, Tess realized that it was Nasedo. Tess thought that Nasedo was her protector and would keep Max, Michael, and Isabel safe from the FBI Special Unit. Tess didn’t know that Nasedo wanted the Special Unit to capture her, as well as Max, Michael, and Isabel. Tess assumed that humans were Nasedo’s enemies. She didn’t know that Nasedo used humans to get Michael and Max captured and held. She didn’t know that Nasedo had killed people, until Max told her.




I agree. :) That was Nasedo’s plan. That was what Nasedo wanted to happen. :)

Michael, Isabel, and Tess arrived at Eagle Rock Military Base Medical Research Facility together. They stayed together and went to the morgue.

Nasedo got Michael separated from Isabel and Tess. Nasedo got Michael to go into the area where all the agents were. If the Sheriff hadn't shot Pierce, Michael would have been captured with Max.

Nasedo knew that Michael wasn’t an FBI Special Unit agent. Nasedo knew that Max was drugged and couldn’t walk on his own. Nasedo refused to leave with Michael and Max. Nasedo didn’t kill Pierce, even though he stood right next to Pierce. Nasedo wanted the other agents and Pierce to capture Michael and get Max again.

After Michael and Max would be captured, then Nasedo could pretend to be Michael or could pretend to be Max to Tess and to Isabel. Nasedo could then get Isabel and Tess to split up. Then Nasedo could get Isabel and Tess each sequentially captured and held. Nasedo was their enemy. As you say, xmag, Nasedo had the perfect opportunity to get them all captured, once they were inside the FBI quarters. Nasedo wanted humans to capture Michael, Isabel, and Tess individually, because as a group Michael, Isabel, and Tess were too powerful for Nasedo or humans to capture them. Nasedo wanted to get Michael, Max, Isabel, and Tess sequentially captured and held by humans. Nasedo was their enemy.

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You think it's enough to pick up someone at school, in front of the students and the teachers ? especially considering who Hank was ?

It's a question of interpretation : have you heard people having sex ? well, sometimes, it looks like it's painful and inhuman, too. But it doesn't mean that it's torture.

What i mean is, the Sheriff could have interpreted what the neighbors said, because it was Michael. Michael who was Max's friend, the guy he was investigating. It was in his interest to interpret things this way.

I hope so, he had two witnesses !


I am keeping my mind open about Nacedo's intentions, that's all. Maybe he was feeling regrets for letting Michael, an alien, being raised and abused by a human.

Maybe Nacedo felt that he had to kill Hank because Hank knew that Michael had powers (he called him a freak), therefore he couldn't let him walking around talking about Michael and his powers.

Maybe he killed him because he needed Michael to be free of Hank, so that if they ever needed to leave, nobody will care about Michael's whereabouts.

I am just saying that the "framing Michael" wasn't very clever, because then, he should have killed Hank and let him in his trailer for everyone to discover him. And be sure that Michael had no alibi.

After watching many shows like Crossing Jordan and CSI, it's easy to tell the hour of death.

From one scene, you just apply one single reason for it, while I think there could be many others. Nacedo burying Hank ? maybe he didn't want people knowing that an alien had killed him, so he hide the corpse. At that time, he still needed the R4, it wasn't in his interest to frame Michael, when the deal with Khivar was to send the R4 back to Antar. Do you know what happens in prisons ? Michael could have been killed there.

Michael was the most alien of them then, Nacedo's plan should have been to play the nice alien to him, coming to his rescue, and Michael would have followed him anywhere.


Are you sure that Nacedo is an alien who survived on a hostile planet for 50 years ? because Max was alone, Michael was with Nacedo who told that Michael was far from being powerful (then why didn't he knock him down then if Michael wasn't that powerful), and he should have separated Isabel and Tess to make them vulnerable. That's how it works, in my opinion, if you want to trap someone. Divide them. Separate them.

If the sheriff hadn't shot Pierce, Michael would have blasted him, out of despair. As he proved us in the next episode, he was able to do it. Had the sheriff not arrived, Michael would have killed Pierce.

I have to wonder why Nacedo didn't offer Tess on a platter to the FBI special unit, as soon as she hatched, then. NO need to brainwash her to get pregnant, since the FBI would use the in vitro technic to get her pregnant. But he kept Tess with him. He needed her for his deal, and it meant being free.

Or he tried to gain some time, to let Max and Michael escape.

The Sheriff investigated the neighbors’ reports, because the Sheriff protected people in his community. The Sheriff didn’t ignore the neighbors’ reports.

Hank really did disappear. The Sheriff didn’t know that, until he called the plant, where Hank worked. The Sheriff called the plant where Hank worked, because the neighbors reported hearing an argument. And then, later, more sounds. Screaming. Crying. Tortured sounds, like an animal. Almost inhuman, they said. The Sheriff had Michael brought to his office, based on the neighbors’ reports that Michael was the last person seen with Hank and based on what the neighbors reported they heard, and based on the fact that Hank didn’t show up for work at the plant.


xmag, if I understand you correctly, your theory is that people who live in trailer parks don’t care about their neighbors or themselves and wouldn’t report any crimes. If I understand you correctly, your theory is that since Hank drank, he wouldn’t be missed at work. But plants keep records of their employees. Hank didn’t show up for work. The Sheriff wasn’t making that up. The Sheriff didn’t bring in Michael on the off-chance that he could get Michael to tell him about Max.

If Hank hadn’t actually disappeared, and the neighbors hadn’t actually heard screaming, crying, and tortured sounds, then the Sheriff had no reason or justification for bringing Michael in and then holding Michael.

When the Sheriff took Liz and Alex into custody, he had justification, because they were trespassing on private property and they were holding bottles of booze. The Sheriff got permission from Liz and Alex’s parents to hold them to teach them a lesson. The Sheriff tried to get information from them.

In Michael’s case, the Sheriff only questioned Michael about Hank and Michael’s involvement with Hank and about where Michael had been. The Sheriff wasn’t holding Michael because of Max. The Sheriff released Michael, when Amy and Maria vouched for Michael’s whereabouts.








That is the reason why Nasedo had to take Hank’s body away. Nasedo couldn’t be in two places at the same time. Nasedo had no way to make sure that Michael had no alibi. Nasedo couldn’t simultaneously watch Michael and deal with Hank’s body.


If Nasedo was only protecting Michael from Hank talking about aliens, then Nasedo could have left Hank’s body in the trailer, and Nasedo could have shown himself to the neighbors as the last person seen with Hank.

If Nasedo was only protecting Michael from Hank talking about aliens, then Nasedo could have killed Hank quietly, the way he killed the agent in board daylight, in downtown Roswell. Nasedo could have made Hank’s death look like an accident.

If Nasedo wanted to kill Hank so that if they ever needed to leave and nobody would care about Michael’s whereabouts, then Nasedo could have adopted Michael himself. Or Nasedo could have shapeshifted into someone and appeared to the neighbors, so the neighbors wouldn’t have reported that Michael was the last person seen with Hank. Or Nasedo could have appeared to the neighbors as Hank, after the noises, so the neighbors wouldn’t have reported that Michael was the last person seen with Hank.






Time of death can be determined through investigation sometimes. But days, weeks, and months later, the exact hour of death is unlikely to be determined. By appearing to be Hank to the Sheriff, after Michael was cleared, Nasedo provided the opportunity that he could again frame Michael for Hank’s death. If Michael were again cleared, then Nasedo could think of another plan.




If Nasedo hadn’t wanted anyone to know that an alien had killed Hank, then Nasedo could have killed Hank by human means. Nasedo could look like and sound like anyone. Nasedo could have pretended to be a policeman or a friend of Hank’s and taken Hank away from the trailer and then shot Hank elsewhere. Then no one would think that Michael had been involved in tortured sounds or Hank’s disappearance. Or Nasedo could have pretended to be Hank to the neighbors, after the neighbors heard tortured sounds.

After Michael was completely cleared of Hank’s disappearance, then Nasedo pretended to be Hank to the Sheriff. Then Nasedo carefully buried Hank’s body. Nasedo knew that he could use Hank’s body again to frame Michael again for Hank’s death, for a time interval when Michael wouldn’t have an alibi. Or Nasedo could think of another way to get Michael captured, as he did, when he got Michael to go into the area where all the agents were.



The problem with this idea is the same problem that Nasedo had with identifying himself to Michael (or to Max or to Isabel). Nasedo was their enemy. Michael was friends with Max. Nasedo had to obey direct instructions from Max. If Max told Nasedo to tell him the truth, then Nasedo wouldn’t be able to carry out his plans. Nasedo didn’t identify himself to Michael or Isabel, until they were already in the FBI area, and Max was already captured. Then Nasedo got Michael separated from Isabel and Tess. Nasedo got Michael to go into the area where all the agents were.


Nasedo was a shapeshifter, who could be anyone. Michael was held in jail, not in prison. Michael wasn’t harmed, while he was in jail. Max was held alone in the white room, where Nasedo knew that Max was the only captive there. Nasedo knew exactly where Max was, even though he claimed that he couldn’t get past the security door.



Nasedo needed humans to capture Michael. Nasedo’s blast didn’t knock Michael unconscious in the morgue. Nasedo got Michael to go into the area, where all the agents were. Nasedo couldn’t use his blasting powers against Michael past the security door, because agents in the area might see him use his powers and then know that Nasedo was an alien.

Nasedo didn’t kill Pierce, even though he stood right next to Pierce. Nasedo didn’t go with Michael and Max to protect them, even though he knew that Michael wasn’t an FBI Special Unit agent, and even though Michael had his hands full with helping Max out of the white room, and even though Nasedo saw that Max couldn’t walk on his own or use his powers, and even though Nasedo knew that agents walked around the area. If Michael hadn’t sent the agents to Pierce, the agents would have gotten Michael and Max. If the Sheriff hadn’t arrived at the right moment and shot Pierce, Max and Michael would have both been held by the Special Unit.





But Michael didn’t use blasting powers against Pierce. Nasedo knew that Michael’s blasting powers hadn't been effective in the morgue. Yet Nasedo refused to leave with Michael and Max. Nasedo wanted them captured. And they would have been captured, if Michael hadn’t ordered the agents to go to Pierce, and if the Sheriff hadn’t shot Pierce. Michael was tied up with helping Max leave, and Nasedo knew that Michael’s powers weren’t very effective. Michael hadn't been able to blast Nasedo. It took Michael a lot of time and effort to change his fingerprint. (Later, Michael's powers improved.) But Michael’s powers hadn’t been very effective, when Nasedo saw Michael use his powers in the morgue.

Nasedo didn’t kill Pierce or go with Michael and Max. Nasedo had time and opportunity to do both. Pierce ordered an immediate lock down and went after Max and Michael. Nasedo wanted Michael and Max both captured by humans.

After Michael and Max were captured and held, then Nasedo could appear to Tess and to Isabel as himself or as Max or as Michael. He could then get Isabel and Tess separated and then each sequentially captured.

Nasedo’s plan was to get Michael, Max, Isabel, and Tess sequentially captured and held by humans. Nasedo was Max, Michael, Isabel, and Tess’ enemy.



Earlier, Nasedo may have tried to get Tess captured by the Special Unit. But Tess had the power to mindwarp. So getting Tess captured presented special problems. Nasedo convinced Tess that she and the others needed his help to survive humans.

Nasedo used Tess for a while, to help him, until Tess told him that Max, Michael, and Isabel were her family, and not Nasedo. That same day, Nasedo killed the agent in downtown Roswell in broad daylight, pretended to be Max and kidnapped Liz, and framed Max for the silver handprint crimes Nasedo committed that day, which also framed Max for all the previous silver handprint crimes.

Nasedo wanted humans to sequentially capture Michael, Max, Isabel, and Tess, so he would have control over all four of them. Nasedo was their enemy.

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