What do you think about their powers, especially Liz's ? I mean, do you believe that others, like Kyle, the sheriff, the christmas kids, will develop powers, too ?

I think Kyle will, since he was as (nearly) dead as Liz was. As for the "Christmas kids", I think not. They were not near death, and so did not need a jump-start from Max's soul/life force/essence/whatever. I see such a jump-start as the only way such Powers could be induced or awakened in another person. Otherwise, everyone who was healed, even RiverDog, would be getting them.

How near death was Sherrif Valenti? And do we believe anything from Third Season as canon?

I had heard someone's theory before that they think Liz powers started because of her still being upset with Max for him sleeping with Tess. The powers started when she was by Max and didn't really wanna dance with him. When they were in the stands and Liz lit the books on fire it was after she was thinking "what is your greatest regret". She was probably thinking about listening to Future Max cause if she didn't Alex would still be alive and Max would have never slept with Tess. Or even if she did she could have told him a little while later just enough to change the future. When Max came to her window her powers started acting up again same thing in the woods or whatever they went with kyle and he tried to touch her. When she went away and he called her, her powers started to come back. When he died it destroyed her so that was linked to her powers so PSHHHHH powers back. When she saw Tess like she said all thi emotion and anger came back and she should have known that part of her life was never dead and buried until the bia was dead. I'm not sure if it's true since I just heard about this but eh sounds kinda true. I don't know who knows anymore theories?=p

In that case, shouldn't she have started developping powers in Departure, when she learned both about Tess killing Alex, Max sleeping with Tess and getting her pregnant ?

Their powers were linked to their emotions, look at MIchael exploding 's exploits when he was jealous of Billy, or Isabel creating a vortex of flying objects in her room when she was upset with Jesse ? So it makes sense that Liz's powers react to Max and what she felt for him. Now, why did they appear so long after the shooting and will others develop powers ? if Kyle is upset about being on the run and single, would he start developping powers, too ?

Umm... you folks missed something.
Liz was manifesting powers back as far as early S1: she got "flashes" from Max, she "heard" the orb calling to her, and in S2 she did astral projection to save Max (near the end of MitC). Granted, they were active when she was thinking of Max; but she usually was emotionally involved with him, so it doesn't follow.

Maria got flashes too...even though it was Season 2 butt hat was because Michael wouldn't let her get them. I think the flashses are from what Max said "when things get intense, heightned...sometimes we feel things...see things". but ya i forgot about the other stuff. the astral projection could have veryw ell been a sign cause ava said max saved you you're different now.

Right; and since Ava (and the other Dupes) remembered how things were on "Antar", she would know about such things. And when Kal found out about it, he wasn't happy either.

Do you think that Zan could heal, too ? Ava said that people who were healed were changed, meaning that Kyle, the christmas kids, the sheriff, will change. But did Ava say that because she remembered more about being alien or because Zan did heal people ? I don't see the dupes being that nice to human, although Zan could have healed Ava, who knows.

But in my opinion, if Ava said that humans healed are changed, it's because it happened before.

About the flashes, we got the answers in Departure : Max and Liz got them because Max was open with Liz, while Michael wasn't with Maria in that same episode (he got flashes from her, though, but yeah, considering his stonewall personality, that made sense), and when he was ready to give flashes to Maria, then he gave them to her, while she had never been changed.

But the Liz flashes with the orb were different. I think the orb was Max's orb, and since Max and Liz were on the same wave lengh, Liz could have capted the message which was directed at Max, maybe on a subconscient level. It was never really clear, because as soon as the orb was found, the flashes (the hot ones I mean) stopped. And then Liz had normal flashes from Max, like when she came back from Florida.

Do you think the two orbs were Max's and Michael's ? knowing how macho the antarian society seemed to be, it wouldn't surprise me at all that the two orbs belonged to them.

If my fickle memory is right, Ava said something like, "He brought you back?"
Okay, it's all on my hard drive, and hence available via the Windows Search utility.

AVA: Liz can do it.

ISABEL: What?

LIZ: What are you talking about?

AVA: Max brought you back from the dead. You've been changed.

LIZ: What do you mean by changed?

AVA: Look, there ain't enough time to explain. You just gotta trust me here. If Max brought you back, then...you're different now.

(Bold added.)

So this does not exactly define "back from the dead." I mean, most mornings that's how I feel. ;)
So the writers left room (whether accidentally or on purpose) for the idea that the kids were changed too. I mean, if in another 10 years they launch Roswell TNG, with the main characters being the healed kids and maybe a kid or two from Max & Liz and Michael & Maria, well, I would only complain if it was stupidly done.

Okay, either the memory or imagination are telling me that in an interview with either Katims or Moore, that someone asked the question about future-healed-kid-powers, and he said he'd have to think about it or something.

<sigh> :rolleyes: That rings a bell, I think. But look, someone mentioned to one of them that there were two shapeshifters, and got a similar response. Next thing we know, there's a third shapeshifter (Kal), who BTW doesn't shapeshift, so he couldn't possibly be one of the other two (Tic-tac and Mr. Harding). As for "stupidly done" ... :goof:

The problem I have with "brought back from the dead", is that Liz wasn't dead, in the Pilot. She said "5 days ago I died...", but if Max was looking into her eyes and seeing HER, then it meant that Liz's soul was still present, she hadn't traveled to the other side.

So I always took Liz's speech about dying as figurative : the old normal Liz died with that shot, and the new Liz was born, the one who knew one of the most greatest secrets of the universe.

Because if Max can bring people back from the dead, then I want him to bring back Alex and Claudia Evans.

Well, he tried: It was Grandma Claudia's time, and Alex was too far gone. Remember, after some 5 minutes the brain starts to die. Liz's heart probably stopped, but her brain hadn't died yet, so Max could repair & revive her. The other two were beyond repair.

As for Mr. Harding and the Healing Stones, it's possible that he went into some sort of suspended animation until he could be revived (the first time). The second time, the Skins made sure that when he died, he'd stay dead.

I always thought that Max had to make a connection to save people. He asked Liz to look at him. How could she look at him if she was dead ?

hmm i know they always say they were brought back from the dead...but they weren't dead....they were dying. and also kyle didn't really look at him until he was being healed and he coughed and open his eyes a little bit. also the kids in the hospital went to sleep when max told them to. i think before he needed them to be looking at him but then his powers advanced.

We don't know that Max needed Liz to look at him as part of the healing process; he could have been trying to find out how badly she was hurt. Did she actually look at him? I don't recall...

yup she did look at him

I think Max needed the person to be conscious to heal her. He could enter someone's mind who wasn't conscious, like he did with Claudia, but we don't really know if he is able to heal someone who isn't conscious.

Was Kyle conscious?

That's true she didn't die for real in medical terms but I thinks she meant Liz as she knew herself to be had figuratively died that day as a result of everything that changed her life. It was understood she didn't die per se...not in that chapter anyways :goof: GOOD POINT though...

:love: RD

shapeshifter :kiss::kiss::wave:



Read the post above. See wasn't dead she was in deep **** is what she was in :P it was metaphorical addition to her journal--she as she knew herself to be in her pervious life...

but member he healed the little kids in the hospital that day he went crazy ;) Some of them where asleep :look: ......

RE:SHERIFF

Nothing was legally reported about what happened to Liz...I think only the Metachem people who had to do with the "shooting her" to prevent her from becoming what she was :rolleyes: knew about the blood....member that Lady Fairchild episode they had all the stuff..........

I also agree that when Liz say she "died" it is in figurative speech. When Max tells Liz to look at him -- well, remember that in season 1, where the plot is more coherent, all "alien powers" required eye-contact with the subject... that's really why Isabel looks at someone's picture before dreamwalking the person. We are never told why, and probably the teens themselves don't know either, like they know almost nothing about themselves. It's true that he doesn’t ask Kyle to look in his eyes, but I always thought that is more a continuity failure from the script (or the episode directing or editing!). This only changes with Tess, that can mind-warp people without eye-contact, but she is much more trained then the others.

There's another thing that is coherent through season 1: Max doesn't "heal" people in the sense of cure the sick. Max manipulates molecular structures. He can "heal" a gunshot because the affected tissues are molecular structure he can repair. But he cannot cure the sick, so he cannot cure Liz's grandmother. It's not a question of whether it's "her time" or not. It's that he can't cure the sick. That's why he tells Liz he is not god.

In season 2, Max cures cancer... I think they thought about cancer because cancer cells are cells with molecular damages/errors that cause them to reproduce abnormally. They didn't put him curing let's say, typhoid fever, or even an influenza... although from a scientific correctness point of view I don't know if it would be possible for someone with the ability of manipulating molecular structures to repair cancer cells. But then again, the sci-fi aspects of the show were getting increasingly not very well thought through...

In season 3, however, all "alien powers" related background info is suddenly forgotten and the 3 teens, instead of, like in previous seasons, having all the same abilities but being best only in a few of them, become more like comic book super heroes: Max is "the healer", Michael the "blow-up things" kid and Isabel is the "dreamwalker babe". But season 3 is not really Roswell -- it's just a bad dream we all shared ;)

With Claudia, I always thought that what Max meant by "I am not god", was that he couldn't regenerate her cells. She had a stroke, her heart was at the end of the road, if you want, it wasn't sick. She was just old and he couldn't do anything against old age. Otherwise, Antarians would be immortal if they could be healed of old age.

You're both right, and so I agree: Max can do "machanical" repairs, knitting torn tissues together, etc. But if the tissue is dead (as parts of Claudia's brain and/or heart were), then it's dead; and fixing that is beyond him. Now, it's possible (if Liz was shot in the heart) that her heart had stopped and Max had to restart it. Technicaly, Liz would have "died" as advertised, but not been beyond Max's help. This would also explain the "look at me" business; he did not want her to "go to the light" but to stay with him.

As for the cancer: perhaps he could just kill the cancer cells as Mr. Harding killed people? Not leaving a tiny handprint on each one, of course, but the same general idea only at a much finer scale; as he knitted tissues together at a fine scale.

Yeah, that can be it! That's a good explanation!

I don't know, maybe. But shouldn't it have taken a lot of time to heal all the cells infected with cancer ? It didn't take him a lot of time to do that. The writers probably didn't put too much thought into it, Max was a healer, period, why bother with the how ?

As for Liz, I never saw her dead. As Naturellebella posted it, she was semi-looking at Max, therefore she had to be alive, and I didn't see Max putting his hand on her heart to make it start beating.