Oh, unless they were afraid that the pod child was going to die and transferred some of her essence just in case into Liz or one of her relatives. Then TESS managed to pull through anyway... if there are dupes of all of them, then how does that work? In case one gets knocked off there are others to replace them?

I really wish we could get the answers soon . This suspense in driving me crazy.

quote:

---

Originally posted by Shannon1979:
Just a thought on the whole Vilandra thing. What if it is Tess? What if her brother is Michael? Now if I remember correctly something was said back in season one on the spoiler board that Michael and Tess were brohter and sister and the momogram just doesn't mention it so who knows maybe Whittaker was right. I also read that Tess was actually supposed to have the traitor storyline but it became Isabel's because of the sucess of Katherine's Maxim cover. So where does this leave Liz, well maybe Liz was Max's great love and a skin was Tess's.

---

If this is true, then most likely Tess is one of the four. Otherwise why would they have considered giving this storyline to her.

Then there is also the thought that Tess was originally only supposed to stick around for about 7 episodes. Meaning she was either supposed to die or really wasn't who she said she was so she would just disappear from the story.

Maybe TESS was originally supposed to stand for THE EVIL SHAPE SHIFTER. However, when the writers were forced to change the storyline to get more viewers, they dropped this aspect of her character...

quote:

---

Originally posted by shapeshifter:
Way to go, Zero! You have me beat this time with keeping up with things.
Right now I have to go take my kids to church.

And Zer0, if they counted # of lines posted instead of # of posts, you would be eligible to be a moderator--but then your kids would Never get scrambled eggs!

So I guess the thing with Liz and CW and the CD was one of those 'you know that I know that you know that I know' kind of things?

---

Shapeshifter - I skipped church this morning, and that is the only way I managed to get the thread up on time. I think the moderator thing would overwhelm me! Kids always come first!! I also like your description of the Liz/Whitaker and listening to the CD thing.

Zero
"Where's Liz?"

The one that really caught my attention was the one that Liz is Shelia's baby. That would make so much sense. They did emphasize that she was pregnant. And the fact that Max fell in love with Liz at first sight, perhaps she's one of the other 4 aliens.

What if the skins planted Tess there and she is really a spy. Nasedo would believe she was one of the original 4 because she was "there" since the other 4 were. Maybe Liz was the other alien that was there and they moved her elsewhere. She hatched earlier than the others. No one would suspect that Tess was a skin because with their memories she was there the whole time. Max was immediately attracted to Liz, that is major evidence that she is one of them. The reason Tess made him act weird is because she's a skin, but now that they all believe she's one of them there's no one questioning that she is a skin.

quote:

---

Originally posted by RoswellMoe:
I was thinking that he didn't appear to take any tissue from her though as far we can tell. Then again we don't know what he is capable of...

I still wonder if that "fake" picture that Liz shows around at the crashdown could be real. I forget did Liz say that GC gave it to her?

---

Yes - Liz does say that it is a picture her grandmother took at the crash site before the authorities arrived. Also - about you Vilandra question. I don't think that Liz is Vilandra, but some have created theories that include this possibility - so it is included in the Intro to the Thread (until proven otherwise)!!

Zero
"Where's Liz?"

Anyways, CW said to Isabel that she had betrayed her race and her brother for them (CW's race--the skins). So, if CW wasn't smoking something and she had the story straight, or she wasn't lying in the 1st place then it follows that Isabel/Valandra has to be of Max's race, not a skin. And she joined the skins to be with a skin lover. So unless Max is a skin, which doesn't seem possible to me, then there isn't any way that CW was looking for Max's lover. She was looking for the leader's sister. However, like many have said before we don't really know Max is the leader. I don't know Either way for what CW said,
Valandra is not a skin but fell in love with a skin, and betrayed the other race.
Valandra is the leader's sister.
That is what we know factually from what CW said.
We don't know-
That Isabel is Valandra(yes if she is the leader's sister-whether or not Max is the leader).
that CW knew exactly who the leader was in hybrid form(she admited that she didn't know what they would look like)
that Michael isn't the leader (not that I subsribe to that belief-for now I think it is Max).

Gotta eat-Bye for now!

SweetJo

Zero - I forgot to commend you on your very awesome introduction!!! How old are your kids? Mine are 2yrs and 4yrs.

I think all the speculation on who (or what) Tess is is very interesting.
I am not sure what I think she is - but I dont beleive she is the fourth podster. I think perhaps she is some kind of shapeshifter? It is an interesting question. Are there more shapeshifters than just Nasedo/Tic-Tac? I would guess that there are.
And what is the role of the shapeshifters? Are they on the podsters side - or are they EA, or are the a nuetral third party that can go either way? When you think about it - Harding didnt seem to be all that helpful to the podsters - and he seemed awfully close to CW - and it was just a wee bit weird to think he had been dragging Tess all over the place for years trying to find the royals (was he just not very bright to not look for them - say - at the crash site?)
So what is Tess? What is her relationship to/with Grant? How much of what the podsters have seen or believe is the result of mind manipulation? And perhaps - most importantly - when does her contract expire (LOL - couldnt resist that last one since I am a dreamer :-)

You guys always makes me laugh, but it is nice to know that I'm not the only one confused. But I like it cause now I don't know what is going to happen.

QFanny- your theory is great, I love it. I do think since the whole Run Lola Run thing that now the whole time travel thing and trying to do it right is making more sense. I really wish I had the Pilot recorded because I never paid attention to the first scene. I was always paying attention to JB.

I don't think Vilandra is Liz and I don't think it is Isabel either. I go w/Tess cause she heard everything that CW said. And how come if she initially was the strongest of the four, did she get her royal hiney kicked. With the help of CW and Courtney and what i think GRant she could pull of this story and totally distance Max and Isabel since along w/Liz she is very important to him, not to mention Michael.

But I was thinking if Isabel turned out to be Max's bride, which would be kinda gross. She would step back so that Max and LIz could get together. She group up knowing Max as her brother, which she thought that Michael was too, but she hasn't been pursuing that either. That could be a good thing, right. But then that would make TEss Max's sister. Maybe they were step siblings. Boy maybe I have watched too many Monday night movies

PS - Remember NO SPOILERS on this thread - even references to future episode descriptions. Only discuss what has aired (promos included - so coming attractions are okay to discuss) or transcripts of aired shows (deleted parts are allowed, too).

BTW - Welcome to all the newbies!!

Since the writers have followed the Vilandra/Granolith ep with the intro of 4 new podsters, how about if Max, Is, and Michael were part of a decoy set of podsters and the real Vilandra and her Brother the King were in the other set. This would explain why Nasedo didn't do more protecting until they attracted attention. Maybe Tess is the real Vilandra from a different pod set (the leaking pod having not survived). This would leave Max free to be with Liz and likewise the other hybrids with their chosen earth loves.

Maybe there is an earthly counterpart to every Twilo essence and Liz is the counterpart to the other Max's Liz.

Or it would be really trippy if the new podsters look like Liz, Maria, Alex and Kyle.

Rozburtie-Hey I just watched the pilot again today and when Liz was checking out her cells I thought the same thing you did-What if her cells are different but not human different? Maybe this could tie in with Liz having been some sort of alien descendant or podster even. If that theory is correct. I don't know whether I believe Liz is all human, or alien, or hybrid.

Evid--please go back and read the last page of the last thread (#13) so you can read my post about my thoughts on your idea of future Max and Liz making love. I realized we could rule out teenage pregnancy.

SweetJo

MODEangel

STARBOX--separated at birth indeed, I loved the little line about the contract expiring LOL!!!!!My thoughts exactly, our dreamer bias showing.
I also must tell you I agree with what you said about TESS and for that matter NASEDO the jury is still OUT OF THESE TWO as far as I am concerned, too many weird things, and not much help to the PDSTRS really. To me I am just waiting for the other show to drop, it might take all season but I think it will.

quote:

---

Originally posted by Rozburtie:
Liz's and Max's cells from the Pilot have been mentioned many times. It has been empasized that Liz's cells were human and Max's weren't, so it is assumed that Liz is of course human.

Well I'm not a scientist so I don't know what human cells look like. But is it possible that Liz's cells aren't completely human either and what she saw was that their cells were different from each other? She didn't compare her cells to normal human cells. Is it possible that her's are only partly human? That she is the product of mixed species? Of course Max is a mix too. But he is a hybrid. She could be a product of interspecies mating. Just a thought...i.e. GC and and alien love, Jeffry and an early-hatched podster. Oh the possibilities are endless.

---

well.... we see liz's cells and max's cells in the pilot. let's just suppose that grandma slept w/ a ss and jeff came out, he'd be a hybrid. now, he marries nancy (human) and then has liz. that would make her 1/4 alien. w/ the 1/4 alien, it could be a recessive gene that the human cells could mask the alien cells. and her powers would remain dormant until the healing of max would awaken something in her that she was able to see the flashes. not knowing that she was part alien, then she wouldn't think anything of the flashes other than the deep connection w/ max.

but, if jeff is a hybrid like max, he must have some sort of power unless it's dormant or it skips a generation or being in the 60-70s the weird stuff could maybe be attributed to "trips" on whatever free lovin', drug induced "visions", sensations.

ok... i'm just rambling

------------------
~*emjay*~

Hey guys, cheer up! I just thought about TEOTW, and well if Liz gets to talk to future Max then don't you think he will at least tell her some valuable info about the EA or whatever else may help them all. If so then even if Max falls out of love with her (not sure possible anyway), then on the bright side at least we should be seeing alot more of Liz from now on considering she will know so much more than everyone else, and will take on the leadership role again. (Sorry, I know that was probably a run-on.)

Then maybe notWhat if Max can't tell her anything or doesn't want to for some important reason. AHHHH!!!!!

I don't care! I have faith in Jason Katims--he wouldn't forever separate such a great pair, team, love, connection, friendship as Max and Liz. He created these characters for crying out loud! He created the Max and Liz team--NO, it ain't happening I tell you! It just can't, not forever.

I think I need to try not to think about TEOTW anymore because it's too depressing. If it looks like forever tomorrow night when I am watching it then I will probably yell at the TV and throw things at it. Then I will probably cry--which is unusual for me to do when it comes to TV shows. I guess that's the biggest clue that I am obsessed. I get too emotional with Roswell!

Talk more to ya tomorrow--I hope that I won't have to report that I broke my TV or anything (my poor TV--it isn't its fault).

SweetJo

All of these theories sound possible, though I prefer the theory of Liz being changed, seeing it seems more possible, then that begs the question of why Kyle and River Dog weren't changed in their healings. Keep posting guys, you work my brain more than school

And GraceKel, you might want to peek at the archive of Nasedo-as-an-evil-alien page that I ***finally*** put up tonight at http://www.ulink.net/plum/Roswell/nasedo.htm
(not meaning to speak ill of the so-called dead).

I just thought of something--As many of you have, I too have wondered about whether Kyle is now changed like Liz in some way.

However since I just watched the pilot again, the thought occured to me that maybe Liz isn't different because of the healing but really because of the "reverse vision connection" that Max made Liz have. Maybe when he MADE her have the visions he opened the flood gates of visions to come later.
In the process of the "reverse connection", he could have unknowingly changed her physically or as many of you speculate awakened her alien essence. This all happened (the RC) after Liz looked at her cells and Max's cells. So even if they were human cells then, who's to say they are now.

Kyle never went through "RC"(and he has never kissed Max for that matter either--sorry it was too funny to not say it). Hence, the reason Kyle hasn't changed(well, we don't know that yet I guess).

Also, did anyone else notice that all Max had to do in S&B was barely touch Liz and she had a vision just from that? I don't remember it ever being that easy for her before. I think she might be getting stronger. ANY THOUGHTS?

BTW--Why would Max ever ask Liz to fall out of love with him? That's not like him--he would find any way but that way to save all of them. If he says it is because he has to be with Tess then I am going to be really mad(and I don't even hate Tess-I just think she was lonely and trying to fit in). That would be stupid--their lives wouldn't ever depend on Max being with his bride, considering she really hasn't been shown to be a leader or even a force to be reckoned with when with Max. NOT LIKE OUR LIZ! I will stop speculating now and just wait to see what happens before I talk about TEOTW again (because I could literally go on forever about this one).

Zero: Great start,as always. Looks like you have been busy adding a few things. I was happy to see you included my info on Balance. I believe they will get back to the cave and Riverdog at some point, otherwise why would they continue with these clues, don't you agree?

SweetJo: I read your post over on #12 and I was very impressed that you found a way around the teen pregnancy issue. I just hope Liz will not have morning sickness that hole time.

I was over at theddd.com today and I noticed the picture that Max changed on BD. When he first changed it I thought it was cute, then after Max2Max I thought it was because Nasedo shapeshifted into Max. But now I'm thinking about the other four hybrids, Max has a double. Let's just say this double is the one that comes back from the future. He might have strong feeling for Liz, but will not have the history or the connection that are Max does. I just can't believe the Max near and dear to our hearts could ask Liz to fall out of love with him. Can you tell I'm hoping for a for a quick Max & Liz reunion. I know this would be to good to be true, right?

Here is that pic of a picture.

This is somthing Liz said on Monsters.

(LIZ is meeting with the Crashdown employees)

LIZ: In response to recent shift confusion I have created this color coated system so that we'll all have a clear plan. Now, like any good plan, there is flexibility built into it, but the important thing is, is if you need to make a change, tell me and I'll make it. That way, nothing will get out of control. Thank you all for coming in. Any questions?

Ok, do you all see what I see, does this make you think of Harding who was a Shapeshifter and who begin to show respect to Liz. Let's not forget the color differences in Harding and Tic-Tac. Is Liz the Queen/boss of the Shapeshifters?
Ok time for bed. Goodnight

This is off the topic a bit. I hope that is okay!!

I just saw a special on the UFO sightings called the Pearl Necklace. It is a group of lights in the sky. Scientists have studied the videos of these and feel they could be powered by the manipulation of earth's magnetic field. Maybe this is why our podster's people chose earth. We had the right magnetic field.

Back to the pearl necklace... these scientists say there are 7 primary and 12 secondary. (the primary lights are brighter and tend to fly more independently, while the 12 fly in a tight group, often in three groups of four). With the sightings have come earthly dissasters, some call them messages of destiny....

Now, here is the interesting part, the Pearl Necklace looks a lot like the stars in sexual healing and other Roswell episodes. When they move into the V formation. I wonder if the writers are incorporating some of this into the story?? It could be intersting if they do...

What do you all think?? What about those numbers? I apologize if you feel this isn't related at all, it just seemed so familiar as I watched it... Maybe I just have Roswell on the brain!!

Secondly, someone may have asked this somewhere up there, but I have to read it all first so here's my question. You know how T has this "selective memory" thing? If she can remember bits and pieces of the previous life, then why hasn't she remembered the Vilandra/Is thing? And why hasn't she rememberd the fact that there are 8 Pods here? 2 Pod Squads, in fact? And could it be that she really DOES remember and maybe that's why she isn't all that friendly to Liz? Almost exclludes her in stuff (like back in M2TM or White Room or Destiny)??

Anyhow, Steph sorry about all the weekend posts but that's really the only time I have to catch up and post. I bet alot of us are in that boat. But believe me, I feel your pain.

Steph--Also, about your whole Tess "selective memory" and the other podsters (incl. Liz) theory explaining why Tess wants to exclude Liz from everything, I like it! But I would like to think that Tess isn't mean or bad still(just lonely). Hey, maybe it could just be subconscious. I mean that could make sense--she may not really remember everything but feels Liz is a real threat to her anyway(b/c Liz is a podster). I think Tess really loves Max or knows that she did anyway, which is why she has backed off of Max and Liz this season so far. She wants him to be happy. But if her subconsious is telling her to do the opposite in regards to Max and Liz then she is experiencing a conflict of interest. JUST LIKE POOR LIZ DID IN DESTINY! They are a lot alike in that aspect. Funny, I never thought I would find similarities btw. Tess and Liz. But there I did it! Personally, I feel sorry for both of them(unless Tess isn't who she says she is and she knows that she isn't who she says she is). Technically, Tess could have been lied to by Nasedo/Harding about her and MAX. But I am not sure why he would lie to her about that, unless he is an EA and he knew Liz was key to Max in the podsters winning the war. Don't know? ANY THOUGHTS????
BE KIND, I KNOW MOST OF YOU HATE TESS. BUT HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU WERE IN HER SHOES?

SCIFIMOM- I didn't think your post was completely off topic. It might fit in somewhere.

Gotta go, I am at school and I still have work to do!

SweetJo

------------------
RBI-Dream/star/candy-Tess supporter-WildOne-ORBS-RACS

quote:

---

Originally posted by SweetJo:
Anyhow, Steph sorry about all the weekend posts but that's really the only time I have to catch up and post. I bet alot of us are in that boat. But believe me, I feel your pain.

---

quote:

---

Steph--Also, about your whole Tess "selective memory" and the other podsters (incl. Liz) theory explaining why Tess wants to exclude Liz from everything, I like it! But I would like to think that Tess isn't mean or bad still(just lonely). Hey, maybe it could just be subconscious. I mean that could make sense--she may not really remember everything but feels Liz is a real threat to her anyway(b/c Liz is a podster). I think Tess really loves Max or knows that she did anyway, which is why she has backed off of Max and Liz this season so far. She wants him to be happy. But if her subconsious is telling her to do the opposite in regards to Max and Liz then she is experiencing a conflict of interest. JUST LIKE POOR LIZ DID IN DESTINY! They are a lot alike in that aspect. Funny, I never thought I would find similarities btw. Tess and Liz. But there I did it! Personally, I feel sorry for both of them(unless Tess isn't who she says she is and she knows that she isn't who she says she is). Technically, Tess could have been lied to by Nasedo/Harding about her and MAX. But I am not sure why he would lie to her about that, unless he is an EA and he knew Liz was key to Max in the podsters winning the war. Don't know? ANY THOUGHTS????
BE KIND, I KNOW MOST OF YOU HATE TESS. BUT HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU WERE IN HER SHOES?

---

Now, I don't HATE T, but I do have the sames feelings as Liz, "I just don't trust her". There are parts of me that thinks if she's who she says she is (or thinks she is), then totally my bad and I give her credit for coming out the way she has! But, I can't shake that feeling that she ISN'T who she says she is and that Liz, oh dear Liz, has the insightful wisedom to know it!

Having set her up to be distrusted, it strikes me that TPTB are now undecided about what to do with her. Outside of the tired 'love triangle' idea, unless she finds an identity for herself other than Max's destined bride, they will run out of things for her to do. Until she shows some remorse for her underhanded actions, and shows a less self-centred side to her personality I'm not ready to see her in a positive light.

I'm sorry I've haven't been checked in for a while. Wouldn't it be funny if Liz and Tess turn out to be sisters? (same mother=Sheila Hubble, different dads Liz's father=TicTac, Tess's father=Harding) I could see TicTac and Harding arguing over which sister should get the king, and maybe since Tess didn't win she turned traitor and helped the skins. Remember that it is always the unexpected for shows like this. And it's natural for sisters to like the same guy and completely hate each other and not trust each other. Something like that would completely shock Roswell fans, because it would be so unexpected. Anyways I just wanted to post a picture of Sheila for all those who don't know.
I hope this works.

And is it just me or does Liz seem to sense when people are coming? Like see knew when Michael was getting ready to come out of his room in The Morning After. It's like her eyes were already there before Michael even appeared, and the same thing happened in The White Room. And isn't it strange that Liz gets so scared when she hears anything that my sound like a coyote.

Oh well bye for now.

----------------------
Dreamgirl, Applesaucer, R.B.I.

quote:

---

Originally posted by LizParkerfan:
Hey Agents.

I'm sorry I've haven't been checked in for a while. Wouldn't it be funny if Liz and Tess turn out to be sisters? (same mother=Sheila Hubble, different dads Liz's father=TicTac, Tess's father=Harding) I could see TicTac and Harding arguing over which sister should get the king, and maybe since Tess didn't win she turned traitor and helped the skins. Remember that it is always the unexpected for shows like this. And it's natural for sisters to like the same guy and completely hate each other and not trust each other. Something like that would completely shock Roswell fans, because it would be so unexpected. Anyways I just wanted to post a picture of Sheila for all those who don't know.
I hope this works.

And is it just me or does Liz seem to sense when people are coming? Like see knew when Michael was getting ready to come out of his room in The Morning After. It's like her eyes were already there before Michael even appeared, and the same thing happened in The White Room. And isn't it strange that Liz gets so scared when she hears anything that my sound like a coyote.

Oh well bye for now.

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by HyperKitN:
But I was thinking if Isabel turned out to be Max's bride, which would be kinda gross. She would step back so that Max and LIz could get together. She group up knowing Max as her brother, which she thought that Michael was too, but she hasn't been pursuing that either. That could be a good thing, right. But then that would make TEss Max's sister. Maybe they were step siblings. Boy maybe I have watched too many Monday night movies

---

OK, but that's the most obvious explanation for Harding keeping Tess away from the other podsters, isn't it? If Isabel & Michael regard each other as siblings (eew), then Tess and Max would regard each other as siblings (eew).
So much for The Plan!

About Tess - I am just about convinced that she IS the traitor Vilandra (and I think Grant is her skin lover - for the record). Its the only thing that makes sense. It also makes sense that they would try to convince Isabel that SHE is a traitor (the divide and conquer that someone mentioned before).

Now - I have a huge clue for you guys.
First I have to swear to you that I did NOT make this up.
Today I went to work and decided to look up the names of Tess and GC - I just had a hunch that the names must mean something.
Anyway - Tess means "HARVESTER" (kinda creepy I think - esp since next weeks episode is called "Harvest" - its a name that I think will directly link her to the skins somehow)
Okay - thats not the big clue.
Guess what Claudia means?????
You will never guess.
I didnt believe it when I read it so I looked it up in six different books and they all said the same exact thing.
Okay.

Claudia - "Lame - walks with a LIMP"

I am totally not kidding.
Now - there is no way on earth that that is a coincidence. I am just not sure how it ties in.

SCIFIMOM-nice idea I too wonder if they will incorporate this or have been all along incorporating this into the story.

STEPH-STEPH-STEPH did you notice the expression on TESS's face when Alex asked why did that beeper react to Michael and not to you Max? I don't know about you but I got the impression she knows very well why and her expression alone was letting us know that she is hiding things. That is my take.

Starbox, very good clue about Claudia meaning Lame(limp of the leg) but NEMO beat you to this along time ago he!he! And I think someone already posted that TESS meant REAPER so Harvest, Reaper this can't be good LOL!!!!

As far as Tess goes, I do not hate her - I can see her as a sympathetic character, BUT the manipulation/deception of last season makes me not trust her character at all - and that is separate from the fact that she is an obstacle to Liz and Max. In some ways - an obstacle makes the connection between L&M all that more pronounced!

I rented Run Lola Run over the weekend. What a hard time I had finding it. I had to go to 4 different video places. I guess thats what happens when you live in a little town in the middle of knowhere. Anyway, I thought it was very bizzar but it gave me great hope. What I got out of it was sometimes the obvious path won't get you the desired results. That said I have a feeling the writters are going to take us on a wild Liz and Max rollercoaster ride that will give us (the dreamers ) the desired results - Liz and Max together!!!

I am ready for the End of the World to come!! I am armed with a blank video tape and a box of Kleenex! I think tomorrow we should have a special Agents meeting for a group hug, I think were all going to need it!!!

Well, I've got to go and get ready to board the Max/Liz rollercoaster. Hang on folks I think we're in for a bumpy ride!!

Can you tell I am killing time until 9:00 :-) :-) :-)
About the names - I was wondering why noone had looked up their meanings before <vbg>
Show's what happens when you join in a discussion mid-thread <sigh>
I do think however that Tess's "harvester" name just gets chalked up to "one more reason she gives me the creeps".

See you later - !

Starstruck: You are so right about all of us needing a group hug after tonights heartbreaker. I'm going to give out my HoneyBehr Hug to all my fellow agents.

GraceKel: I'm going to need my Pod Bud sitting close by after tonight.
I agree with you that not all the skins are Evil.
I keep thinking that Liz is Vilandra, because when CW metioned it the first time I saw Surprise, the first person to pop into my head was LIZ. I'm sure some of you thought the same thing. CW said, You had a great love...and for him...for us...you betrayed your brother, your race. Who other then Liz and Max could be considered of having a great love?
I wonder if Max was captured by the SS and Liz/Vilandra protected him and then helped him escape. On BD she grabs Max and leads him into the shower and then again on Destiny she leads Max to safty and escapes the FBI. It looks to me like Liz has done this time and time again,(Run Lola Run) she has proven just what great lenghts she will go through to protect her GREAT LOVE, Max.
I know after tonight she will have proven once again just how much of herself she will sacrifice for Max.

Evid

DO NOT CONTINUE IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN "TEOTW"!

I seriously feel like my heart just broke.

It was so weird, I was rooting for Max and Liz to save the world while at the same time I was saying "No Max don't do it!" to present day Max. When it came down to it and Max was either going to accept Tess or not, and meanwhile Future Max and Liz were having their "wedding dance"-- I just kept thinking "not just yet Max, please give Liz a few more minutes to have her "wedding dance" with future you and then accept Tess". So at the end I was bawling my eyes out, and for some reason I still accepted the fact that Max has to be with Tess(in fact, right now just thinking about it has me in tears-but it was only 5 min. ago, so I guess I haven't had time to calm down just yet). Well, Liz was very important to the podsters afterall. I don't know, I just can't believe this!

And Michael and Marie too! Alex and Isabel also! They wiped out all those relationships in like one episode. GOD, THAT WAS SO TRAUMATIC FOR ME!

THE ONLY GLIMMER OF HOPE I HAVE IS THAT MAX STILL SAID THAT THEY CHOOSE THEIR OWN DESTINY TO LIZ AT THE END. I just hope what they just did, didn't choose their destinies forever. Max said that it is just like he always told her. Does he think they might still be together somehow then? WHAT DID THAT MEAN????

We now need(or at least I do) a support group. For the loss of our loved ones Max and Liz. God, everything they do has been done as a team and now even this. They were a team in breaking their connection! I still think Jason Katims wouldn't do this. I think I am in shock!

SweetJo

------------------
RBI-Dream/star/candy-Tess supporter-WildOne-ORBS-RACS

1) the alien war was taking place on earth - if all h*** broke loose by 2014 then the skins must have be very infiltrated into society at present.
2) if Isabel and Michael were killed but max and Liz had survived it seems that Liz *must* have some pretty strong *powers* by that time.
3) Gee - FM sure was a fount of great information. No mention of Vilandra. He seemed to not be able to tell Liz much of anything BUT when I rethought it it seemed like until the betrayal took place that he was telling her "we can never be together" - but then AFTERWARDS - he was like "I dont KNOW - we may still be together". Which makes me think myabe he knows/knew all along in his heart that she is very valuable (the fouth podster???) and that they will end up together no matter what. Maybe he just had to convince her to betray him to change that one event in time.
4) Kyle didnt see visions - not a big suprise to me. Just more reason to beleive/suspect that the Max/Liz connection is BIGGER than we think/know.
5) FM didnt trust Tess. I dont think she is really the "balance" that makes their powers work. He was way too secretive about what happened. If she REALLY was the missing link - I think he would have trusted her - after all she supposedly thinks they are destined to be together - wouldnt FM showing up and telling her not to give up hope because he needs her have made a difference???
What I think is that FM knows that Tess is an imposter. But - if he and Liz would have become inseperable at that moment - that Tess would have given up on trying to infiltrate them instead just opting for out and out betryal/war. I think FM is hoping that by pushing Max to include her in the pod squad that they will find her out before she can betray them all. He couldnt tell Liz the truth because he had to convince her to distance herself from Max and she would have never done that if she knew Tess was evil.

Finally - I really, really liked this episode. It was really sad but not because I felt like Max and Liz were not going to be together (because I actually thought the ending was very hopeful) but because it was SO sad to see Liz have to make such a sacrifice.
And I was sad because it is so nice to see them together and all their great chemistry and it was sad to think that we wont see that again right away :-(

I REALLY liked Kyle alot. And I think that Tess and Kyle have alot of chemistry.

Okay - goodnight everyone - I am sure we will be talking about this for a LONG time.

I hope I fixed the problem early enough.:frown:

SweetJo

I also watched Run Lola Run today, I liked it a lot . I had watched Sliding Doors before and this would be an interesting take if that it the way it is going.

HEY, are we allowed to post before west coast airs if we warn them first?

Just asking because after I did so did STARBOX, and I thought maybe she knew it was ok to post that way.

Need help--still a newbie here.

I have some great thoughts about ISABEL/Vilandra now that I have seen TEOTW.
I won't post them until I know that it's ok or until I know west coast has aired. Which ever comes first.
Thanks again STARBOX!

SweetJo

That said ***Warning*** Warning*****Warning
EOTW discussion follows:

Okay - one more thought before I go to bed.

I dont think it was unintentional that Tess (supposedly Max's "true" tesstiny <gag, gag> was about to ACTUALLY mess around with Kyle when Liz came by without giving a flip about betraying Max.

While Liz (who really IS his destiny and TRUE LOVE) would never, ever actually do anything to betray Max. Even after FM gives his "blessing" to a Kyle/Liz union - she still is going to be faithful to him FOREVER - whether she can physically be with him or not.

Actually - now that I am thinking about it again - I think FM told her that "maybe she should be with Kyle" ONLY because he heard her speech to Max about not wanting to live in danger and FM thought maybe she meant part of what she said - did you see how happy he was when he heard say she was still going to choose him and be faithful no matter what :-) I think FM seemed very happy at the end - like he KNEW that they were going to end up together no matter what.

OK, so Max and Liz really do love each other. We knew this, but it's sweet to see. Tess is really a genuine podster. A useful one. And by the way, though she may "not be from around here", she does have a human side. Frustration. Exasperation. Anger. Not just a cardboard cut-out. I've been saying that the poor gal seems to have gotten the short end of the stick in this deal. It's interesting to see that she realizes it too.

And, at one point, it looks like Tess is ready to chuck the whole Destiny thing. I believe that she's been "saving herself" for the guy she remembers as her husband, who loves her. But, hey, if he wants nothing to do with her, well then, screw him! Or more to the point, someone else, of Tess's own choosing; not the one she is planned for by someone else.

And likewise, we see that Liz is not ready to make love with any Max. She's also the only one who seems to be thinking clearly in other areas. Who comes up with the plans to seperate her and Max? For each and every one, Liz is in charge. Max can't do it without her; he can't even plan something; he just presses Liz to "do something". Can anyone doubt that Liz is the brains in this couple? That Max needs her, not just heart and soul, but her wonderful mind? And she loves him. If anyone didn't like Liz before, they've got to now!

Michael and Courtney: Definitely a spark there. I'm beginning to think that Courtney is a Good Guy, or at least a neutral. Remember that our podsters originally were not "in on" the whole Destiny plan. Courtney may not be connected with the Skins' operations. The lotion may be a clue that she doesn't even realize that she's supposed to shed. I think he may fall in with the podsters.

Questions answered. Answers questioned. Mush by the shovelfull. Something familiar, something peculiar. Something for everyone: Roswell tonight!

Well said! And I missed the whole Tess is a legitmate podster points, I guess I was to entrapped with all the Liz facts!

Future Liz seems to have insisted that Max go back.
Liz is the one, the only one, Max goes to.
Liz solves Future Maxes problems.
Liz is the one that developed the plan to make Max fall out of love with her, a plan that Future Max snickers at.

What a wonderful Liz episode, even though it broke my dreamer heart.

Any one else laugh over Courtney jumping through the window in true Roswell fashion. Someone tell these guys about a crazy invention called door.

it was hard seeing the futue liz alone at the granolith and looking up into the sky, knowing that she will never see her husband again and the only comfort are the memories. and at the end when fm disappears and she is too looking into the sky.....

man this was hard to watch. liz and max was awesome in this episode. it was funny when liz and kyle was talking about being the only 2 to have died and brought back to life by an alien... and the flashes... only liz had them. shows the true connection b/w max and liz and when pm and liz kiss at cw's office... you see the children flash again.

as much as i don't really want liz to be part alien, it is staring you right in the face. it's the logical reason. when max says that w/ tess, their power is strong. so.. you just need another alien power... help liz awaken that power within and have her join the 4. get tess out of the way. sorry... the dreamer self is talking.

------------------
~*emjay*~

On a side note:
Is it me, or are the writers, getting inside each character's head, one at a time, and really giving every viewer a chance to see things through their eyes? Seems that way to me. I'd say that Tess is up next. they did a little bit of Tess sympathizing in EOTW, but a whole episode from her POV would be interesting, don't ya think?

Plus they reemphasized how Liz is the only one to get flashes.

And they mention this Serena person. I wonder when/if we meet her.

Reggie--I agree with you about Tess. I would probably say the same thing if I were her-screw him!

I do believe Tess to be a podster who is indeed good.

Here's what I think about TEOTW now that I am in a rational state again and I watched it again also:
Liz(future and present)is the leader(or savior, or both) when it comes to her and Max.(not suggesting Liz is the podster Leader mom-o-gram spoke of--don't know yet?) I can see many of you agree on this too. It's obvious in TEOTW! LIZ saved the world! FLiz's idea, PLiz's plan.
Plus, when PLiz says to FMax I have some questions-FMax replies "I understand" in like an obeying sort of tone-like Yes SIR! DID ANYONE NOTICE THAT?
All future Max said couldn't happen was for Tess to leave the pod squad. Not that he had to forever be romantically involved with her-Just for now to get her to stay with them.
Liz is obiviously very important to the P.S. but instead of Liz being the 4th podster she could be the "FIFTH Element", like many of you have speculated before. BUT they still need the 4th-TESS!!! (I just realized that would be just like the movie-huh, I wonder if the writers would follow this theme.)Either way, when dealing with elements isn't there always five involved? This could be a clue--
AIR(wind),WATER,FIRE,EARTH,and SPIRIT(THE 5th)!
Tess said herself in tonight's ep that she didn't ask to be Max's mate. Was she talking about this life or the last on their planet? Clue confirming it was a politically arranged marriage? That Tess has strong powers and was choosen to be with Max for that reason alone(not love)?
Will Tess eventually bond with the group so much that she won't care whether she is Max's lover or not-and then stay with the P.S. either way? Giving Max back to Liz because she knows they love each other?
That would still fullfill what FMAX and Liz set out to accomplish in TEOTW.
PMax clearly said "But she can't be you. Tess can never be you." to Liz. Are the writers giving us a clue here? "You" is clearly important, like "YOU" has a major purpose, or so Max senses. "You" sounded like more than just a "love" to me.
Isabel must not be Vilandra if FMax was upset about her dying as he said "two weeks ago" in his time(the future). He wouldn't care if she betrayed them all. Would he? Of course if IZ still is Vilandra like CW said then I think she could be completely reformed even though CW said IZ would do it again. ???
Why go from, "humans are really important to the hybrids" in SO'47 to "humans shouldn't be with hybrids" in TEOTW? Conflicting themes back to back! In TEOTW they broke off all 3 human/hybrid relationships.
Courtney seems to be good to me(a bit nosy and pushy-but so was Tess in the beginning and now she isn't). If she is bad, why wouldn't have Courtney just already killed Michael? I think she is good. I don't know why--maybe as REGGIE already suggested, she isn't in cohoots with the other skins? Either because she doesn't know about them or aliens at all, or because she betrayed the skins. Sounds oddly familiar now that I type it--It can't be that she is Vilandra b/c she is a skin. Vilandra is not a skin from what CW said. BUT MAYBE THERE ARE TRAITORS ON BOTH SIDES.
We don't know that all skins are evil.

Just random points real quick:
Did you see the way FMax smiled at Liz when she was saying why time travel was impossible-it was like he was thinking "God, she was always so smart! I should have expected this resistence to believe it." He really loves that about Liz.
When Liz's dad comes out-FMax mouths to Liz "I'll be back". From the future again?To his old loving Liz self again one day?(okay I know that was way far fetched, it's just that what I thought of when he did it)
Probably just "back" out on the balcony, huh?
Why didn't FMax just kiss Liz to prove who he was? Seems it would have been quicker to me. Maybe she would have seen future visions, so he knew he couldn't do that.Oh well!

EVID-well FMax and PLiz didn't make love afterall-oh well. Could have been a great plot twist down the road though!

I know this was really long but I had to get it all down before I forgot something.

SweetJo

------------------
RBI-Dream/star/candy-Tess supporter-WildOne-ORBS-RACS

-I don't know about y'all, but I am more certain than ever that Max and Liz end up together and happy. The reality that they changed seemed to pretty much suck, so I think that what happened tonight will ultimately lead to a better existance for everybody.

-I'm betting that LIZ is instrumental in discovering what powers the granolith has in the future. Especially since in the present, she is now the only person who knows about the time travel element. SHE IS MORE IMPORTANT NOW THAN EVER!!!

-Liz now has even more reason to keep the podsters safe. She won't let what she did to/for Max be for nothing. I think we are going to see alot more mature, forceful Liz action coming up.

-They had better get a full season, because there is NO WAY they'll be able to work all of this stuff out in 13 or even 17 eps.

Nermal--All the lyrics in I SHALL BELIEVE at the end of the ep did seem to suggest that Max and Liz will be together. And the lyrics pointed out Liz was very important. DOES ANYONE HAVE ALL THE LYRICS TO THIS SONG?
Isn't it funny how our campaign slogan is ROSWELL WE STILL BELIEVE and Liz and Max's song is I SHALL BELIEVE? Do you think the writers thought that one out on purpose?

Why would Liz hook up Tess and Max if she still didn't trust Tess at all? She would have told FMax that Tess could ruin everything anyway, but she didn't.
Liz must trust Tess alot more now--don't know why--maybe because she was hunted by CW and Liz now figures that Tess is good afterall.
I wish we could have seen all of the characters' reactions to that event now. Especially, Liz.

MINNESOTAGIRLIE--yes I think they have been writing each ep from one character's POV. It is interesting! I can't wait till it all ties in together.

Czech Please--GOOD POINT--Liz will know more about the granulith now than any of the P.S.
I can't wait to see her take charge - Liz would be a great PROTECTOR for the "Royal Four". That could still tie in with the 5th element theory. Speaking of that here's another option:
NORTH,SOUTH,EAST,WEST, and CENTER(CORE)-CENTER BEING THE 5TH. HEY, THAT SOUNDS LIKE BALANCE TO ME!

Nighty-night,
SweetJo

We found Liz and she is just as amazing as before. Nice to have you back Liz, we missed you.

quote:

---

Originally posted by SweetJo:
RBI's,

Nermal--All the lyrics in I SHALL BELIEVE at the end of the ep did seem to suggest that Max and Liz will be together. And the lyrics pointed out Liz was very important. DOES ANYONE HAVE ALL THE LYRICS TO THIS SONG?

---

Jo--I just posted the lyrics as a new topic. And I agree, if that song doesn't give you hope that they'll be together, nothing will!

As I suspected the entire song fits the thinking that they will get back together. That song makes me get teary eyed.
"And lay your hands on me"-when he heals her and during the "reverse connection".
"I'm broken in two"-Max is her other half and they're separated.
"Never again would I turn away from you...And I do believe"-They come back together.
"That not everything is gonna be the way you think it ought to be"-their relationship may not seem like it will work now because of this but it still can (WILL) in the end.

SweetJo
I SHALL BELIEVE!!!!!

When FMax said Liz needed to change, maybe what he was saying is that Liz has been in the background. She has been unsure of her position (like Max, I might add) Maybe she needs to stand up and fight for what is hers....Max, her position in the group, her planet. This isn't coming out right but the general idea is there.

a) how SAD was that!?

b) I'm with whomever stated that they were cheering for FL and FM to save the world, yet screaming at PM and PL to "stay together". So torn on what the right thing to do with this one is!

c) FM mentioned "when T left, they weren't as strong", so that confirms that T IS the fourth podster, right? I mean, if she were from the second pod (that we really don't know anything about as of yet), then why would it matter if she left? Which means.. *gag*.. she was telling the truth about her and Max's Destiny!?!?

d) Why couldn't FM just go to T and talk her into "staying in Roswell"? Since.. he said that she elft and THAT's what made them weaker - they would have been as strong if she stayed nearby, right? She doesn't necessarily have to jump into bed with Max, does she!?!?!

e) And whomever commented on FL still being around even after Mike and Is died. What kind of powers had she developed? Or.. how could a "mere human" survive such a tragedy that even took its toll on the Pod Squad??

f) Did FM mention Maria? Or Alex? What happened to them in the future?

Okay I'm also wondering if Michael peeled Courtney's skin off, how did Nasedo not know that Congresswoman Whitaker was not a skin.

Remember is half

1)Tess did not go on a wild rampage and kill Michael and Isabel

2)Liz did not go back to the fortune teller at the end.

HEY, are we allowed to post before west coast airs if we warn them first?

Just asking because after I did so did STARBOX, and I thought maybe she knew it was ok to post that way.

Need help--still a newbie here.

I have some great thoughts about ISABEL/Vilandra now that I have seen TEOTW.
I won't post them until I know that it's ok or until I know west coast has aired. Which ever comes first.
Thanks again STARBOX!

SweetJo

That said ***Warning*** Warning*****Warning
EOTW discussion follows:

Okay - one more thought before I go to bed.

I dont think it was unintentional that Tess (supposedly Max's "true" tesstiny <gag, gag> was about to ACTUALLY mess around with Kyle when Liz came by without giving a flip about betraying Max.

While Liz (who really IS his destiny and TRUE LOVE) would never, ever actually do anything to betray Max. Even after FM gives his "blessing" to a Kyle/Liz union - she still is going to be faithful to him FOREVER - whether she can physically be with him or not.

Actually - now that I am thinking about it again - I think FM told her that "maybe she should be with Kyle" ONLY because he heard her speech to Max about not wanting to live in danger and FM thought maybe she meant part of what she said - did you see how happy he was when he heard say she was still going to choose him and be faithful no matter what :-) I think FM seemed very happy at the end - like he KNEW that they were going to end up together no matter what.

OK, so Max and Liz really do love each other. We knew this, but it's sweet to see. Tess is really a genuine podster. A useful one. And by the way, though she may "not be from around here", she does have a human side. Frustration. Exasperation. Anger. Not just a cardboard cut-out. I've been saying that the poor gal seems to have gotten the short end of the stick in this deal. It's interesting to see that she realizes it too.

And, at one point, it looks like Tess is ready to chuck the whole Destiny thing. I believe that she's been "saving herself" for the guy she remembers as her husband, who loves her. But, hey, if he wants nothing to do with her, well then, screw him! Or more to the point, someone else, of Tess's own choosing; not the one she is planned for by someone else.

And likewise, we see that Liz is not ready to make love with any Max. She's also the only one who seems to be thinking clearly in other areas. Who comes up with the plans to seperate her and Max? For each and every one, Liz is in charge. Max can't do it without her; he can't even plan something; he just presses Liz to "do something". Can anyone doubt that Liz is the brains in this couple? That Max needs her, not just heart and soul, but her wonderful mind? And she loves him. If anyone didn't like Liz before, they've got to now!

Michael and Courtney: Definitely a spark there. I'm beginning to think that Courtney is a Good Guy, or at least a neutral. Remember that our podsters originally were not "in on" the whole Destiny plan. Courtney may not be connected with the Skins' operations. The lotion may be a clue that she doesn't even realize that she's supposed to shed. I think he may fall in with the podsters.

Questions answered. Answers questioned. Mush by the shovelfull. Something familiar, something peculiar. Something for everyone: Roswell tonight!

Well said! And I missed the whole Tess is a legitmate podster points, I guess I was to entrapped with all the Liz facts!

Future Liz seems to have insisted that Max go back.
Liz is the one, the only one, Max goes to.
Liz solves Future Maxes problems.
Liz is the one that developed the plan to make Max fall out of love with her, a plan that Future Max snickers at.

What a wonderful Liz episode, even though it broke my dreamer heart.

Any one else laugh over Courtney jumping through the window in true Roswell fashion. Someone tell these guys about a crazy invention called door.

it was hard seeing the futue liz alone at the granolith and looking up into the sky, knowing that she will never see her husband again and the only comfort are the memories. and at the end when fm disappears and she is too looking into the sky.....

man this was hard to watch. liz and max was awesome in this episode. it was funny when liz and kyle was talking about being the only 2 to have died and brought back to life by an alien... and the flashes... only liz had them. shows the true connection b/w max and liz and when pm and liz kiss at cw's office... you see the children flash again.

as much as i don't really want liz to be part alien, it is staring you right in the face. it's the logical reason. when max says that w/ tess, their power is strong. so.. you just need another alien power... help liz awaken that power within and have her join the 4. get tess out of the way. sorry... the dreamer self is talking.

------------------
~*emjay*~

On a side note:
Is it me, or are the writers, getting inside each character's head, one at a time, and really giving every viewer a chance to see things through their eyes? Seems that way to me. I'd say that Tess is up next. they did a little bit of Tess sympathizing in EOTW, but a whole episode from her POV would be interesting, don't ya think?

Plus they reemphasized how Liz is the only one to get flashes.

And they mention this Serena person. I wonder when/if we meet her.

Reggie--I agree with you about Tess. I would probably say the same thing if I were her-screw him!

I do believe Tess to be a podster who is indeed good.

Here's what I think about TEOTW now that I am in a rational state again and I watched it again also:
Liz(future and present)is the leader(or savior, or both) when it comes to her and Max.(not suggesting Liz is the podster Leader mom-o-gram spoke of--don't know yet?) I can see many of you agree on this too. It's obvious in TEOTW! LIZ saved the world! FLiz's idea, PLiz's plan.
Plus, when PLiz says to FMax I have some questions-FMax replies "I understand" in like an obeying sort of tone-like Yes SIR! DID ANYONE NOTICE THAT?
All future Max said couldn't happen was for Tess to leave the pod squad. Not that he had to forever be romantically involved with her-Just for now to get her to stay with them.
Liz is obiviously very important to the P.S. but instead of Liz being the 4th podster she could be the "FIFTH Element", like many of you have speculated before. BUT they still need the 4th-TESS!!! (I just realized that would be just like the movie-huh, I wonder if the writers would follow this theme.)Either way, when dealing with elements isn't there always five involved? This could be a clue--
AIR(wind),WATER,FIRE,EARTH,and SPIRIT(THE 5th)!
Tess said herself in tonight's ep that she didn't ask to be Max's mate. Was she talking about this life or the last on their planet? Clue confirming it was a politically arranged marriage? That Tess has strong powers and was choosen to be with Max for that reason alone(not love)?
Will Tess eventually bond with the group so much that she won't care whether she is Max's lover or not-and then stay with the P.S. either way? Giving Max back to Liz because she knows they love each other?
That would still fullfill what FMAX and Liz set out to accomplish in TEOTW.
PMax clearly said "But she can't be you. Tess can never be you." to Liz. Are the writers giving us a clue here? "You" is clearly important, like "YOU" has a major purpose, or so Max senses. "You" sounded like more than just a "love" to me.
Isabel must not be Vilandra if FMax was upset about her dying as he said "two weeks ago" in his time(the future). He wouldn't care if she betrayed them all. Would he? Of course if IZ still is Vilandra like CW said then I think she could be completely reformed even though CW said IZ would do it again. ???
Why go from, "humans are really important to the hybrids" in SO'47 to "humans shouldn't be with hybrids" in TEOTW? Conflicting themes back to back! In TEOTW they broke off all 3 human/hybrid relationships.
Courtney seems to be good to me(a bit nosy and pushy-but so was Tess in the beginning and now she isn't). If she is bad, why wouldn't have Courtney just already killed Michael? I think she is good. I don't know why--maybe as REGGIE already suggested, she isn't in cohoots with the other skins? Either because she doesn't know about them or aliens at all, or because she betrayed the skins. Sounds oddly familiar now that I type it--It can't be that she is Vilandra b/c she is a skin. Vilandra is not a skin from what CW said. BUT MAYBE THERE ARE TRAITORS ON BOTH SIDES.
We don't know that all skins are evil.

Just random points real quick:
Did you see the way FMax smiled at Liz when she was saying why time travel was impossible-it was like he was thinking "God, she was always so smart! I should have expected this resistence to believe it." He really loves that about Liz.
When Liz's dad comes out-FMax mouths to Liz "I'll be back". From the future again?To his old loving Liz self again one day?(okay I know that was way far fetched, it's just that what I thought of when he did it)
Probably just "back" out on the balcony, huh?
Why didn't FMax just kiss Liz to prove who he was? Seems it would have been quicker to me. Maybe she would have seen future visions, so he knew he couldn't do that.Oh well!

EVID-well FMax and PLiz didn't make love afterall-oh well. Could have been a great plot twist down the road though!

I know this was really long but I had to get it all down before I forgot something.

SweetJo

------------------
RBI-Dream/star/candy-Tess supporter-WildOne-ORBS-RACS

-I don't know about y'all, but I am more certain than ever that Max and Liz end up together and happy. The reality that they changed seemed to pretty much suck, so I think that what happened tonight will ultimately lead to a better existance for everybody.

-I'm betting that LIZ is instrumental in discovering what powers the granolith has in the future. Especially since in the present, she is now the only person who knows about the time travel element. SHE IS MORE IMPORTANT NOW THAN EVER!!!

-Liz now has even more reason to keep the podsters safe. She won't let what she did to/for Max be for nothing. I think we are going to see alot more mature, forceful Liz action coming up.

-They had better get a full season, because there is NO WAY they'll be able to work all of this stuff out in 13 or even 17 eps.

Nermal--All the lyrics in I SHALL BELIEVE at the end of the ep did seem to suggest that Max and Liz will be together. And the lyrics pointed out Liz was very important. DOES ANYONE HAVE ALL THE LYRICS TO THIS SONG?
Isn't it funny how our campaign slogan is ROSWELL WE STILL BELIEVE and Liz and Max's song is I SHALL BELIEVE? Do you think the writers thought that one out on purpose?

Why would Liz hook up Tess and Max if she still didn't trust Tess at all? She would have told FMax that Tess could ruin everything anyway, but she didn't.
Liz must trust Tess alot more now--don't know why--maybe because she was hunted by CW and Liz now figures that Tess is good afterall.
I wish we could have seen all of the characters' reactions to that event now. Especially, Liz.

MINNESOTAGIRLIE--yes I think they have been writing each ep from one character's POV. It is interesting! I can't wait till it all ties in together.

Czech Please--GOOD POINT--Liz will know more about the granulith now than any of the P.S.
I can't wait to see her take charge - Liz would be a great PROTECTOR for the "Royal Four". That could still tie in with the 5th element theory. Speaking of that here's another option:
NORTH,SOUTH,EAST,WEST, and CENTER(CORE)-CENTER BEING THE 5TH. HEY, THAT SOUNDS LIKE BALANCE TO ME!

Nighty-night,
SweetJo

We found Liz and she is just as amazing as before. Nice to have you back Liz, we missed you.

quote:

---

Originally posted by SweetJo:
RBI's,

Nermal--All the lyrics in I SHALL BELIEVE at the end of the ep did seem to suggest that Max and Liz will be together. And the lyrics pointed out Liz was very important. DOES ANYONE HAVE ALL THE LYRICS TO THIS SONG?

---

Jo--I just posted the lyrics as a new topic. And I agree, if that song doesn't give you hope that they'll be together, nothing will!

As I suspected the entire song fits the thinking that they will get back together. That song makes me get teary eyed.
"And lay your hands on me"-when he heals her and during the "reverse connection".
"I'm broken in two"-Max is her other half and they're separated.
"Never again would I turn away from you...And I do believe"-They come back together.
"That not everything is gonna be the way you think it ought to be"-their relationship may not seem like it will work now because of this but it still can (WILL) in the end.

SweetJo
I SHALL BELIEVE!!!!!

When FMax said Liz needed to change, maybe what he was saying is that Liz has been in the background. She has been unsure of her position (like Max, I might add) Maybe she needs to stand up and fight for what is hers....Max, her position in the group, her planet. This isn't coming out right but the general idea is there.

a) how SAD was that!?

b) I'm with whomever stated that they were cheering for FL and FM to save the world, yet screaming at PM and PL to "stay together". So torn on what the right thing to do with this one is!

c) FM mentioned "when T left, they weren't as strong", so that confirms that T IS the fourth podster, right? I mean, if she were from the second pod (that we really don't know anything about as of yet), then why would it matter if she left? Which means.. *gag*.. she was telling the truth about her and Max's Destiny!?!?

d) Why couldn't FM just go to T and talk her into "staying in Roswell"? Since.. he said that she elft and THAT's what made them weaker - they would have been as strong if she stayed nearby, right? She doesn't necessarily have to jump into bed with Max, does she!?!?!

e) And whomever commented on FL still being around even after Mike and Is died. What kind of powers had she developed? Or.. how could a "mere human" survive such a tragedy that even took its toll on the Pod Squad??

f) Did FM mention Maria? Or Alex? What happened to them in the future?

Okay I'm also wondering if Michael peeled Courtney's skin off, how did Nasedo not know that Congresswoman Whitaker was not a skin.

Remember is half

1)Tess did not go on a wild rampage and kill Michael and Isabel

2)Liz did not go back to the fortune teller at the end.

quote:

---

Originally posted by RoswellMoe:
We already know that two of the spoilers did not come true.

1)Tess did not go on a wild rampage and kill Michael and Isabel

2)Liz did not go back to the fortune teller at the end.

They said she was supposed to go back and the fortune teller told her that her future used to be so clear and now it's not... Maybe that happens duing the next episode...

---

If I were the pod squad and I found the place where the skins are harvesting, I would blow the place up.

Liz has to be half alien, because if she were just human in the future wouldn't she had been the first one to die. I stand still in my theory. Liz uses her powers in the future which is why she survived thus far, and Michael and Isabel didn't.

------------------
Applesaucer, Dreamgirl, R.B.I.

If I were the pod squad and I found the place where the skins are harvesting, I would blow the place up.

Liz has to be half alien, because if she were just human in the future wouldn't she had been the first one to die. I stand still in my theory. Liz uses her powers in the future which is why she survived thus far, and Michael and Isabel didn't.

------------------
Applesaucer, Dreamgirl, R.B.I.

quote:

---

Originally posted by LizParkerfan:
I think TicTac needs to come back. Or maybe TicTac has been in Roswell the whole time, and we just didn't know it. And I don't think that good ole Grandma is TicTac.

If I were the pod squad and I found the place where the skins are harvesting, I would blow the place up.

Liz has to be half alien, because if she were just human in the future wouldn't she had been the first one to die. I stand still in my theory. Liz uses her powers in the future which is why she survived thus far, and Michael and Isabel didn't.

---

I was wondering about Tic-Tac and his/her/its return. You don't think the writers just "wrote out" the tic-tac thing and that Masedo and Tic-Tac are the same things? Nooo. They wouldn't do that! Besides, in Sof47 we saw TWO little glowey things!

as much as i don't really want liz to be part alien, it is staring you right in the face. it's the logical reason. when max says that w/ tess, their power is strong. so.. you just need another alien power... help liz awaken that power within and have her join the 4. get tess out of the way. sorry... the dreamer self is talking.

Okay, Liz seeing flashes shows more than just a connection with Max. She had them with Nasedo in Max to the Max when she kissed him...remember? So it is not an alien power to give flashes in time of heightened emotion-it is Liz's power to pick them up. I am sort of forming a theory about why Nasedo saved Liz from the house of mirrors and then immediately kissed her- he had a good idea of who she was-but he wanted to make sure by seeing if she could distinguish between himself and the real Max. Because there has to be a reason she has these flashes...EOTW proved it..no other humans have the flashes only aliens...so Liz has to be part alien right? I know you guys have discussed all this before, but I am new here, so bear with me.

quote:

---

Originally posted by Destinyhater:

as much as i don't really want liz to be part alien, it is staring you right in the face. it's the logical reason. when max says that w/ tess, their power is strong. so.. you just need another alien power... help liz awaken that power within and have her join the 4. get tess out of the way. sorry... the dreamer self is talking.

---

So here's where I got confused. Did FM say that the "lack of 4" were what weakened the Pod Squad or that the "lack of T"? I mean, could ANY Alien (Liz) fill that fourth shoe and "make them complete"? Or did it have to be T because she was part of the original Pod Squad? In which case, Liz may or may not (I'm going with MAY) be part of the second Pod Squad, in which we have yet to see yet!?

quote:

---

Okay, Liz seeing flashes shows more than just a connection with Max. She had them with Nasedo in Max to the Max when she kissed him...remember? So it is not an alien power to give flashes in time of heightened emotion-it is Liz's power to pick them up. I am sort of forming a theory about why Nasedo saved Liz from the house of mirrors and then immediately kissed her- he had a good idea of who she was-but he wanted to make sure by seeing if she could distinguish between himself and the real Max. Because there has to be a reason she has these flashes...EOTW proved it..no other humans have the flashes only aliens...so Liz has to be part alien right? I know you guys have discussed all this before, but I am new here, so bear with me.

---

So, if only Aliens have flashes, which Aliens? Because Nasedo ddidn't get flashes did he? I mean, he didn't know CW was a skin and you'd think THAT would flash into you! And Mike didn't get that Courtney was a Skin from that *smooch*, but rather from the peeling effect.

So - which aliens get flashes?? We've definitely seen Max get them.. and Mike SAID he got one way back when, but we never REALLY saw it.. and I'm still in limbo about whether Is gets them. I mean, we've seen her "get a flash" while touching Grant's blood, but not while kissing Alex.

Maybe Skins can counteract flashes? Maybe they can someone make an alien NOT get a flash (which would explain Mike and Nasedo)? Or.. maybe Liz just needs to be kissing an alien that's REALLY in touch with their alien-side?? Since, if Liz is half alien (which I hope so), why didn't she get a flash with Kyle??

OH, I'm so confused!

c) FM mentioned "when T left, they weren't as strong", so that confirms that T IS the fourth podster, right? I mean, if she were from the second pod (that we really don't know anything about as of yet), then why would it matter if she left? Which means.. *gag*.. she was telling the truth about her and Max's Destiny!?!?

Maybe - but maybe not. Remember - in this episode Liz tells ALOT of lies to present day Max in order to save the world and change time. I dont think there is any reason to think that FM may have "had" to tell Liz that Tess was important in order to get her to change the future.
FM did not give much information about the future at all - and no really useful details.
One of the ONLY things do know is that he does not trust Tess.

What if FM came back not because he had to keep Tess around - but because he had to stop Max and Liz from making love at that point in time.
What if - making love "woke up" Liz's alien side? If she is the hidden queen or chosen one - it would be absolutely essential to keep that hidden as long as possible - especially until they have a sense of who their enemy is and what they are after.
Otherwise - why wouldnt FM have just gone back to a different moment to change time?
He could have stopped them from ever being together in the first place and saved Liz the heartache. I think maybe he was only trying to stop her true nature from being revealed too soon.

quote:

---

Originally posted by StarBox:

If you look back at Sexual Healing (which I just re-read) - it is pretty clear that something inside of Liz is waking up.
Here is one quote:
"It's February 20th. I'm Liz Parker, and lately I've been having these feelings, like I'm changing inside, and part of me doesn't want to change. Part of me always wants to be my mom's little girl. But the thing is, these feelings are strong...dangerous, undeniable. It's like I have no choice. It's like...chemical."
Liz starts glowing and running a fever and it really seems like she is on the verge of something huge. (Anyone ever watch the Tomorrow People - it remind me of what they called "breaking out") Also - in the transcript it says that when Max touches her glowing hickey in the girls locker room that MAX gets a flash of the army burying the transmitter. Which - would seem to suggest that that image is something from LIZ's buried past.

---

I've thought about SH and that whole Shirtless Max/Liz scene a ton. There are a few things that stuck out in the episode which you mention that completely lead me to believe Liz is more than what she thinks she is.

1) The quote at the beginning!
2) The fact that SHE GLOWS when Max touches her. Who do we know as "glowey"? What about those glowey aliens from Sof47!?
3) The fever she gets from the heavy make out session with Shirtless Max! (Of course, that's enough to give ANYONE a fever, but.. I digress ) Why hasn't she had that again? She's made out with him again.. why the "change in temperature" unless Max was literally awaking something inside?

I also thought that it was strange that Michael didn't get a flash yesterday. After all, she is also an alien even though she is a different kind...

You are right, it may in fact be Liz's gift to see the evil within.

Did anyone notice anything else about this episode? I have not been able to tape the eps. to rewatch them so I rely on all of you to analyze them for me.

I thought the your not changing comment was strange. At first I thought he meant your not changing who you are enough to make this work, but there had to be another meaning.

Well I am at work so I have to go... anyone else have more thoughts?

The ending of this episode did me in. The look PM gives Tess - (Scream) - and the "last" dance between Liz and FM - so intense, but carefree at the same time. How many of you thought the shooting star in the sky that Liz gazed into was FM's spirit leaving??

Okay - regardless of Liz's origins, we now know how important she is to the future of the aliens. The future does NOT turn out well, and she (with her future friend Serena - she's not a witch is she? ) obviously comes up with the plan to reverse the clock, and give Earth and humanity another chance, even if it ultimately means that she has to give up the love of her life!!

I took notes on this episode (though I probably have scenes memorized by now) - so Behr with me! The chemistry between Liz and Max and Liz and FM is SOOSOOOO incredible. I KNOW there is NO way TPTB will keep them apart permanently - it would be commercial suicide! (And since we all know that is their primary driving factor ...) Max and Tess just don't have it chemistry-wise. I know they are trying to make she character sympathetic, but .... (scream) - Maybe it is the bleached blond hair, but ... the whole Tess character was summed up when she tells Liz "she is not into bonding!" Yuck! (Okay - that is not why we are here - sorry - I told you to Behr with me ...)

Liz was forced by FM to come up with a plan - and after numerous attempts, finally comes up with one that works. This must have been torture (absolute and complete) for Liz! It makes me nauseous to just think about what she did. I remember stumbling on a former "friend" making out with another girl (long ago and far away), and to this day it makes me nauseous (yes, I did throw up at the time) - so that scene was painful to watch - even knowing she was faking it for a selfless purpose! Liz's character is amazing - to be able to pull this off!!

I loved how the humor was intertwined - help with the pain - and this just went further to connect Liz and Max (even if it was with FM)!

We now know that the Granolith - though altered to be used as a time travel machine - is very powerful and was NOT meant originally for time travel. SOOO - we still don't know it's purpose. I guess this leaves it open for the writers in the future. I wonder if Serena - another SMART women and future friend of Liz's - will show up during the season - or if she is a much future friend? I thought it was interesting that FM arrives with a flash of lightening - remember the lightening from Into the Woods?

FM's gray hair lets up know that the aliens age like humans, and (as someone already pointed out) we know they can have sex and not explode! I thought it was weird that FM has scars? I thought they could heal these!!

The conflict on Earth comes to a head in 14 years, but we don't know what occurs in the meantime - so many questions.

I DO NOT understand WHY FM could not let Liz in on more about the Future?? If she knew a couple of details, she could make a huge difference! Why waste that trip back in time without using it to tip the balance into your sides' favor! It looked like the EA had NOT found the Granolith yet. I tend to think the two shooters in the Pilot were NOT a FM and FMichael - even though that is a great theory - based on how Max described the use of the Granolith for time travel.

I now believe Tess is an original podster - based on the need for them to work as a unit due to their special gifts - BUT ... It is still a huge mystery to me why the podsters would have been sent to Earth with so little (or no) instructions on their mission and powers! It just doesn't make sense to me!! Seems inept from a planning for success point of view. And Liz - she definitely fits in there somehow - too many clues!!! Plus, with the little bit of information she does have, she in now invaluable to the podsters.

And again FM states "It's YOU I Trust! It's YOU I have Faith in!" This is an innate feeling that Max has for Liz and regardless of what he saw (her with Kyle) - it will eat at him until he finds out WHY she did that - he (once rationality returns) has to know that Liz sleeping with Kyle is TOTALLY out of character for her! Notice she would NOT let him touch her - for fear he would "SEE" something??? It is only a matter of time!

The entire eloping to Las Vegas seems so out of character for someone interested in studying Bio-Chem at Harvard. Plus, I have never like the Romeo and Juliet analogy since it is a Tragedy! So - like I said before with the "Sliding Doors" analogy - that path did not work, it is time to try another, and ultimately, it will work out. I like to think more along the lines of "Pride and Prejudice" - two people kept away from each other due to misunderstandings who ultimately find out there are perfectly matched!

I loved the entire confrontation about Liz not being ready to sleep with Max, etc. She is too young for this, and realizes it - but did in scenario 1 - now she has a chance to do it again - it will mean that much more when they do finally get together!! But I'm stating outright - if Max sleeps with Tess, I will STOP watching the show (and puck first)! If that is where the writers or storyline is headed, they will lose me FAST!!

I loved the scene between PM and Maria - she can sense his connection, and Maria will know something is wrong when she gets wind of what happened!! Max and Liz are soulmates, but Liz and Maria are "sisters" in the best sense of the word! I also laughed at the line about "America knows" Michael is not a great BF! (I realize this has nothing to do with Liz's connection to the alien mythology, but ...)

Interesting how painful it was for FM to watch the Kyle/Liz deception. I wondered if he had a flash of a new memory of seeing them in bed together?? It seemed like he did!

Interesting that Kyle did NOT see flashes (just dreams about Max naked )! Definitely a reason why Liz does - why??? I actually thought the exchange between Kyle and Liz was cute, and he obviously still has deep feelings for her. Thought it was interesting that they never touched each other, much less kiss. Liz will remain faithful regardless!

The ending did leave me with a glimmer of hope - FM's words about "We create our own destiny!" And the words of the song that played is completely relevant! "Not everything is going to be the way it ought to be ... won't give up on me ... you hold the key!" Will Max give up on Liz? I don't think so .... because we ALL KNOW SHE IS THE KEY!!!

Going - sorry soo long! Keep the Faith!!

Zero / (Okay - that's how I feel right now ...)

In the pilot, while Max was healing her, we only saw that Max had flashes. Liz didn't have any flashes until Max reversed the connection.

Zero, above, you suggest that FMax recieved a flash of the NEW memory of seeing Liz and Kyle in bed. Surely this cannot be the case, because this FMax's past is already set. When Max and Tess connect in the park, FMax ceases to exist, as a new future has been laid out. It will be the NEW FM that will have this memory. I hate this time travel stuff. How do you know what's what, what?

Now onto as an ,
My theories have all revolved around the 'essence' of Max's bride finding it's way into a human foetus. There have been a number of theories that matbe the Liz essence was 'born' around the time of the crash, suggesting that maybe it was Shiela Hubble. I have always dismissed these, believeing that the current Liz would not be the Liz that Max remembers.

But then I thought of the film Hook, with Robin Williams. In the film, Peter Pan left his childhood behind when he saw Wendy's granddaughter(?), whom he eventually married.
Suppose Max had a 'companion' that he loved dearly, but not in that way. When he sees the 'granddaughter' of this companion, he falls in love with her. Now all I have to do is work out how/why his 'companion' was on Earth.

I think Max did awaken something within her the day he healed her. I am not sure now if she part alien. Because wouldn't future Liz have been important as well to the aliens survival? Maybe she would still be there in the future, just not as Max's wife...

I am so glad that you brought up the song at the end of TEOTW. Clearly Liz is the key to the entire Royal Four's success. Max needs Liz to be the thinker for the group. Liz is Max's Number #1 advisor, and Maria is quickly becoming advisor #2. If Liz can foster a friendship from Tess, (gagging not allowed), then Max would treat Tess better just out of respect to Liz.

I am also glad that FM did come back to change the past. I don't think that Max/Liz were really ready to be physical with one another, and I am so sad over the extreme Liz had to go to to break Max's infactuation with Liz.

I am surprised that Max did not absorb her speech better. I thought she did an excellent job explaining why they shouldn't be together. And Max couldn't say anything to counter it.

I think Tess has given up on Destiny. She just wants to be recognized for the contribution she has given the pod squad. Which really is considerable, if you believe it all. I thought I was in poor character of Liz to offer her help to Tess without telling her what was going on with Future Max. If anyone would understand the request, I think Tess would.

Now, I am not for a Liz as alien theorist, but I thought I would point out to those that are, when Liz put the veil on her head, it looked like she had two antennas coming out. It really freaked me out.

I also have to say, that Shiri and Jason have so much chemistry together that its maddening. When Future Max says, "It's like I always said Liz, we create our own destinies." I absolutely melted. There seems to be a lot of hope for the couple.

BTW: I am really looking forward to the scene when Max confronts Kyle on the event he witnessed. I think Max will leave Liz alone for a while and let Liz go to him.

Something tells me that the future that will now unfold will be better for everyone, especially Liz. As much as I love them together, I have never liked the idea that Max would chuck his planet and his responsibilities for her, like he promised to do in "Ask Not." I don't expect that the writers will put them back together too soon, since it seems like they want to try to develop the characters as individuals now, not in terms of their parrtners. This would be a good thing.

(But I'm totally sure M/L get back together eventually!)

Good sleuthing. RM, I also found that statement to stand out. FM said: It's not just Max that's the problem. You are, you are not letting yourself change and you have to do something before it's too late. (God, I love closed captioning!) I kind of got the feeling that Max isn't necessarily the deciding factor to the problem, maybe it's Liz. It almost sounds like her latent abilities remain hidden longer because of their joining and this is where the problem lies. Maybe Max protected her too much (ie his comment about them being inseperable) and she needs to be exposed to some life-threatening situation to awaken her abilities, much like the aliens have seen their abilities grow because of the danger they've been in. Also, remember Max's comment about her seeming different in the premiere. Could the two be related?

About Max's look at the end of the eppy. I think he looked kind of suspicious, as if he found Tess's comforting presence in the park to be a little TOO convenient. Afterall, hadn't Liz just tried earlier to hook him and Tess up at the Crashdown? I'll be interested to see how he reacts to Liz in the next couple of eppys.

Some things I noticed, there is a stylized Horse drawing in Liz's room, yet another horse to add to your list. And the string of lights on her balcony are red lights. I didn't see any green or white lights like last year. Another giggle-she still has the picture of her, Maria and Alex on her dresser--the one Max changed in BD.

I had trouble accessing it with Netscape, but IE seems to work.
http://talk.thewb.com/read.php3?f=1&i=163634&t=163634

Thank you!

AYE, AYE, AYE, AYE, AYE Papi chulo

BOOHOO for Maxie & Maria.

and

Go Alex! you da man.

quote:

---

Originally posted by WR:
Zero, above, you suggest that FMax recieved a flash of the NEW memory of seeing Liz and Kyle in bed. Surely this cannot be the case, because this FMax's past is already set. When Max and Tess connect in the park, FMax ceases to exist, as a new future has been laid out. It will be the NEW FM that will have this memory. I hate this time travel stuff. How do you know what's what, what?
WR.

---

I'm not sure what is possible with time travel - but assuming that a few things are changed that DON'T change the ultimate outcome, than FM would still be there trying to make the important change necessary to make that ultimate change - and I'm assuming that the FM would somehow have those new memories until the ultimate catalyst occurs - in this cause the touch of Tess' hand on his shoulder. I assume this because after Max confronts Liz at CW office, FM yells at her "You are only making me love you more!" How would he know that unless he could get those new feelings??? SO, what are the "rules" of time travel???

Zero /

quote:

---

Originally posted by RoswellMoe:
I just keep thinking about FM's statement about Liz being with a human. If Liz was part alien, why would he make a statement like that?

---

If Liz truly is part alien, I'm not convinced that FM and FL knew it. It appears that her "powers" were not discover under this scenario. SO, if she is part alien, maybe the new course of events will allow her alien side to develop to its full potential and be discovered. Another reason for the change to have occured in TEOTW!

quote:

---

Originally posted by czech please:
Zero--I was thinking along the same lines as you about the elopement. What the heck happened to Harvard???!!! And with the sex element now introduced, it makes me wonder if something happened that made them have to get married so young. Hmmm...

Something tells me that the future that will now unfold will be better for everyone, especially Liz. As much as I love them together, I have never liked the idea that Max would chuck his planet and his responsibilities for her, like he promised to do in "Ask Not." I don't expect that the writers will put them back together too soon, since it seems like they want to try to develop the characters as individuals now, not in terms of their parrtners. This would be a good thing.

(But I'm totally sure M/L get back together eventually!)

---

CP - You made me think of something I (think) I forgot to mention (I know - hard to believe )! Each of the couples now has a new chance of reconciling at some future date due to the change in the course of events that Liz has brought about. So - not only has she impacted L/M and the future of Earth and humanity, but also the chances for M&M and I&A! Like Max says - the future is wide open now!

SweetJo

Bluecornmoon may have posted this elsewhere, but she sent an email to a group I belong to with a lose translation of the song Max sang.

Here goes.

3 days without seeing you, woman
3 days that I watch the dawn,
it's only 3 days that I loved you
and I got lost in your eyes,
3 days that I don't know of you
Where, where are you, with whom are you cheating on me?
Where, where are you, what are you doing?
Don't you know you are my substenance,
it's only by drinking that I've been able to console myself,
What are you doing?
Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay Your love is killing me
Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay What will I do my soul without your loving?
Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay Your love is killing me
ay, ay, ay, ay, ay What will I do if you, my soul, don't give me your
loving?

Well, last night I got off the plane and headed straight home. I sat down just in time to watch Roswell and it felt like I never got off that plane. The real plane had one of the smoothest landings I've ever experienced, but boy oh boy this ep was one h*ll of a ride. I had tears in my eyes when Liz said she wouldn't die for him and when FM and Liz started dancing I was actually bawling. My husband was handing me tissues and holding my tight. I never cry like that for shows. The last time I really cried was the first time I watched Steel Magnolias and that was like ten years ago. Wow, what a rollercoaster ride. I was in shock last night when it ended. This morning I watched it again and finally on the third time I could take a few notes. I was really upset last night. I tried to keep telling myself that these were just fictional characters, but , boy, that was powerful! Jason Katims is an astounding writer. And I finally felt like our characters were back. They all acted just like I expected with the h*llacious twists in plot. Yikes!

Well, a few thoughts on EotW:
1) I, also, noticed that the aliens must be aging normally with FM getting grey hairs. (That was such a cute scene.)

2) M/M/I/T make a unit. Each having specialized powers that when used in unison can save earth. Hmm.

3) I noticed the long scar on FM's shoulder. Why wouldn't he have healed it? Unless certain wounds from EA cannot be healed just like Nasedo's branding.

4) The shooting star as FM disappears.

5)The song playing during the wedding dance. Those lyrics sure do apply to alot of our theories and feelings.

6)That whole flash conversation between L & K was very enlightening.

The chemistry was just amazing between M/L-JB/SA. Those two just light up the screen. TPTB are fools if they are serious about separating them (which I really don't think will happen in the end). But I do side with Zero, I will stop watching if Max and Tess have sex. That would be the end for me. And I'm putting my foot down now on that subject.

I know there was a bunch of things you all said that I wanted to respond to, but now I can't remember and I really need to get some sleep since I have to get up really early to do some volunteer work. I just want to send you all a big hug after that heartwrenching and traumatic episode.
So here is a happy thought from the ep:

I hope I have time later to add the flashes. Was there really a new one? I'll have to check that out tomorrow sometime.
Pics for animation taken from one of Vidiot's promos.

Now Micheal>>> His flashes I thought were faked. I mean it was during the eposide Liz first started having them. Maria got word on them and all the other aliens and they wanted to see if they could see anything. Liz was seeing things from the crash. I thought Micheal just told Maria he saw stuff. Then later he told her he was lying.

The granolith requires a KEY. This doesn't really have anything to do with Liz...or does it?

When Liz insisted that time travel was impossible, I believe Max implied that she (Liz) with the help of Serena ("you'll meet her soon") had figured out a way to do it.

So is it Liz who is to uncover/discover the uses of the granolith. Is she important to the pod squad because of what her future self has to offer the world of science and physics?

1) The "we've got to get rid of her" from the pilot: It's always bothered me that even though the line is undeniably there, it's so easy to miss it, but at the same time so significant. I'm thinking we will see it again this season in a sort of flashback with that line more obvious. It will prove to be another attempt by time travelers to stop the unstopable: Max's love for Liz.

2) The scene where Liz asks Kyle about the flashes seems very significant. I am now thinking that when Max told Liz she HAD to look at him (to connect with him), it had more to do with his necessity to bond with his soulmate than to heal her. He thought she might die (like he later thought he couldn't help Liz say goodbye to GC), and so desperately NEEDED to connect with her.

P.S. Redhawk: I had ALMOST given up, but just like my hope that M/L will be together, I didn't give up completely.
This ep certainly gives a deeper meaning to the words of Ecclesiastes (also used in a Peace song from the 60's): "To everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose."