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s: Liz' importance to the Alien Mythology - thread #53 (Roswell (1))
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Posted 10-02-2001 04:57 AM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
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Ok peoples
u guys know the rules
no bashin
no spoilers
NO SPOILERS
I'll repeat that again
NO SPOILERS
respect each others opinions
And remember Liz isnt an alien she;s just spercial
want some info regardin liz to refresssssssshhhhhh ur memory about
her importance and to make new theories
TABLE OF CONTENTS
ok i dont know if these links are going to work so just behr with me
here
BACKGROUND
THESIS
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"When humans want rides they take Jetta's.
When tess want a ride she takes her tractor
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Posted 10-02-2001 05:11 AM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
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OK PEOPLES we we left off in thread #52
we were talkin about the EOTW timeline
And what the importance of Max' Baby
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"When humans want rides they take Jetta's.
When tess want a ride she takes her tractor
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Posted 10-02-2001 11:41 AM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
Thanks Queen A!
I think thread 52 may have already dropped off the board, but if
not, Mods, can you please link it to this one?
Anyway, to see where we left off, look here:
Thread 52
To see more, go to:
archives
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Posted 10-02-2001 11:45 AM (IP Logged)
healersbabe
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Schurry did this I thought it was soo cool I wanted to post it in
here
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Posted 10-02-2001 12:02 PM (IP Logged)
kla
New Fan
Hey all again. Just a quick thought after reading Mezz's ideas. I
have to agree in part. But something else occurred to me. Maybe what
FMax told PLiz about Tess being important to their survival was not
exactly the whole truth... FMax told her at one point that "she,
Liz" was part of the problem. She wasn't letting go and then he also
told her that going to Tess was not possible because "she, Liz" was
the one he trusted. Maybe in that future timeline the truth about
Tess being in league with Kivar had been discovered and that was the
real reason she was gone, but by then it was too late to win the
battle. Maybe FMax's real need was to create a rift between PMax and
PLiz that would put her on the trail to the truth about Tess, and
that's where the real trust came in. He knew she would never give
up. The pod squad would then know it was just the three of them and
that's all they can count on (powerwise). Don't know if that makes
sense.
It just always bugged me that Max felt that the only way to fix the
future was to go to this extreme and then he finished his dialogue
with PLiz by saying that no one knows what the future holds... I do
agree we can't know everything, but it sure would have made sense
for him to at least admit that he and Tess had to be together and,
not leave Liz with so much "hope", unless my scenario above is
correct and he full well knew that he and Tess would never be
together as long as his trusted Liz followed through to expose Tess
sooner rather than 15 years in the future.
Just some silly thoughts. I'm sure it is racked with holes. But,
thanks for listening.
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Posted 10-02-2001 02:54 PM (IP Logged)
Zero
Loyal Fan
Queen A - Thanks for starting the new Thread! Here is the Table of
Contents:
Welcome to the Table of Contents to the Introduction to the 53rd
Thread of the continuing discussion of "Liz's Importance to the
Alien Mythology."
The Introduction became so long, Shapeshifter graciously agreed to
host it on a website. Below is the Table of Contents to the Intro
with links! Hopefully, this will continue to make this Thread
accessible to everyone interested in Liz's Importance to the Alien
Mythology. The Intro includes summaries of all our past discussions,
so is well worth reading if you are NEW to our thread! The Intro
has been up-dated to reflect observations, clues, discussions and
theories through Departure and the end of Season 2. (All of which
have added to our belief in Liz's strength, the Hero's Journey she
is on and importance of Liz to the aliens - whether they know and
appreciate it or not!) The newly revised Intro has a few tweaks to
be made for "smiley faces" to be added, but all the "words" are
there! So, HAVE FUN reading the Intro, and hopefully, it will
refresh your memory about a specific topic or a specific date that
causes you to think up some new theory! The links make that much
easier! (THANK YOU Shapeshifter!) Major changes are "starred" for
ease of reading if you don't want to read the entire thing!
There is never a dull moment on this Thread! We appreciated the
refocus during the end of Season 2 on Liz's importance to the
storyline! (Thank you JK and RM! ) Even though Heart of Mine, Cry
Your Name, It's Too Late & It's Too Bad, Baby It's You, Off The Menu
and Departure (which I collectively refer to as the "Stepford Max"
Chronicles in the new Intro) had many inducing scenes, we were
provided tons of stuff to chat about and dissect! !! Plus - we have
seen so many newbies joining into the discussion this summer - which
is wonderful!
Feedback is always welcome! Just PM me.
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Background
Basic Thesis
Just a reminder - Our basic thesis is that LIZ IS AN IMPORTANT AND
ESSENTIAL ELEMENT TO THE ALIEN MYTHOLOGY!
What is Subject for Discussion?
Liz's importance to the Pod Squad - and the survival of the human
race for that matter - and theories concerning the beings -
especially Max - and mysteries swirling around Liz - are what we
discuss. So - feel free to join on in, or just lurk! And don't worry
about going off on a tangent - they ALL tend to lead back to Liz's
importance! (Especially lately!) We are an optimistic and friendly -
though seriously anal retentive - group! So - dive in, and join
the fun!! But remember - NO SPOILERS! We want everyone to feel
welcome!
Liz is Important - The Liz/Max Connection
Consequence of the Connection - the Change?
Origin of the Connection - Where is Liz from, really?
Granolith - How does it fit in?
Destiny - Liz and Max!
Follow Your Heart
Symbolism - WE Do Not Ignore Anything!
Chakras
Einstein's Light Cone
Chariots of Fire - Liz's Necklace in VLV
The "Bride" - will the real one please stand up!
The Books - WHY Doesn't anyone read these things?
The Catalyst - Liz!
Vision Quest - How does Liz fit in?
Time Travel - "Run, Lola, Run"
Hero Journey - Liz's Path
Grandma Claudia - the first connection?
Lifebonds vs. Soulmates
Sheila Hubble - Eerie resemblance to Liz! - What's the connection?
Venus - Liz's mythical connection to the stars!
Numbers - It all adds up to Liz and Max!
Cave Map Symbols - All signs lead to Liz?
Yin/Yang - Liz/Max
Skins - What lies below the surface?
Shapeshifters - Are there more than one?
Handholding - the symbol of the V constellation
Mythology!
Dates
Dates seem to be of extreme interest to those on this thread. So,
follow the link to a rundown of dates as I've been able to gather
them from episodes, official sites and factual research. If you find
a date I've missed or see one that is wrong - PM me with the change
and where you got your information! I'm always looking for new
dates!
In Summary
Finally, (I always have to add this - if anyone from the production
staff, crew or UPN reads this or the Intro), WE ALL AGREE THAT THE
LIZ/MAX CONNECTION IS CRITICAL TO THE SHOW, AND THAT TOGETHER MAX
AND LIZ MAKE AN INCREDIBLE FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH!! Even Ron
Moore stated in the commentary for Ask Not that the "Max and Liz
relationship is so strong and so central to the entire series!"
To have the opportunity for a Season 3 on UPN is WONDERFUL, and this
show has the potential to be another "X-files" with intimate
relationships IF done right!
A couple of general Thread "Rules" - NO SPOILERS (even asides about
spoilers are not allowed - I can't emphasize this enough as we move
towards the beginning of Season 3), but anything "aired" is subject
to discussion, including coming attractions/preview and things on
the Silverhandprint site. Pictures are welcome, as is deleted dialog
from Posted scripts of shows that have been aired and commentary by
writers/producers. If you know what a preview "really means" due to
spoilers, please DON'T tell us - let us speculate - we will find out
soon enough! And discussion of the new book "Loose Ends" is now okay
that Season 2 is over - though you might hold some stuff back for
those of us who still have to read it! Thanks!
As Alex - true and loyal friend to Liz whose life ended too soon -
said - "Gripa det dagen" (seize the day)! Liz found the TRUTH, and
will avenge his death! (Tess - beware - you have no idea what you
have released in the B*#@h!)
Zero
I Shall Believe!!
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Posted 10-02-2001 05:28 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
kla, your theory sounds sound.
It's interesting how the recent current events parallel the story
line of TEOTW.
I bet there's someone in the bowels of the Pentagon, or with the
NYFD, or a WTC engineer right now who wishes they could go back in
time and warn someone else.
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Posted 10-02-2001 06:45 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
could Fmax have been a shapshifter posing as max.....its happened
before why not do it again
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"When humans want rides they take Jetta's.
When tess want a ride she takes her tractor
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Posted 10-02-2001 07:11 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
i dont know if u guys have noticed this but in ARCC near the end
when the dad ghost goes into the house the no. of the house was 131
add them together u get yes u guessed it the magical no. 5
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"When humans want rides they take Jetta's.
When tess want a ride she takes her tractor
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Posted 10-02-2001 07:48 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by QueenAmidala01:
could Fmax have been a shapshifter posing as max.....its happened
before why not do it again
Well, Liz herself accused FM of being a shapeshifter. He then
proceeded to convince her and us otherwise. But then Liz only
realized Maxcedo wasn't Max when he kissed her, and FM never kissed
PLiz.
So I guess it's possible.
But then there's that really convincing opening scene.
BTW, I also thought TEOTW was a great ep.
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Posted 10-02-2001 08:39 PM (IP Logged)
Vihmakass
Dedicated Fan
what if :
FMax is FZan who is playing(not posesseing) Max - he thanks FLiz for
kisses and smiles but not saying - i love you - and FLiz she only
don't have any regrets and what is this what she supposed do regret.
In some reasons Real FMax is killed and replaced by Zan.
All story telled by Zan (Gomez) is FMax life.Maybe Liz told him how
it was.Bc of this is that weird look in FMax/Zan eyes when PLiz is
saying - there is not another you! There is another - but not
poweful enough to save world.
Why they need Tess around - bc Tess knows about Dupes and
repalaceing can't happen - she knows something is wrong and what.
She was dedected to Max and only to Max - not Zan.Liz dont have this
kind information - and she (in first timeline) was Marryed with
Zan.In this timeline they kill Max not Zan.
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just little spec.
sry.spell.,gram.
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Posted 10-03-2001 07:05 AM (IP Logged)
DreamerAtHeart
Dedicated Fan
Hi, All!
It's been a while and I haven't had a chance to read all of your
recent (amazing, I'm sure) theorizing.
I'm just checking in to see if anyone else saw the many promos for
Roswell during last night's Buffy premiere. Maybe they weren't "new"
to avid UPN watchers, but they were new to me.
If promos are considered spoilers, don't read any further and I
apologize. I think any aired promo is fair game for discussion on
this board, right?
In particular, one of the longer promos had Max saying something
like "That was before my son tried to contact me." The way they
edited the promo, it seemed to be in response to Isabel saying, "I
thought the plan was to say here on earth." My quotes may be off,
I'm trying to remember them.
So, according to this, there is a son.
Hmmmm....so I guess the Tex may have been real. I think I've come to
terms with that anyway over the summer. I guess, as long as Max and
Liz are together, I'll be happy.
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Posted 10-03-2001 09:08 AM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
DAH, sure sounds like it, unless:
It's Alex's baby.
It's Kyle's baby.
It's Kvar's baby.
It's a bogus communication
It's a cut scene
It's a promoSplice to mindwarp the audience
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Posted 10-03-2001 09:33 AM (IP Logged)
healersbabe
Loyal Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by Vihmakass:
what if :
FMax is FZan who is playing(not posesseing) Max - he thanks FLiz
for kisses and smiles but not saying - i love you - and FLiz she
only don't have any regrets and what is this what she supposed do
regret.
In some reasons Real FMax is killed and replaced by Zan.
All story telled by Zan (Gomez) is FMax life.Maybe Liz told him
how it was.Bc of this is that weird look in FMax/Zan eyes when
PLiz is saying - there is not another you! There is another - but
not poweful enough to save world.
Why they need Tess around - bc Tess knows about Dupes and
repalaceing can't happen - she knows something is wrong and what.
She was dedected to Max and only to Max - not Zan.Liz dont have
this kind information - and she (in first timeline) was Marryed
with Zan.In this timeline they kill Max not Zan.
I just have to say that post gave me such pleasure to read Vih
you're a genius!!! Its not Max its Zan ...Edited because I just had
to read it again
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"For a second thought you'd become the King I'd always wanted you to
be..."~ D'Artagnan
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Posted 10-03-2001 09:34 AM (IP Logged)
StephStephSteph
Obsessed Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by shapeshifter:
DAH, sure sounds like it, unless:
It's Alex's baby.
It's Kyle's baby.
It's Kvar's baby.
It's a bogus communication
It's a cut scene
It's a promoSplice to mindwarp the audience
That sure leaves a lot of openings. Now, I could see the "Kyle's
baby" thing, but I've seen so many people ask "What if it's Alex's?"
Why would you think that? Simply b/c of the Alex/Iz(Vilondar)/Khivar
tie?
As far as the promo quote goes.. it could be legit - it could not.
How many of us think the Mom-O-Gram is fake? And that sounded legit
- well, we don't need to debate THAT again, but I, for one, think
the Mom-O-Gram was a fake by my T herself. Couldn't this
"communication" be fake too?
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Steph
RBI~Dreamer~Behrian
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Posted 10-03-2001 11:17 AM (IP Logged)
StephStephSteph
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I just wanted to comment that I did a search on iwon.com for "UPN"
and it came back with "UPN: Network that airs Roswell".
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Steph
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Posted 10-03-2001 12:29 PM (IP Logged)
kla
New Fan
Hi to DreamerAtHeart and All,
Just wanted to say that the promos you mentioned during Buffy's
premier do seem to indicate a real baby thing. One thing I also
notice was that even though I had seen the promos at other times,
and on the net, seeing them over and over during Buffy gave me a
whole different feel for the new season. We all seemed to fall in
love with the show the first season when there was alot of angst and
feelings between the characters... the second season bombarded us
with way too much sci-fi and not enough feelings, (that we were all
craving)... and suddenly watching the promos it seemed to me that
season 3 looks way too "adult." I understand that the writers are
trying to make them a little older in their attitudes this season,
but for some reason it just seemed like a totally new show. I felt
like I was watching new people playing the characters I wanted to
see and they just didn't feel right. I'm hoping that after a full
episode I will get over this feeling. Just wondering if anyone else
thinks the promos seemed different? It's almost like the actors were
trying too hard to show how they feel about each other. Maybe it's
just me (I hope).
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Posted 10-03-2001 01:51 PM (IP Logged)
tabascoliz
Addicted Fan
i am pretty excited for the new season, too. it does look very new,
though!what about Fmax?
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But you and Max, ah. You guys have got that
whole...look-into-my-eyes soul mate thing.
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Posted 10-03-2001 03:15 PM (IP Logged)
Essence
Part-Time Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by shapeshifter:
DAH, sure sounds like it, unless:
It's Alex's baby.
It's Kyle's baby.
It's Kvar's baby.
It's a bogus communication
It's a cut scene
It's a promoSplice to mindwarp the audience
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10-03-2001).]
Good one! My personal favorite would be Kyle. I was so for the
lamp trimming!
Essence
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Posted 10-03-2001 03:23 PM (IP Logged)
Essence
Part-Time Fan
I, too, saw the promos during Buffy (actually I work Tuesday nights,
so I fast forwarded today to see the promos) and I felt it was
different too. Different from season one (unfortunately) and season
two, but I have to say that I am looking forward to the premier.
Looks like love, intrigue, action. A bunch of things that COULD be
good. And I have to say I don't mind them growing up a bit. After
the eye opening season two, I think they all would have to be a bit
changed. No going back to season one, so we can only hope that the
changes are good ones in terms of character development. (I know, a
bit optimistic, considering.)
BTW, did anyone else go DAH when Max said I found the ship, and
Isabel said "the spaceship?" What other ship would Max be talking
about, the Pacific Princess?
Essence
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Posted 10-03-2001 05:43 PM (IP Logged)
DreamerAtHeart
Dedicated Fan
Essence,
You have a very good point. We miss the emotion of Season 1, but
there really isn't any going back to it after all that has happened
since. I too am looking forward to S3 after watching the promos. It
looks exciting. We'll just have to wait and see.
Only a few more days . . . . .
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DreamerAtHeart
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Posted 10-03-2001 09:20 PM (IP Logged)
Reggie
Addicted Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by kla:
We all seemed to fall in love with the show the first season when
there was alot of angst and feelings between the characters... the
second season bombarded us with way too much sci-fi and not enough
feelings, (that we were all craving)... and suddenly watching the
promos it seemed to me that season 3 looks way too "adult." I
understand that the writers are trying to make them a little older
in their attitudes this season, but for some reason it just seemed
like a totally new show. I felt like I was watching new people
playing the characters I wanted to see and they just didn't feel
right.
I think you're absolutely right. Max was a prince of a fellow; Mr.
Wonderful. How did Liz put it? "The most honorable..." And Liz was a
Good Girl, if that's not too old-fashoned a term. Morally upright,
not just a virgin; someone one could trust completely. And smart,
and tough, and clear-thinking.
The "science fiction" of Season Two was appalling. Really: alien
elements? The Greenis? Flying Jellyfish? It's not just bad, it's
embarrassing. B-Movies, from the fifties, wouldn't be this bad. The
only good SF was in TEOTW, and I'm wondering if that wasn't an
accident.
Now, what? Neither of them are the characters we fell in love with,
and I'm wondering if the premise of the show has been changed as
well. Max said, "She's one of us.", and we saw FOUR-square signs in
the cave and the dreams. The bunch creatures had four pods each. So
the fourth podster...?
Well, like I said, say goodbye before you leave. Check out Farscape
on the way out.
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When I sent Tabasco, there were four podsters.
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Posted 10-03-2001 09:59 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by Reggie:
...The "science fiction" of Season Two was appalling. Really:
alien elements? The Greenis? Flying Jellyfish? It's not just bad,
it's embarrassing. B-Movies, from the fifties, wouldn't be this
bad. The only good SF was in TEOTW...[/B]
Well, I disagree (I have to find something to disagree about ) that
the 50s B's were any better--remember Mothra?
But yeah, Season 2 was embarrassing except for TEOTW and a few
others. But hey, it is just a television show.
And Reggie, thanks for the pics!
Got to get my beauty sleep for work tomorrow.
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Posted 10-04-2001 07:29 AM (IP Logged)
StephStephSteph
Obsessed Fan
Hi RBI
Although I'm nervous about this new "mature side" the Pod Squad
seems to have I think it's due. I'm torn because we saw SUCH a young
and innocent group in S1 and it quickly escualted at the end of S2.
Now? IT seems they're "a little older.. a little braver.." and
holding up convenient stores!?
Let's just hope they don't go WAY over board with this maturity
thing. I certainly understand that there has to be a bit of growing
up, but I don't want this to turn into the next 90210 - Alien Style.
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Steph
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Posted 10-04-2001 10:52 AM (IP Logged)
kla
New Fan
GraceKel -- Have to agree that season 2 would not have made the
passionate Fan
s that have been so willing to fight for this show.
Also, it seems a little late now to bring the parents into this.
They weren't around enough when they should have been and now we are
going to make the kids grow up and be more adult, and yet go back to
the parents telling them what to do... Just seems a little
backwards.
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Posted 10-04-2001 10:57 AM (IP Logged)
roswell_queen
Part-Time Fan
Ok I haven't been here for so long it is pathetic!! BUT I wanted to
comment on the whole new season thing. As with every tv show and
real life people change. Season 1 was all about innocence, and
angst, and relationships. S2 was all about sci-fi, and they all
stepped a little further than past innocent than they did first
season (BTW I have mixed feelings about S2). Season 3 looks like
they have gone way farther and personally I am looking forward to
it. Maybe this new mature attitude will attract some new viewers and
help keep Roswell on the air. Besides how many of you acted the
exact same way you Sophmore year of High School as you did your
Senior year of High School?? I know I sure DIDN'T!!
Shpaeshifter I thought it was so funny that you mentioned Mothra I
jsut read a Dave Barry article where he mentioned it!!!
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Posted 10-04-2001 01:11 PM (IP Logged)
Zero
Loyal Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by GraceKel:
Shapeshifter--just have to throw my two cents in here--season2 WAS
just a television show I agree, nothing special, but season1 was
MORE THAN THAT-don't you agree? If season2 had been Roswell's
first season I never would have tuned in or I might have tuned in
but I know I wouldn't have attached myself to such a show as was
season2 LOL!!!
Got to agree with you on this GraceKel! Season 1 totally hooked me,
and I (as you all know who have frequented this thread) saw so much
potential!! Then Season 2 came along, and while I continued to see
potential, I was frequently let down my the writing and CHADS AND
failure to develop the potential. I still enjoy the show, but I too
would not have been hooked if Season 2 had come first. Also - those
of you on this Thread have had a lot to do with my continued
interest in the show. I'm looking forward to the new season, but
I'm analyzed out with respect to Seasons 1&2 until I see where we
are goin in Season 3! (Though I'm still filled with opinions and
observations - I'm just holding back!) I taped Buffy since I had
meetings that night, and watched the Roswell ads yesterday. Must say
they are interesting. Since I'm a bit spoiled for the first 3
episodes, I kind of get what is happening, but not totally - and
there are a couple of comments - like "my son tried to contact me"
that leave me cold! I realize these are ads trying to attract the
UPN viewers to watch - so I don't put a lot of credence in them, but
if they do represent the new "tone" of the show - if done right - it
could be a lot of fun - if done wrong - well ... Reggie - don't
worry I will say "goodbye" !
(BTW - I'm catching up on Farscape every night at 8 - made it though
all of Season 1 as of last night! (Thank godness for VCRs!) What a
great show! (I love John and Aaryn, and would get a kick out of
dressing like Chianna for Halloween!) BUT I've promised my husband I
will not "chat" about it on-line - and this doesn't count !) I'm
hooked!
Okay - Less than a week to go - got the tapes ready - now hoping
TPTB delivers!!
Zero
I Shall Believe!
Fan
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Posted 10-04-2001 01:21 PM (IP Logged)
avaSpeaks
Crazy Fan
Personally, I look forward to the new Season...every show has a bad
year or so, and the next Season can redeem itself, perfect example
is Buffy...I mean after Riley left and some of the loopholes, Buffy
finished off way stronger than she began her 4th and 5th Season.
So, I will give Season 3 of Roswell that chance as well...since it
seems like Lady Liz will be in the forefront...and I don't want
Season 1 Liz
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"Yeah, and your an evil bitch"
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Posted 10-04-2001 02:19 PM (IP Logged)
aldebaran
Addicted Fan
Hello, all! I haven't been here in ages, but I wanted to jump in
with regard to the general apprehension regarding S3 ads and such. I
am among the many who just fell in love with the show during S1 and
was less than satisfied with S2. During the summer, I tried to
maintain as much interest as I could in the show, but that all but
waned when watching the promos during this week's Buffy. I had a
hard time trying not to roll my eyes while watching them!
Did anyone else read the full page blurb in TV Guide about Roswell?
I was particularly disturbed by the quote from Laura Burns (one of
the new writers) - "I've always loved the combination of sci-fi and
soap opera, like Star Trek meets Party of Five."
Insert 90210 for Po5, and you have my worst nightmare for Roswell. I
never once thought of Roswell as a soap opera before. Did any of
you?
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Posted 10-04-2001 07:03 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
i always thought that roswell was half soap opera, half sci fi
hybrid
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"When humans want rides they take Jetta's.
When tess want a ride she takes her tractor
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Posted 10-04-2001 09:20 PM (IP Logged)
LizRose
Part-Time Fan
Quote from the Introduction:
"The "Holy Grail" was meant to be found by a man (or woman) with a
pure heart who would use it to feed the hungry and heal the sick,
and with it would bring peace and happiness to the land. So whose
heart is the purest in Roswell? Could it be Liz? Could Liz be the
Granolith?" -Zero
Okay I have some support for this theory. I think that Liz could
indeed be the TRUE Granolith. When Nicholas was trying to 'mind
rape' Max in "Wipe Out" Max conveyed images of LIZ when Nicholas was
looking in his mind. So, was this just a coincidence? Perhaps not. I
just wanted to share that! Carry on, I love reading all your
speculations and posts. Have a great day.
Love n Roswell,
Liz Rose
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Your Name
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Posted 10-04-2001 10:17 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by LizRose:
Okay I have some support for this theory. I think that Liz could
indeed be the TRUE Granolith. When Nicholas was trying to 'mind
rape' Max in "Wipe Out" Max conveyed images of LIZ when Nicholas
was looking in his mind. So, was this just a coincidence? Perhaps
not. I just wanted to share that! Carry on, I love reading all
your speculations and posts. Have a great day.
Love n Roswell,
Liz Rose
Even in.......(excuse me i havent seen some of the roswell season 1
episodes in a long time)i think it was the first couple of epis when
tess arrived and max and tess are in the street its raining and they
kiss...Max gets an image of himself coming out of the pod and next
to him a picture of liz appears
i always wondered why liz was in that image, cos it wasnt liz giving
him the flashes but tess
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Posted 10-04-2001 10:21 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
what if sheila hubble was the original granolith and nesado killed
her to protect the granolith ever getting into the hands of kivar
what if Liz is then the reincarnation of that gronolith...and max
only awoken this granolith when he healed her
And the granolith in the podchamber is just a decoy......so when
tess goes back kivar will discover its not the one his lookin for
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Posted 10-04-2001 10:30 PM (IP Logged)
LizRose
Part-Time Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by QueenAmidala01:
what if sheila hubble was the original granolith and nesado killed
her to protect the granolith ever getting into the hands of kivar
what if Liz is then the reincarnation of that gronolith...and max
only awoken this granolith when he healed her
And the granolith in the podchamber is just a decoy......so when
tess goes back kivar will discover its not the one his lookin for
HMMM! very interesting points! That Shelia Hubble post really was
cool, Incarnation in Liz... classic! With those ideas one could
write a really interesting 'Roswell' episode!
~Liz Rose~
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Your Name
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Posted 10-04-2001 11:30 PM (IP Logged)
Lady_Lee
Part-Time Fan
Liz has always proven herself important in the Alien Mythology.
Didn't Nascedo say that all their powers were because they were
human? Does that mean that they did not have these powers on Antar?
If so then when Max told Liz that she made him human is very
significatnt. It shows that she may be very important to the
development of Max's powers. Tess always said that she knew what she
could do but it scared her when she tapped into something
"different" in Wipe Out. That means she really doesn't know her
powers. Maybe because she never developed a human side with her
being with Nascedo since she hatched out of the Pods, she couldn't
really grasp her powers. Who knows just how powerful she could have
been if she had a human side. Same thing with M/M, whenever Maria's
encouraging and there, Michael's powers are more controlled. That
time at Atherton's house showed us that. Same with Isabel and Alex.
But Liz could be considered more important because she has this
effect on a King. I did not see Max's powers improve after TEOTW.
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Posted 10-04-2001 11:42 PM (IP Logged)
LizRose
Part-Time Fan
My 51st post! YAY, wanted it to be on this thread, cuz its my
favorite lurking thread!
Loves n Roswell,
~Liz Rose~
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Your Name
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Posted 10-05-2001 01:08 AM (IP Logged)
tabascoliz
Addicted Fan
what are we talking about?
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But you and Max, ah. You guys have got that
whole...look-into-my-eyes soul mate thing.
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Posted 10-05-2001 07:26 AM (IP Logged)
DreamerAtHeart
Dedicated Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by Lady_Lee:
Liz has always proven herself important in the Alien Mythology.
Didn't Nascedo say that all their powers were because they were
human? Does that mean that they did not have these powers on
Antar?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Superman only have powers
on earth since he was from another planet? I mean, from what I
rememher, he wouldn't have been "super" if was on his home planet.
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Posted 10-05-2001 08:58 AM (IP Logged)
tabascoliz
Addicted Fan
tsup? actually, zan also doesnt have powers on antar, these are just
his gifts for earth. they are the same as us, they have weapons,
except highly advanced ones.
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But you and Max, ah. You guys have got that
whole...look-into-my-eyes soul mate thing.
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Posted 10-05-2001 11:02 AM (IP Logged)
Zero
Loyal Fan
AvaSpeaks - ITA that we have to give Season 3 a chance. With all the
things I can find wrong with Season 2, there were some wonderful
moments, and I loved watching Liz on her "quest" for the truth in
the "Stepford Max Chronicles." It was the only thing that made
watching the Max/Tess stuff behrable. So - I will be there, tape in
place, ready to watch!
Aldebaran - Welcome back! !! I have not read the TV Guide article
(have a link to it??), but I have always hoped that they would NOT
go the way of a soup opera/90210. I was hoping that this show would
go the way of a young "X-files" with an alien twist! How great would
that be - but the writing quality and continuity have never been
there consistently. But I still have hope! Though I don't go to the
spoiler board right now - I guess they would call me a Pollyanna, w/
_________ tendencies (can't remember all the names!
Liz Rose - wouldn't that be so cool, if somehow it turned out the
single use space ship was NOT the Granolith, and somehow Grandma
Claudia passed something on to Liz - who is the Granolith/Holly
Grail/savior of the world! And we could easily see a tie in of the
Sheila Hubble storyline connected to Liz, and then the healing
igniting the dorment qualities in Liz that Max subconsciously "saw"
in her when he first saw her while getting off the bus in 1st/2nd
grade!! Okay - I'm speculating again, and said I wouldn't until the
new season starts!
Okay - this made me think of something that is said in the last
episode of Farscape's season 1 (which I just saw). If you don't
watch Farscape this will make no sense, but in the episode John
Criton comments to Crais (bad guy Peacekeeper) that "don't you think
it is odd that we are so much alike, do you truly believe it is just
an acident?" (Not a direct quote, but that is the jist of it.) and
it made me wonder about these two beings from completely different
species, that are so much alike - while it ties directly into my
wonder what the Antarian's truly look like and their origins (or
human's origins) - especially given the V symbol only makes sense
from our (Earth's) POV. Okay - enough!!
Zero
I Shall Believe!
Fan
!
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Posted 10-05-2001 12:59 PM (IP Logged)
tabascoliz
Addicted Fan
everyone here are dreamers, right?
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But you and Max, ah. You guys have got that
whole...look-into-my-eyes soul mate thing.
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Posted 10-05-2001 02:37 PM (IP Logged)
Zero
Loyal Fan
TabascoLiz - I would guess that most who frequent this Thread are
Dreamers, but more than anything, we are all huge Liz Fan
s! Of
course, the "dream" was a bit damaged by going ons in Season 2 and
the Stepford Max Chronicles! We will see where Season 3 takes us,
and hopefully, the damage is artfully repaired!
Zero
I Shall Believe!
Fan
!
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Posted 10-05-2001 05:41 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by tabascoliz:
tsup? actually, zan also doesnt have powers on antar, these are
just his gifts for earth. they are the same as us, they have
weapons, except highly advanced ones.
Hopefully someone will see what I'm thinking here and how this
relates (it's been a looong week):
quote:
from the Gospel of Mark 6:4
But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in
his own country, among his own relatives, and in his own house."
Editing my post to add:
I have only seen the most recent promos in about 2-inch square
downloads. Is Max melting an object with his hand? And are he & Liz
flying through the sky?
Also, Queen A, I loved the intro. It was soo appropriate.
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Posted 10-05-2001 06:34 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
what zan didnt have powers on antar........what about nesado and the
other dude...tic tac.......they had powers
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Posted 10-05-2001 07:58 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by aldebaran:
...Did anyone else read the full page blurb in TV Guide about
Roswell? I was particularly disturbed by the quote from Laura
Burns (one of the new writers) - "I've always loved the
combination of sci-fi and soap opera, like Star Trek meets Party
of Five."...
Well, I recall way back in the Good Ol' Days of the first half of
Season One folks would say, "Roswell? I heard it was Dawson's Creed
meets X-files."
A more heartening quote, though, from the same article is: "...says
Katims...'We went too far with the sci-fi last season...our hope is
that when viewers tune in for the first time they'll be hooked."
That sounds more like First Half of Season One, now doesn't it?
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Posted 10-05-2001 09:40 PM (IP Logged)
Reggie
Addicted Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by shapeshifter:
A more heartening quote, though, from the same article is:
"...says Katims...'We went too far with the sci-fi last
season...our hope is that when viewers tune in for the first time
they'll be hooked." That sounds more like First Half of Season
One, now doesn't it?
These guys wouldn't know sci-fi if it slagged them with its
death-ray eyes. What they went too far with is the unbelievability
factor: in any fiction, there's the "suspension of disbelief". You
agree not to disbelieve in starships, giant atomic-powered flying
reptiles, etc.
But JKrew went too far in S2: the plots were blots, the science was
fiction, and the characters were uncharacteristic. The same article
(and other things ) suggests that S3 will be even less believable.
The only people who might enjoy this are the CHADDs: we'll have
plenty to talk about, I fear. No? OK, was that Liz, doing a
striptease? Who was that brandishing a gun ?!? Is this what we fell
in love with, in S1?
Alas, poor Roswell... I knew it well.
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Posted 10-05-2001 10:04 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by shapeshifter:
[B]
Also, Queen A, I loved the intro. It was soo appropriate.
B]
thnaks
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Posted 10-05-2001 10:52 PM (IP Logged)
peej
New Fan
hi
I would have to disagree with the comments that max and Liz are not
the same as whom we fell in love with in season 1. As for the
striptease I think that max and Liz had done everything except sex,
clearly they had gone far enough for Liz to even consider having sex
in sexual healing. They are older now and can have more fun with
this I don't think that its a change in character. There is nothing
better than feeling comfortable with someone, that you can be able
to do that (striptease in a fun way). As for the gun this is the
same Liz who would have done anything to help max and do whatever it
takes. We have all seen that plenty of times through out season 1
and 2 why would that be any different now. Drastic but I believe
that they would never harm anyone. I think that this is just an
evolution of 2 characters. As for it seaming in the promos that
everything is fine between they, yes a lot has happened and the
truth is "there is no problem that enough love wont concur" even the
sex and suposed baby I'm thinking that this season will be great and
hopefully find the magic again of max and Liz.
Lets hope for more Liz mythology. Fingers crossed
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Posted 10-05-2001 11:05 PM (IP Logged)
Mavonne
Obsessed Fan
Hello. It's very early in the morning and I should be but I like
this thread and just want to post something although I don't have
anything "fresh" to say.
I have a comment about EOTW. It bothers me that FMax didn't just
tell PLiz to tell PMax what the problem was: that if Tess left the
Four, there would be dire consequences. Why not have PLiz and PMax
work together to solve this problem? Perhaps Alex wouldn't have
died. And if Alex Whitman dying isn't the End of the World, I can't
imagine what else could be worse (except the demise of Liz ( )or Max
(although Stepford Max can go. ) So I really wish Max and Liz had
had their sweet Vegas wedding with all their living friends there
-including ALEX. See, when you change the present to avoid an
'unpleasant' future there's no guarantee that the change will make
the future any better.
Gun moll Liz? Well, she's cute as usual but besides that, I'm
willing to give season 3 an chance. Clean slate for Roswell! After
the hodge-podge stew of season 2, what choice do we have besides not
to watch at all? I'm still a Fan
. I will watch. Closely.
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Posted 10-06-2001 12:25 AM (IP Logged)
Lady_Lee
Part-Time Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by DreamerAtHeart:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Superman only have
powers on earth since he was from another planet? I mean, from
what I rememher, he wouldn't have been "super" if was on his home
planet.
I think you're right. Superman would not have had his powers on his
home planet either. So these powers wouldn't exist on their home
planet. But we're talking about Liz here. So sorry for the change in
subject.
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Posted 10-06-2001 12:26 AM (IP Logged)
Lady_Lee
Part-Time Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by DreamerAtHeart:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Superman only have
powers on earth since he was from another planet? I mean, from
what I rememher, he wouldn't have been "super" if was on his home
planet.
Sorry my computer messed up and I
Posted the same message twice.
Forget about this post
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Posted 10-06-2001 06:29 AM (IP Logged)
mezz
Part-Time Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by Mavonne:
I have a comment about EOTW. It bothers me that FMax didn't just
tell PLiz to tell PMax what the problem was: that if Tess left the
Four, there would be dire consequences. Why not have PLiz and PMax
work together to solve this problem? Perhaps Alex wouldn't have
died. And if Alex Whitman dying isn't the End of the World, I
can't imagine what else could be worse (except the demise of Liz (
)or Max (although Stepford Max can go. ) So I really wish Max and
Liz had had their sweet Vegas wedding with all their living
friends there -including ALEX. See, when you change the present to
avoid an 'unpleasant' future there's no guarantee that the change
will make the future any better.
It does seem annoying to us as the viewers. The fairy-tale part of
it is that Max loved Liz so much. But... FMax and FLiz had obviously
discussed it and agreed that PMax wouldn't listen to reason. They
after all must know themselves and what they were like.
Max has a dilemma; he knows that his love (obsession pretty much) of
Liz puts him out of balance (as he stated in The Balance episode)
and yet he can't stop himself yearning for her - physically or
emotionally or intellectually. Liz reveals his past to him and
awakens his true self and his soul too so that is another dilemma.
I groaned with all others when he said to Liz on her balcony that he
had to take a step back. I had never seen this action as anything
but annoying before. "Just take the girl in your arms and love her",
I cried. But perhaps at that time Max actually was at his sanest.
What I hear you say. But Max fell apart without Liz only when the
trust was gone not just because they weren't lovers.
So often in stories love is beautiful but bordering on the
dangerous. We like to think of all the good that M and L's love will
and has brought but perhaps it is dangerous if it comes too soon.
I don't believe that Max would have had the maturity to accept Tess
while she so openly discarded and disregarded Liz's place. She was
constantly playing the guilt card and I think Max just couldn't have
dealt with the confusion and balancing the two women he needs.
(Controversial statement but hey ) I think that he would be man
enough in the future but not at that time. We can only be who we are
now. We cannot be what we are not yet. Perhaps FLiz and FMax were
wise enough to realise this looking back. After all many of us do
have this determination to believe in their almost unhuman wisdom
and strength.(And no, I'm not accusing I tip my head as one who
looks for heroes too )
Someone mentioned somewhere on this thread ages ago that maybe there
had been several tries at the Liz/Max match. Once Max didn't heal
Liz and the connection wasn't made, once when they joined too soon
and now when hopefully they will do it at the right speed. People
doing things according to prophecies or destinies as such sometimes
have to make certain steps at exact times or things go terribly
wrong. Perhaps the importance of timetable has a play here too and
the flip side is that the pull between M and L is almost too strong
to be safe but at the same time necessary or important things and
events won't happen at all. Ah the thin line they walk between
victory and death.
Again the question - Did FMax and FLiz know that Tess was bad? And
they would probably have made the decision never having experienced
how destructive it was for Max to lose Liz's trust.
Does this make any sence at all? I can feel my temples beginning to
throb just trying to work it out as I write it down. It perhaps
doesn't help you at all, just makes you hold your aching head in
both hands and groan. Life is never simple. Especially when you
start dealing with parallel worlds.
edited to add (and make this even longer - sorry) that if you then
add to my thoughts what kla said then all this becomes even more
interesting. It's hard to think of M and L sacrificing alex though
but then perhaps they didn't know that would be the outcome.
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Posted 10-06-2001 10:48 AM (IP Logged)
Mavonne
Obsessed Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by mezz:
It does seem annoying to us as the viewers. The fairy-tale part of
it is that Max loved Liz so much. But... FMax and FLiz had
obviously discussed it and agreed that PMax wouldn't listen to
reason. They after all must know themselves and what they were
like.
So often in stories love is beautiful but bordering on the
dangerous. We like to think of all the good that M and L's love
will and has brought but perhaps it is dangerous if it comes too
soon.
I don't believe that Max would have had the maturity to accept
Tess while she so openly discarded and disregarded Liz's place.
She was constantly playing the guilt card and I think Max just
couldn't have dealt with the confusion and balancing the two women
he needs. (Controversial statement but hey ) I think that he
would be man enough in the future but not at that time. We can
only be who we are now. We cannot be what we are not yet. Perhaps
FLiz and FMax were wise enough to realise this looking back. After
all many of us do have this determination to believe in their
almost unhuman wisdom and strength.(And no, I'm not accusing I tip
my head as one who looks for heroes too )
mezz, I wish you weren't making sense, but you are. I still want
to stubbornly hold on to the idea that PMax and PLiz would have had
what it took to somehow keep Tess with them without breaking up.
However, you can't change the way another person thinks and feels
easily or maybe not at all - meaning Tess would have to have been
willing to except Max and Liz as couple and willing to become a
trustworthy member of the group. It's very strange that we go from
the Tess of ARCC and VLV to the revelation in Departure that her
'friendliness' was all a lie, that she always intended to deliver
the Podsters to their enemy. But the whole Tess storyline is subject
to a lot of speculation and different interpretations and then we'd
have to speculate even more (is that possible??) about Nacedo/Edsedo
and/or Tic Tac.
But I digress somewhat. Quoting from TEOTW :
"FUTURE MAX: I won't leave you.
FUTURE LIZ: No, no, no. Max, you have to.
FUTURE MAX: If I'm successful, if I can do this, you and I won't
exist. Not as we do now.
FUTURE LIZ: Max, if you don't do this, we're gonna die. Everyone
will. Max, you have to do this. You have to try it.
FUTURE MAX: I'll never see you again.
FUTURE MAX: Thank you.
FUTURE LIZ: For what?
FUTURE MAX: For every kiss, every smile.
FUTURE LIZ: Max, I don't have any regrets. "
I guess I should consider the fact that FLiz was actually the one to
urge FMax to do what he did. Liz, the author and catalyst and
discoverer of everything! Am I exaggerating? I'm thinking that FLiz
insisted on this drastic course under the duress of the terrible
situation and it seems characteristic of her to make huge sacrifices
for the sake of others - the needs of the many outweighing the needs
of the one (or two in this case). I'd rather have the story go my
way, so I say "Fooey!" I prefer the together-forever-no-matter-what
scenario. I mean, isn't everyone going to die eventually anyway,
Liz?? But I realize it's the principle of the thing.
I feel like the sci-fi marred my favorite romance - unnecessarily.
Blah.
I'm lighting my hope candle for M/L...
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Posted 10-06-2001 05:53 PM (IP Logged)
nermal
Addicted Fan
Nice candle.
Glows like the humans in the opening credits.
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Posted 10-06-2001 07:42 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
mavonne & mezz, awesome dialogue!
Since FLiz & FMax's goal was to prevent everyone from dying, maybe
we should consider Alex's death to be fallout from PM's and PL's
inability to totally separate? Not that I think they shouldn't be
together!!
And really, I think Alex's death was not originally intended to be
part of the plot (I'm reading No Good Deed now, which has Alex still
alive, and since this book and Loose Ends are legitimate spinoffs, I
think the authors were originally told Alex would still be in the
picture.)
Then there's the comment (I think Katims in the TV Guide article?)
that S3 is a chance to start over.
This could mean that the Chadds will have to layer their Chads:
those that are Chads only against S1 & S2, and those that are Chads
for all 3.
BTW, Reg, eloquent post on the last page (even if I don't always
agree ).
And RBI question: Does anyone know what happened to The Cutting Room
Floor that used to be at www.roswellscripts.com ?
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Posted 10-06-2001 10:09 PM (IP Logged)
Nemo
Loyal Fan
A few weeks ago (I think), someone pointed out how a character
string in "alien script" could be viewed as a transliteration of the
corresponding word in English. Now we have more examples, in the S3
opening credits
Posted at vidiot's site.
The actors' names for M/M/I are shown first in alien script, then
English. So is the name of the show. This many known examples might
give us half the alphabet, if someone wants to work it out. (Or
maybe someone has already?) Then we could reconsider the symbols on
Brody's alien device (for example), to see if it makes any more
sense.
Another curious thing about the photo sequence in the S3 credits:
There's a contrast between the aliens and the humans, in that the
aliens, having two names, get two pictures each, one with each name;
whereas the humans get only one picture each. The exception is Liz,
who also gets pictured twice. Hmmm.
[Note added next day:]
Scratch that observation about the aliens and Liz -- the data were a
misleading subset. Crashdown.com now has a more complete set of
images, apparently showing more equal time per character.
[ 10-07-2001: Message edited by: Nemo ]
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Posted 10-07-2001 03:37 PM (IP Logged)
Zero
Loyal Fan
Okay - this got me ages to finally find the Thread, and I still
can't get the first to pages open - but ... Maybe after a while I
will like all the new "stuff."
I just read an article (quite lengthy) in our Sunday paper TV guide
on Roswell. But came away very disappointed since Liz was mentioned
once, and the entire focus of the article was the "changes" coming
to the show AND the new, mature Isabel. Now I like the Isabel
character (most of the time), but ... I don't want to be negative,
but I was so disappointed in the article, that I've pulled out my
Felicity tapes to watch to get ready for that show's new season (in
which I hope Noel and Felicity finally get together! But that's for
another board - where I rarely feel welcome since it is very
FAB-centric, but fortunately, I have lots of friends who watch that
show and agree with me! :grin: ).
I do plan to watch Departure one time before the season starts, and
I was listening to Lifehouse while cleaning bathrooms, and had to
write out the lyrics for the song that played when Max said his
"goodbyes" to Liz. Regardless of what happens in Season 3 - I
thought you would all enjoy them:
Everything
Find me here
Speak to me
I want to feel you
I need to hear you
You are the light
That is leading me
To the place where
I find peace again
You are the strength
That keeps me walking
You are the hope
That keeps me trusting
You are the Life to my soul
You are my purpose
You are everything
And how can I
Stand here with you
And not be moved by you
Would you tell me
How Could it be
Any better than this
You calm the storms
You give me rest
You hold me in your hands
You still my heart
And you take my breath away
Would you take me in
'cause you're all I want
You are all I need
You are everything
Everything
Okay - off to real life - Welcome to all the newbies that have been
joining us!
Zero :grin:
I Shall Believe!
Fan
!
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Posted 10-07-2001 10:00 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by Nemo:
A few weeks ago (I think), someone pointed out how a character
string in "alien script" could be viewed as a transliteration of
the corresponding word in English. Now we have more examples, in
the S3 opening credits
Posted at vidiot's site.
The actors' names for M/M/I are shown first in alien script, then
English. So is the name of the show. This many known examples
might give us half the alphabet, if someone wants to work it out.
(Or maybe someone has already?) Then we could reconsider the
symbols on Brody's alien device (for example), to see if it makes
any more sense...
Hey Nemo
Hmmm...I should be sleeping, but just to get this RBI ball
rolling...
If this:
means "Roswell" as in:
then there are 2 symbols to make a double el. Also, the symbol that
looks like a granolith blasting off (triangle with lines in the "E"
position), is a mirror image to the one from the cave map symbols:
code:
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Posted 10-08-2001 12:32 AM (IP Logged)
mezz
Part-Time Fan
I heard that The Cutting Room Floor was closed down. Bummer ay. You
spend hours looking for stuff and just as you relax and start to
enjoy the fruits of your labour the site gets taken down or changed
and all the stuff you were going to read and enjoy at leisure gets
sucked into the abyss. I loved that site.
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Posted 10-08-2001 02:21 AM (IP Logged)
elenac
Dedicated Fan
So, no Tess in the books. Unless, considering how much the authors
have picked up from them (much more than they are willing to admit),
Tess represents in the series a blend within the collective
consciousness and Cameron, who made the deal and then betrayed the
pod squad.
The CC sucked in Max's soul and body for quite a considerable part
of the books, like Tess did with Max in the series. Clearly it was
quite difficult to represent in the show how the CC took possess of
Max and have him lying on a bed, completely absent, for such a long
time.
Yet turning this into a wife! Even if from a former life! A wife,
like a husband, has "exclusive rights (and duties)" on the partner
(meaning the love relationship); this is what we swear when we
marry. This doesn't sound like a very good idea in respect of Max
and Liz's relationship that, both in the books and S1, were the
center of the story.
And now, if we have to give credit to the promos, they are going to
be back together as if nothing happened? Bah!
Elena.
[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: elenac ]
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Posted 10-08-2001 04:39 AM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
elenac, ITA with your post. I am interested to see how this is
worked out.
With everything going on in New York and Afghanistan, I am thinking
of the sorrow Liz felt (and we felt with her) in TEOTW was a
metaphor for the sorrow of the real destruction of a world. If there
was complete devastation of much of the earth's surface it would be
even more sad. I think of the Book of Revelation that describes the
sky being "rolled back as a scroll" and how very sad it would be if
nuclear holocaust disturbed the gravitational pull of the earth on
its atmosphere causing it to fly off into space like a piece of lint
into a vacuum cleaner.
The title for the ep TEOTW makes me wonder if this was JK's intent:
to depict the great sorrow through Liz. In TEOTW Max & Liz made
tough decisions--does Liz now regret them?
[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: shapeshifter ]
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Posted 10-08-2001 10:12 PM (IP Logged)
DreamerAtHeart
Dedicated Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by Lady_Lee
:
I think you're right. Superman would not have had his powers on
his home planet either. So these powers wouldn't exist on their
home planet. But we're talking about Liz here.
So my next question is: If Liz was to go to Antar with Max, would
she be the one with the powers there?
23 hours to go! (Not that I'm counting . . . )
[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: DreamerAtHeart ]
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Posted 10-09-2001 03:10 AM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by DreamerAtHeart:
So my next question is: If Liz was to go to Antar with Max, would
she be the one with the powers there?
23 hours to go! (Not that I'm counting . . . )
[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: DreamerAtHeart ]
ok then if they couldnt use there powers on antar what is on the
planets serface or atmosphere that prevents them from using their
powers
nesado and tic tac had powers.....why would the podsters need human
powers
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When tess want a ride she takes her tractor
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Posted 10-09-2001 07:11 AM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
Wow, I'm actually in. Let's see if this works.
Queen A--
Zero's fav theory might answer this: that the humans and Antarians
share common ancestors.
Also, Nasedo said something about their powers just being 'highly
evolved' human powers.
So, if it's an evolution deal, then the atmosphere, gravitation,
etc. of Antar could have something to do with the functionality of
special and ordinary powers (i.e. breathing). This could explain too
Max's son's problems with earth's atmosphere if, somehow, he was
more antarian than earthling.
K.
Back to work. Hope to check in after it airs in Chicago. Those lucky
duck Canucks have already seen it!
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Posted 10-09-2001 07:50 AM (IP Logged)
elenac
Dedicated Fan
[QUOTE]Originally
Posted by shapeshifter:
how very sad it would be if nuclear holocaust .... [QUOTE]
Few years back when we were in the middle of the Iraqui crisis, I
went through these same fears. They are now back again and what I
strongly hope is that somehow a solution will be found to avoid any
dramatic event. Unfortunately what happened in NY was apocalyptical
but what lacks here, with respect to the apocalypse, is the final
reason for it, the good that prevails on the evil. Or at least this
is what my mind was ever able to develop. It was man's hatred that
did that.
[QUOTE]In TEOTW Max & Liz made tough decisions--does Liz now regret
them? [QUOTE]
Liz probably regretted her decision endlessly, considering that it
wasn't her free choice but was forced into it, hence her
impossibility to let go of Max completely.
But the sad part of it all is that, with Tess leaving with the
spaceship, it seems it wasn't worth it.
Guys, enjoy tonight's show. Ciao. Elena.
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Posted 10-09-2001 07:28 PM (IP Logged)
Etoiline
Part-Time Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by Lady_Lee
:
Liz has always proven herself important in the Alien Mythology.
Didn't Nascedo say that all their powers were because they were
human? Does that mean that they did not have these powers on
Antar? If so then when Max told Liz that she made him human is
very significatnt. It shows that she may be very important to the
development of Max's powers. Tess always said that she knew what
she could do but it scared her when she tapped into something
"different" in Wipe Out. That means she really doesn't know her
powers. Maybe because she never developed a human side with her
being with Nascedo since she hatched out of the Pods, she couldn't
really grasp her powers. Who knows just how powerful she could
have been if she had a human side. . . But Liz could be considered
more important because she has this effect on a King. I did not
see Max's powers improve after TEOTW.
Wow. Really interesting. Wouldn't it be great if the writers looked
at this thread and used some of our ideas?
(shameless self-promotion: read my Fan
fic here and see if this could
work)
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aspire to the stars
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Posted 10-09-2001 08:36 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
Wow. I'm in again. This weird. Almost like posting in a vacuum.
Elena, Your post gives me hope.
Below is QFan
ny's take on tonight's ep:
quote:
My impression:
BUSTED
"Max finds a giant pie plate"
I can't even begin to say how much I enjoyed this
first episode of Roswell on UPN. I really didn't know
what to expect, even though I am quite spoiled. It
seems like you could go straight from Destiny to
Busted and not even think about Season Three. As I
heard earlier tonight, Season Two was the season of
chads. Hopefully, UPN can keep this momentium going.
First thing I noticed is the new credits. Now, I
loved the old credits! And I miss window shots of Max
and Liz in front of the Crashdown Cafe. But I also
like the new credits. Let's just say, I wasn't
displeased.
Liz- Seems to be growing more as a character. Liz is
once again a risk taker. I will bet you anything she
planned the whole, "Let's get the diamond" scenerio.
I liked her rebelling a bit. Ready to fight to be
with her soulmate. And of course, I admired Liz when
she told Max she wasn't going to leave her jail cell.
Max- Had to be Max's plan that got them in trouble.
The guys' heart is in the right place wanting to do
what's right. I won't go so far as to say it was
honor as Liz did to Sean. (BTW - did he disappear
with the Valenti's?" But he realizes that he made a
baby with the alien that can't be mentioned. Yes, I
to wish it could have all been a mindwarp. But I
never liked an easy way out. If Liz can overcome
Max's mistakes and still support him as a character,
then she has grown. (I guess eating it in mustard did
help.)
Isabel - Nice wig!
Mr. Seligman - Kudo's for being funny.
Did my ears deceive me??? Was that TicTac music I
heard when the stranger at Sam's encountered
Michael???
COULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE WATCHED PREVIOUS
EPISODES????
Maria - Brings Pie from the Giant Pie Plate to Liz.
Mr Evans- Have you grown a clue.
Jesse- Way to make partner in Senoir Evan's law firm.
Now, here's the big question?? How did Max and Mr
Evans identify the substance so quickly? Isn't Max
the guy that didn't know what a parasite was???
Okay, okay.
Will try to get to the threads in the wee hours of the
morning.
BTW - How many hits do you think alloy.com is going to
have????
>From Nebraska
QFan
ny!
I am still wondering why they didn't use another way to distract the
convenience store clerk.
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Posted 10-09-2001 08:49 PM (IP Logged)
4everyoung
Dedicated Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by Lady_Lee
:
Liz has always proven herself important in the Alien Mythology.
Didn't Nascedo say that all their powers were because they were
human? Does that mean that they did not have these powers on
Antar? If so then when Max told Liz that she made him human is
very significatnt. It shows that she may be very important to the
development of Max's powers. Tess always said that she knew what
she could do but it scared her when she tapped into something
"different" in Wipe Out. That means she really doesn't know her
powers. Maybe because she never developed a human side with her
being with Nascedo since she hatched out of the Pods, she couldn't
really grasp her powers. Who knows just how powerful she could
have been if she had a human side. Same thing with M/M, whenever
Maria's encouraging and there, Michael's powers are more
controlled. That time at Atherton's house showed us that. Same
with Isabel and Alex. But Liz could be considered more important
because she has this effect on a King. I did not see Max's powers
improve after TEOTW.
Nesedo told them that their powers were those of a highly evolved
human, like about three thousand years into the future human.
However, I think they did have powers on Antar, but it is possible
that their powers back there were considered every day things you do
to live. Tess had stated that Nesedo had taught her to use her
powers, and I think she knew very well what she could do. I believe
that in WO she tapped into Nic's powers or he tapped into her's and
tada - fireball. Or she wasn't telling the truth about it scaring
her and was perfectly aware of what she did.
There is the theory that the whole thing with Alex was orchestrated
by Nic. Many believe that Tess did not have the power to do all that
MWing and that she had to have help. We may never know.
Yes, you are right about Max not developing his powers after TEOTW,
could be because he became stepford Max. That could also be
attributed to Mwing, but again we MNK. It will be interesting to see
if he develops new powers in S3. If any of the others dvelop new
powers or if Liz or Kyle develop powers.
It will also be interesting to see if any loose ends are tied up.
(that would be a lot of knots)
Anyway, great posts everyone and it is great to be back. Got my
puter back and the boards have changed and they are oh so slow.
Here's to S3 and lots of new ideas.
I believe in you....................................
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Posted 10-09-2001 09:53 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
Okay, one last post. Liz is important because she is the first one
to say the name of Antar out loud on the show.
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Posted 10-09-2001 10:24 PM (IP Logged)
DreamerAtHeart
Dedicated Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by shapeshifter:
Liz is important because she is the first one to say the name of
Antar out loud on the show.
I nearly jumped off the couch when I heard her say "Antar." They
finally said it!
Overall, I'm very happy. I like the way they intermingled flashbacks
and current events. It was a nice way to transition past the 3
months. I also like the new credits and how they did "Previously on
Roswell . . ." after the first commercial break.
Everyone looks good. Of course, this episode was focused on Max and
Liz. I'm eager to see how the other characters have grown.
Unfortuately, I don't think we're going to get to see a "Hey, Max,
by the way, your future-self visited me a few months ago and that's
why I fake-slept with Kyle" conversation. Maybe they'll bring it up
later.
Also, it looks like Max and Liz still haven't "cemented" yet. A
moment to share with us Dreamers. Although, I'm sure there's going
to be plenty of Dreamer-angst as Max and Liz are kept apart. At
least we know they're committed to each other and want to be
together.
Liz is awesome! It's great to see her strong again.
Okay, I may be able to get some sleep now that I got my initial
thoughts out. Thanks for listening fellow RBI.
Roswell is Back! Yippie!
P.S. Watching with commericals was hard. I got so spoiled this
summer watching my tapes with (1) no commercials and (2) instant
gratification in being able to immediately watch the next episode
(except for Departure, of course).
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Posted 10-10-2001 06:45 AM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
Hey Nemo, i know you're out there somewhere. What's your take (or
anyone else's who can get in here) on the significance of Liz in
pink instead of red?
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Posted 10-10-2001 07:04 AM (IP Logged)
aldebaran
Addicted Fan
Am I the only one who wasn't completely thrilled with this ep, or am
I just one of a few who could even get on the boards today to
comment? I just had a hard time imagining being able to so quickly
forgive my soulmate for impregnating an evil alien, let alone
conspiring to steal a diamond and hold up a convenience store. I
think it would have been more believable - and would have shown a
truly stronger Liz - if she had held off his romantic overtures
while also helping him with his alien quest. Let's start with being
friends first rather than skinny-dipping walking hormones. Nevermind
how completely rude and obnoxious Liz was to her parents! Where did
that come from? I love Liz as much as the next person, but her
behavior was very reminiscent of a bratty child rather than a young
woman. It certainly didn't paint a sympathetic character either.
Where's the sweet, smart, level-headed queen that we know and love?
I hope she comes back and soon!
And was anyone else wondering how the podsters explained away Bob's
mysterious disappearance??
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Posted 10-10-2001 07:56 AM (IP Logged)
StephStephSteph
Obsessed Fan
Hello Hello!
I LOVED it! Yep, I'm with QFan
ny in that I had NO clue what to
expect last night when I arrived home after volleyball to watch
Taped-Busted. I loved it!
I loved the way they transitioned between 3 months ago to now. I
loved the new looks. I loved the maturity, but not TOO much maturity
aspect. I'm still not sure about the whole "search for my baby"
thing, but.. we'll see how that goes.
Also - I like the input of the subtleties with the strange guy with
the gun and Mikey G, as well as the FBI agent. The use of music in
the background was FABULOUS!
Needless to say, I'm pleased.. of course, would have liked SCENES,
but what can ya do?
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RBI~Dreamer~Behrian
*Behrian Boogie Diva*
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Posted 10-10-2001 11:09 AM (IP Logged)
4everyoung
Dedicated Fan
Hi everyone
I also like this ep. for the most part. Mostly I was just happy to
have Roswell back. I think they did a good job of catching us up on
the last three months activities, but there were some things that
still didn't get resolved. One major one is FMax and fake sleeping
with Kyle. The Max before stepford Max would have pointed out Liz's
inconsistancy of being upset with him for sleeping with Tess after
he caught her with Kyle. That conversation should bring up FMax. But
they still could do that (don't hold your breath anyone)
As for Liz's reactions to her parents, I think that falls in line
with being a teenager. Many teens rebel against their parents at
this age especially when it comes to the one they love. Liz has
always seemed to be somewhat independent.
I wasn't sure about the new Is relationship, didn't really get a
feeling of chenmistry there. But we shall see.
I am just glad Roswell is back.
I belive in you.....................................
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Posted 10-10-2001 09:00 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
First of all, anyone reading this should know that it took over an
hour of intermittent trying to get in here to post.
Okay, class, I took notes.
The 'otherworldly, yellow light' was still glowing when Max & Liz
took off from the convenience store. Maybe the space ship took off
when Max activated it with the diamond key? Maybe Junior will come
home on his own and Liz & Max will elope and raise a 3-foot tall,
green son?
And Nemo, why "yellow" light? Remember, QFan
ny, the theory about the
yellow light being evil, blue being good?
Also, the letter from Nasedo tells Tess that the Diamond (which Max
tells Isabel is the key to the spaceship) is the only way to
communicate with their home planet.
Liz saves Max from drowning.
Maria drives into Utah in her Jetta and parks by the
reserved-for-handicapped sign. Anyone else flash on "aliens take
spaceships; humans take Jettas"? :grin:
When Max is talking to Michael (demanding the diamond) there is a
"no vacancy" sign glowing slightly closer to Michael that I think
signifies that he has no vacancies in his life with Maria.
And, finally: When Liz' parents come to spring her from jail and
forbid her from seeing Max again, the camera catches the "no
smoking" sign behind the bars so that it reads: "No mo king." Nemo,
surely your wife must have caught that one!
Aldebaran, I disagree with much of your post only because I just
barely survived the antics of my A-student daughter's last year in
high school which was really no different than what her A-student
mother did at the same age, and neither of which were very different
than what Liz did.
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Posted 10-10-2001 09:40 PM (IP Logged)
Nemo
Loyal Fan
Friends, thanks for thinking about me, but I've barely seen the show
once, and don't have much to say yet. (Also for me too it's hard to
get in here even to read, except maybe late at night in the Pacific
Zone...)
Thanks for the observations about signs and colors -- I hadn't got
that far yet. You guys are good. I may take a vacation now.
[ 10-11-2001: Message edited by: Nemo ]
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Posted 10-10-2001 09:48 PM (IP Logged)
GraceKel
Crazy Fan
Hey Shapeshifter--did you notice the SS on the front of the new Max
mobile????hmmmm---and when Liz says "where are we going?" and Max
says "its a surprise?"--now where have I heard that before?M2TM???
And Liz on the lap kissing Max--just like in M2TM? Can't help it
just things I noticed. Can't help but wonder is this Max? In the
present day he was looking more and more tired, circles under the
eyes, like something was wrong with him. Is this a form of CC? Is it
mindwarping? Is this Max? It appears that something is up.
I know they used the different lighting to separate past from
present but that lighting was very harsh and not very complimentary
to them so I didn't care for it.
And this is the first episode of Roswell that I didn't care for the
MUSIC?????
Well I will back later with more LOL
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Posted 10-10-2001 09:49 PM (IP Logged)
healersbabe
Loyal Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by aldebaran:
I just had a hard time imagining being able to so quickly forgive
my soulmate for impregnating an evil alien, let alone conspiring
to steal a diamond and hold up a convenience store. [b] I think it
would have been more believable - and would have shown a truly
stronger Liz - if she had held off his romantic overtures while
also helping him with his alien quest. Let's start with being
friends first rather than skinny-dipping walking hormones...
ROTFL... I was actually thinking "Liz shut the heck up" when she
was about to tell him not to take his shirt off . You know just
because someone who is 3% body fat %1IQ it doesn't mean that they
lack human basic internal pheromone instincts ( --I'm blaiming it on
them!! Thats right its allllll their fault )to let hormones run
loose a tiny bit :grin:. I think even those NASA men must have some
sexuality to them so I don't see anything wrong with that change.
The gun thing is just like the irony of ironies though. If you ever
wondered if she lost her mind she definately has turned into this
"woman-MelGibsoninLethalWeapon-Charlie Angelish Liz ". I was
laughing so hard I bet she just wanted to take her chances to find
Tess and ask her to repeat who the REAL'b*tch' was . I can picture
it "Tess...what was that you did to my best friend you double
crossing good for nothing rabbit!! That still makes me flame !! WHO
is that you think you wanna get back together with?...*punch*"
...Such a meany!! BUt *cough* moving on...thats just probably
showing that she would do anything for her man. I think its a bit
over the top but oh well. If I had gone thru something like she did
I'd probably be ready to go into a nice little hotel... . OH
yessss. Can anyone think of something we can make up to theorize
Jason's stripping techniques so we can post loads of those
screencaps to stare at in search of clues for hours ?!?
NO?...*sniffle*,...anyone... ?
quote:
Nevermind how completely rude and obnoxious Liz was to her
parents! Where did that come from? I love Liz as much as the next
person, but her behavior was very reminiscent of a bratty child
rather than a young woman. It certainly didn't paint a sympathetic
character either. Where's the sweet, smart, level-headed queen
that we know and love? I hope she comes back and soon!
OMG...you seriously never talked to your parents like that?!?
!!"Level headed"....hehehe thats a long ways to go I think . I think
Liz is about to start developing a bit of a you've done nothing for
me to respect you therefore I won't attitude . Shame on her!! ME
thinkeths perhaps its just a little venting relief to make her feel
a bit in somewhat a delusional being able to control her own. Thats
about 90% of my own conversation with my folks too . I thought it
was really funny. Its not like she works for them or they apparently
don't care too much. Tell you though if I had been jailed they would
have left me there . As if they lived with her all those years they
would know that she'd never do anything to harm Max. I am really
happy that she is indesputably loyal to the people she loves. Can
you imagine she hasn't really even mourned Alex properly so I don't
think its right but I can understand why she'd be a tad edgy...Max
deserves soo much more than Tess anyways. Liz should become a
Buddist nun. Or a ninja or something ! Ala Buffster ...and kick
Isabel's butt for falling in love that quickly again ...yeah I'm not
even going to try to go there ...soooooo wrong. Isabel is mega
delusional. But if we ever had a doubt if she IS MAx's
sister...lemme tell you I think that prooved it ...
quote:
And was anyone else wondering how the podsters explained away
Bob's mysterious disappearance??
Ohhhhh! Excellent chad reminder
I loved that "I wanna make your dreams come true" that was very,
very smooth I was like omg...*melting*. Why can't boys be like that?
.
RE: POWERS
I think you're right Liz might be the one with powers if she went to
antar although I still think she can do things on her own just
doesn't show them. Her instincts rule. I wish I had instincts that
on target !
So you guys think that FMax was Zan not Max right ?!? I'd take Zan
then over Max atleast this one talks
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Thomas/Matchbox20
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Posted 10-10-2001 10:02 PM (IP Logged)
Reggie
Addicted Fan
Mission: Implausible
OK, count me among those spoiled, and still sickened by this
episode. Where to start?
Liz: Is she really interested in this so-and-so, who was bullying
her? Who slept with someone, without "protection", even though he's
still in High School? Arrogant, irresponsible, ...words fail me.
Almost: I could use some "not air quality" language, but not in
front of tender ears (mine ). She's now a juvenile delinquent, not
the Liz we thought was Special. One question: is that the way to get
a girl's clothes off? No wonder I haven't been having much
success...
Max: Stepford Max, to the max.
Isabel: Is-a-bot. With Jesse, she looked warm, sweet, and cuddly...
like an anvil. The Dupe 'do looked better on Lonnie, not the robot.
Sheesh...
Michael: Useful, but couldn't it have waited until AFTER school?
It's not like M&L were going anywhere...
Maria: Who? Oh, the pie girl.
The show: We're told of the vast sums of money poured into each
episode. So, they couldn't afford color film? Or a set decorator
that didn't want to add more stuff to each set? Or a camera tripod?
Plot: Oh, I could just scream. Fortunately, now that Kivar (remember
him?) has a Time Machine, he can just go back a few years, kill the
podsters, and put the show out of our misery.
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Roswell is not Roswell
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Posted 10-10-2001 10:26 PM (IP Logged)
healersbabe
Loyal Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by Reggie:
Plot: (...) Fortunately, now that Kivar (remember him?) has a Time
Machine, he can just go back a few years, kill the podsters, and
put the show out of our misery.
Reggie...come here for a second ...
spank:
Shame on you !! I your sigline though...its AWESOME !!
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Thomas/Matchbox20
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Posted 10-11-2001 02:51 AM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
i wathed we are family yesters
and im surprizred that liz didnt remember what max said about leanna
because alex metioned it
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When tess want a ride she takes her tractor
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Posted 10-11-2001 06:44 AM (IP Logged)
Alexis
Addicted Fan
Shapeshifter-- I had to laugh when I read your post about Liz
saying Antar out loud. I have to say I was shocked it was even
mentioned since it hadn't been the entire season. You would've
though Max would've asked the Dupes the name! :grin:
aldy-[I]you know[/b] that ITA with you! We are pretty much on the
same wave length with this. I felt both Liz and Max were out of
character for the majority of the show! Liz's brain still works-she
didn't mention distracting the clerk instead of holding the store
up-but her back bone is missing because Max says "I need more time"
and she responds "okay." I don't think so! Wasn't Liz the one that,
when she saw that Max wasn't thinking straight (and in my opinion it
was a mindwarp even if the writers don't want to use that storyline)
she goes off and does the right thing without him! Why? Because she
was right!
The biggest thing was the chemistry that we all love so much
wasn't really there! I mean there was such a difference between the
Sexual Healing make out sessions (remember "I'm glowing on the
inside. My toes, my heart.") and these "Stealing the diamond was so
exciting"! They were just two horn dogs! And most importantly that
is NOT Liz.
I do think that characters need to grow, but it should be a gradual
process. None of this overnight stuff. Yes, kids do go through
rebellious stages, but even though the show should be someone
realistic in it's characterizations and storylines, you should still
be able to recognize the core of the characters. Even Max asks "Do I
know you?" of Liz.
Kudos to you, Reggie for your comments. I hope Liz sees that they
need to be smarter about their "research" excursions. That would be
more like her character.
Overall, I think that JK has let gold slip through his fingers! I
think this all can be saved but they need to do it soon!
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Posted 10-11-2001 06:47 AM (IP Logged)
Melodious1
Addicted Fan
I didn't watch BUSTED... I probably will never watch BUSTED... but
one thing that's been haunting me ever since this "Royal Four"
ridiculousness ensued last season has come slapping me in the face
all over again post-BUSTED reactions, reviews, synopses, etc....
quote:
From HARVEST:
COURTNEY: The short version...is that our planet was on the brink
of a golden age, and then it all fell apart. You were the one who
could have united our planet, pulled together the warring
factions, brought peace. But you weren't on the throne.
MICHAEL: Max.
Well Jesus, Mary and Joseph.... If Antar was on the verge of a
golden age but that fell apart because of Max aka Zan... why the
HELL did they recreate Zan in the first place? Why didn't they
recreate his FATHER... (I realize this is presumptuous, but looking
at the current king's qualities, I wouldn't doubt any form of Max -
as well as the other "royals" - could destroy an entire kingdom )
who was one of the main contributors of this "golden age"? Or Zan's
grandfather even? Hell, we've got this ambiguous essence jargon in
this storyline, why didn't they just take the most favorable
qualities of any/all of the great alien leaders of the past, stick
them in new hybrids and WHAM... you've got the Antar All-Stars. Why
were THESE four morons given a second chance?? I suppose it's like
how many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a
tootsie pop... THE WORLD MAY NEVER KNOW!! Blah.
Max has proved abundantly time and time again that he isn't "leader"
material. If anyone was at the forefront of this Spawn quest it was
Liz (why she took him back in the first place, I have no friggin'
clue, I'd say let EOTW stand and leave his sorry a$$ alone to search
for his ill-begotten spawn... and I have to give a big ITA to
Reggie, for once you and I agree completely on something ).
I say... let Liz go run off with Kivar (who was smart enough once
over to rid us of the Royal menace - granted, probably didn't take
much... perhaps if we're lucky he'll bless us again??) and rule
Antar. At least the place will have a fighting chance with Liz in
the leader-chair.
Melodious
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Posted 10-11-2001 07:04 AM (IP Logged)
GraceKel
Crazy Fan
Aldebaran, Alexis, Reggie, I somewhat agree with you, Roswell for me
has become like this nightmarish accident that I shouldn't be
looking at but I can't stop LOL!!! Alexis--letting gold slip through
his fingers--ITA!!! In season1 I use to call Jason Katims a
genius--he doesn't want to hear what I have been calling him lately
LOL!!!
As for characters being OUT OF CHARACTER--I do agree, thats why I
look for clues to tell me that maybe things aren't what they seem,
it seems there should be some deeper explanation for this--it could
be I am just in denial though and can't truly admit that Jason
Katims does not have a grander vision somewhere that will all come
together someday LOL!!!
How many REINVENTIONS does this show have to SURVIVE anyway? And the
MUSIC was totally working, one of the few things that was STILL
WORKING last season and they even changed this---WHY??????
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Posted 10-11-2001 07:22 AM (IP Logged)
aldebaran
Addicted Fan
shapeshifter, healersbabe, I am not trying to be argumentative, but
when I was a teen, there were very very very few times that I ever
spoke to or treated my parents in the manner that Liz did! I might
have with my mom because she was the "softy", and if I did, my dad
wasn't there to hear it. I would never have spoken like that to my
dad, and I can't stress the "never" enough! I don't think it is too
unrealistic to imagine a teen at least being put in her place for
just being downright bitchy to her parents. Heck, I was the queen of
the dirty looks to my parents, but for as many dirty looks as I
gave, I certainly got scolded, reprimanded, slapped, whatever for
them. Now that the parents have finally been substantially written
into the show, at least give them some backbone. Long story short -
going from two seasons of respectful, sweet, smart Liz to rude,
obnoxious, bratty Liz practically overnight was a bit much in my
book.
Reggie, AMEN to your assessment of Liz! That was all I was trying to
say, too!
Alexis, "out of character" pretty much sums it up
Melodious, LOVED your post!
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Posted 10-11-2001 08:57 AM (IP Logged)
GraceKel
Crazy Fan
Hey where is ZERO is she still in shock or something lol????
Okay I don't know why but a couple of other things I noticed-----the
store clerk mentioning this otherworldly yellow light----isn't this
the light that Nasedo uses? Also wasn't Mr Creey Ed's/Nasedo's job
having something to do with STORAGE FACILITIES? And here we have a
storage facility.
Also noticed that guy that shot at Michael and warned him to tell
Max to stop digging into what he is digging into---as he walked
away--the camera panned on Michael----behind Michael--we saw the
letters ED?????
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Posted 10-11-2001 10:51 AM (IP Logged)
Zero
Loyal Fan
OMG!! I FINALLY GOT ON - and now I have no time to chat!!
Okay - real quick:
Welcome to ALL newbies, returning posters and lurkers!!
I really enjoyed this episode, though I did have a few issues -
especially, the comment that Max made to Liz about needing to
explore the relationship to Tess. But overall, I did enjoy the
episode, and I truly liked the muted colors used for the present
(though I understand I'm in the minority on this one) and the bright
colors used for the flashbacks. I also liked Liz's attitude and
character development. (Though I too - I aldebaran - had a pick of
an issue with her quick acceptance of Max. I didn't want a lot of
groveling - just more discussion before they started sucking face,
but ... young love... hard to remember! ) I just hope that they
continue that development. I also felt the chemistry between Max and
Liz - there is an excellent intensity - and though last season does
affect how I view them, the chemistry is still there. On the
otherhand, I did NOT feel any chemistry between Iz and Jessie. Oh
well! I did enjoy the little that we saw of Mikey G and Maria - and
loved Maria's line asking Max "Why he had Liz hold the gun?" -
obviously a Max-plan (poorly thought out!). I also think it would
have been easy to distract a single clerk without a gun! Oh - And I
still HATE the baby storyline. Everytime the "son" is mentioned, my
skin crawls and a gag-reflex starts! I don't think I will every
accept it - and it will always affect the way I view Roswell from
now on.
I also thing it is interesting that it is LIZ that finds the diamond
through research, and it was probably her that came up with the
"plan" to sell it - which came off like clockwork. OH - and
interesting that the Key to the ship is in the shape of a DIAMOND!!
Finally - I wish that Max when looking into the sky at the end -
that they had panned up to the sky to see the V constellation -
would have been fitting. Oh - and yes! Liz did say "Antar" for the
first time on the show!!!!
Oh - also love that SA did the voice over at the end when talking
about the music.
Okay - have to work - I'm just praying this posts!!
Zero
I Shall Believe!
Fan
!!!!! !!!
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Posted 10-11-2001 10:54 AM (IP Logged)
kla
New Fan
Hey everyone! Just have to say I can't wait to rewatch Busted to see
all the interesting things you've pointed out. Having been spoiled
and then reading the Canadian comments in advance of Tuesday night I
think I spent the whole show just trying to enjoy it more than
everyone else seemed to. And I have to say I did enjoy it. It wasn't
perfect but it's hard to be perfect in a one hour episode.
Also, I think we need to cut everyone some slack here. Katims
included. It has to be hard to please the masses each week. Overall,
I think he can do it, but we have to give him some time (and yes I
agree he had all of last season and blew it). However, the
characters do have to grow up, act differently and sometimes will
disappoint us, but we have to hope there is a good reason. I
personally never spoke to my parents the way Liz did, but I wasn't
in love with an alien, either. How should she act when she's in jail
for something that's not really accurate (no holdup) but you can't
explain what you were really doing, or why...? All she can do is act
very rebellious, so her parents don't ask too many questions. And
what else can she do, but take the punishment as if she deserves it?
(And I really hope that Mr. Evans quizzes Max about this whole FBI
thing, because it will be just too weird if he drops it -- at least
I don't want him for an attorney if he does..)
And one more thing while I'm ranting. Why wouldn't Liz forgive Max
for his indiscretions? She has loved him forever and gave him up
only at his own (FMax) request. I think that as much as she wants to
blame Max for "getting Tess pregnant," in the back of her mind she
really knows that she shoved Max toward Tess (over and over as I see
it) and she has no one to blame for the end result but herself and
Future Max.
Anyway, I'm sooooo happy that the show is back. And I did like the
music, not better, just liked it. Do not like Iz's new beau, he's
annoying and I see no chemistry there. It seems too rushed. Let's
all keep happy thoughts and maybe telepathically we can sway Jason
Katims in to writing what we want...
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Posted 10-11-2001 11:16 AM (IP Logged)
Zero
Loyal Fan
Back after reading page 4 (so far)!
GraceKel - great catch about what Harding did for a living! Ummm...
(now he is teaching Organic Chem at NYU on Felicity! )
Okay - to jump into the Liz's treatment of her parents fray - I was
taken aback BUT .... here is how I filtered it. I figured she was
"pissed" that they had gotten caught, especially after saying that
they couldn't get caught and it was Max's plan that fell to pieces.
Then she was stewing in jail when her parents showed up. Sometimes
we treat those we love the most the worst - and I think Liz was not
just rebelling, but taking her frustration with the entire situation
out on her parents (which we have seen shade of before - remember
Liz's reaction to her Mom's questions in Missing, season 1?) I think
the most telling sign was at the end when she walked out with her
parents - and though she looked at Max, she made no attempt to
challenge her parents, but went with them as told to. I think SA
played the spectrum of feelings that Liz was supposed to be feeling
well. Of course, I do have issues with lots of stuff - but that is
how I viewed the whole thing - I guess you might say - that is how I
reconciled myself to Liz's behavior.
I still think Liz is on a quest for justice for Alex's death, and
that is one of the reasons she has "forgiven" Max so readily - she
knows that the only way to find justice is to help Max track down
the Spawn - and with him - Tess, Alex's Murderer. So - I guess it is
all how you filter the episode through your personal rose-colored
glasses!
Zero
I Shall Believe!
Fan
!!!
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Posted 10-11-2001 11:38 AM (IP Logged)
Alexis
Addicted Fan
I got these from RATDG. They are all in good fun, but there is truth
some of these:
You're still holding on to that [the whole mess of season 2]? Max to
Liz
Alex says: Uh, yeah.
What about your son? Liz
There's nothing I can do about that. Max
Alex says: Good, then let's forget all about it.
Forget everything, ignore everything. Liz
Alex says: So sayeth the writers.
What the hell are you doing in Utah? - Papa Parker
Alex says: cause they ran out of good places to go in Arizona?
Okay I just went onto www.upn.com and saw the description they have
of Liz's character:
Liz Parker
Very smart, confident and balanced, Liz Parker was born and raised
in Roswell. Her life was structured and planned out until one day
Max Evans saved her life using his alien powers. Warm and kind but
in need of control of her life, her world was turned upside down by
the discovery that her friend was an alien. She embraces the new
challenges this revelation puts before her and becomes a loyal
friend to the aliens and has an enduring roller coaster relationship
with Max who she realizes may be her soul mate.
Now if you were a new viewer, would you be confused? I think so!
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Posted 10-11-2001 06:45 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
***sigh*** Board ate my post. Can I have a bumper sticker made with
that on it? But then I don't do bumper stickers.
Anyway, basically:
I am sorry so many are not happy with Roswell. It makes me afraid
that it will be cancelled.
I too initially thought the hold-up was off the wall, but if you
recall Liz B&E-ing the school with Sean, and that this is not the
first time she was in jail for Max, and that she & Maria broke into
Michael's last season, and then read this transcript of Busted:
quote:
As Max & Liz leave the party with the diamond
Liz: ...Did you get it?
Max: Of course i did. We did it.
Liz: You were brilliant.
Max: No, you were brilliant.
Liz: That was so exhilarating.
Max: I know.
Liz: You know, just the fact that we, like, pulled it off.
everything. It's just, like, anything's possible right now. And
then throwing that champagne at that woman, it was so cathartic.
Look, and, max, I know what we did is totally... Totally wrong and
completely illegal, but I just loved it. You know? In a million
years, in one million years did you ever think? Yeah. So, now that
the diamond, we have to find the spaceship, right?
Max: Well, not right this second.
Liz: Ok. [Giggles]
Now, doesn't the convenience store hold up seem more likely? Am I
and my daughter the only foolish straight-A students who did very
illegal things?
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Posted 10-11-2001 08:14 PM (IP Logged)
Nemo
Loyal Fan
So tetrol is toxic or carcinogenic? And tetryl is explosive, so
whichever it was, the stuff was dangerous, as advertised.
As for adolescent infractions, once I rigged my grandmother's
kitchen radio to transmit, using a power input about 50 times the
legal limit for unlicensed operation -- I thought that factor would
be more than offset by the likely inefficiency of my makeshift
circuit, so the radiated power would still be low enough not to
stand out. The range was tested using the car radio; my dad drove,
since I didn't have a license for that either. To my surprise the
signal was still loud and clear over a mile from home , so we
hurried home and yanked the plug. (The fine for that was like a year
of my dad's pay, and an FCC station monitoring a 4-state area was
only 15 miles away....) So the music I was broadcasting, Shubert's
Unfinished Symphony, went doubly unfinished that day, and I never
tried anything like that again.
[ 10-13-2001: Message edited by: Nemo ]
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Posted 10-11-2001 09:51 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
Okay dudes and dudettes, get with it. Check out what the LA Times
(no less!) says about OUR show:
quote:
from http://www.crashdown.com//news/2629.shtml
...tonight's episode offers deft use of flashbacks and
time-stamped subtitles to get you up to speed.
Evocative music, offbeat humor and stylish direction by Allan
Kroeker get "Roswell" off to a rousing start. And although it has
an occasional wobble in the acting and a hormonal precociousness
that may offend some, where else can you get such
dialogue-with-a-wink banter as in a scene with Max and Liz?
"Liz, I just want to put everything that happened behind us."
"Yeah, I know that. I would too if I had impregnated an alien who
had murdered one of our best friends and then left the planet with
my unborn child."
"So you're still holding on to that?"
Out of this world.
And Nemo, thanks for sort of backing me up on the behind-the-scenes
extra-curriculars of the high-SAT-score set. Of course, my escapades
were a little less ish. Liz still reminds me of myself at that
age. Rest assured, though, that I'm an now.
And surely someone must have caught the line about Isabel wanting to
keep things quiet with Jesse and how she ended the kiss abruptly to
quiz him on the inside scoop. Methinks she's using him. Remember,
Emilie had her face in the credits for a season too.
[ 10-11-2001: Message edited by: shapeshifter ]
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Posted 10-11-2001 10:22 PM (IP Logged)
pieface
Loyal Fan
Shapeshifter Do you think my "sometimes cloaked spaceship over
Roswell" just made an appearance pie
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Posted 10-12-2001 12:51 AM (IP Logged)
Evid
Loyal Fan
Hi RBI's
Boy, it sure is tough getting on here these days. I always thought
you upgraded, not downgraded. Oh well Roswell did the same thing and
Busted proved it once again.
I watched it on my computer, (No UPN in southern NM, so Roswell
can't even watch Roswell. lol) well the quality wasn't all that
great, but, it sounds like I didn't miss much.
I really hate Max with a passion and I hope these clues become true
and Max is really Ed Harding. His mom even said, "who are you". I
was just disappointed that she didn't slap him across the face, and
say, "snap out of it," like Cher did in Moonstruke. Ok, I really
want Liz to do it, but, any one will do at this point.
One chad I really wanted solved was the handprint Ed/Nasedo left
over Max's heart when Nasedo died. I always wondered if he
transfered something in to Max some how? Max sure hasn't been using
his heart for some time now. Of course the odds are JK has already
forgotten most of what he wrote last season. Now if only he would
forget about Spot, and leave him outside a Catholic church. With
parents like his he will need to be exorcised before he can be given
to a nice family.
As for Liz, oh our poor, poor miss guided soul. Yes I'm blaming her
soul. I would judge Liz if I was changed by an alien inside and out,
but, I wasn't so I will just say I hope she wakes up fast, that is
before the season is over.
Zero: I was thinking of you when I was watching Felicity last night.
When Noel kissed her, or did she kiss him? I just knew that you were
happy, and so was I. Selfish Ben reminds me to much of Max. Now if
Liz could only find her own Noel.
Evid
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Posted 10-12-2001 03:16 AM (IP Logged)
elenac
Dedicated Fan
[QUOTE] bellecan wrote: Worst line of the episode: where Max says he
was attracted to someone like him, needed to explore it, but he's
over it now. [QUOTE].
Bringing this over from Busted general discussion thread for a
comment. I saw the ep but missed the last five minutes as my
computer disconnected and didn't want to do another 4 hours
download. So let me know whether I say something out of place.
I can't believe JK had Max say this thing to Liz. JK himself said
this on the video comment to ITL&ITB on the WB site and, even if I'm
old enough to be at peace with the fact that there's a man and a
woman's way to saying/seeing things, to say that to your "supposed
to be" soul mate! It gives me the creeps. Luckily Max said it in an
apologetic/"it's not a big issue" way and not with JK's annoyed
shrug to silence the complaining audience.
So M/L are back together, JK was quite good to show us how much they
love each other and how much passion they share, they could forgive
each other almost everything. I gather Liz says this when she tells
Max she wants to be with him 'cause she knows what's like to be with
him and what's like to be apart from him. So she'll help him find
his son. I'm not gonna like this part, because there shouldn't be a
Max's son in the first place.
Agree with who pointed out why did they robber the store during the
day and not at night when nobody was around and there was no need
for a gun. They want to show us Mr. Evans' skills as a lawyer?
So Max feels his son is sick? But where's Tess? On Antar or just
around the corner?
Ah the spaceship and the crystal. The books again. Cute.
Did Liz save Max's life again? Ciao. Elena.
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Posted 10-12-2001 04:47 AM (IP Logged)
Rooney
Part-Time Fan
I think the robbery occurred at night. They just checked out the
store in the daylight and then went back. At one point, it does show
that the store was open 24 hours.
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Rooney
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Posted 10-12-2001 06:56 AM (IP Logged)
haniczka
Dedicated Fan
Hi RBI's!
My first mission was to find you, then get caught up and lastly try
to post. Shapeshifter, I was glad you mentioned the flashbacks
depicting Liz in pink. In the glimpses we get of her three months
ago, she had a very wholesome look in the way she wore her hair
(headband) and makeup. When she's in the present, she's in black
with hair sagging around her face. Remember her demeanor when she
was getting her "mug-shot"? Granted, she should have felt humiliated
beyond comprehension, but she also seemed like innocence was gone.
She didn't have the same determination that was so prevalent in last
season's hunt for justice. Did you notice the eyeliner all around
her eyes? It gave her a very hard look. I'm not sure if this is
"maturity" or if it is an indication of her losing herself, who she
is. The present was so dark.
There was a parallel disintegration with Max. GraceKel, I too
noticed the darkening circles under his eyes. He became shaggy; I
don't believe he cut his hair in three months!! He has also given up
shaving regularly. In the past, for the first time he was wearing a
chestnut BROWN shirt, but by the end of Busted, he was dressed in
similar fashion to FMax. I thought it was VERY significant that we
leave him alone and staring into nothing. I believe our king has
lost his way, and doesn't even know where to look. Every promise he
made to Liz was broken, so where does that leave "I want to make
your dreams come true?"
My only fear is that the shaggy Max and hardened Liz are intended to
be "hip" to a younger audience. The storyline was better than I
anticipated but to me they are not rebel heros so much as struggling
youths... and I'm okay with that. -HH
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To see the world in a grain of sand...William Blake
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Posted 10-12-2001 07:37 AM (IP Logged)
aldebaran
Addicted Fan
from "Busted"...
"Liz, I just want to put everything that happened behind us."
"Yeah, I know that. I would too if I had impregnated an alien who
had murdered one of our best friends and then left the planet with
my unborn child."
"So you're still holding on to that?"
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I have always thought that Liz is absolutely vital to the show and
to the aliens - ever since the beginning, I have liked her character
and the role she played in the overall scheme of things. I can see
the point that some are making with regard to rebellious behavior,
and on second thought and a little forced nostalgia, I can remember
some not-so-innocent things done in my youth (though no laws were
ever broken!). So I am moving past that aspect in the "new" Liz.
What I can't fathom, though, is how completely out of character she
was in the above dialogue! As I stated below...
(from my post on another thread) - I have to completely agree with
the pathetic attempts made at humor in "Busted". My sister and I can
barely talk about our dog that died eight years ago without getting
choked up, yet Liz can make a passing "joking" comment about the
murder of her best friend?! She stopped at nothing - even losing the
friendship of Max and the others - to solve Alex's murder and now
she makes lame jokes about it? Who told the writers that this was
humorous? And color me confused, but why am I the negative one (to
the pollyannas) when I say that Liz is way out of character here?
That comment makes it so obvious!
Does that make sense to anyone?
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"Talking about love is like dancing about architecture"
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Posted 10-12-2001 07:53 AM (IP Logged)
reveille
New Fan
I guess I post once every six months (or that's my record so far)
but yes, something is wrong with Liz. When Maria said to Max "How
could you make her hold a gun?" All I could think of is that Max has
never been able to MAKE Liz do anything before... so what gives?
I also wanted to ask if anyone else was suspitious of the lady
"Bimbo" at the diamond show (I forgot her name but Max said it.)?
She mutters to Liz "Young lady, you have no idea who you are dealing
with" and it made me wonder if she was right. Did the "Bimbo" in
fact know exactly who SHE was dealing with? Whitacre said achieving
wealth and status among humans was extremely easy. If the diamond is
the only way to communicate with Antar, or generate a spaceship,
wouldn't that make it highly desirable to an ambitious Skin? I'm
just wondering if we'll see her again...
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Posted 10-12-2001 08:33 AM (IP Logged)
aldebaran
Addicted Fan
reveille, you bring up a good point about the "bimbo". I guess I
took her comments at face value, but hopefully (for the sake of an
interesting story that ties in aspects of S1/2) there is something
more there. If the writers remember what was previously written,
they could tie bimbo lady in with the others who were aware of the
signal going off (or something like that...). I am sure others
posters have more coherent thoughts on the subject than I!!
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"Talking about love is like dancing about architecture"
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Posted 10-12-2001 10:54 AM (IP Logged)
haniczka
Dedicated Fan
Interesting idea, Reveille. What if the "Diamond" information that
Max just "found" among Tess's things was actually planted? That
would explain the AMAZING coincidence of the jewel show being in the
area at such a convenient time. Come to think of it, did the "bimbo"
look overly surprised when Max knocked the diamond off the case?
They may have been just waiting for Max and/or Liz to show up.
So they watched and waited, and then the hat&gun guy tailed the two
to Utah to learn the location of the space-pie (QFan
ny!) and later
watched them pitch the diamond. Then all he had to do was exchange
the diamond with the couterfeit once again, turn the authentic
diamond over to someone who could head back to the store and take
off in the vessel. Since the spacecraft is probably defective as Iz.
points out, most likely, they didn't get far, leaving dumbfounded
government officials behind.
The hat&gun man watches Michael retrieve the fake diamond, and then
frightens him to delay him from coming after the vessel too soon, or
at all.
Anyone else want to play Sherlock Holmes??? -HH
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Posted 10-12-2001 01:54 PM (IP Logged)
Vihmakass
Dedicated Fan
...
S1 ="...that you'll follow your heart wherever it takes you. Trust
it."
S2 ="...But ... we need a plan."
S3 ="...who are you..."
...
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Posted 10-12-2001 03:30 PM (IP Logged)
Melodious1
Addicted Fan
I say the "old bimbo" was either...
-Tess in a new form. Tess was always able to shapeshift.
or
-Tess was possessing the "old bimbo" (hence it was a bimbo x2, he he
)
This would explain why the "bimbo" so very conveniently had the
alien diamond in the first place (and also apparently why the
diamond was so very close in proximity to Roswell).
This would make Liz's angry - however staged - "outburst" at said
"bimbo" ironic, as well as the "bimbo's" line to Liz ("Young lady,
Do you know who you're speaking to?"... the queen - ahem - of Antar.
Of course Liz isn't shoved around by anyone, not even royalty, and
certainly not the queen). I suppose it also would make Max's
fliration with her - also, however staged - ironic as well. Since
Max just *can't* keep control of his energy source when it comes to
those "like him". I'm glad Maria isn't an alien, otherwise there
would seemingly be plenty more fighting between Michael and Max then
there is already (Michael: Would you keep your damn hands OFF my
girl Maxwell?!).
Of course, this is once again trying to apply logic in an illogical
world (aka Roshell). So I don't even know why I try.
Melodious
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Posted 10-12-2001 09:17 PM (IP Logged)
healersbabe
Loyal Fan
You know what though guys what if Kivar is smooth talking but like
Hussein or something... Mr. Kivar Laden Wouldn't you still rather
have a leader like Max if you had to put the lesser evil alien to be
King? I THINK SOOOOOOOO.... this is all like child play your typical
stupid boy thing. Most of the truly excellent leaders had made
mistakes at one point. He's a man in training so even though Jason
looks very mature...he's an alien but in an 18 year old hormone
crazed body. I say we make some protector decision to be his
councils and train him to be a good man . You know what I'm saying?
Doesn't it seem so insignificant at this point in his formation?
Atleast he admits he goofed and that he loves Liz. I think he's got
tons of potential still. We have no knowledge of how Kivar is so I'd
be really careful about saying Max is in any way a worse leader. I
think Max still has a heart of gold and very strong sense of right
and wrong. He means to do well and thats all that matters to me in
leadership material. He is less evil than any of those other aliens
so he's got my full backing,....especially with Liz by his side.
quote:
Originally
Posted by Nemo:
As for adolescent infractions, once I rigged my grandmother's
kitchen radio to transmit, using a power input about 50 times the
legal limit for unlicensed operation -- I thought that factor
would be more than offset by the likely inefficiency of my
makeshift circuit, so the radiated power would still be low enough
not to stand out. The range was tested using the car radio; my dad
drove, since I didn't have a license for that either. To my
surprise the signal was still loud and clear over a mile from home
, so we hurried home and yanked the plug. (The fine for that was
like a year of my dad's pay, and an FCC station monitoring a
4-state area was only 15 miles away....) So the music I was
broadasting, Shubert's Unfinished Symphony, went doubly unfinished
that day, and I never tried anything like that again.
Well atleast its comforting to know you're around in case they take
out the radio signals ... The only time I've ever had cops come over
was once I had to dial "9" to get a line out and the area code and I
dialed it soo quick I dialed 9119 and hung up when I realized what
I had done but they came anyways and well yeah there was that one
time my best friend and I burned the kitchen down but that not
technically my fault . Word to the wise...do NOT cook pop tarts
under the muffin button it will cause a lot of smoke to come out of
the microwave and shatter plate inside. Which reminds me I have to
go buy a new one ...
Vih your posts are soo targeted to the point I love reading them
:grin:
Melodious1 right on as always except I still feel like somehow this
was not Max's fault and Michael is a cool alien now so lets give
them a chance *sigh* and you can't stop making sense of stuff cause
you're the only person who always finds a way to outwit the writting
chads
btw...does anyone know how to make botulism & anthrax vaccines at
home?!? Me getting paranoid ...
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Posted 10-13-2001 08:05 AM (IP Logged)
GraceKel
Crazy Fan
Finally got back on--geesh--things I noticed
Dolores Browning--DB--reverse it BD--Brody Davis?
Sean Deluca--reverse it Doug Shellow?
I didn't HATE BUSTED--I liked the idea of the storyline, better than
the way it was actually executed I guess--the lighting seemed harsh
and cold to me thats all.--Sometimes I thought they needed music to
warm it up when they had no music at all. I didn't hate all the
music chosen, more that sometimes it felt like a documentary because
there was no music to add mood.
Most unsatisfying was Max saying to Liz "do you want to see me? (ah
no Max you called me remember?) "We've lost our only way home"(I am
STUCK HERE so I might as well be with you) and I think I would have
preferred Max to say he didn't understand himself everything that
happened with Tess than that lousy explanation.
This stuff bothered me more than Liz and Max escapades in the
convenience store.
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Posted 10-13-2001 08:02 PM (IP Logged)
Tasyfa
24/7 Fan
everyone! Man, I haven't been here in ages! And then I couldn't get
here when I tried to come back This is going to be relatively
quick--I think
I forget who said this now, but I beg to differ that S2 didn't make
for any passionate Fan
s--I'm one of them! I fell for Roswell on the
basis of EOTW and really, everything up to and including ARCC.
Shakiness ensues after that, but as a Season 2 Fan
I did my
campaigning and sent in my Tabasco and everything. I am not going to
go into this now, but though I love it too, season 1 was not perfect
and had it continued in the vein in which it began, it never would
have been renewed.
shapeshifter Yep, I was an A-student who was a complete nightmare my
last year of HS Not much illegality beyond alcohol, but one thing I
was constantly guilty of was being bitchy to my parents!
I really enjoyed Busted. And while I'm not overly fond of the baby
storyline, I've made my peace with it and I can deal. Grace Kel I
noticed the MTTM echoes too. In fact, I noticed quite a few echoes.
The white roses from EOTW. The last time Max showed up at the CD in
a gray jacket and Liz was wearing that shade of pink was in ARCC,
when he came to tell her he was being haunted. Lighting the trees
was very Blind Date-esque. His line about finding the spaceship,
"Not right this minute we don't" combined with his need to kiss her
reminded me of "Right this minute I can't not touch you" in SH. And
the "3 feet tall and green" grandchildren crack was a specific
reference to Morning After and their chat in the Eraser Room!
Re: the skinnydipping (which wasn't b/c Max had on his boxers and,
for cryin' out loud, his SOCKS ). From the promos, I was very leery
about this scene, but when it aired it made total sense (tho I
missed Max's little giggle ). It wasn't really sexual at all,
unlike how it looked in the promo. It was about having fun and being
comfortable together. That was the first and last thing Max did that
had absolutely NO other motivation than to simply enjoy the moment;
his first and last act of freedom. Tess is gone, along with his son;
there's no way to go back to Antar so even if he wanted to pick up
his duties as the king he couldn't. And then, right in the middle of
that freedom, he gets the message or whatever from his son and
boom--suddenly, he isn't free anymore.
I don't think anyone else has mentioned the internal timeline of the
ep. That date on the dock was 3 months prior to their arrest. From
Max's stunned reaction when Liz came into his room with the info on
the diamond, she had taken a step back after she realized that Max
wanted to try to contact his son. 2 weeks after that was the heist,
and I'm guessing that the road trip to Utah would have been shortly
after that. That means that they had a date, were apart for a couple
of months, and then Liz came to the decision to support him. And he
certainly didn't make her hold the gun, although it was his stupid
plan and ITA that they could have come up with a much better one.
What I find annoying is that Max's father knows that he did it for a
damned good reason, whereas Liz's parents assume that she doesn't
have nough brains or willpower to make her own decisions It WAS a
stupid plan, but she did agree to it and she helped carry it out of
her own free will.
Given that Busted was a season premiere, I thought it was excellent.
There's always too much crammed into premieres b/c they have to set
up the season, and Roswell didn't get the luxury of an extra hour to
do it like Buffy and Enterprise did. I thought that the music wasn't
quite as good as usual, tho the Blur song that played when Max went
back to the store (a very Mulder moment, IMO!) was great, and I the
Van Morrison song at the end. Now that I've seen it a few times, I
start choking up when the song starts instead of waiting for the
dialogue with Philip Who I think believed that Max would opt to
tell him the truth. I kind of hope that Diane will be pretty ticked
off at the ultimatum. OTOH, it'll be interesting to see Max on his
own, or moving in with the Valentis. He can't live with Michael;
they would kill each other.
All in all, I was happy with it and thought it did what it was
supposed to do. It set up the season quite nicely, I laughed at the
right places, I cried at the right places, I wanted to watch it
again, and I can't wait to see what happens next week!
hugs, Tas
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Posted 10-13-2001 08:47 PM (IP Logged)
haniczka
Dedicated Fan
Tasyfa! So good to see you. Reggie's working on a "hug" smiley, and
if it existed, it would be here: @ .
I hadn't caught the time lapse between the "dock" date and the
"desk-chair" date. That does explain his surprise. The music in the
background of that scene was identical to the theme they played with
a guitar in the few M/L scenes in S2, so there that was a nice
indication of continuity. How sad that his carefree exuberance of
youth was so fleeting. I guess the new heaviness of his burden would
explain his increasingly hagard demeanor. But do you have a theory
on the "loss of innocense" in Liz's countenance? -HH
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Posted 10-13-2001 10:17 PM (IP Logged)
DreamerAtHeart
Dedicated Fan
Just checking in real quick. Tasyfa ITA with your post. I also liked
the way they incorporated lighting and flashbacks for the season
premiere. Although, I do hope they go back to the regular format.
A couple more thoughts:
How do Liz's parents plan to keep Liz away from Max at school? Good
luck w/ that one!
Also, last week (before watching Busted!) I watched Departure. I
noticed that Sean says "I have to get out of this town" near the
beginning of the ep. when the four humans are discussing his
earring. Maybe Sean did just have to leave.
I'm not worried that we'll be missing the Valenti's. They still are
in the opening credits and I don't think we needed any more
characters in the already crammed premiere.
Also, the actress who played the "Diamond Lady" (I don't remember
her name (real or character)) is someone I recognize from other TV
shows. (Anyone remember "Head of the Class"?) I would be surprised
if we didn't see her again.
So, are we supposed to think that Jesse is Kivar? I hope not. That
would be way too obvious. I think Iz's relationship (if it could be
called that at this point) is okay. It doesn't really feel like a
betrayal of Alex to me since I think Iz and Alex were really more
just great friends rather than lovers. Apologies to the Stargazers
out there. We'll have to let time tell us how the Jesse/Iz thing
goes.
One last thought...We saw so little of Michael and Maria. I think it
would be interesting if for the second episode they repeated the
first one through the eyes of Michael and Maria and filled us in on
their last three months of adventure.
We'll I guess that's more than a "couple" thoughts.
I can hardly wait until Tuesday!
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Posted 10-13-2001 10:23 PM (IP Logged)
Reggie
Addicted Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by healersbabe:
I think Max still has a heart of gold and very strong sense of
right and wrong. He means to do well and thats all that matters to
me in leadership material. He is less evil than any of those other
aliens so he's got my full backing,....especially with Liz by his
side.
Sorry to disagree with you, after you've been gone for so long...
But... Max stole those chips. He didn't need to, it wasn't part of
the plan; and the cops were coming. He just wanted them, so he took
them. He's not "the most honorable guy I know", as Liz said. Not
anymore.
As for what he "means" to do - HAH! I don't care what a leader
"means" to do. I care what he (or she) DOES. What Max does (now) is
hurt people, and put them in danger. Liz should know better...
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Posted 10-13-2001 11:37 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
hey guys i watched we are family and i was sorry for kyle but at the
same time i was mad at him cos his father was the first one to
investigate them and try to find out what they really were
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When tess want a ride she takes her tractor
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Posted 10-14-2001 12:04 AM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
i really want the collective conciousness to come into the show i
reckon it would play a big role on how max has been behaving
lately.......or what if somebody is controling him little by little
forget about tess she's gone now what if kivar is playing mind games
or when nicholas tried to rape his mind in wipeout allowed the skins
to control his mind
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Posted 10-14-2001 08:46 AM (IP Logged)
DreamerAtHeart
Dedicated Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by Reggie:
But... Max stole those chips. He didn't need to, it wasn't part of
the plan; and the cops were coming. He just wanted them, so he
took them.
I figured Max wanted it to look like they were there for something
other than what they were really there for. But, of course, he
wasn't thinking clearly and grabbed the first thing he could--a bag
of chips. Not much to hold up a store for.
Also, as for the "physical evidence" of Liz's hair at the store.
They were just "ordinary customers" there earlier that day. She
tried on a hat. Of course, there could be a few strands of her hair
lying around.
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Posted 10-14-2001 09:00 AM (IP Logged)
Tasyfa
24/7 Fan
DAH There's no way to keep Liz from Max at school, really, and
certainly not any way of policing whom she looks at! But if their
relationship is restricted to school (not that it will be ), then
at least the Parkers would have some assurance that Liz wasn't off
robbing stores with him or something!
HH {{{hugs}}} back at ya! About the change in Liz's look...I think
it reflects Max's, much as I hate to say that. The black outfit that
she was wearing was sexier and also allowed for complete
mobility--as in, she can run, etc. I'd imagine that trend will
continue in her clothing--form-fitting and mobile. I don't think
we'll be seeing much more pink, either. The pink outfit seemed to me
to be a deliberate representation of innocence, esp. since it was a
knitted set with a skirt and a cardigan. And sh'es also wearing pink
when she finds Max going through Tess's stuff. The next
chronological scene we see her in is when she wakes Max up, and
she's wearing a fairly low-cut dark green top. Obviously the
"waitress" clothes can be discounted as they were a disguise, and
then we get to the black outfit I've discussed already.
Reading that over, it suddenly struck me that Liz woke Max up. Max
waking up was a huge theme over the last few eps of S2. Does that
mean perhaps that only now has he woken up, with Liz?
Reggie I don't think he took the chips, I think he just grabbed at
the corner of the shelving when he was going around it at high
speed, for support, and happened to get them. He's not holding
anything when they get out to the car--I looked.
I can't wait for tomorrow! Sorry--I know y'all have to wait till
Tuesday, but the Toronto station that carries Roswell is still
showing it Mondays at 8. I it! I can see new eps 4x a week The
only crappy part is that I have to keep my mouth shut for 24 hours
about what I've seen
hugs, Tas
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Posted 10-15-2001 07:01 AM (IP Logged)
StephStephSteph
Obsessed Fan
Hi RBI!
I am amongst the M.I.A. as of late since.. *ahem* this upgrade
sucks.
Unfortunately, I'm just way too busy for a Monday to go back and
reread everything right now, so just marking my spot.
Of course.. eppy #2 is on tomorrow, which means I better get to
reading. I know how this thread can get SO in depth in ONE day.
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RBI~Dreamer~Behrian
*Behrian Boogie Diva*
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Posted 10-15-2001 10:51 AM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
Hi all!
ITA with lots of those nice, positive and RBI posts (we need a
smilie with a Sherlock Holmes hat and a spy glass ) but will
(hopefully) post later after work. Zero sends her regards--she
couldn't get into the boards either this weekend.
Thanks for the time date explanation--Zero, in your spare (hah!)
time, you can add it to the Timeline.
Oh, and GraceKel, ITA about that Max line that came off sounding
like he was stuck with earthgirl.
Reg, ITA with whomever
Posted that Max swiping a bag of chips was
just part of their "hold-up" cover. Of course, taking the money in
the til would have been a better cover, but Max didn't do that.
Am I the only one concerned that there have been NO PROMOS for week
2's ep?
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Posted 10-15-2001 01:22 PM (IP Logged)
Zero
Loyal Fan
Please let this post!!! :Zero Praying:
Okay - First - It is sooooo great to see so many of you back and
posting (or attempting to)!!
Evid - YES I am so hooked on Felicity and loved the first episode, I
have rewatched it way too many times!
Tasyfa - you make some excellent points, and I love your up-beat
attitude! I'm a bit jaded, and it is so easy to focus on the
negative, but there was a lot of interesting stuff that I liked
about the first episode (like - I was one of the few who liked the
muted colors/filming of the present), and I definitely noticed some
paralellism (sp?) between this an old episodes (the MTTM
similarities were the most noticable), and the way Max grabbed the
chips reminded my of how Zan grabbed an apple in MTD!
The timeline will have to be run by me again - I didn't totally
understand it - but here are some things I noticed:
* The hood-up began at 2:04 am, and they arrived back from the
diamond heist and were interrupted by Mr. Parker at 2:00 am.
* Liz is 63 inches, or 5'3" tall.
* We jump back 3 months in time for the first flashback - and it
must be the beginning of the new school year since Mikey G is asking
about getting into a class.
* Liz's mom had 12 rules Liz was not to break!
* The tree background used for the CDs at the end was the place that
Tic Tac buried Hank.
Okay - nothing mind-bending, but ... I still find it interesting how
it is Liz who saves Max's life over and over again, both
figuratively and literately!! You go girl! (Oh - and I wish I looked
so good - eye liner and all - after being in jail for a while! )
Looking forward to tomorrow night! :thumps_up:
Zero
I Shall Believe!
Fan
!!!!
(Please post! Please post!)
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Posted 10-15-2001 01:31 PM (IP Logged)
Reggie
Addicted Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by shapeshifter:
Reg, ITA with whomever
Posted that Max swiping a bag of chips was
just part of their "hold-up" cover. Of course, taking the money in
the til would have been a better cover, but Max didn't do that.
Am I the only one concerned that there have been NO PROMOS for
week 2's ep?
You'd hold up a convenience store for a bag o' chips? My dear, with
all due respect to you (and all the others) who've said that they
were "just like" Liz; and who've said that they "went wild" as high
school ended: that's crazy. Armed robbery is serious business; and
while it seems that nothing on Roswell is to be taken seriously
anymore I think that no policeman would accept such a robbery for
such booty. It's obviously a "robbery" with a different reason;
hence They had to move the Flying Pie Plate (tm QFan
y).
As for the "no promos": don't worry. Tomorrow night's ep is actually
pretty good, except for Bonnie & Clod. I'm beginning to wonder if
3.1 wasn't to introduce a new setting (character-wise), which will
be held to through this season.
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Posted 10-15-2001 02:35 PM (IP Logged)
Evid
Loyal Fan
Hey RBI's,
Let's get back to a little bit of mythology, shall we.
Now I know JK and crew may never head this direction, or for that
matter any direction, but I still like speculating with all of you.
I was thinking with Tess gone, that their is no longer a four
square. The podsters are now a triangle. The podsters no longer have
Tess, but they have Liz, Maria and Kyle, who just so happens to form
another triangle. So what do two triangles form? A hexagram. And
correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we see the Star of David in
Liz's room?
Any way here is my theory with a little bit of background on
hexagrams.
A hexagram is represented as two interlaced triangles and is most
commonly known today as the Star of David, the symbol of creation.
What I'm getting at here is that we have 3 humans and 3 aliens, each
group forms a triangle and when they are interlaced they form the
Star of David. The interlaced triangles represent the inseparable
unity of body(matter) & soul(sprit). The pointing upward triangle
represents spirit (Max, Iz and Michael or Antar) and the pointing
downward triangle represents matter (Liz, Kyle and Maria or Earth).
The four square, or cube, represented, "all that is known," but not
all that can be learned. With out increased knowledge the four
square failed.
With Tess the podsters were moving backwords and repeating the same
mistakes. With the humans they progress to become whole. Ignorance
is not bliss.
So maybe the reason the pod squad came to earth was to complete a
hexagram, because on Antar the four square failed.
Evid
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Posted 10-15-2001 03:15 PM (IP Logged)
healersbabe
Loyal Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by Reggie:
But... Max stole those chips. He didn't need to, it wasn't part of
the plan; and the cops were coming. He just wanted them, so he
took them. He's not "the most honorable guy I know", as Liz said.
Not anymore.
As for what he "means" to do - HAH! I don't care what a leader
"means" to do. I care what he (or she) DOES. What Max does (now)
is hurt people, and put them in danger. Liz should know better...
Hi Reggie!! Its ok you disagree with me you're forgiven . I
suppose you are absolutely right a leader is should be more of what
he DOES than what he says he's going to do or wants to. About the
chips...well granted I would never have taken them I thought it was
kind of well funny that even when Max is supposed to look bad Jason
is all that and a bag of chips ...get it? I think Liz was by far
the worse one here by holding a gun to a man's head after she
herself had been a victim of violence but I'm trying to just take
everything with a grain of valium this season .
I believe Max is just doing everything he thinks is "the right
thing" to do even if it isn't and he knows in his heart its wrong. I
guess now its his way to feel like he can do things that he doesn't
have to do. I know that makes no sense but I dunno how to explain it
. Sort of like if he messes something up he knows he did it because
he choose to and not because he was forced to do something that
messed it up. Someone help me out here...
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Posted 10-15-2001 08:15 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by pieface:
Shapeshifter Do you think my "sometimes cloaked spaceship over
Roswell" just made an appearance pie
PIE!! Long time no see! We've got a whole Cloake Space Ship
discussion going over at the Sci Fi thread.
Well, I finally saw a Promo tonight, and it looks like Liz's dad is
going to be like Dad in the Roswell High books this season.
Hey, if nothing else, y'all must admit that Liz has been given her
rightful place as important to the whole Alien show!
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Posted 10-15-2001 08:24 PM (IP Logged)
Reggie
Addicted Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by healersbabe:
I believe Max is just doing everything he thinks is "the right
thing" to do even if it isn't and he knows in his heart its wrong.
I guess now its his way to feel like he can do things that he
doesn't have to do. I know that makes no sense but I dunno how to
explain it . Sort of like if he messes something up he knows he
did it because he choose to and not because he was forced to do
something that messed it up. Someone help me out here...
I know too well what you mean. Max feels "free", now; and he's
reveling in it. He can do anything he wants, and he just might, if
it feels good. Remember that girl I told you'ns about?
(StephStephSteph?) The first guy she went off with was just like
that.
This way to The Dark Side: If it feels good, do it. (Including
hurting other people, etc...)
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Roswell is not Roswell
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Posted 10-15-2001 08:56 PM (IP Logged)
allie0875
Part-Time Fan
I haven't seen any one throw this out for discussion, but I wanted
to see what everyone thought about it before the show tomorrow. When
Max read Nasedo's letter that he found in Tess's things, the first
line of the letter was "I am your one and only protector on this
planet." I thought JK wrote that line for the RBI because it was a
specific piece of evidence that the TicTac theory is false.
Personally I still have not given up on the theory yet and believe
it is still a possibility. I just wanted to know if anyone else
noticed the line.
Beth
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Posted 10-15-2001 09:23 PM (IP Logged)
DreamerAtHeart
Dedicated Fan
Just a quick catch up . . . it's been a busy day.
quote:
Originally
Posted by Zero:
* We jump back 3 months in time for the first flashback - and it
must be the beginning of the new school year since Mikey G is
asking about getting into a class.
I think Michael's discussion with the biology teacher took place in
"current time." The colors seemed "muted" to me. Also, brunette
Isabel came and interupted with "Michael, we have to go to Utah
since our brother and his girlfriend got arrested."
Later!
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DreamerAtHeart
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Posted 10-16-2001 06:28 AM (IP Logged)
haniczka
Dedicated Fan
Reggie, "Bonnie and Clod?!"
I thought the scene where Max disguises himself as a prison guard
and tries to "spring" Liz was also significant. He makes it clear
that he's ready to take off and leave everyone and everything (other
than Liz) behind. How did he word it? ... I think he said "Would
that be so bad?" and Liz says "I'm not willing to leave my family
and my home." So she's not going to sacrifice everything for him. At
the end of the episode, she's home and he's out.
I know nothing about upcoming episodes but I would expect Liz and
Max to get less attention for awhile since they've reached that
point of being together but separate (again). I'd like to see what's
going on with Michael/Maria, Kyle, Iz and rats, forgot his name. I
LOVE the idea DREAMERATHEART suggested of seeing the same episode
again through the eyes of other characters, but I don't think it's
going to happen. -HH
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Posted 10-16-2001 08:10 AM (IP Logged)
aldebaran
Addicted Fan
allie0875, that line from the letter did stand out to me, too
(mainly because I had read the Tic Tac theory here!), but frankly, I
take everything with a grain of salt with regard to Nacedo. First,
he is a protector of the podsters. Then, he is their betrayer. That
would indicate (to me) that everything we and the pod squad know
about him is untrustworthy and highly questionable, yet TPTB would
have us believe - and would have M&L believe - that his letter is
the Gospel truth. Perhaps we are supposed to believe it because it
was addressed to Tess, his supposed cohort, as opposed to all the
group. Who knows? It would be interesting if it were false, though.
How about Tess' stuff? I imagine it is still at the Valenti's house.
Small point, but do Max and Liz have a key, or did they break in
(thus no Valenti men to be seen last week)?
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"Talking about love is like dancing about architecture"
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Posted 10-16-2001 08:18 AM (IP Logged)
elenac
Dedicated Fan
From Busted:
Max: So you're still holding on to that?
It clearly means that he isn't, as he says later. Isn't it strange
that few minutes later he has a vision of his born child who's in
trouble? Must have been a vision loaded with painful feelings as he
almost drowned. My question again is: where's Tess on Antar or just
round the corner?
Max(about Tess): meeting someone like me, it attracted me. I admit
that. It was something I had to find out about, and now I'm over it.
Should we drop all the MW, MR, ME theories? I think so. Unless, and
I say this only for dreamer's sake, this could fall down what
happened to Alex when he was back from Sweden and found Roswell's
winters far too warm to need winter clothes. And we know he never
went to Sweden.
Max:Liz, I'm here. I'm not going anywhere ....... There's no way
back....
It also sound to me that he feels stuck here and needs a friend to
cling to for help and support.
This is the point. His all speech is just rude and hurtful, enough
to fall out of love with him on the spot. Could be OK to talk like
this to a friend not to a girl you are trying to win back. Look what
Liz says to Max after the fake sex with Kyle:
Liz: You know, you have got me up on this pedestal, Max, and ...I'm
not this perfect person. I made a mistake. Look, Kyle and I made
love. The end. I'm sorry.
While she was keeping her point, she tries to lower his esteem of
her so to lessen his pain and, most important, she says she made a
mistake.
Max:I want to make your dreams come true.
For all I said before this sentence is just out of place. And we
know that every time a promise is made in this series, the following
minute it's been denied.
Mr.Evans:(to Max). I'm sorry son. Silence is not acceptable. And
neither is a lie, not after what we've just been through. No. Not
under my roof.
So Mr. Evans chased Max out of the house. A robbery is a very
serious matter, to be taken seriously. Yet it seems too drastic a
measure. I wonder how Mrs Evans feels about it.
Ciao. Elena
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elena
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Posted 10-16-2001 08:28 AM (IP Logged)
Zero
Loyal Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by allie0875:
I haven't seen any one throw this out for discussion, but I wanted
to see what everyone thought about it before the show tomorrow.
When Max read Nasedo's letter that he found in Tess's things, the
first line of the letter was "I am your one and only protector on
this planet." I thought JK wrote that line for the RBI because it
was a specific piece of evidence that the TicTac theory is false.
Personally I still have not given up on the theory yet and believe
it is still a possibility. I just wanted to know if anyone else
noticed the line.
Beth
Beth - Excellent question! And I did notice that! I too will never
give up on the belief that Tic Tac and Harding were NOT one and the
same shapeshifter - AND that Harding was NOT necessarily Nasedo. I
believe Tic Tac was/is a good protector and Harding was a bad one.
Also - this quote raises the following - whose protector was
Harding? Just Tess'??? The quote gives that impression - not like he
was the protector of all the pod squad. ummmm....??
Oh I love to "myth"!
Zero
I Shall Believe!
Fan
!!!
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Posted 10-16-2001 08:32 AM (IP Logged)
Zero
Loyal Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by DreamerAtHeart:
Just a quick catch up . . . it's been a busy day.
I think Michael's discussion with the biology teacher took place
in "current time." The colors seemed "muted" to me. Also, brunette
Isabel came and interupted with "Michael, we have to go to Utah
since our brother and his girlfriend got arrested."
Later!
You are correct - when I wrote that observation it came out
confussing. I meant that the flashbacks were 3 months earlier, and
that the "present" time must be at the beginning of the school year
since Mikey G was talking about getting into a class.
Zero
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Posted 10-16-2001 08:47 AM (IP Logged)
Zero
Loyal Fan
Okay - I'm on a roll - so ...
About Tess' stuff. Yes - that was definitely the Valenti's house,
but it looked like it was in a storage area off the back porch - not
in the house. Plus, I think that Valenti has become a bit of a
father figure to the Scooby Gang, and so, comings and goings with an
open door policy is probably not a big deal anymore for them. In
fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Max moves in with them! Now - that
would be a fun mix! Max, Kyle - and Liz to the side!! I did not
find it unusual that Max (given the timing - beginning of summer,
Valenti probably still unemployed??, Tess having just left, etc.)
for Max to be there going through her stuff. MY BIG QUESTION WAS -
WHY? hadn't they gone through her stuff before this??? (OH - I
forget, this is Roswell, and no one ever goes through files, etc.,
or asks probing questions until they have to!)
BTW - I will NEVER give up the Stepford Max (i.e., Max was
mindwarped somehow, someway) theory!! (Now that I'm a Farscape Fan
-
maybe Max had a Chip put in his head when the "royal seal" was
projected??? And in time we will know that he is being controlled!
)
Now I really have to go - see you all later!
Zero
I Shall Believe!
Fan
!
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Posted 10-16-2001 10:53 AM (IP Logged)
Vihmakass
Dedicated Fan
hi!
(in spring a was posting this not exactly but):
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Dupe 4
1.Zan
2.Lonni
3.Rath
4.Ava
Royal(Hybrid)4
1.Max
2.Iz
3.Michael
4.Tess
Human4
1.Liz
2.Maria
3.Alex
4.Kyle
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...and what we can see now? Every 4 is losed one member - I repeat -
every 4!!!
Zan - killed by own 4
Alex - killed by r4
Tess - gone or dead
If Tess wasn't preg - i think Max killed her.
It's weid how this what Liz was doing in TEOTW is protecting Tess
and somehow it protecting Max too
(- he is not murder now).
Now
Dupes has one dead and two murders 4-1-2=1
Royal4 has one murder and 0 dead 4-0-1=3
Humans has one dead and 0 murders.4-1-0=3
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What i trying to say...i don't know but this somehow desturbing
me...like stone in shoe.
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sry.gram.,spell.
[ 10-16-2001: Message edited by: Vihmakass ]
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Posted 10-16-2001 12:32 PM (IP Logged)
allie0875
Part-Time Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by aldebaran:
allie0875, that line from the letter did stand out to me, too
(mainly because I had read the Tic Tac theory here!), but frankly,
I take everything with a grain of salt with regard to Nacedo.
First, he is a protector of the podsters. Then, he is their
betrayer. That would indicate (to me) that everything we and the
pod squad know about him is untrustworthy and highly questionable,
yet TPTB would have us believe - and would have M&L believe - that
his letter is the Gospel truth. Perhaps we are supposed to believe
it because it was addressed to Tess, his supposed cohort, as
opposed to all the group. Who knows? It would be interesting if it
were false, though.
ITA, I do have to admit that when I heard the line, I said to the TV
"TPTB can try all they like but this still does not make me lose
faith in the TicTac theory because I am not going to believe
anything Nasedo wrote."
Zero, I never even thought about Nasedo just being Tess's protector,
but like you the line seems to give the thought support. It also
seems to say that since Nasedo was in league with the enemies as
well as Tess does the diamond actually contact the resistance on
Antar or Kivar. The reaction of the ship to the diamond is the only
piece I cannot make fit into the puzzle unless the reaction of the
ship to the diamond is what caused the ship too disappear and not
the FBI. It would explain why the FBI is keeping close tabs on Max
and CO. It was assumed that the FBI moved the ship, but what if it
moved itself because the diamond activated it in some way. The
powder what was left behind could be some sort of defense mechanism
that the ship had programmed to emit if under possible attack.
The more I think about the letter the more questions and theories I
seem to have about it.
quote:
Originally
Posted by Zero:
BTW - I will NEVER give up the Stepford Max (i.e., Max was
mindwarped somehow, someway) theory!! And in time we will know
that he is being controlled! )
Like you I will never give up on this theory. I have faith that one
day the theory will be proved. So sign me up as a card carrying
member of the HE WAS MINDWARPED!! movement.
Beth
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Posted 10-16-2001 03:51 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
guys i have my own little theory about the healing stones being
connected to liz as well
there is 5 healing stones
and everytime they healed somebody there was 4 people using the
stones
in the balance liz was the 5th but she wasnt ready and stepped back
to allow the other 4 to try and save micheal ......it worked
when nesado died in white room tess micheal max izzy and liz made
their way to the podchamber ....the r4 healed nesado with the stones
and liz was in the background
'ask not' Nesado dies...the r4 try to heal him with the stones but
his time was up........BUT the big BUT......liz wasn't there
if liz somewhat was there with the r4 again with the healing
stones.....could nesado still be alive today?????????
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"When humans want rides they take Jetta's.
When tess want a ride she takes her tractor
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Posted 10-16-2001 03:55 PM (IP Logged)
healersbabe
Loyal Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by Reggie:
I know too well what you mean. Max feels "free", now; and he's
reveling in it. He can do anything he wants, and he just might, if
it feels good.
This way to The Dark Side: If it feels good, do it. (Including
hurting other people, etc...)
Well see this is Max's main prob...he doesn't believe there IS a
dark side...he doesn't believe in an organized good/bad energy
system and he doesn't believe in God so all he understands is hurt.
I suppose he thinks that he got here because he chose to and not
because of karma. He is slowly but surely starting to believe in Liz
again (a drop but better than nothing ). How can you explain tro
someone who is totally lost in themselves that there is light and
there is good for him if he values it...not to mention that ironicly
its the only way to make him feel is to follow the good path.
Vih I sort of feel you're on to one of these excellent discoveries
of yours but I'm lost . I can't see where you're going with this
yet? Can you explain it a bit more ?
<--love him!!!!!!
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"U hold on boy, 'cause you won't go down like this..."~Rob
Thomas/Matchbox20
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Posted 10-16-2001 04:23 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhh
ignore me
[ 10-16-2001: Message edited by: QueenAmidala01 ]
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"When humans want rides they take Jetta's.
When tess want a ride she takes her tractor
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Posted 10-16-2001 08:36 PM (IP Logged)
healersbabe
Loyal Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by QueenAmidala01:
arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhh
ignore me
Are you ok or just having a bad day?!? Cuz if its just a bad day
check these out <-- . I think we will find plenty of uses for
those new faces in here
[ 10-16-2001: Message edited by: healersbabe ]
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"U hold on boy, 'cause you won't go down like this..."~Rob
Thomas/Matchbox20
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Posted 10-16-2001 09:36 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
Okay, it's 11:11 pm here in the Midwest where MtGatGSC aired at 8pm.
I am assuming y'all on the west coast are watching now???
So, to discuss it:
When Liz says she dreams about Max, how many of us are thinking
something a little more real than just a dream?
And calling all dreamers: Did it or did it not come true for y'all
tonight?
So: Vermont? brrrr. I think Liz would need Max to melt some snow.
And Kyle sure looked after Isabel wistfully. I still think she's not
serious about Jessie--especially because of her unwillingness to be
out in the open about it.
So, how about Mr. Parker has a coronary & Max heals him?
But hey, what if Max's 'son' had decided to contact him when he was
powering the hang glider and they had crashed? Shades of Icarus &
Daedelus.
But also, big contrast between Max hijacking a hanglider to make
Liz's dreams come true and a terrorist hijacking a plane to you know
what.
So, I think Max is just being a little thoughtless, but still good
intentioned. Anyway, if Max had zombied out into the Collective
Consciousness, maybe Liz would have used her powers to at least land
it properly.
Likewise, I could imagine Kyle having to use his sometime to save
Isabel.
Didn't catch a lot of RBI stuff, except maybe a 'high voltage' sign
at Michael's where the power company had shut off the electricity.
Vihmakass, very good observation on the pattern of the 4-1 in the
groups. I am so overwhelmed with conspiracy theory thoughts
everytime I see the news that it's a treat to try to think of one
that is lacking in obvious means, motive, and method.
g'night!
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Posted 10-16-2001 11:40 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by healersbabe:
Are you ok or just having a bad day?!? Cuz if its just a bad day
check these out <-- . I think we will find plenty of uses for
those new faces in here
[ 10-16-2001: Message edited by: healersbabe ]
thanks
owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww that new censored one looks great
so i can say
I want to max while we r both on the granolith ....
and 1001 stories come into mind while i'll get away with the truth
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"When humans want rides they take Jetta's.
When tess want a ride she takes her tractor
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Posted 10-17-2001 06:18 AM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
Cool , speedy boards with breakfast.
Over at the Liz Bashers (CHADS) thread, they did have a very funny
CHAD:
quote:
307) How did the tiny Lizbot lift and carry an unconscious Max out
of the water to the car? Did she use her "special" powers or could
she do it because she was wearing her superhero Underoos?
Being a tiny ShapeshifterBot, I don't see her having a problem with
it, but I thought it was funny.
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Posted 10-17-2001 06:46 AM (IP Logged)
StephStephSteph
Obsessed Fan
Good Morning RBI!
Just wanted to post briefly about last night's eppy.
I loved it. Nice and light and fluffy - just like we like it. The
only thing that threw me was Pa Parker - anyone else get a weird
sense when he was talking to Max about Liz being sent to VT? The
scratch on the back of his neck gave me the willies. Could he be
someone/something else?
[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: StephStephSteph ]
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Steph
RBI~Dreamer~Behrian
*Behrian Boogie Diva*
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Posted 10-17-2001 02:49 PM (IP Logged)
elenac
Dedicated Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by shapeshifter:
Cool , speedy boards with breakfast.
Over at the Liz Bashers (CHADS) thread, they did have a very funny
CHAD: Being a tiny ShapeshifterBot, I don't see her having a
problem with it, but I thought it was funny.
Actually I noticed too and paid attention when rewatching the scene.
It seems difficult that she could do it all by herself, a fainted
person is particularly heavy. It struck me that she brought Max to
Micheal without calling him for help. Yet a desperate person can do
this and even more.
Or, even if the place looked deserted, she could have found someone
to help her out. Yet it was quite difficult that she could leave
with a fainted Max without this person calling for an ambulance.
On the whole, I give Liz the benefit of the doubt.
Ciao. Elena.
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elena
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Posted 10-17-2001 05:45 PM (IP Logged)
Tasyfa
24/7 Fan
I loved MTG&TGSC! Way funny and nice to see everyone, tho not
enough of Maria
My hackles went up at the line in Busted about "I am your only
protector on the planet," too. It's almost like it's begging to be
disproved, you know? I'd to see Tic-Tac show up!
Unless...he already did, as Jeff Parker. Those of you who've worn
the parental shoes, feel free to correct me, but that was just not
normal! Normal is when Jim yelled at Tess about where she had been
before even noticing that Max was there in BIY (sorry!). Or Amy
chasing Michael out of Maria's room and then parking her daughter in
the kitchen for a heart to heart in ID. Normal is NOT watching your
daughter make out with her boyfriend and then threatening her behind
her back! Makes me wonder how much of the making out and talking he
saw/heard after the diamond heist before yelling at Liz in Busted.
Could Jeff be a shapeshifter? Or, the theme of possession by Khivar
keeps arising, Jeff could be emissaried by Khivar. It was just too
extreme--it didn't even match the concern shown in Busted or even
when Max was looking through the window. When he told Liz in the
jail cell that she was forbidden to see Max, he was still rational.
Ditto for ragging on her for looking through the doors at Max
instead of working for 30 seconds! Those felt like way
overprotective but still natural things for him to do. What he said
to Max, tho, and even more the WAY he spoke...it was all wrong, and
gave me the willies
In the last 2 eps, I think we've seen Max use his powers more than
we have for ages. Cause? Liz. And I have a feeling that as they are
allowed no (OK, less ) time to be together, that's how he'll find
ways around it. Forced growth, so to speak!
Also, does anyone else think that letters to Max might become the
new version of the journal? Personally, I always felt that the
reason she stopped writing in it was b/c she could talk to Max about
those things after SH; she didn't need to write them down and keep
them to herself anymore. And then Destiny, etc. happened and she was
a walking unit of pain for a year and understandably didn't want to
write about that! I think it would be great if they did use short
letters that way. Not love letters, exactly, but more like her
journal entries where she would tell Max about what was going on
with her since she wasn't allowed to speak these things to him!
And ITA with whomever was wondering if these dreams of Max are just
dreams or if something bigger is at work
Jeez, I get long-winded BTW, when Liz woke Max up by kissing him,
that was their first kiss since the Jeep in Departure. No wonder he
was in such shock!!
hugs, Tas
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Max & Liz: Friends, soulmates, lifebonded; inseparable for eternity.
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Posted 10-17-2001 07:18 PM (IP Logged)
DreamerAtHeart
Dedicated Fan
ITA that Mr. Parker is acting crazy-protective. But, it's hard to
blame him after his daughter was arrested. However, doesn't he stop
to think, "Hey, I let Liz run around with her friends all the time
before and she even disappeared for days on end and I never cared.
Maybe Mrs. Parker and I should have talked to her more then." Where
the H-E-Double-Hockey-Sticks were the Parkers, or any of the
parents, for the last two years anyway? So Mr. Parker actually
spends time in his own restaurant now?
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DreamerAtHeart
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Posted 10-17-2001 07:58 PM (IP Logged)
DreamerAtHeart
Dedicated Fan
Btw, has anyone else noticed how the crystal-diamond-key is in the
same shape as the granolith-spaceship?
P.S. Is anyone else having trouble accessing the screencaps?
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DreamerAtHeart
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Posted 10-17-2001 08:47 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
DAH, Nice catch on the diamond shape. Recall last season all our
posts about diamonds on shirts, walls, fences, etc.
And I think Mr. Parker's reaction is not uncharacteristic
considering the nature of the offense. But yeah, where was he when
she was in jail after the rave in season 1? I guess that's the
handicap of a low-budget TV series.
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Posted 10-18-2001 06:53 AM (IP Logged)
StephStephSteph
Obsessed Fan
I guess the thing that really caught me was the "scratch" by Pa
Parker. Did you guys see that? The "scratch" behind the neck - it
seemed so pronounced and.. hm.. skin-like.
Just pointing things out.
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Steph
RBI~Dreamer~Behrian
*Behrian Boogie Diva*
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Posted 10-19-2001 06:57 AM (IP Logged)
StephStephSteph
Obsessed Fan
Where is everyone!?
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Steph
RBI~Dreamer~Behrian
*Behrian Boogie Diva*
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Posted 10-19-2001 07:23 PM (IP Logged)
haniczka
Dedicated Fan
Hi StephSteph. It IS awful quiet around here. I agree with many of
your observations regarding Jeff. My initial reaction is that it's
really too bad they didn't do more developing his character last
season so we could understand this transition better. I hadn't
thought to suspect he's a Skin, but rather he is the new "Obstacle"
between Max/Liz in a Romeo/Juliette kind of way. In order for Liz to
grow into a rebellious teenager, she needs authority to rebel
against. I'm also missing Amy. Hope to see her again soon.
SS - Wow, good observation about Max in the air when he COULD have
been contacted again. What the heck is he thinking? And I too
thought to myself how much I would have loved the camera to continue
filming when Liz fished Max out of the water and then stumbled
around getting her own soggy clothes back on, and then DRESSED HIM
before hauling him home.
I noticed something in the opening sequence, (with the Dido Roswell
theme) that you probably discussed three years ago... or is it new??
When they show the first glimpse of a Newspaper it says in large
letters across the top: "FBI Investigates Crash" or something
mundane. But underneath, in smaller letters and a supposedly
separate article, it says something like "Ex-King to wed
Lucianda"...??? I tried it with my tracking on slow but the fuzzy
stuff goes right through it. Do any of you know what I'm talking
about?
I enjoyed this episode because it's nice to see how the other
characters are doing. I was very impressed with Nick's performance.
Interesting how he and Valenti have switched roles and now Kyle is
the mature care-taker while Valenti is gallavanting about. I didn't
think Kyle was looking wistfully after Iz because he has strong
feelings for her; I believe his sentence was "Max has Liz, and
there's Michael and Maria, but you've never had... THAT." But I
interpreted his sad, wistful look to be because he has never had...
THAT either. And that song: "If I had a Million Dollars" keeps
getting stuck in my head!! It's been a very long week for me, so
goodnight all. -HH
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To see the world in a grain of sand...William Blake
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Posted 10-19-2001 09:30 PM (IP Logged)
Style
Dedicated Fan
Now this is a tread that openly discusses the science fiction
storyline and other storylines, with grace.
And I have to admit, destiny pertaining to S2 left many unanswered
questions. S1 had the most intriguing mythology, alongwith the FBI.
They knew about Liz Parker.
Liz and Max are combined with Earth and Antar's mythology.
Style
Joined: Jul 2001 | Posts: 301
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by haniczka:
...I noticed something in the opening sequence, (with the Dido
Roswell theme) that you probably discussed three years ago... or
is it new?? When they show the first glimpse of a Newspaper it
says in large letters across the top: "FBI Investigates Crash" or
something mundane. But underneath, in smaller letters and a
supposedly separate article, it says something like "Ex-King to
wed Lucianda"...???
...
No! You're Kidding! Wow! Got to check that out! Anyone have the
meaning of the name "Lucinda" handy? I got to go now.
quote:
Originally
Posted by haniczka:
...I was very impressed with Nick's performance...
Definitely! He's awesome!
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Posted 10-20-2001 08:29 AM (IP Logged)
GraceKel
Crazy Fan
Hi Fellow Liz Mythers---just checking in---Hey remember when this
thread use to fly??????? Here we are a second eppy under our belt
and this thread has barely moved???? So whats up folks?
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Posted 10-20-2001 10:26 AM (IP Logged)
elenac
Dedicated Fan
It seems that everybody enjoyed this second ep. I was only able to
watch ten minutes of it so can't join in yet. But there's something
that you've already noticed and that I'd like to bring up again. And
that is things that are repeated such as: "It's a surprise" like in
MTTM, Max that lights up trees of whatever with his power like in
BD, Max watching Liz through the CD window like in TH.
It's only a sketch of an idea but it suggested me the line "history
repeating itself" as if M/L, even after "the change", are sort of
repeating the journey they made through S1 and S2. I don't think the
authors are reapiting things only for UPN's new viewers. Why those
same viewers couldn't watch the show when was on the other channels?
Could that be possible?
BTW isn't the board particularly quiet?
Ciao. Elena.
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Posted 10-20-2001 11:26 AM (IP Logged)
Vihmakass
Dedicated Fan
Hi!
I whatched this clip and by me there was writen:
- Ex King Carol Weds Meme Lupescu -
Maybe someone can do caps?
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Posted 10-20-2001 04:00 PM (IP Logged)
Luna G
Loyal Fan
parenthoodweb has this meaning for Lucinda:
Bringer of Light
I like this one better from babyzone:
"Illumination" -- Mythical Roman goddess of childbirth and giver of
light to newborns. Also refers to Mary as Lady of the Light.
Yeah, I'm not a myther. I just like to visit.
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The hardest part is leaving Earth behind.
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Posted 10-20-2001 04:25 PM (IP Logged)
nermal
Addicted Fan
Liz is our Bringer of Light and Truth.
Or at least she is when she's not robbing convenience stores.
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Posted 10-20-2001 05:12 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by Tasyfa:
...Normal is NOT watching your daughter make out with her
boyfriend and then threatening her behind her back!...
Hmmm...good point. A CHAD? Or maybe little Liz was first recognized
by little Max because Pappa Parker has an alien connection? If so,
whose side is he on? Maybe he isn't against Max, just wants to
prevent history repeating itself? That rhetorical question about
'tell me you're not dangerous' might have had a double (alien/human)
meaning.
quote:
Originally
Posted by Tasyfa:
...And ITA with whomever was wondering if these dreams of Max are
just dreams or if something bigger is at work ...
That would be me. Anyone else sit up and take notice at that line?
Luna, Great contribution! Liz has often "illuminated" the
situation.
And Vihmakass, I did a search for "Lupescu" and found this:
quote:
from the Columbia Encyclopedia online at Bartleby's:
Lupescu, Magda
(mäg´dä lp´sk) (KEY) , 1896?-1977, wife of Carol II of Romania.
Her given name was Elena. Carol renounced (1925) his succession to
the throne for her, but after becoming king (1930) he installed
her as his official mistress. She was accused of exerting a
corrupting influence on Romanian politics; part of her
unpopularity was due to her Jewish origin. Lupescu shared Carol's
exile from 1940 and was married (1947) to him in Brazil, becoming
Princess Elena. After his death (1953) she lived in Portugal and
in France.
Elena, your namesake, perhaps?
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Posted 10-20-2001 06:37 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
was this article that u guys are talking about in the actaull paper
in 1947 or was it put in for the show? Cos if it was already on the
paper when they put this on the credits then there really isn't any
significance on the show just coincidence
also checkin out the s3 credits
i also noticed that when they were shoing the royal 3 max izzy
micheal....liz slowly appeared with them making the 4th as the royal
3 started to disappear
heres the sequence of caps
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Posted 10-20-2001 07:01 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
also another thing i noticed in the s3 credits
remember this symbol
well once again i was trying to figure what this symbol was about
then i saw the symbol being incorporated with the royal 3
and i thought it could have meant the contact of the 4th alien cos
it looks like a pod with a being in it
but then I thought again...if nesado is the bad protector this
symbol wouldve meant or was the meaning for nesado and the
dupes...contacting them when micheal triggered it by burning it.
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Posted 10-20-2001 07:04 PM (IP Logged)
QFan
ny
Obsessed Fan
I've hardly seen the Snapple episode but it will be on again tonight
and I'll be able to tape it then. I was with Melodious1 and she
caught me saying, "I wonder if Mr. Parker is an alien." I then
realized my mistake, at no point did I abandon the idea that Liz
Parker is %100 percent human. But it makes it hard to say Jeff is
alien and Liz is not.
Anyway, I haven't been posting as much because, I'm tired, I'm broke
and I don't really get UPN. I get Roswell because a FOX affliate
airs it late night on Saturdays.
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From Nebraska
QFan
ny/MOB14
Liz is not an alien
And there is no spam in responsibility!
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Posted 10-20-2001 07:15 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
so how is season 3 for everyone in aussieland we nearly finished the
hybrid cronicles......and i like those episodes
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Posted 10-20-2001 07:27 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
QueenA, Interesting that you liked the H-Chronicles. I remember when
they were airing that after each one I felt like I had just landed
back on earth in a space ship and all I could say was, "Wow!"
And yet, I didn't like them. Maybe more like: didn't "appreciate"
them? I missed the lack of relationships--which Season 3 is
definitely offering. But now I find myself equally uncomfortable
with the plot--I guess it's too close to home (from my high school
romance years).
But this doesn't mean I don't want to keep watching!
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Posted 10-20-2001 11:21 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
are my theories ok /interesting...cos if its just a waste of post
space then i might as well stop
sorry about this cos there isnt any feedback from my theories im
just gettin worried
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Posted 10-20-2001 11:34 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
QueenAmidala01, Don't get discouraged! Actually, I think your theory
is valid. A while back there was some posting about that symbol
being similar to the "Lillith" symbol which was representative of
the "dark side" of things, I think ??? It's 1:25 am here and I am
only up because I took some headache medicine that worked, and then
I was able to think clearly enough to work out a Javascript code
puzzle that had been bugging me for weeks. So, off to bed now!
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Posted 10-21-2001 12:27 AM (IP Logged)
Nemo
Loyal Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by QueenAmidala01:
checkin out the s3 credits
i also noticed that when they were showing the royal 3 max izzy
micheal....liz slowly appeared with them making the 4th....
Thanks for pointing that out. It seems to fit a longstanding
pattern. I'm still waiting to see what comes of it.
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Posted 10-21-2001 08:54 AM (IP Logged)
Zara
Dedicated Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by QFan
ny:
Anyway, I haven't been posting as much because, I'm tired, I'm
broke and I don't really get UPN. I get Roswell because a FOX
affliate airs it late night on Saturdays.
Hey QFan
ny, you're in the same boat I was in last year, watching
Roswell at 4:30 in the morning on Tuesdays! The move to UPN has made
Roswell a prime-time show for the first time for me.
I've enjoyed the season so far, and especially liked Snapple. Love
that Monk! I'm so glad he was on the show! "Fries, no fries, extra
fries, Ketchup with that?" (I paraphrase...) Anyway, he's very
funny. I hope we see him again.
I did catch Mr. Parker scratching his neck, and thought it was
creepy. Did you also see that when Iz enters the minimart she's
loitering by the SOS scrubbing pads? Made me wonder, is she in
danger? Also loved "NO MO KING" on the wall when Liz was in jail.
I just wanted to pop in to say I'm enjoying the humor and relative
lightheartedness in these first few episodes. I'm unspoiled, so I
can only guess what's going to happen next. We'll see... Take care!
Zara
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Posted 10-21-2001 08:55 AM (IP Logged)
chicatron
New Fan
hi guys!!
This season seems very interesting.
I have one comment to throw out there. At the end of the last
episode, with the the "man to man" talk between Max an Mr. Parker, I
am wondering if we are being set up for Liz and Max to .............
ELOPE... to Vegas...
I know that Liz has a strong will, with a good heart, but after
everything that has happened, she obviously does not take any
consideration into following the rules laid down by her
parents........and neither does Max....
wouldn't that be a great full circle of events!!!!!
Does anyone agree or disagree with me?????
Later Chicatron
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Posted 10-21-2001 11:12 AM (IP Logged)
elenac
Dedicated Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by shapeshifter:
Elena, your namesake, perhaps?
Oh yes, I have so many!
Elena from Greek Heléne "the shining". It seems it matches with what
you've been talking about.
A name a dream, queens, princesses, saints etc. My favourite Elena
is from the Greek mythology, from Iliad, whose beauty was the cause
of Troy's war. She has a connection with our pod squad. Infact she
hatched from an egg that was laid by Leda, Tindaro's wife, who
joined (as in sexually) to Zeus transformed into a swan.
Oh well, when I dream "I DREAM". Ciao. Elena.
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Posted 10-21-2001 11:39 AM (IP Logged)
nermal
Addicted Fan
We could only hope that Max would give up the throne for Liz.
But I wonder how far he will go with the search for his son, Spot, I
call him. The robbery thing was not good.
Mr. Parker has a right to be worried that his only child is being
put in danger. I don't want Liz hurt anymore either.
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Posted 10-21-2001 06:51 PM (IP Logged)
Reggie
Addicted Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by QFan
ny:
I've hardly seen the Snapple episode but it will be on again
tonight and I'll be able to tape it then. I was with Melodious1
and she caught me saying, "I wonder if Mr. Parker is an alien." I
then realized my mistake, at no point did I abandon the idea that
Liz Parker is %100 percent human. But it makes it hard to say Jeff
is alien and Liz is not.
Anyway, I haven't been posting as much because, I'm tired, I'm
broke and I don't really get UPN. I get Roswell because a FOX
affliate airs it late night on Saturdays.
Poor dear. We don't get UPN at all. But a friend of a friend has a
Dish, and gets the early feed from Fox Studios... Yes, I've seen
tomorrow's ep.
Anything I/we can do about the tired/broke stuff?
Remember, Liz is not an
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Roswell is not Roswell
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Posted 10-21-2001 07:41 PM (IP Logged)
shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
I thought I
Posted this earlier, but maybe the board ate it:
In Book 2 of the Roswell High Books, Liz refers to her "Aunt Elena."
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Posted 10-21-2001 08:22 PM (IP Logged)
QueenAmidala01
Obsessed Fan
ummm i feel silly asking............whats snapple????????????
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Posted 10-21-2001 09:51 PM (IP Logged)
Nemo
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Snapple is a fruit drink, as explained on this thread:
Explanations of words.
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Posted 10-21-2001 10:18 PM (IP Logged)
Zero
Loyal Fan
Hi All!
Sorry I've been MIA, but I didn't have much to say after The Great
Snapple Caper - and I've been busy. I do need to catch up on my
reading, so I have nothing to add to what everyone has said. I'm
looking forward to seeing what you all thought! I enjoyed the
episode, But.... I feel like none of the Liz Myth stuff will ever
show up again - and Liz was barely in the episode.
Plus - where did Max get the power to Mindwarp, or whatever he was
doing to get the alien on the wall to have "bubble" conversation
with Liz???
Well - here is hoping that there is "more" to Tuesday night's
episode!
Zero
Fan
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Posted 10-21-2001 10:35 PM (IP Logged)
Zero
Loyal Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by DreamerAtHeart:
Btw, has anyone else noticed how the crystal-diamond-key is in the
same shape as the granolith-spaceship?
P.S. Is anyone else having trouble accessing the screencaps?
Is it me or do others see a picture of Liz (or another female) on
the tip of the emerging ship in this photo? Maybe someone
superimposed it there?? OR could it be another connection between
Liz and the Granolith???
Zero
Fan
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thanx nemo
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quote:
Originally
Posted by Vihmakass:
Dupe 4
1.Zan
2.Lonni
3.Rath
4.Ava
Royal(Hybrid)4
1.Max
2.Iz
3.Michael
4.Tess
Human4
1.Liz
2.Maria
3.Alex
4.Kyle
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...and what we can see now? Every 4 is losed one member - I repeat
- every 4!!!
Zan - killed by own 4
Alex - killed by r4
Tess - gone or dead
If Tess wasn't preg - i think Max killed her.
It's weid how this what Liz was doing in TEOTW is protecting Tess
and somehow it protecting Max too
(- he is not murder now).
Now
Dupes has one dead and two murders 4-1-2=1
Royal4 has one murder and 0 dead 4-0-1=3
Humans has one dead and 0 murders.4-1-0=3
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What i trying to say...i don't know but this somehow desturbing
me...like stone in shoe.
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Vih, this has been disturbing me soo bad as well because of this
post its been eatting away at my head cause you always catch the
best things so if you feel you've got a stone there there must be a
stone there ...
So let me roll the dice and see if it helps you clic anything and
bring us some peace of mind
quote:
Vih:"...and what we can see now? Every 4 is losed one member - I
repeat - every 4!!!
Zan - killed by own 4
Alex - killed by r4
Tess - gone or dead
If Tess wasn't preg - i think Max killed her.
It's weird how this what Liz was doing in TEOTW is protecting Tess
and somehow it protecting Max too
(- he is not murder now).
Ok, so lets say they find out in the future that Tess/Max cannot
reproduce or that this kid was not Max's...then the not true royal
heir is now somehow being used to rule the world. He is then the
false prophet everyone is waiting to happen...apocalpyse etc. This
is soo true that Liz was somehow seeing that protecting Tess was
protecting Max since you're right he's not dead. So how could PMax
and PLiz have survived to have ended up getting married if PMax was
going to die in NYC? So then something else was going on that caused
that new event. FMax said it that he would seize to exist so was
that Zan who went back so that he would die instead therefore that
was not Max she talked to? Help me out Vih...
So Tess is dead? You think Max killed her so basically everyone as a
result by chain link lost one member of its respective group?!?
quote:
Now
Dupes has one dead and two murders 4-1-2=1
Royal4 has one murder and 0 dead 4-0-1=3
Humans has one dead and 0 murders.4-1-0=3
Dupes have one dead, ok Zan...and two murders? You think Lonnie and
Rath where killed? Then Royals have one murdered (Tess?!?) and 0
dead? How did you manage that to be three? And humans have one dead,
Alex and 0 murders? I think Alex was definately murdered. So ok,
then to even up the missing one Ava would complete the Royal four
but what about the humans? And Kivar mixes into this how?
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LIZ IS NOT LIZ IS NOT LIZ IS NOT LIZ !!!!
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healersbabe
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Oh sorry to dupe post but it won't lemme edit the upstairs one now
!! And I'm convinced that Liz is not Liz because hello if there was
any mindwarping going on would be Liz holding up a convinience
store, pointing a gun to a man's head...ahhh....sorry no can buy .
Less Tess/Ava are shapeshifting non dupe/royal ANYTHINGS but a pair
of twins. Then Liz has has dupe running around handgliding ...
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HI RBI
I, too, have been MIA. Guess MTG&TGSC just didn't stir too many
"Importance of Liz" thoughts. But.. still liked it and looking
forward to tomorrow's eppy.
Good question, Zero. When DID Max learn how to do the thing with
posting random quotes on a wall for Liz? And.. could anyone else see
that? No one seemed to have, so how can he connect with JUST Liz? Is
it almost like planting thoughts in her head? A type of MW?
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RBI~Dreamer~Behrian
*Behrian Boogie Diva*
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zydny
Crazy Fan
I created a thread about this nifty real picture of the Northern
Lights over at the Ros2 thread, and QueenAmidala suggested that
ya'll might be interested in seeing it here. I borrowed this from
the aurora page at spaceweather.com.
Look familiar?
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Posted 10-22-2001 04:49 PM (IP Logged)
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shapeshifter
Crazy Fan
zydny, AWESOME!!
And how 'bout this one from the same place (thanks for the link!):
Doesn't it remind y'all of this scene from M2M?
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Zero
Loyal Fan
What gorgeous pictures!!
Steph - great to hear from you - even if it is brief! I hoping we
get more stuff to myth about soon! So far the pickings have been
slim!
You all have a great evening!
Zero
Fan
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Vihmakass
Dedicated Fan
quote:
Originally
Posted by Vihmakass:
Dupes has one dead and two murders 4-1-2=1
Royal4 has one murder and 0 dead 4-0-1=3
Humans has one dead and 0 murders.4-1-0=3
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What i trying to say...i don't know but this somehow desturbing
me...like stone in shoe.
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sry.gram.,spell.
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SRY.
murder - > killer
...and i still don't know...but im keep thinking about...
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This is only silly thought:
in Into the Woods they found this Whirlpool sign and next ep. Max in
danger.
in Blind Date Michael sending this Saturn sign and next
ep. he is in danger.
in Max to the Max Nasedo sending this Whirlpool sign and next ep.
Max in danger.
Every time when they are in some trouble or danger - thouse signs
are apeared somehow.
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here is deep night and im so sleepy, please forgive my
messed thoughts and gram.,spell. too!
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Wow Shapeshifter!
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...and this Northen Lights(or Virmalised) for you!
(by KaRahh)
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Hi, All!
Just checking in.
Looking forward to tomorrow's ep.
It looks like Roswell is going to face some stiff competition during
the Tuesday 9pm slot. Smallville has potential and Fox is certainly
promoting "24" a lot. I know I'll be taping "24" once it starts.
Roswell is still #1.
Later!
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Alexis
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About the whole beginning of the letter Nacedo wrote to Tess, maybe
it was the writer telling us "No Tic Tac" but I just got the creeps
that Nacedo had this creepy control over Tess. shudder
As far as Liz dreaming of Max I think it was the writers purposely
calling out to all dreamers (wouldn't dreamers be happy with those
lines?) I think the writer's are wooing the dreamers.
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thanks Zydny for postin the pic here
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Dedicated Fan
Gosh, no comments on last night's episode yet? I knew we were going
to focus on Iz. sooner or later. I'm just wondering why NO ONE is
getting flashes anymore. Why when things are getting steamy, doesn't
Jesse feel anything strange? Do Michael and Maria flash to each
other regularly now?
And Iz., who dream walks people's minds in their sleep does not want
to see into Jesse by day? Or is this a channel Max and Liz have
developed far more than the others? I'd really like to see more
telepathic communication between them, especially since they are
separated physically. I'm hoping the flashes haven't been sandbagged
with S1.
By the way, is it me, or did they really have a lame part created
for Alex this time? If I were Collin, I would have felt like that
wasn't worth the trip. -HH
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Crazy Fan
hani, my understanding was that it was not really Alex. He says he's
a part of Isabel, and he says that if he forgives her, then she has
forgiven herself. Do you see how I see it?
I appreciated the directorial bit that Max backed down from Mr.
Parker when Liz came between them. This seemed to be the key Liz
Point for this ep. Beautiful line at the end from Dad to Liz: "You
are my poem."
I bet they wouldn't have had Isabel recommending NYC to Jessie if it
had been shot pre-9/11.
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Addicted Fan
Okay, a couple (okay one) of RBI things:
Jesse mentions putting their cards on the table
I did not think it was in Liz's character to suggest she live with
Max! What is up with that? Does that mean that the writer's want us
to assume they are having sex? And she wouldn't be the one to
suggest it would she? And Max wouldn't necessarily like it. Look at
how it is in EOTW. Liz is mentally coaching Tess to not look at Max.
"Don't look at him. Let him come to you." And that was in S2, not
S1.
I never responded to those straight A students that were
"rebellious" in high school. I, too, was a straight A student. My
parents felt I wouldn't do anything against the rules(just like
Liz's parents). Yet I did. I ditched school a couple of times (only
time I ever did that-senior year) and I was even chased by truant
officers (my friend has never seen anyone jump a fence like I did!
) Anyway, yes you can be rebellious but not so stupid as to act like
you robbed a convenience store! And, when Maria mentions her doing
it all she says is "We didn't really rob it." Instead of, " Yes, it
was a stupid move, but that doesn't mean my dad can act like a
tyrant!" That is more like Liz.
Oh, how I miss Alex! I liked the part he played actually. The ending
scene was bittersweet. Isabel had to move on and Alex (being a part
of her) helped her do that. Sigh.
I agree with you about the telepathy. I think that the writer's
could utilize this more than they are. Max and Liz are separated, so
in Liz's frustration she could try to see him through astral
projection. Why not?
SO was more like S1 so I was, for the most part happy with it.
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Zara
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sorry, double post...
I liked last night, especially seeing Michael with his friends. As I
said before, I like those guys.
Right now I need a little less romance and a little more sci-fi, but
from the teaser at the end of last night's epi it looks like things
will be picking up a bit next week.
My intended post follows:
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Zara
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I'm having trouble posting; please forgive if this is a duplicate...
I'd like to see a picture of Mr. Parker's old girlfriend. Any bets
she looks like Sheila Hubble? Wouldn't that be fun?
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shapeshifter
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Lost my post, will try to recall.
RBI stuff: Liz's Dad was sending her to the Winema Academy in
Vermont? This sounds Native American. Possible Grandma Claudia
connection?
Or, Liz's mom says that Liz can't possibly think of anything to do
that liz's mom hasn't already done--would that include being in love
with an alien?
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Last night's ep. was okay. I still feel like we're just getting set
up for the third season. We've had an episode about Max & Liz, one
about Michael & Maria (sort of Maria), and one for Isabel & Jesse.
The promo for next week looks like more sci-fi. I'm just looking at
these three episodes as an extended premiere that introduces us to
the characters and where things stand with each of them.
I'll have to watch it again and look for "clues." Nothing comes to
mind right now.
Alex? I guess they needed to resolve that for Isabel. Do you think
we'll see him again? I doubt it.
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I don't understand what Liz meant when she told Maria she's thinking
of "pulling the plug." It came right before the pivotal "Liz" scene
that Shapeshifter describes where Liz stands between Max and her
father. The previous night, she'd heard her parents fighting, with a
"side" to her father she hadn't known. Earlier that day, she tried
to talk to Max but got caught in the eraser room by a mutant
deranged science teacher.
So, here she is at work again, (making milkshakes out of cottage
cheese) and she and Maria have a confusing conversation. There's a
play on the word "mad" and then Liz says something about "...maybe I
should pull the plug". Maria interprets her to be suicidal, much to
Liz's exhasperation. Is she considering breaking up with Max? In the
eraser room, when she says she doesn't want to "weigh Max down" is
she pulling away from him? Is that what Max meant when he said he
felt they were "slowing down" and "turning down the heat?" Or is she
considering pulling her father's plug? Quitting her job? Leaving
home, although Max has already tried to discourage that in this
episode? I can understand Maria's confusion because that line didn't
make sense to me.
Oh, and QueenAmidalia, I wanted to add that not only is "Snapple" a
fruit drink, but it's also a product that in all its marketing and
advertising, does NOT take itself seriously. They have ridiculous
contests and commercials with men dressed as enormous fruits dancing
in harmony, etc. So that's why the "Snapple Caper" is appropriately
"tongue in cheek". The line "You stole the Snapple, Michael..." is
funny. I suspect JB had a hard time saying it with a straight face.
And WHAT group of male security guards would lose their jobs
stealing DIET PEACH SNAPPLE??? The whole thing is absurd. -HH
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Hi RBI!
Well, I Posted this over on the Boogie Diva Thread, so I thought I'd
bring it over here and share my thoughts on "SO"...
What did you guys think? Me? Well, I was a tad.. unmoved. I'm having
problems REALLY getting into Roswell this season. Don't get me
wrong, I love Roswell and I'm TRYING to have the same affection to
it as I had in S1 and even S2 (despite the T / factor, I was
enthralled), but I just can't seem to really get excited, ya know?
OK.. here's my thoughts.. Iz and Jesse:
Loved seeing Alex! Who wouldn't!? But I just didn't feel this
excitement when Iz and Jesse came on the screen. Who is this guy
anyway and why are we supposed to be happy that they found each
other? OK, so Jesse would "leave everything behind" for Iz? Well,
she's hot - what normal guy wouldn't!? I need a little more about
Jesse before I can even decide how I feel about him and right now?
Well, yeah.. I was bored.
Mikey G and Maria:
OK, so when did these two become so boring? Are we supposed to just
be happy that Mikey G's developing some friends and a life? I dunno
- who didn't want to see some big reaction at the Bowling Alley when
Mikey G up? Me - These 2 are about as exciting as watching my
parents on "date night". Have they gotten this sore this fast?
Max and Liz:
Well, Max looked like What's going on with my boy? Granted, he's
still gorgeous, but are they working this look into the show or is
this how he looks these days? And how "rebel"'ish (if that's a word)
did the Dream Team look when they were walking together outside?
Black leather jackets.. lots of eye makeup for Ms. Parker.. and that
grunge look that just doesn't seem to be working for JB.
I dunno. Don't want to sound too negative. I love Roswell. I'll
stick it out to the bitter end, but I'd LOVE to feel that passion
for it like I did in S1! Where is that? Where are those episodes
that make me go "Gawd, I can't wait until next week!"? Because right
now .. I think I can wait..
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shapeshifter
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quote:
Originally
Posted by haniczka:
I don't understand what Liz meant when she told Maria she's
thinking of "pulling the plug." ... Earlier that day, she tried to
talk to Max but got caught in the eraser room by a mutant deranged
science teacher.
So, here she is at work again, (making milkshakes out of cottage
cheese) ...Maria interprets her to be suicidal, much to Liz's
exhasperation. Is she considering breaking up with Max? In the
eraser room, when she says she doesn't want to "weigh Max down" is
she pulling away from him? Is that what Max meant when he said he
felt they were "slowing down" and "turning down the heat?" ...
hani, ITA it was confusing--especially because I couldn't hear most
of it--not sure if it's my funky little tv or not. Anyone else?
And ITA and ROTFLMAO on your assessment:
"...a mutant deranged science teacher. ..."
And I thought making milkshakes of cottage cheese was a great way to
explain Liz's state of mine.
But reading your post, I think it is the relationship's plug to
which she was referring. But we know they could never really do
that.
steph, I can't take time from work to really respond to your post,
but my impression is that these are typical teen phases that will
pass. Does that sound plausible? For instance, in the late scene
where Liz and her dad make up.
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quote:
Originally
Posted by shapeshifter:
steph, I can't take time from work to really respond to your post,
but my impression is that these are typical teen phases that will
pass. Does that sound plausible? For instance, in the late scene
where Liz and her dad make up.
Yeah, I suppose it sounds plausible, which is why I'm taking
everything with a grain of salt (and a shot of tequila ). It's been
quite some time since I've been a teenagers, but somehow I remember
being a teenager as a different expereince.
Yes, I can totally see the fighting between Pa Parker and Liz as
"typical teenager stuff". I can even see the trials and tribulations
of being in relationships (Max/Liz, Mike/Maria) as "typical teenager
stuff". But.. some of the other things? Well, they just don't seem
like anything but ways to fill space. For example, this Iz/Jesse
relationship. She's torn, she's scared, she wants to give in
(typical teenager stuff), but she resolves all these feelings in 1
episode? 2 days? Iz never struck me as the irresponsible type, but
getting married at 18? Well, a tad out of character don't you think?
And Max? Well, yes, he's a teenager and going through some rough
times, but he seems just so blah these days. No real reaction to
anything. I was just waiting for him to say something! Anything! The
only time I was really enthused at to what he had to say was when he
was talking to Iz over foozeball.
I dunno.. just sort of rambling, but Roswell has a very different
feel to it and I'm not sure how to react. I'm open though - we'll
see.
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Steph-I know what you mean in some ways, especially about 1) Missing
Alex 2) Isabel and Jesse not really doing it for you 3) Michael and
Maria (I was hoping Maria would at least get in a gab before telling
him she was okay with it!) and super-especially 4) JB's grunge look.
He looks much better as a preppy alien than a strung out one! I am
really worried about JB actually. If you compare the pictures of him
from S1 to S3 he looks 1) soooooo thin and 2) ragged and warn out.
The boy needs some sleep! That is probably why it seems like he
barely has enough energy to say his lines, let alone put feeling
into it! ITA with most of what you said about that.
I do have to say that this weeks ep seemed more S1 to me, especially
the scene with Liz and her father and when Alex waved goodbye and
disappeared. :tear:
shapeshifter-good question about Liz's mom!
What I would love to see is instead of Liz talking to Max on the
phone from LA (like it shows in the promos), have her use her astral
projection powers instead! Why couldn't the writer's incorporate
that? Or can she only do it when he is in danger?
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quote:
Originally Posted by Alexis:
What I would love to see is instead of Liz talking to Max on the
phone from LA (like it shows in the promos), have her use her
astral projection powers instead! Why couldn't the writer's
incorporate that? Or can she only do it when he is in danger?
Can Liz talk to Max while doing that or is it only a visual thing?
Liz wasn't all that clear in MITC and while Max could see her
yelling I don't think he would have heard her no matter how close he
was to her.
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Evid - that is so interesting that they actually did do research -
so maybe our catches were real, just not followed up on for one
reason or another. BUT the potential remains IF they decide to
revisit it all!!!
Here is hoping we get some stuff to discuss tonight!! See you all
tomorrow - I hope - or at least later this week. (Too many meetings,
and work!!)
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Vihmakass
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quote:
Originally
Posted by shapeshifter:
Here is something I found while sweeping my daughter's room (there
was a Michael & Maria too):
![](stuff/dolls.jpg")
I like this pic !
if you ask why:
from the ddd.com
This colour thing is interesting:
Max,Iz,Michael and even Tess(s2) have in credits one blue pic.
Humans have yellow tones pic's.
Bad guys are signd by red colour.
Blue
Yellow
Red
- this are basic colours (3)and black,white are basic tones (2) -
3+2=5 (4+1=5) or rainbow (7) colours make white light and dark or
nothing is black (7+2=9 or (4+4)+1=9) ...?
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Sometimes Max useing green energywall (blue+yellow)
Here one interesting pic:
from theddd.com
and one more:
from theddd.com
Does yellow mean Earth?.....
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Zara
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Woo Hoo! We really do have a second shapeshifter! Tonight's episode
is going to be worth a second look.
My first question -- the epi is called "Secrets and Lies." The
secrets are plentiful, not just for Liz and Max, but Mr. Valenti,
Sr., Mr. Valenti, Isabel, the shapeshifter...
The question is: what are the lies? Surely they are more than Max
pretending to be a second cousin to the dead man and giving people
the impression he wants to be an actor...
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Style
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Shapeshifter, tic tac?
Yes. There were two, that I am aware of. Could be more.
Or Liz, understands, that maybe Nacedo, still can be alive?
That the problems of Antar came from within. And that Khivar and
Nacedo, did have a plan, but the scientist had, at that time, a
better one.
Style
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Hey guys I forgot to mention ONE MORE THING I noticed===since WHEN
did Maria's eyes become BROWN? It is very noticeable om SO eppy when
Maria comes in to whine about Michael not showing up for lunch or
something? Since when does someone's eye color change?
Did we forget to put our contacts in? Or are we COOKING up a new
PLOT--so therefore the characters must FIT the PLOT---SIGH!!!!
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quote:
Originally
Posted by Vihmakass:
I like this pic !
if you ask why:
This colour thing is interesting:
Max,Iz,Michael and even Tess(s2) have in credits one blue pic.
Humans have yellow tones pic's.
Bad guys are signd by red colour.
Blue
Yellow
Red
And sometimes Max useing green energywall (blue+yellow)
Here one interesting pic:
and one more:
Does yellow mean Earth?.....
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i like ur theory
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When tess want a ride she takes her tractor
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another thing about this colour thing...........do max and izzy and
micheal and tess have different colour energies when they use there
powers?
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Great Ep! Full of ****clues****
Zero! They made you a second shapeshifter! Not only did they name
one of the planet's leaders after you, but TicTac has arrived! I am
sorry he's so evil, but our 2 Shapeshifters Theory has been
realized!
Vihmakass,
The Maria is yellow and the Michael is blue. All four are wooden
dolls that my daughter drew on with a pencil to make Max, Liz,
Michael & Maria.
QueenAmidala01, did you read the Roswell High books? In them the
aliens can read people's moods by the colors of their auras. I am
going to start a new Compare And Contrast thread soon if no one else
does.
Style, Did you notice in the "previously seen on Roswell" clip they
had Nasedo saying he could "not change what is on the inside"? Is
this "the evil within" or was that whole thing a Tessovision?
Okay RBIs, this shapeshifter takes notes!
Here we go:
Are those drops of blood on Michael's yellow door window?
Liz is wearing a green (jade?) necklace in a silver (Native
American?) setting. Interpretations please!
When Valenti shows up at school to send Kyle to "take care of" his
grandpa, the word "love" is on the locker over Valenti's shoulder.
Then Kyle gets up and walks toward "The Truth" written on the
chalk board. Valenti gives Kyle his orders next to a yellow sign
that I think says "Loading Zone." Kind of an odd place for such a
sign.
The resthome has Native American (I think) rugs decorating the
walls.
As Kyle tells Liz his family has a lot of irony, the sign "Third
Floor" is behind him--Kyle is the third generation to be affected
by aliens.
Grandpa's book has "UFO" on the cover.
The scripture being read as Max arrives at the funeral is:
'...like a father pities his children...knowing our frame...he
remembereth that we are dust.' Dust--like Isabel saying, "I'm too
young to be dust." Like the Skins & Nasedo dying as dust.
Max's agent's card reads: Julius Walters Talent agency, phone: 323
555 0189, fax: 323 555 0191
The Evans' kitchen has a lot of red lights (as does Liz's porch).
Liz is lighting a lot of candels; Joey was burned alive; at the
end, Max is in danger of burning.
The "Go Home Max" note on his windshield does the old Skin Disolve
routine.
Ed Harding, the new shapeshifter, and the Talent agent are all
middle-aged bald men. (Neither Philip Evans or Mr. Parker are
bald--neither is Valenti.)
The shapeshifter is named (I think?) "Cal Langley."
The names on the agent's palm pilot include: John Anderson, Brian
Olson (?), __ Cunning, Stone Denson, Al Eisen__, Coo Eisen__,
Scott Ericson, Joan Ferrelley...
The dead guy's address is 1651 Eastborn. The preacher at his
funeral was also quoting "as far as the east is from the west..."
The poster over Joey in his video reads: Deadly Assets
On the Paramont lot a Lobster and a Nun walk by together.
Behind Frakes is a poster: Light Year 3000. Over Max is "Stellar
Dimension: ...million years planning
Max has more of a Future Max hair do next week
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i know about the aura's i've got the whole roswell high collection
its just in the show.........is it the same
also if the aliens are in blue shouldnt their powers be yellow or
green to symbolise the human spacies or earth
green is blending in the human and alien colours therefore a hybrid
is produced from that
and max most of the time has blue powers....doesnt he.
except its green for the energy wall.....as mentioned before
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Scary Fan
QueenAmidala01 (or Zero, or anyone else), Both Liz on her porch and
Mr. & Mrs. Evans in their kitchen had a lot of lights in red globes.
All of them were worried about Max's safety. Any connection
(symbolic or otherwise) to the Red Star that burned out when Zan
died?
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Hi RBI!
YAY YAY YAY! Did anyone else scream at the screen last night during
S&L saying something along the lines of They Heard Us!?
I was SO psyched to see there was a 2nd SS - in fact, the whole
episode did WONDERS for my Roswell funk as of late. I loved it.
This eppy is a must see twice, so I don't have much to write until
then (or until someone jars my memories), but.. yeah.. good eppy!
One thing I did think about was Joey's GF. Did anyone else think she
looked like the woman in the daily with the 2nd SS? I could have
sworn it was the same woman.. Serena?
Oh.. and..
quote:
Originally
Posted by haniczka:
Did anyone notice whether or not Iz. is sipping wine in the
restaurant? It was defintely out of a wine glass. Remember that
just one tiny drop of alcohol in Max's system knocks him for a
loop in "Blind Date"...
I did notice and it was wine. Least it looked like it. I
specifically remember thinking Doesn't look like she has the same
effect as Max. Wonder why that is!?
I'll bbl.. for sure!
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Zara
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Shapeshifter, funny that you are now a scary Fan
!
In the Valentis there was a star hanging on the wall with a clock in
the middle. That caught my eye! Liz' room has a star with a mirror
in the middle.
I may be wrong, but I think the Evans have painted their kitchen. I
remember lots of terra cotta last year, now the cabinets are bright
turquoise (Native American connection?).
There were gleeful moments in last night's epi for me. Shapeshifter
#2 had on a long coat like the Blind Date shapeshifter.
I had hoped that Mr. Valenti, Sr. would have a more immediate
reaction to Liz, but it was good enough I guess. He could have had
that "They are Among Us" reaction to anyone, but I prefer to think
he recognized Liz' importance and was passing her a lead!
There was something about last night's ep that made me think of the
four elements, but it was in relation to Michael. All those
Metallica posters in his apartment -- is he metal?
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quote:
Originally
Posted by Zara:
There was something about last night's ep that made me think of
the four elements, but it was in relation to Michael. All those
Metallica posters in his apartment -- is he metal?
I'd love to say that's a great idea, but I think Brendan Fehr
actually had some influence in that. At the FF Party in LA, he
mentioned that he was a huge Fan
of Metalica and they auctioned off
a couple Metalica Tee's of his. Makes me think he simply helped the
set decorator.
Anyone else wondering if the 2nd SS will be popping any tic-tac's!?
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During S1 it was explained somewhere on this board that the actors
were allowed to decorate their characters' rooms with one personal
item each, and that Brendan's choice was a Metallica poster.
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Zara
Dedicated Fan
Okay, about the Metallica thing, I did know that BF was a Fan
of
theirs. It's just so in-your-face now how many places it appears in
his apartment. There's always been some, but it seems like every
week there's more.
Come on! Let it be a clue!
Oh, nevermind.
Edited to say: On second thought, maybe the set people are just
letting BF have is decorating way so he won't leave the show! (He's
been complaining so much...)
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Few comments on the episodes from MtGatGSC on, hoping not to repeat
something that's been said.
MtGatGSC
Liked the episode, it's so much into Michael's character, I could
actually see him doing what he did. I also liked how his
relationship with Maria is evolving, considering that it's the only
one that, despite Madam Vivien, was blessed by continuity.
It's also an episode that didn't add much to the storyline, after
Busted that was so overloaded with events.
SO
Liked this episode too. It seems that Iz is finally having her own
story. Very well played her being driven by emotions, expectations
and fears resulting so confusing/hurting to Jesse. This is one of
women's sides that's so difficult for men to understand. Though
she's still the ice princess we all know, I still can't feel the
chemistry a couple who's going to marry should have. Jesse being a
Latino is appropriate and was meant to melt her, and partially he
succeeds in this. Unfortunately she's still too afraid to accept
this part of herself and she's not helped by the other two.
When she asks Max and Michael permission to let Jesse know about her
secret, I didn't believe even for a second what Max said about
having been wrong telling Liz. He's being possessive and selfish as
usual, he wants his sister by his side at his own rules.
S&L
I liked it less than the other two but was glad to see some mistery
back. So we have the second shapeshifter, the bad one! In the first
scene he looked so much like the one in BD. Are we going to have
DuPris of the books?
What I really liked was the scene at the restaurant when Iz broke
the news of marrying Jesse to her parents. The poor parents were so
stunned at the news, as they were still so concerned about Max not
living with them that I couldn't stop laughing.
And our Liz saved the day again showing Max the way even if she
wasn't with him!
I join in hoping a MW occurred with the baby and possibly the Tex. I
would also include "Busted" being all a MW, too many of us have been
driven away from the show because of it.
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nermal
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That bright green necklace has to mean something.
Humans and hybrids together must be important, I guess.
Too bad they don't reveal that the 2nd SS was behind Jeff Parker's
lost love's death, too.
I like it when they tie things together.
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Hi All!
A quick drop by before Trick or Treating!
I truly enjoyed last night. I have only watched it once, but it is
definitely one that needs a second watch!!
Shapeshifter - thanks for all your observations! I will make a note
of watching for your "notes."
Okay - I don't have time to say much, but I have to admit that the
episode started off a bit rocky for me. Then entire conversation
between Max and Liz re: "Search for Spawn" turned my stomach - and I
thought "Oh God, here we go!" BUT luckily, it worked out and was
up-hill from there. YES - got my second shapeshifter, but it will be
a while before I believe he is Tic Tac. But it was obvious that he
had been "watching" Max, or Cal would not have known so much about
Max, or to hire someone to follow him to Utah! I look forward to
learning more about him. I still believe there could be more
Shapeshifters out there since - if you follow my logic - the
Antarians had to be visiting Earth before the crash to collect DNA
samples, etc. PLUS, we know that the government knew of 4 aliens,
two died, one escaped, one captured - but there could have been more
they don't know of. SO - I will still hold to my Tic Tac is out
there and good, and wait to see what Cal turns out to be - though
right now he doesn't seem too friendly! But he did look like the guy
at the end of Blind Date who burned the picture and walked away -
and I hope that was intentional. Questions - What relationship did
Harding have to the new SS? (if any) How long has Cal been watching
the Pod Squad? What is his relationship to the Dupes (remember
them)? What does he know about the Skins (remember them)? Etc. (I
have tons of questions!!)
Okay - I'm finally a bit jazzed about it all, and of course, I love
how Liz put the piece together! Love her interactions with Kyle and
the senior Valentis!! There is SOOSOOO much potential there with
Grampa Valenti - I hope they explore that. I could even tolerate the
Iz storyline (though I wish they had started it off and developed it
better) - enjoying best the announcement scene at the restaurant and
the parents' reaction!
Okay - got to TorT! Happy Halloween!!
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stephsteph, glad to know I'm not the only one who yelled that at the
tv!
Zara, yes, it startled me to learn that I'm now "scary."
nermal, maybe the green necklace is symbolic of Max's green shield?
protecting Liz while he's away?
Zero, maybe the 2 aliens that died were revived by the 2 that
survived (with the healing stones), and one of them is TicTac? If
so, Harding is really good at keeping secrets.
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Yea!
Cool ep.!
I think we're finally getting into something serious with the new
story line. I still think the first three episodes were all about
setting the stage for the season.
Did anyone else catch the line the "agent" said to Max after his
audition, "Well, there's always Buffy" or something like that? That
cracks me up, especially since JB was on Buffy before--and that
episode is titled "Lie to Me." Hmmmm???
Overall, I'm pleased. I'm looking forward to watching it a second
time. Liz is awesome.
shapeshifter, your comment about "baldness" intrigues me. Also,
isn't the actor who plays the 2nd SS the same actor from The Matrix?
Whatshisname? Another connection?
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Hi all
I finally got back on here. I liked this ep. It will get watched
again. Hurrah - We got our second SS Not sure he will be tic-tac
though.
Loved the scene when Is tells her parents about her engagement.
Toooo funny.
I really think they used the first three eps as an extended season
premier. Like everyone else, I didn't get to much out of them. I
certainly didn't rush back to rewatch. Tptb have "a hard row to hoe"
to get the audiance back. They have the potential, let's hope they
use it. But is it just me or does anyone else get the impression
that our actors aren't too with it in these first eps? Even the
scenes with Max and Liz, although it was great to see them together,
I didn't pick up that chemistry thing they had before.
I will return after another watch or two of this ep.
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quote:
Originally
Posted by shapeshifter:
QueenAmidala01 (or Zero, or anyone else), Both Liz on her porch
and Mr. & Mrs. Evans in their kitchen had a lot of lights in red
globes. All of them were worried about Max's safety. Any
connection (symbolic or otherwise) to the Red Star that burned out
when Zan died?
are u talkin about season 3 here cos if u are
then thats way outa my galaxy for now
i watched viva los vegas last night...........i think the married
vision must have occured because future max came into the present
and bringing along his memories must of somehow left a bit of his
future life behing
or what if the vision is a dejavu of past max and liz getting
married
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quote:
Originally
Posted by Zero:
Questions - What relationship did Harding have to the new SS? (if
any) How long has Cal been watching the Pod Squad? What is his
relationship to the Dupes (remember them)? What does he know about
the Skins (remember them)? Etc. (I have tons of questions!!)
In terms of Cal's relationship to the Skins (yep, I remember them
), it probably ties in with my question about the "disintegrating
note". Was that Cal that left the note? And if so, then why did it
disintegrate like a "skin"?
I'm very curious about Cal's knowledge of the Pod Squad and Nacedo -
did he know about Nacedo? Did he KNOW Nacedo? What about his
knowledge of Antar? And the Dupes? It appears he's been simply
living his life as a human for the past x-amount of years.. so, just
how much does he know about anything?
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Steph - I have sooo many questions, but ONE thing we do know is that
Cal was in Roswell in 1959 - at which time he fried the lead actress
of "They are Among Us" over either a sour love triangle or her
gaining too much knowledge. So - what else supposedly happened in
1959??? Well - Atherton published "Among Us" in 1955 - which
arguably the movie was based on (and if so would bring him onto the
set for the movie and into contact with Cal Langley!), AND Atherton
died on 11/16/1959!!! Ummmmm....... ALSO supposedly Harding cut a
deal with Khivar 40 years ago - which IF true would put it around
the same time. ALSO, the first head of the FBI Special Unit was
killed in 1962.
Okay - that is our history lesson - according to Roswell - for
today. I will check back later to see if I need to start a new
thread!
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Interesting, Zero!
So.. my educated guess would lead me to believe that Cal was the one
that killed the first FBI agent in 1962. Was Nacedo ever privy to
that picture of the FBI agent in 1962? Did he ever respond to it?
What really bugs me is did Cal and Atherton ever come in contact?
Was Cal the link to why Mike got the visions of Atherton's home and
"the key"?
If Cal was the 2nd SS and for whatever reasons decided to abandon
the Pod Squad, then why didn't he go back and find them later?
Obviously he's known where Max has been for quite some time. So why
not contact him? Is he evil? I'm leaning towards Zero's theory that
Cal is NOT tic-tac, but instead some other SS.
I've always found Nacedo to be creepy and weird and maybe his
intentions weren't always as cut and dry as we were meant to
believe, but the fact remains that he fits the bill as 1 of the 2
SS's sent here to "protect" the Pod Squad. Heck, he grew his very
own T . But Cal? Well, if Cal is the 2nd SS, a SS just like Nacedo,
then it appears Cal just simply dropped the Pod Squad and went off
to work in Hollywood? Hmm.. just doesn't seem to fit the same bill,
eh? I mean, aren't they "grown to protect" or something like that!?
Sorry - I'm sort of rambling. I certainly hope we get some answers
next week about Cal and that this isn't just another annoying CHAD!
For the first time this season I'm actually anxious to see next
week's eppy!
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STEPH I was thinking the same thing about the 2nd SS maybe being the
protector of the Dupes. If so why did he leave?? Does he still keep
contact?? The Dupes never said where their protector went. I really
hope that they explain that in the storylines coming up. I like the
mystery behind the new SS. Suspense is good!
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Good question - is Cal the Dupes protector? They never really
mentioned anything about their protector. But.. if Cal's it, then he
must have been in Hollywood in 1959 - ??, then to NYC at some point
to meet the Dupes and then back out to Cali!? I dunno. Doesn't seem
to fit, IMHO.
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I really hate FF sometimes. Especially when it double posts my
thoughts.
Anyway..
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