SYMBOL THEORY DISCUSSION

(Nemo answers Palomino)
See also: Palomino's Explanation

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I would like to bump this thread before it falls off, because people on other threads keep raising questions that are discussed here, and I would like to be able to refer them here instead of starting over. But if we are not supposed to just bump without adding something, what can I do? I have it: here is a post by Palomino that I never answered, but on mulling it over with his later posts I partly agree, and would like to say so.


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    Originally posted by Palomino
    About the symbol of dots in the linked boxes, the one on the right a V shape and the one on the left open and another dot: [the figure referred to is on p.3 -- N.] Screen Cap from Balance episode of Roswell courtesty of crashdown.com 1. Just to the left and a little above is the symbol from the orbs that we have seen several places that people are calling the "whirlwind". In the center of that is a triangle, also pointed down like the box on the right. Maybe these downward pointing triangles are a symbol of Max's planet, government, status, or himself? A V is certainly similar. Maybe the symbol is not so much following Liz around as it is Max? Maybe Liz being the chosen mate of the leader would also come under the "V-house" and she is being identified as the chosen one rather than the arranged one? When Liz was using the Library computer, she said that Venus completed the V. Does she complete Max? and the "House of Max"?


[Nemo's] Reply: I think former Liz and Max were leaders of neighboring states or groups that were going to unite (or make peace, or both). (Symbolism of the two sides of the V separate at the top, together at the bottom. Related to the Union Pacific symbols elsewhere [pacific = peaceful].) Yes, Liz completes Max (and also vice versa).

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    Palomino's post, continued [a,b,c added for reference -- N.] 2. (a) The other three boxes with dots could be the other podsters (the cave drawing was done in 1959, so Nasedo could have been drawing what he was planning to work on). (b) The box with the open end could be a younger shapeshifter that was hatched to replace one or more that were killed in the crash, to help with the protection of the podsters, since they were a little shorthanded.... (c) The one outside could be an adult (Nasedo), who was orchestrating the project.


image from the Balance episode My [Nemo's] interpretation of (b) is different (see below) but I now think you are right about (c), and I think that adult who genuinely cares about the podsters and is loyal to AlienMom's cause is TicTac. I believed (a) already, and tried to say so before. I think the boxes with dots represent the future podsters at a stage prior to starting the incubation in the pods. Perhaps at that stage the "essences" (premixed with human genetic material?) are stored in vials, symbolized by those blood-sample tubes with names on them (in BB). [And I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that some of the vials got switched (like those blood samples) -- could that be why River Dog sometimes acts as if he thinks Michael is the leader? But there are problems with that; I don't see how to work it out any better, and it's a whole other topic.]

I think the opened cell represents something like a broken vial, an emergency: the human material in that one becomes unuseable for incubation, and soon the essence too will be lost unless other arrangements can be made in time. I think it is at this juncture that TicTac works out some kind of desperate deal with Claudia, whose outcome is that eventually Liz gets the essence.

(No, this does not make Liz an alien, and she doesn't have podster powers, nor was she ever in a pod. Only symbolically is she among the podsters as they emerge from Atherton's basement. But I think it does make her the person Max has been looking for, and it may partly explain her ability to pick up visions more than other humans.) (Also, I am not implying any sexual connections involving Claudia here; that doesn't seem like a way to transfer an existing "essence" unaltered; instead, if it worked at all, it would create a new combination, right? Besides, so far it hasn't been suggested that TicTac is even related to any of the podsters, has it?)

This seems to give a double meaning to Alex's words to Liz in the band room, checking whether Liz is OK (while standing next to that fire extinguisher, symbolic of the emergency mentioned above.) It also adds irony to Liz's retort to Isabel, "Yeah, well, at least my parents know what species I am." I think that's technically correct, Liz, but oh, the things you don't know yet....

Also, Palomino, wasn't it you who proposed a second interpretation of the V made by the stones in the cave wall and their places on the drawing? That besides being a map it's also partly a history? I think that's right too. It looks like an update to the Momogram, explaining the improvised response to the emergency, besides warning that two parties with opposing intent (two sides of the V) are converging on the podsters.
[Edited by Nemo on 09-06-2000 at 10:24 PM]



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09-10-2000 09:11 PM
Palomino
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    Originally posted by Nemo : Also, Palomino, wasn't it you who proposed a second interpretation of the V made by the stones in the cave wall and their places on the drawing? That besides being a map it's also partly a history? I think that's right too. It looks like an update to the Momogram, explaining the improvised response to the emergency, besides warning that two parties with opposing intent (two sides of the V) are converging on the podsters.

Nemo : Yes, and yes. I had thought the V was the two sides (SSer and Evil Aliens)as they converged at the podsters. Of the five stones Michael placed in the cave drawing, the one at the bottom of the V was on the symbol of the pod chamber rock formation, thus representing the podsters. The one at the top of the left side of the V was on the whirlwind symbol, which seems to be a good symbol always seen in blue light and apparently representing Max's people. The stone at the top of the right side was on the Saturn-looking symbol which I had thought was representing the Evil Aliens (yellow/gold light). With the new promo out for the second season, I am even more sure, because once again the Saturn is in yellow/gold and is in a menasing sequence with other images. BTW, the middle stone on the left side (Max's people), is on the symbol of the string of cells we think represent the podsters during incubation. More specifically, I believe it is on the one adult dot - a representative of Max's people to carry out the plan. I know this may sound confusing, but for those that are interested, try drawing the V with the stones in place over each symbol, and you will see what I mean. The only stone that is still in question, in my mind, is the middle one on the right (E.A.)side, because I'm not sure what the symbol is of. The drawing of the symbol is rather intricate and has changed on the program. It looks like it might be a solar system (where the E.A. are from, or where they are lurking in ours?) Sorry to ramble. I just thought it was interesting.

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