LIZ THEORIES

Timing: Many have wondered if the "bad" aliens might also be from the podsquad's planet, just part of a civil war - therefore, having similar characteristics and powers to Harding's type of alien. Many of us think that the podsquad's people had to have visited Earth before - maybe many times! Could the pods have been planted on Earth at a time separate from the 1947 crash, maybe later on? Could other pods have been planted at other times? Could there be more than one set of podsters that will show up later? Clones? And could some of these earlier visits have some connection to Grandma C or someone else in Liz's family? Was the '47 crash caused by the bad aliens, or another ship of the "good" aliens? How long have the bad and good aliens been visiting or aware of Earth? And what have they been up to on these visits?


Posted by clarinetkate 9-29-00 So, this is the bizarre theory I had in relation to Liz and the Liz theories in light of the idea of time travel... you know how everyone (ok, so not everyone, more like, um Liz lovers) always said that the guys who shot Liz didn't just like accidently shoot her, they said, We have to get rid of her, and then shot her? It had been proposed that they were aliens out to kill her so that Max would be with Tess. But that never made sense to me cause unless they could see into Max's mind, how would they know he was "in love with" Liz. But, what if these guys were from the future and they knew that Max would fall in love with Liz and marry her and not follow his destiny and what not, so they attempted to prevent this from happening by journeying back in time to kill her. So this whole time we are watching a new version of history, a completely altered one. Perhaps in the real history Max and Liz fell in love like a normal way and what not and their connection is so deep because they have that sort of past life thing going on to, only it's more like a precognition of a life that was to be but has been irrevocably erased. Thus, he HAS formed a connection with Liz based on this once existing life that through his alieness he is somehow taping in to? and thus can never form a connection with Tess even though she is from a past life, because liz is from another CURRENT life.

If that is the case, I wonder what role Tess played in Max's real unaltered present day life...did she and Harding never track Max down because he never became the suspect of an FBI investigation (which further points to the fact that this shooting was engineered by the aliens, because having already witnessed Max's life they know he loves liz and will thus save her which they realize will inevitably put him in the spotlight of the fbi, thus attracting Harding's attention.). Anyway, that was my theory, and I just wanted to share it with you guys before I go run over to the UC board. Hi Melody ; ) --KATE

Posted by redhawk 9-29-00: I find the time-travel theory very interesting. Or how about if the guys from the future who shot Liz thought that by shooting her, she would die and not be able to follow her real destiny with Max by her side as a leader of the human race. Although this assumes they thought Max wouldn't save her. Hmm... have to give this more thought.

Posted by shaiwon72 9-29-00: interesting point of view about time travel. but if they were aliens why wouldn't they have just attempted to kill liz when she was a lot younger. not that i approve of this but... if ultimately the goal was to kill liz, they could have abducted her when she was little and do away (that's a horrible thing to say). i mean, if you look at past movies like terminator 1.. they were sent into the past to wipe out the unborn child, john connor, to be the leader. i just wonder if there were such attempts for this. prior to the crashdown shooting. why would it be that day when liz is a teen and working at the crashdown w/ max in the cafe to save her? if that was the plan to kill liz, they did a very poor job of calculating the shooting. ~~em

Posted by Evid 9-29-00: shaiwon72: I don't think Liz was much of a threat until she came of age, or was it because they new Max could no longer keep his need for her under control(SH). We still are not sure why and how Liz is changing? But she is changing no doubt about that. Maybe the evil aliens couldn't track her down until she showed some signs that she truly was "THE ONE."

Posted by Dareka 9-29-00: Maybe when Liz was little she was too small to cause a threat, but once she reached the age of sixteen, the evil aliens decided she needed to be terminated. By why wait until sixteen when she would be an easier kill at a younger age? Maybe they didn't know who she was until they saw that she had a striking resemblance to Sheila Hubble and figured things out from there. Or maybe Hubble himself saw the resemblance first and the evil aliens found out by monitering him the connection. I just don't see time travel a part of the show. Like shaiwon72 said, it's all too similar to the Terminator movies. Even Nasedo, whos job is to 'keep them alive' is also a parallel to the Terminator movies.

Posted by clarinetkate 9-29-00: My theory has sort of two components to it (being that it's a theory, there are two possibilities or something...). One says that they wanted to eliminate Liz to avoid Max's connection with her. But the other posits that perhaps in the real unaltered present, Tess never meets up with Max because he never does anything to draw attention to himself, therefore Nasedo can't track him down. If this is true, then the purpose of the shooting wouldn't necessarily be to kill Liz, but to put her in!a compromising situation where Max would be forced to save her, thus setting the wheels in motion for his introduction to Tess.

Thus, it wouldn't make sense to eliminate Liz as a child. They would have to wait for a time when hormones (Max's) are high and whatnot so that he actually would save her. Third grade Max may not have been so ready and willing to save her, also he might not have known how to use his powers. They had to be sure he would actually publicly use his powers, hence they waited for Liz to mature into a beautiful young woman that Max couldn't help but be drawn to (did I just say that??).

Of course, if the whole point was to simply kill Liz, that wouldn't work, but if you factor in Tess, the non-killing makes more sense, they just didn't account for the extra connection (on top of the other connection they already share from the real unaltered present) the healing would have, making Liz's and Max's souls and lives irrevocably intertwined. (Oh my god, I need to leave now!) --KATE, who is starting to scare

Posted by Melodious1: 9-29-00: That's a good point EM. In defense of Kate's theory... It's been speculated that there could possibly be *other* aliens surrounding/watching Liz; possibly protecting her (although most speculations are of the contrary). Hypothetically speaking, let's say these possible *other* aliens were protecting Liz. They'd have kept a particularly close eye on her when she was younger (at a time she's mostly defenseless). With the tight security around a young Liz, these "time travelling evil aliens" wouldn't have been able to make a move. However, when Max became a more 'frequent' staple in her life (Max's constant staring at Liz, hence, also unknowingly protecting her in a way); the security loosened a bit? These "baddies" took advantage and tried to do away with Liz that day in the CD. Max (bound by Liz, thru Kate's theory of a parallel, alternate life AND maybe a past life as well) HAD TO heal Liz because he was already irreversibly connected to her, fate wouldn't have allowed him to continue w/out her (yes, I'm a dreamer, sue me!).

The protectors could have even known this, hence had no worries letting the "time travelling baddies" do whatever they felt they needed to do, the protectors knew Max wouldn't let Liz die (despite endangering his own identity and that of his fellow podsters). These Liz protectors remain completely covert. Still making small steps to protect Liz, but not make themselves known (in fear of endangering themselves and possibly Liz's true identity/importance?). Melodious

Posted by Melodious 9-29-00: This kind of opens another can of worms for me Kate. Inc. your idea above, what if the plan to "put Max in a compromising situation" was not only a means for his introduction to Tess, but was also timed at the moment Tess would be *ready* to meet her husband?

I'm inclined to believe that Tess was separated from M/Mi/I purposefully; to be raised a very specific way (something Harding never reveals to Tess). This kind of jumps on the speculation train, but I've often pondered the situation in the past lives, particularly Tess' part in them. What if it's because of something Tess did (or didn't do) the former lives ended as they did? Granted, I'm probably a tad biased with that opinion considering my general disdain for Tess. Bear with me.

In order to keep whatever this was from reoccuring, the Podians made *extra* sure in this lifetime that the *leader's chosen mate* (Tess) would (almost w/out a doubt) be able to fulfill the role they believe she needs to fulfill. Hence, these *time travellers* waited for the moment Tess would be ready and then put their plan into action - allowing Max to be found by Harding.

Posted by Zero 9-29-00: There are some excellent theories rolling around this Thread! The time-travel ideas and off-shoots are very interesting - especially how they tie in Tess! I don't know that I buy into time-travel for Roswell, but it's a great theory!

Posted by HyperKitN 9-30-00 I know that on one of the past threads time travel was mentioned before and briefly discussed. It is kinda nice to talk about it again now that the season is sooo close. My take on the situation, if it is true, would be that maybe since we know that GC plays an important part w/liz & the mythology, she had been throwing obsticles in the way as to protect Liz. But something happened that made Liz a threat to the evil aliens again so came back to get rid of her. Max saves her and starts the whole cycle all over again. Maybe the podsters parishing in the future was what gave the aliens the idea the recreate their leaders as part human and send them back, so this time they would fit in better on Earth and fulfill the job that was required of them.

Posted by Starstruck 9-30-00: I find the idea of time travel intriguing and am not ruling it out. What makes me consider this is, if the mom-o-gram is real and our podsters were placed in the pod chamber at crashtime that means 50+ years have passed. Our group now has to consider with this message being this old is there even still anything left to fight for or to go back to. Plus the mom-o-gram says "so that I may once again hold you in my arms". This brings up so many questions- does the alien race age sifferently than the human race ensuringthat mom would still be around, is the alien planet one on which the human body could thrive? Time travel could at least answer the mom question, they'd just have to be careful not to go back to soon,so they wouldn't run into their former selves. OK now I'm just confusing myself.

Posted by Roswellrox 9-30-00: . I was rolling the whole time-travelling-alien thought around in my mind, and it occured to me that the "she" that the two gunmen were talking about could have been TESS! I mean think about it...What if the future they were from was one in which Max went along with the Momogram's destiny and married T***again in this life? What if those guys had seen in their own time what kind of destruction that T*** was going to cause? What if they somehow found out about the attraction that Max had to LIZ when they were young, and thought that if they got Max to act on those emotions before he met T*** then he wouldn't chose T***. Therefore the reason to shoot Liz (making it look like an accident/argument). Maybe the reason the of the gunmen said, "We've got to get rid of her!" was because the other one was having second thoughts about the plan to shoot Liz, but "her" was Liz...

I meant to say "but 'her' was T***" at the end there... sorry... I'm going now. for real this time

Posted by Evid 10-1-00: In the books they dicuss a wormhole, it's a tear in a blackhole, if memory serves me correctly. Liz calls it a shortcut threw space and it's some kind of tunnel. I know the show may not follow the books but they do have a few similaritys. What I notice on 285 south, Riverdog, ID, M2M and Destiny. Maybe some I might have missed, HELP GRACEKEL, they show tunnels. On 285 south, Michael drops threw a tunnel in the museum. Riverdog, Liz finds the passage to escape, that is a tunnel. ID, Micheal sits outside a tunnel waiting for a ride. M2M, the pod squad drives threw a tunnel, in search of Liz, this looks like the same tunnel as in ID. Destiny, Max and Liz walk threw a drainage system, trying to escape, again this resembles a tunnel. Not to mention the tunnel in Liz's visions when she kisses Nasedo.

Nasedo tells Micheal, you are programmed to be several thousand years ahead of mankind and also Nasedo and Tess both say more then once, timing is everything. So what do you think? Is the pod squad from several thousand years into the future? Does coming threw a wormhole require perfect timing, and did Max make the trip to find Liz? Let me know what you think. Evid

Posted by HyperKitN 10-1-00 Evid- I remember about the wormholes in the books, thanx for bring that up. It makes possible sense because the scene that Liz sees when she kisses Maxcedo is of something similar to a wormwhole w/lightening(SP). And all the tunnels in the show make sense and fortelling to me. They always seem to do this on this show. Remember the alien holding the baby in the background of the crashdown, then we see Isabel dreaming about having an alien baby.