THEORIES OF 2 SHAPESHIFTERS



Discussion of 2 Shapeshifters from FanForum Roswell Thread

see also: The SciFi of Blind Date, The Theory of 2 Shapeshifters, Nasedo As An Evil/Enemy Alien, Doc Paul's Psychological Analysis of Nasedo, the Post-Season 3 Theory, and search the Archives.

   

LSS asked on SciFi of ID 8-7-00:

1) Is the tic-tac shapeshifter the same figure that we will later encounter as Mr. Harding? While Harding makes the same movements preparatory to shapeshifting (hand held out in front), he does not routinely need those pills/tictacs to shapeshift.

2) Are we to understand the objects that he ingests as pain killers or energy replacements? While we have discussed this previously, we have yet to get confirmation in our storyline as to their purpose.

3) What of those inhuman sounds reported coming from the trailer? It is one thing to kill to protect Michael. It is quite another to torture one's victim. Whereas the former can be understood as necessary-perhaps even noble, it is much harder to explain the latter. One cannot help but think of poor Max in The White Room. Is it possible that Hank has information that the alien needs? Or should we think of an alien sadist here?

   


Palomino answers:


Physically, Harding and Tic-tac shapeshift differently (unless the special effects were changed mid-season). Harding gets very bright and seems to blend from one face to another, and gives off a yellowish light. Tic-tac's gives off a bluish light and his features seem to "bleed" from one face to the next.

Killing is done rather quickly and unemotionally by Harding. In ID, we hear that Hank was apparently tortured before he was killed, because "ear witnesses" from the trailor park tell the sheriff about the horrible sounds. It does not seem in keeping with Harding's personality. Harding didn't show any concern for how the podsters felt, and didn't mind if they were scared or upset by what he did. Tic-tac, in his brief appearances, seemed to show a great deal of concern and caring for the podsters, and it is more believable for him to torture the abusive foster father. In this episode Tic-tac risked being caught to exact his revenge, and even stayed around to pose as Hank infront of the sheriff to explain the disappearance.

Harding is quick and jerky in his movements, but Tic-tac is deliberate and smooth in his movements. Harding seems to put people on edge and makes them nervous, while Tic-tac has a calming, soothing effect.

...And then, of course, the other difference is the tic-tacs - that we never see Harding popping.

I find Harding entertaining, but not trustworthy or of good judgement. Although I think Tic-tac is a little scarey at times, he has a very fatherly side, and uses better judgement. I actually like the Tic-tac character.

I hope they actually carry through with making them separate characters, and the differences were not just results of poor writers' continuity.





JenLev
but i'm leaning towards the two shapeshifter end of the spectrum at this point...it might explain a lot of the inconsistancies that ocurred as the season progressed? and pierce in the white room doesn't seem very clear regarding the eventual fate of the alien they studied for 3 years?






rocklowery
Tictac also does a better job of covering his tracks, i.e. posing as Hank. He does slip up though with the Dr. but that is understandable since he didn't know there would be a fire at the institute that would kill Topolsky. He definately has a stronger connection to the podsquad than Harding, as was indicated by the photo of all three of them that he burned in that symbol.





palomino
Harding seems to be Nasedo, but he is also the most neurotic. It makes me wonder if he was the one held in captivity. Tic-tac is the more functional of the two - emotionally as well. I hope Michael-lovers don't hate me for this, but don't these two contrasting characters remind you of Michael and Max?






karst
Tic-Tac seems to need more effort to shift. At the end of ID, he seemed staggered and sweaty after the shift. The difference in shifting style seems to show more effort - Harding shifts faster, and seems almost energized by it (the look on "Pierce's" face at the end of Destiny).





kim648
There are a lot of good things you pointed out as differences. I'm also sure they don't change their attitude with each character they shapeshift into, since they seem to act physically the same. I was thinking that maybe they're two different types of aliens. The fact that Tictac is constantly is poping the pills and Harding never needs them is interesting.
(....)
I think that it is very likely that Harding was the one tortured and not Tictac. Harding is the one with the psycological problems and he does a quite a hate for Pierce. Tictac is much more normal and more likely to be Nasedo. Nasedo is nice to humans, like Tictac(seeing Liz in SH). It is possible Tictac is able to kill Atherton if he threatened Tictac, since he did kill Hank..who threatened Michael. It could have also been Harding, also, to screw up his life, but I think Harding had been somewhere else for a while before he came recently.






lorrilei1960
I do think there are two Nasedo's. However, my theory about the tictacs that Tictac pops is a little more... boring. I think it may just be a habit he aquired...like smoking or chewing gum. He was really pooped before he shapeshifted into Herder Man because he had just buried a guy in record time. Maybe the tictacs relax him... like a good smoke after...well, never mind.





8/8/00
jenlev
the nasedo/tic-tac issue seems like the 'hide the pea in a cup game'... just when you think you know where (who/which) it is...it turns out to be somewhere (someone) different.






elizabeth in Texas
I think Tic-Tac is the better of the shapeshifters...he seems almost fatherly as the rancher at the end of SH when he tells Liz and Max to get on home. And I also think that he was the one who left the message in the Frazier Woods in ITTW.





naiveyetchubby
The alien at the end of Blind Date is "Tic-tac", and was *possibly* Doug, Liz's dream guy. I don't think there was anything sinister about him burning the picture of the Pod Squad at the end of the ep ... Anyway, I think that same alien was the one who left the signal for them in the woods, and was the one who helped them find the orb in Sexual Healing. I did think that the shapeshifter in Crazy was the same as in the previous episodes, but now that I think about it, his inadvertantly or intentionally doing away with Topolsky doesn't fit with the way he was, IMO. The shapeshifter in the previous eps, I think realizes that some humans can be trusted and I think he would find Topolsky at least an ally if not a totally helpful individual in the state she was in.






tanchel
Now that I understand, I agree completely: this is *not* the same alien as Nasedo. The shapeshifting characteristics are too different, the timing is off somehow (if this were our Nasedo, where's Tess? I always thought those two were basically inseparable.).





palomino
ORIGINALLY POSTED BY SHAPESHIFTER:
Originally posted by Palomino
...Tic-tac ... gentle, calming ways (when not killing). Harding ... quirkiness and unpredictability.

Definitely two people (or two writers)...


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